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Mike Sorensen: BYU's quest overshadows sports news

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  • coug_grad
    Aug. 30, 2010 1:00 a.m.

    Monday morning: Tom needs announce BYU is leaving MWC with no other comment.
    Then call CT and KB and organize a new conference with two divisions (MWAC) Mountain West Athletic Conference
    Western Athletic and Mountain West.
    Western Athletic-BYU,USU,BSU,FSU,NM,NMSU,SDSU and UTEP
    Mountain West-Houston,SMU,TCU, CSU, Wyoming,AirForce,UNLV, Nevada

  • Terry
    Aug. 30, 2010 1:19 a.m.

    Go back to the MWC? BYU does not eat that much crow unless they get major concessions to save face! Tribune reports insiders saying that seems highly unlikely. With the WAC, they still have Nevada and Fresno for at least 2 more years (maybe more if they don't have the $5 million), and with the pushing of ESPN I bet they recruit a couple other schools to boost the ranks also! The WCC is even a better option! Did you forget the 20x greater national TV exposure and 5-10 times greater revenue from independence!

    What a ridiculous, short sided article!

  • wwookie
    Aug. 30, 2010 5:27 a.m.

    Mike,
    Please tell me where else, besides the DN, where this story is overshadowing the other sports news. Ive looked, but I cant find it.
    Thank you in advance.

  • YOBANFA
    Aug. 30, 2010 7:26 a.m.

    I am so tired of listening to all BYU radio, and reading all BYU newspaper. Thank goodness actual games will be played cause the blue fest is burning my brain.

    No way BYU can organize it's own new conference. If these last few weeks have taught us anything it is BYU does not have the national cache' they thought was there. BYU is a poor excuse for a mid level Texas, "hook em Cougs"...that does not work?!?

  • wayne
    Aug. 30, 2010 7:39 a.m.

    coug_grad

    I think you hit on something that I have been trying to convey for a while. When BYU gets out of the MWC it will not be long before they are invited to another conference or they carve out a new conference from the non BCS Conferences.

    Since you already want to take CUSA members, why not look at taking the cream of the three conferences.

    Easter division UAB, Old Miss, Houston, and Memphis TCU, and Air force.

    Western division Boise st., BYU, SDSU , Fresno st., New Mexico, and UNLV


    If you feel the need to add schools look at La Tech and SMU or Tulane and Tulsa in the east and Hawaii and Nevada in the west.

    than would be a great conference.

    NO UTAH STATE simply doesn't belong.

  • hedgehog
    Aug. 30, 2010 7:56 a.m.

    Just a shout out from the Midwest Media; A two sentence blurb mentioning BYU appeared about two weeks ago — that’s it. Not a mere mention since. Trust me, no one outside of Utah County could care less.

    All this tds knee tapping and teeth grinding has gone almost completely unnoticed — nationally. Ask me about the Texas moves early this summer…..hourly updates and analysis.

  • Max-was-right
    Aug. 30, 2010 8:04 a.m.

    BEWwwookie,

    ESPN,SL tribune, KSL, KUTV, KSTU, CNN, MSNBC, V.S., USA today, and most of all,

    The Daily Utah Chronicle.....

    wwoolie, congrats on becoming the newest BEW, you've worked very hard to earn it...

  • Dutchman
    Aug. 30, 2010 8:08 a.m.

    Mike,

    If the Big 12 wanted BYU they would do it now, you know, "One call, that's all". The most academic liberal elite Universities belong to a club called the Association of American Universities (AAU). It is by invitation only and there are currently 63 members. Among those members are Stanford, Cal, Washington, Oregon, etc. The very Universities with presidents that BYU insiders blame for not inviting BYU to the PAC 10. Well, the Big 12 has their share of AAU members as well including Missouri, Texas and Texas A&M. Do you really believe that those presidents will feel any different about BYU as the PAC 10 presidents did? Also, BYU is one of 45 institutions cited by the American Association of University Professors (AAUP) for lacking academic freedom. Playing BYU in football from time to time as Texas and Washington are doing is one thing but getting the presidents (who make the real decisions) to admit them as a full conference member is quite another.

  • ProudRedUtahAlum
    Aug. 30, 2010 8:29 a.m.

    "BYU's quest overshadows sports news"

    BYU arrogance is alive and well. They are indeed getting exposure, but is this what they really want? Let's see, if I am the Big-12, do I want BYU after this fiasco?

    Also, maybe you shouldn't use the word 'quest'. That has not served BYU well in the past.

  • CBPapa
    Aug. 30, 2010 8:34 a.m.

    Hey YOBANFA: If listening and reading about BYU bothers you so much, why don't you just quit listening and reading?
    Face it...BYU may or may not have the national cache', but they definitely have the state locked up with media attention.

  • Dig Dug
    Aug. 30, 2010 8:49 a.m.

    Rise and shout...

  • coyote120
    Aug. 30, 2010 8:56 a.m.

    Why did Fresno and Nevada bolt the Project. It seems to me that staying with the WAC, with BYU as an Independent would be a better deal for them.

    The football competition is slightly better, as long as Boise State moves to the MWC as planned. There doesn't appear to be any more money. The MWC is mired in an awful TV deal, and will (whether now or later) lose its flagship school in BYU. ESPN apparently was going to come in strong on the deal to get a Western presence. It all seemed like a powerful plan for all involved. So why Fresno and Nevada would jump?

  • Utah Utes1
    Aug. 30, 2010 9:04 a.m.

    CBPapa | 8:34 a.m. Aug. 30, 2010

    "BYU may or may not have the national cache', but they definitely have the state locked up with media attention."

    They do? Hmmmmm...Whatever you say.

    How about this one...'BYU - Quest for Attention.'

  • SoUtBoy25
    Aug. 30, 2010 9:25 a.m.

    Took a quick look at ESPN's home page a couple of days ago. On the college football site it had a BYU QB thread regarding the "Y's" choice to go with two QB's, along with other major college headlines. ESPN doesn't put things on the website that no one reads. This was just regarding a QB decision. I know the hate group could never acknowledge this, because the hunger pains of hate can only be satisfied by propogating hate; but for the still openminded swing group I'd say this is evidence BYU sports does have some national significance and certainly regional prominence in college football. YOBANFA--the reason you are always seeing "Y" news is because so many people are reading it. Every one of your clicks counts too. Suggestion-don't click on "Y" stuff it only propogates more "Y" news.

  • Buster
    Aug. 30, 2010 9:44 a.m.

    ProudRedUtahAlum | 8:29 a.m. Aug. 30, 2010
    "BYU's quest overshadows sports news"

    "Also, maybe you shouldn't use the word 'quest'. That has not served BYU well in the past."
    ===

    Words have meaning...

    Quest
    verb (used with object)
    To search or seek for; pursue.

    Sorensen is a Ute "homer". He uses the word to dig at BYU, and the quest for perfection.

    My question:

    What word would you have chosen?

    Any football team should be on a " quest for perfection".

    Sort of like "In search of Excellence".

  • hedgehog
    Aug. 30, 2010 10:16 a.m.

    Buster,

    "quest for attention" seems to ring more true.

  • fresnogirl
    Aug. 30, 2010 10:21 a.m.

    @coyote120

    I grew up here in Fresno. I can tell you that Fresno State longed for years and years to be invited to the WAC. Then they were finally invited only to be ditched by most of the original members. Ouch! But still they longed to be invited (now to the MWC). In the WAC last year they went, they went 8-4 and finished up with a 28-35 loss to Wyoming. But they still say things like, "now that we are in the MWC, they are sure to get into the BCS... even without U of U or BYU." And they really believe it. They think this is their ticket into the BCS.

  • Veracity
    Aug. 30, 2010 10:32 a.m.

    To Hedgehog...there is ONE who cares alot about BYU,who appears to read everything about BYU and who probably lives outside Utah county and that is you...you should remember the old saying, "By throwing dirt, all you do is lose ground" and your in a deep hole.

  • Hellooo
    Aug. 30, 2010 10:47 a.m.

    To Hedgehog and Wwookie I was in LA and LV all last week and while BYU going independent did not dominate like here in SLC, it was talked about extensively. "The Project" has been and is in the national and western sports news, but mostly not painting the Y in a very favorable light. LV radio ripped on the arrogance of the Cougars and their fans, even suggested that to stay in the MWC the Cougars should have to sign a pledge not to leave with $ penalty if they do.

  • Utah Utes1
    Aug. 30, 2010 11:03 a.m.

    fresnogirl | 10:21 a.m. Aug. 30, 2010

    That's what BYU is saying about going independent.

    Whether BYU is successful or not in pulling off independence over the next couple of days, imagine the discussion announcers on the Mt will have when they televise BYUs games throughout 2010.

    Quest accomplished?

  • cval
    Aug. 30, 2010 11:19 a.m.

    Since the MWC conference will not kick a member out, and BYU has not left, it seems funny to talk about making them sign a pledge or pay to get back in.

    They are still in. Nothing has changed.

  • Buster
    Aug. 30, 2010 11:37 a.m.

    hedgehog | 10:16 a.m. Aug. 30, 2010
    "Buster,
    "quest for attention" seems to ring more true."
    ===

    I'm sorry, I was talking about college sports. Not HedgeHog in the Deseret News comment section.

    ===

    But, if you are being serious, can you tell me how many official statements the BYU athletic department has made over the summer.

    If there seems to be alot of attention coming BYU's direction, it is because the demand for information is driving the news, not the supply coming from the BYU athletic department.

    If you have a gripe about the attention BYU has been getting, it should be directed at the fans and the reporters that feel the need to feed that demand.

    Once again, Sorensen is a Utah Homer, and wrote this story because his Utah stories are getting him no attention. Even Sorensen feels the need to crossover and write about BYU to feed his "quest".

    It's not BYU's "quest for attention"... Rather the publics desire for the news.

    It's pretty obvious which University has the solid fanbase in this television market, something Larry Scott needs to be worried about.

    Just sayin'...

  • fresnogirl
    Aug. 30, 2010 11:45 a.m.

    Hedge:

    None of this (especially my comment) was directed toward you nor has anything to do with you. I was answering coyote's question. You need to find a hobby.

  • MenaceToSociety
    Aug. 30, 2010 11:51 a.m.

    BYU's quest? UH, oh! Quest for Perfection 2? Yeah, it went so well the first time.

  • hedgehog
    Aug. 30, 2010 11:54 a.m.

    Blah, blah blah.

    It’s just al lot of tds “mid major” posturering for attention — nothing will happen — mark my words. The tds will be back in there rightful place ……”mid majors”.

    But hey, pat yourself on the back.

    People like you, they really,really like you ……LOL!

  • fresnogirl
    Aug. 30, 2010 12:06 p.m.

    It seems more like Hedgehog's quest for attention must overshadow all BYU football comment boards.

    I still don't understand why anyone would dedicate so much of his life on a team he deems "mid major." Kinda pathetic.

  • DaveKnowsWhatsUp
    Aug. 30, 2010 12:24 p.m.

    Re: hedgehog,

    Not only do you need a life, your unabashed bias usually clouds your perception to the point where nothing you say is remotely correct.

    For example, you state there has only been one blurb in the midwest media about BYU, with nothing else posted.

    Normally, I just ignore your comments, not worth the time. However, your comment made me curious. Just to see how close you were to a factual basis, I googled BYU, and the University of Utah. I then clicked the News button and sorted for the past month. The numbers were quite revealing:

    The University of Utah had just over 612 news postings. BYU had well over 4000.

    BTW, these include postings from places like ESPN, CBSSports, etc., not just the DesNews.

    I really don't have a point with all of this, other than I found these numbers quite interesting when compared to your single blurb claim.

    I know all you haters keep hoping that BYU will stop being relevant, but I don't think it is going to happen.

  • defibman
    Aug. 30, 2010 12:48 p.m.

    @ hedgehog. You just don't get it. You must really, really like BYU. You just can't stay off their articles and can't stop commenting. You are really obsessed with the BLUE. Max really was right! If you hate something you just stay away from it as much as is possible. I hate the Ute's and don't even read any article dealing with them, the same as many others, which is why articles about them really don't rate.(match comments on Ute articles vs BYU articles). You keep talking about BYU being in a mid-major and the Utes being in some kind of mega conference, but keep forgetting that we have beat you 3 of the past 4 times, not to even mention Bball. Poor Utes, they really think they have hit the big time. Time will tell and we all look forward to seeing the Utes in the bottom 1/3 of their conference of champions.

  • gub-ment-cheeze
    Aug. 30, 2010 1:02 p.m.

    The HOH (Haters On the Hill) are in full force again. Kinda touchy that their home opener is 3 days away and they don't even have any pub yet...all people want to talk about is BYU and independence ,or BYU against Jake Locker.

    Ohhh, someone please talk about me....please....!

  • Stephen in Ogden
    Aug. 30, 2010 1:39 p.m.

    As a Utah native who got a masters degree from a west coast Catholic University let me say that I would be very surprised if BYU joins the WCC. BYU is fruit punch and bread while the WCC is wine and cheese. With the exception of Pepperdine, the WCC colleges and universities are very liberal. They also do not have any problem scheduling games on Sundays.
    It appears that BYU and the Mountain West have come to an impasse. BYUs only 2011 escape is the WAC conference. The Big 10 or Big 12 may be in BYUs future, but 2011 in these conferences is locked up for now. I may be wrong about the WCC. However, this conference was created after USF (San Francisco) got in trouble for NCAA recruiting violations.
    The Catholic clergy create the WCC to clean up the mess big TV money had created for its west coast schools. They wanted a separate parochial conference. BYU TV deals are a step back to the problem this WCC conference was set up to avoid in the first place.

  • panamadesnews
    Aug. 30, 2010 1:52 p.m.

    Hedgy:

    You still don't get it! All of the hoopla about BYU is juat that - about BYU, not BY BYU. BYU still has said nothing - nothing. Everyone else has talked plenty, but said nothing, including you. Why don't we just wait and see what good things happen. Guaranteed they will be good for BYU, but guaranteed also, you and your ilk will cast a negative spin on it, no matter what transpires. Have a good day.

  • stgjazzfan
    Aug. 30, 2010 2:02 p.m.

    Hey Hedgehog... Did you see the small blog last week about BYU after you were playing your playstation game, your named after until 2:00 am. Get a Life !!

  • PureOpinion
    Aug. 30, 2010 2:36 p.m.

    Yeah you're right, nobody is talking about or cares if BYU is going independent or not....
    Except for ESPN, and USA Today? right...

    As for national fan base, BYU far outreaches any school in the west, save USC or UCLA. No other school in the west could pull a crowd of 20,000+ for a road game in Texas. Look for the same results at FSU. BYU has a very large and prominent fan base. Mostly in LDS homes.
    BYU is a symbol of the LDS church in college sports. So naturally there is a large fan base there. And that fanbase is only growing.

    I do not understand why U fans have to keep coming back to put down BYU ON BYU articles. You will no longer be affiliated with BYU outside of the rivalry game. So maybe you should move on already. I'm sure you will do fine in the pathetically weak PAC. Enjoy

  • Duh
    Aug. 30, 2010 4:29 p.m.

    I like the comment that a true fan is arrogant because he is passionate about his team. What is even funnier is how BYU has not made any statements to warrant this type of attention but it is the writers who get a tidbit of information and then blow it out of proportion just so they can fuel the fire, no news is boring. And for those out of state, who cares what you think. This is our State and our teams so both arrogant Utah and BYU fans are going to hash it out no matter what happens.....of course until we never play each other except once in a while then the flavor is taken out of it and it just won't matter anymore. So come on BYU and Utah fans, keep it up, I love to trash it out, get fanatic and love your team no matter what....I did notice however that hardly anyone every comments on articles about Utah...must be that's we don't see hardly any. Oh well, PSSSSST.

  • Bugoff
    Aug. 30, 2010 4:42 p.m.

    As far as the Big 12 is concerned, TX has what it wants for right now. More money and a lot of options. Do not be surprised if TX teams up with USC to form a new conference out of the best TV parts of the Big12 and PAC.

    Also do not be surprised if BYU goes independent but eventually forms a new conference with help from ESPN. The members will be based on TV potential. Inclusion will not be regions so much as TV draw.

    @Dutchman While I was at Auburn they were on the academic black list. It made no difference what so ever in football matters and very little in academic ones. Your argument is specious.

    Nobody beyond a few unionized professors pay any attention to the black list. Besides half of the professors who actually belong to the union only do so for protection from the very Administrators you cite.

    There may be schools in the Big 12 that may appose BYU joining on cultural grounds but the black list will be nothing more than convenient cover.

    Auburn did not get any pressure from the SEC about it and nobody kicked them out.

  • idablu
    Aug. 30, 2010 5:38 p.m.

    @hegehog & UtahUtes1

    You blast BYU re: their "quest for attention" and yet you rank #1 & #2 in providing that attention.
    Go figure.

  • JayDee
    Aug. 30, 2010 6:14 p.m.

    One way or another, many questions will be answered by default on September 1. Let the dust settle from that quickly and then bring on the games. What an intriguing season that awaits!

    I propose we adopt the Bard's words (that were adapted by Faulkner) to describe posts by hedgehog and his ilk when commenting about BYU:

    ...A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing....

  • MUSSing with U
    Aug. 30, 2010 6:41 p.m.

    Come on Sorenson U homer. Utah's season opener is this week and the only thing you can find to write about is a whiny column about how BYU is drawing all of the attention away from your Utes?

    BYU shrugs a shoulder and the entire MWC shudders.

    As much as the detractors like to pretend that BYU is just like any other school in the conference, would the media really be making this much of a fuss if any other team in the conference was rumored to be leaving the MWC?

    ---------------------------------

    btw, BYU fans

    Be gentle on hedgehog.

    Life must be pretty miserble for him when the only thing he knows how to do is spam BYU articles with hatred 24/7.



  • Veritas Aequitas
    Aug. 30, 2010 7:00 p.m.

    PureOpinion | 2:36 p.m. Aug. 30, 2010
    Yeah you're right, nobody is talking about or cares if BYU is going independent or not....
    Except for ESPN, and USA Today? right...
    ===

    And the Sporting News which has them under NCAAF Trending Topics at only #5...

    Wait, does that mean it is the #5 story right now nationally...???????


    Wow, maybe someone does care outside of Provo.

    I don't think even Utah going to the PAC made it as high as #5...

    Wow, you BYU haters had me going for a second...

  • chuckie
    Aug. 30, 2010 10:07 p.m.

    "After having 12 non-conference games televised over the past two years, Utah has exactly zero games on the docket this year. Is that retribution for the Utes' decision to leave the MWC behind and join the Pac-10 next year?"
    ===

    You ask "why not"? I ask "why" would they...

    Could it be that the Utes had a lousy team that got worse with players bolting Boylen? Not even an NIT, or a CBI invite, and you want that product taking valuable airtime? Gee, I hope the opportunity to get knocked around by the PAC was worth it. The U couldn't even take SWBU at home...

    The Utes are the PAC best kept secret, with Larry Scott's calling what they have in your crimson colored glasses "athletic prowness", taking only one MWC title last year, getting smoked in the Deseret Duel, and you wonder why the disrespect?

    Man, do you even read the tripe that you write?

    Now it's because they are just so good they are going to the PAC that the MWC doesn't want to give them a game.

    Look at the quality of product.

    Get Tommy Connor and rebuild.

    Or whine...

  • GoUtah
    Aug. 30, 2010 10:32 p.m.

    @Max-was-right i.e. "Hate"

    Thanks for your "mid-major" hate-filled comments. You're living true to your name.

  • Veritas Aequitas
    Aug. 31, 2010 12:11 a.m.

    This is a story about the University of Utah basketball hidden in the stories about BYU going independent.
    You can't find it under Utah, only BYU.

    Sorensen, are you afraid to show this to the Utah fans, or is this the best place you think they have a shot to see it at?

  • CBPapa
    Aug. 31, 2010 10:58 a.m.

    Utah Utes1 | 9:04 a.m. Aug. 30, 2010

    "They do? Hmmmmm...Whatever you say.

    How about this one...'BYU - Quest for Attention.'"

    I'd say yes they do...as evidenced by the number of Ute followers (including yourself) on most of the BYU articles.
    I know it's hard for some of the folks on the hill to believe, but despite the success in recent years by the Utes, BYU still garners more attention. The funny thing is BYU doesn't necessarily ask for it (or have a "quest" for it as you suggest), but it's obvious the readers/viewers demand it.