Do things like this happen because of the Anti Mormon dogma that is spread
around? Don't tell me it isn't preached, because I have heard it for myself
years ago. Of course, the shooter has a mental illness, something a family has
to say to make things look better than they are. May Heavenly Father bless
this Bishops family, his wife and children, his flock, and the community. May
they find peace through the Gospel.
What more can we say but what great sorrow and grief all should feel at such
violence. May the certainty of eternity ease the pain. :-(
my prayers are with the family as well as the ward.
@ppoe:When a shooter is mentally ill, the motive for the shooting
isn't necessarily based on anything "real" or understandable by the average
person. I wouldn't go looking for any general antagonism at this point. Let's
just focus on the terrible loss suffered by the bishop's family and friends.
How sad for everyone involved. Our prayers go out to all the families and
everyone that knew the bishop and the shooter. Sometimes there is no rhyme nor
reason, this may be one of those times.
Pray for the family of the shooter too.They are in misery also.
Holy cow, is no place on earth safe? Just a couple months ago I was sitting in
our Church lobby and a lady, evidently a member of another faith or long-time
inactive Mormon, came in looking for a Bishop for the street she lived on. I
showed her to the other ward's offices and left without another thought. I
can't imagine a world where that lady turns around and shoots someone.I guess that world exists in California. Do we have to put bars and metal
detectors on our doors now?
We are truly living in the last days, my prayers go out the bishop's family.
How terribly, terribly sad.I'm curious to know why this man was so
angry at the Church.Mental illness may shed some light on the
situation but what was it that planted his seed of anger towards the Church over
20 years ago?My thoughts and prayers are with Bishop Sannar's family
and the shooter's, too.
An online fund has been set up by Connor Boyack. Google his name and it will
take you to the site.
That Bishop's Eternal Life is now secure, as his life was taken while in the
Service of the Lord, AND HE WILL NOT FORGET THAT! The family needs to remember
that, and it needs to know that, and be at peace with that fact! The Gospel is
true my friends, it is, and nothing can and will change that fact!
A while back, I asked the greeters in my ward what they'd do if somebody came
into the chapel with a gun. They responded only with a deer-in-the-headlights
look. It seems nobody in the ward (possibly the Church in general) has thought
about security other than locking the doors at night.
My heart goes out to the bride of this man and his six children. It sounds like
he was gunned down in the prime of life. I hope extended family and the
community will rally around his family and help them financially and otherwise.
Perhaps some good men can become father figures for these six boys. This type of murder is highly unusual and I think an LDS meetinghouse (or any
house of worship) is still one of the safest places one can be. I hope we will
keep that in mind and not allow fear to paralyze our thinking. With 24/7 cable
media it seems like somebody's getting shot everyday, but the world is
relatively safe compared to even a generation ago. Of course, as LDS in Utah
this story strikes a particular chord, but all things considered it’s a
rarity. My prayers go out to this family and congregation.
Excommunication is an interesting philosophy. The circumstances and objectives
are well defined in the Handbook of Instructions, but there is HUGE variance in
how they are applied from stake to stake, and especially between male and female
members. Prejudice is not absent in its application. This may have nothing to
do with the case in hand, but it is time to reflect on the emotional trauma that
can accompany such action. I wonder if anyone has reached out to this man in the
last 25 years?
In the early 90's I did an internship for BYU and Deseret Farms in Elberta,
Utah. The other internship was given to a young man named Clay Sannar. Every
weekday morning for 3 or 4 months we drove from Provo to Elberta completed our
assignments and then drove back in the evening. During those hours
of driving, conversing, and working, I learned that Clay Sannar was a truly
talented and intelligent man and that he came from a great family. My thoughts
and prayers go out to his young family at this tragic time.
@Chad S:Please don't be so ignorant. That world exists every where
not just in California. Remember the LDS Family History Library Shooting of the
1980's? Please don't make generalizations. This is a tragedy that could have
happened any where in any church. Unfortunately for this man and his family it
happened in a LDS Church in California.
Heavenly Father will comfort and give solace to this Bishop's family. My heart
hurts for the Bishops wife and children. However, Heavenly Fathers' eternal
promise is there for the family. I pray that Our Lord Jesus Christ wraps this
family in his love and compassion. I pray for the shooter as well. Mental
illness is a destructive disease that has ended live's here too soon. Blessings
Why is this not on National News??????
I can't believe how sad I feel about this. It is horrific. My prayers are with
the family and ward. How would you ever get over something like this? What about
those little boys learning what happened to their Dad?
It really doesn't matter how or why this happened. What matters is that two
people are dead. One goes to paradise and the other to spirit prison. One is
assured of eternal life, probably, and the other depends entirely on the Lord
for forgiveness. As has been mentioned life is fleeting. We need to understand
that we are in the last days before the Savior of the World returns in his
glory. Lets show love and compassion to both of the families involved to
include the Ward family. The Church has lost a good man that still had much
ahead of him. The other beset by an illness that is hard to explain. Remember
we are asked to forgive everyone not just those whom we choose. The Lord will
forgive who he wants to forgive. Lets all show our Christian faith in times of
WORD OF WARNING: It is always a good policy to double-check any website that
solicits donations in the wake of a tragedy like this. There are unscrupulous
persons out there who take advantage of the sympathy of good people. Always
verify before donating.Deepest sympathy to the families of both
victims--since, if this man was indeed mentally unstable to the point of not
being responsible for his actions, then he should also be considered a victim.
@cboyack on twitter is an honorable person, follow him there for donations and
info. And of course double check but you can find out more info there as well,
he has been giving moment by moment details all day.
Someone asked people what they would do and he said that they responded like
deers in the headlights. I think that each clergy leader in any congregation
needs to have plans in tact. If we had a tornado here, there is a plan as to
what to do, acts of violence are a disaster also and there needs to be plans as
to what to do. I hope and pray that this ward and family will find
comfort and peace in this tragic loss.
This was on national news: FOX News.It is appropriate to take
comfort in the fact that the bishop was a good man and was in the very act of
serving God, and therefore make an assumption that he is gone to a good
place.It is not appropriate to judge a man who is mentally ill and
make an assumption that he is gone to a bad place. God will do the judging . .
. based on His knowledge of all things. We should all help to bear the heavy
burden borne by both families.
I'm a bishop in San Diego. During our Sacrament meeting yesterday, I couldn't
stop thinking about how I would respond if a guy-wielding guy entered our
services and started looking for a leader. For 30 minutes I thought about the
actions I would take to protect the members, and, quit frankly, it disrupted my
ability to bask in the spirit and message of the speaker. After returning home a
few hours later, my heart sunk as I heard the news of that good bishop losing
his life to a gunman in his building. What a strange coincidence! With strangers
being directed to bishops often, I'm sad to think that they will all now be on
guard and cautious.Let's pray for that good bishops family.
I am so moved by the compassion and concern expressed here by so many. I, too,
hope for peace and understanding and comfort for ALL the families and friends
involved in this terrible event. We can't understand why things happen the way
they do sometimes but we have all known the pain of losing a loved one so we can
offer kind words and prays of hope.
Neither Brother Smith, or myself, care for this situation, not one little bit.
Much like a criminal targets a police officer for his or her position or
representation rather than the person. Bishop Sunnar was doing what he was
called to do and serving others. I'm sure God will bless his family and his 6
sons and the congregation; the missionary efforts in the area will bear more
fruit; the church will become better known; and the citizens will look towards
service and better relationships with those they are in contact with.
Mis sentimientos de amor y dolor para ambas familias.Que bendicin tener el
evangelio con nosotros y hombres dedicados trabajando al lado del Seor.
I work for CNN, and this news event appeared on CNN as well.
LDS in Arizona also send our love to our brothers and sisters in Visalia. We
cannot know the" why "of it all as it is sometimes just unbelievable when such a
thing happens - especially in a meetinghouse. This is when our Faith is called
into action to just believe that Bishop Sannars family will receive strength and
many blessings as they forge on. We grieve for their loss and for the pain
endured by the Bishops ward family, as well. Many blessings to you all.
Churches and schools need to tighten security. All these senseless acts of
violence can possibly be prevented.
@Tom Smith: I don't believe excommunication was mentioned in any of the articles
I have seen. One article said Mr. Ward withdrew his membership in 2004.
WORD OF WARNING: Always double-check the authenticity of websites soliciting
donations to the family in the aftermath of tragedies like this. There are
unscrupulous people out there who try to take advantage of people's generosity
@Chachi: I don't always agree with Connor Boyack's political views, but I will
vouch for his integrity and commend him for setting up the fundraiser for the
Sannar family. I understand he has received donations over $17,000 since
yesterday and that he will be donating 100% of it to the family.
We are "all" children of God. Yes, it's very difficult to turn the other cheek
when something so horrific happens such as this. I doesn't really matter what
the religion is that has this fall on their shoulders...we 'all' hurt in the
same way...we 'all' bleed in the same manner. Nevertheless, each of us have our
own way of dealing with tragedies, no matter how they happen. Some cry (most of
us), some pray (hopefully, 'all' of us), and some are angry. I think the Lord
realizes that "all" the above reactions are fairly normal and STILL takes each
of us under His wing. We are here to do the 'worst' and the 'best' we can to
determine 'where' we will be in the hereafter. Pray that 'some' who would
do their 'worst' might, somehow, now learn to reach out for help to 'change'
their ways in the direction of right. He has given us the right to
choose...please let it be for the good...it's called CTR!
1988? The San Diego bishop is not the only person to see or witness some irony.
A 'Kennth James Ward' was shot and killed by Artie Ray Baker at the Lynden,
Washington border crossing 30 years ago.1988? So regardless of how long ago this
man was offended an innocent man is dead leaving a beautiful family without a
father. Though I have left the church I have not been excommunicated, but two of
my sons have refused me the right to see my grandchildren and no help comes from
the church. No wonder people flip.
Let us not forget the incident at the Marriott Center a few years back with
Pres. Hunter who pretty much froze until security took the perp down.Whatever happened, did he get jail time?
This is such a heinous crime. And how does a mentally ill man get ahold of a gun
so easily? Shouldn't his grandfather have it locked up? I couldn't sleep last
night thinking of a young widow and six children, some of whom will never know
their father. My heart goes out to the family and the congregation which will
never be the same again. Sure, the early history of the Church had awful things
happen like this. It's not commonplace now and I'm so terribly sorry it's
happened to an innocent good man called as bishop. I've donated on the Connor
God bless this family!
A tragedy, to be sure. Let us make sure it does not perpetuate more
Tom Smith, I think it is sick to use this trajic death to advance you
hate of the LDS Church. You even admit "This may have nothing to do with the
case at hand".It appears from the article this man was not
excommunicated, and that he was still on the records of the Church. The process involved in excommunication is one of the most fair and balanced
ones in existence.
Chachi's comments are good advice. Boyack's fund may or may not be legit, I
have never heard of the guy before and I have not investiagted the fund.However Chachi's advice is good in general. Do not let the rush to help
lead to your sending money to scam artists.
Our prayers are with both families. I would personally like to know where and
to whom we can donate money to assist in supporting Bishop Sannar's wife and
children. I have heard references to a website but, sadly, it is hard to trust
such sites these days. Is there a more secure and direct route to ensure the
family gets the money? I would place faith in the Ward Clerk or the Bishop's
Counselors. Can anyone provide information to assist?
Evil abounds today, and NO place,house of worship or elsewhere is safe from the
predations of evil and it's disciples.It's not "just California" (which
was a stupid attitude and terribly naive), there are many many incidents (at LDS
buildings)that occur around the US and in Canada weekly that aren't as bad as
this was, and never make the news at all.To assume "you are safe" in any
LDS building, is foolish, houses of worship of any faith, are now being targeted
intentionally by disciples of evil and those who are mentally ill. Didn't used
to be that way, but things have changed a LONG time ago.It's tie to wake
up and face reality, it could indeed happen here in Utah to anyone in any house
of worship at any time. And therein is the tragedy.
I wonder if this guy realized what he had done and wanted out of this world,
after he shot the bishop, but could not do the job himself. He was mentally ill
so it is hard to say. However, you have to wonder since he is the one who
called the police and then shot at them when they arrived. You have to wonder
if he wanted the police to kill him.My sincere condolences to the
friends and family of both the bishop and the gunman. Too often we forget about
the pain and suffering of the family and friends of those who commit such
crimes. I think I would rather loose a loved one in the same manner as this
bishops family and friends than have them die after comitting such an act. At
least the bishops family can take comfort in him being in a better place and
having given his life in the service of others. What does the gunman's family
have other than a complete loss and the wasted life of a loved one? Both are
very tragic circumstances.
It is good to see that some of you understand the frustration that might come
from being excommunicated. A church that dispels "sinners", instead of bringing
them into the fold can have those who increase their hatred for those who dispel
them and those who failed to help when they could.Religion for
centuries have become the haven for the righteous. Luckily only God will sit in
To Chickenchaser: I am sad about the events in your life, but what does this
story have to do with your grandchildren? I hope you find peace.I lived in
Visalia and was in Bishop Sannar's stake. I am so so sad.
I pray for everyone involved. This will be a difficult time for them.
Pro Education 4:28 p.m.: "A church that dispels "sinners", instead of bringing
them into the fold...."OTOH, many of us know folks who were
excommunicated but valued teir testimony and the blessings of the gospel enough
to get their lives in order and return. Excommunication is not
"punishment." All sins require repentance of different degrees, including
recognizing, confessing, doing everything possible to restore the loss or harm
we caused, and changing our ways. For some sins, there is no way to "restore,"
and excommunication may be the ultimate form of repentance. It may also be
necessary to protect others from apostates, corrupt people, or predators of any
kind.Some of the most memorable testimonies I remember were from
people who were excommunicated, spent years fixing their lives with the help of
caring bishops, maybe like Bishop Sannar, and regained their Church membership
and temple blessings. I hope and pray that I never have to go through that. But
hearing their experiences told me that even when we sin, God and His appointed
servants love us and will do all they can to bring us back into the fold.
@Pro Ed: Again Mr Ward was not excommunicated but in 2004 asked to have his
membership removed. It is sad that you use this instance to bring your hate into
this tragic act. I hope you are proud of yourself..
I wrote a comment on one story's comment section last night and spent a lot of
time on it, AND it didn't get through?? Wonder Why? It is Really
Really sad what happened to Bishop Sannar. God Bless his wife and family. Joseph Smith knew somewhat in advance what was going to happen as 1844
marched along. He is recorded as saying, "I'm going like a lamb to the
slaughter". Jesus, Himself, knew what was coming as His time on
Earth was nearing its end. Bishop Sannar had no idea that going to
Church last Sunday was going to be his last day here on Earth.He died as a
Good Bishop. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time as someone who was
full of Terrible Negative energy did the Incomprehensible Evil. He was just
doing his job as Bishop and doing it on the Sabbath Day. He will be in Good
Company in the next world, but his poor wife and family Now have to Pick Up the
Pieces Today.I encourage ALL to pray for them (I have) and Help in
any way possible. Bishop Sannar Died as a Martyr...
If anyone wants to know a legitimate way to donate to Bishop Sannar's family, I
would suggest contacting the local newspaper in Visalia. I am quite sure
someone locally has set up a fund for this family that is legitimate. The
newspaper should have this information and if not, they will probably know who
to contact.I know times are tough, but I got to figuring it out in
my head last night. If every household that is active LDS between UT, ID, CA,
NV, OR and WA, this mother would be able to comfortably raise her boys and also
get them the professional help they might need in order to start the healing
process. I know I plan on doing it. Just a suggestion.
@Democrat, Your comments were lovely. Your hopes will definitely be
fulfilled. I've watched our LDS communities rally in mind boggling ways. We
had a family loose their home to fire at 2am. By 7pm the next day, the family
had a home with 6 months rent, 100% furnished with washer dryer, fridge, beds,
computers, clothes, and on and on and on! I interviewed the family for a local
article. Through tears of gratitude, the mom stated that their checkbook had
not burned and she was ab
boiseblue | 6:22 p.m. Aug. 30, 2010 Why is this not on National
News??????I don't know about national news but it was in the
international news. I first knew of this tragedy because I have DN emailed to
me and it came as a breaking news announcment. Then it was in our national news
here in Australia.Our prayers are with both families.
To: SLMG,This story was on the CBS Radio news hourly report on
Sunday night. It was a short story, but did saythat a "Mormon Official"
was shot and killed in Church and that the police found the suspect after the
suspect had called and that the police shot and killed the suspect after the
suspect had fired at them. That's where I heard the story first.
Saw more on the Fresno Bee website and the Deseret News website.This
truly is a very Sad story. Why someone had to take the life of another who was
not even an acquaintance. The Bishop to the suspect only represented a
"Position" in the LDS Church. This person obviously had a serious "beef" with
the Church and took it out on someone who really had nothing to do with
the "beef". Why when peopleleave the Church for whatever reason, AND they
keep on obsessing on their "beefs" is beyond normal reasoning, but then a person
out of touch with any form reasoning is like a stick of dynamite already lit
waiting to go off. And that's what apparently happened.Let Us All
Pray and Help the family.
All I asked was if there was a safe way to donate money to the care of the
family and DN blocked my comment. How does that violate any of their rules?
We are LDS and would like to make a donation for the future care of the wife and
family. Is there anyone who could direct us in the right direction?