I hope that BYU enjoys being an independent. Now that the school has angered
the MWC by its insolence and belief that its is better than the rest of the
league it would be very tough to go back.As for the Pac-Ten/Tweleve
that won't happen for a long time if ever.Emotions are pretty raw
here in California after the LDS Church involvement in Prop 8. There is no way
that any of the four California schools could endorse membership for a Mormon
school.Students, faculty and alumni would be outraged at an
invitation to BYU. Even a huge national TV draw or big bucks from a national TV
contract would't be enough to shake off the stigma of the churches involvement.
(Thank god BYU has neither)The Big XII might be an option once they
figure out exactly how to split the loot.50% to Texas and 50% to
everyone else.Great move BYU!
If everything were to be wraped up in a blanket, BYU most certainly should
go independent. There is so much hate towards BYU by schools who couldn't do a
thing by themselves. Utah and BYU aways field a good program and maybe a
different school once in a while but to be in a lagger conference, usually in
the top, helps other schools and fill the coffers with money they should keep
for themsleves, makes a good reason to move from the MWC. That blue carpet in
Boise would be reason enough if nothing else. Go UTAH-BYU.
Interesting if WAC and CUSA teams will come together forming a new conference,
or the WAC can entice some of the CUSA teams to the WAC. That way BYU can go
indy in FB with the rest of their sports in the CUSA, and USU will still be a
part of a viable conference. We'll see what comes about on Mon or Tues. If BYU
is going to go indy for 2011, they need to advise the MWC by or before Sept 1,
otherwise they will remain part of the MWC until at least after the 2011 season.
I meant the rest of BYU's sports could become a part of the new conf (if the WAC
and CUSA teams can come together to form a new conf) or a revamped WAC conf.
The players and coaches answers are canned, they keep saying "it's just another
year" yeah right! Between the U going to the pac, BYU jumping the gun on
independence and TCU gearing up for a BCS run, this is one of the most
compelling preseasons I can ever remember. All of this is not lost on the
players no matter what they say.
You talk about Utah hating to go to Wyoming to play games in the snow and
cold...now USC, UCLA, Oregon, etc. will hate coming to SLC in late fall to pay
in the cold...
Panamasesnews, first thought about the WAC, BYU and CSUA merging was you have
got to be crazy with teams from East Carolina to San Jose St. to Hawaii what a
logistical nightmare. then I pulled on my BYU classes and it started
to make since. BYU is after all out for exposure. well they would have stops in
Texas, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Tennessee, Florida, West
Virginia, what great exposure. but without the BYU Glasses on you
realize that they would only be playing Rice, Tulane and university of central
Florida. not quite the exposure you had with the BYU glasses on. besides I would
hate to have "We are marshal II" filmed at Laval Edwards Stadium. I
can see a new conference in the making soon after BYU leaves the the mountian
west with 6-8 other members to fill the middle of the schedule. and leave 4 or 6
non conference games so BYU could play the big boys.a good mix would
be to have TCU, Huston, San Diego st., Fresno State, Boise St., Air Force, and
possibly Southern Miss, Tulane, Tulsa, Hawaii, New Mexico, UNLV, UAB, and
Re: Live Hard"Utah most likely will fight the WAZZU for basement
sloppy seconds for last place..."Typical jealous BYU fan. The only
thing you have going for you is your hope that Utah will lose in the PAC 12, the
very conference you begged and pleaded to get into, but were rejected.
Unfortunately for you, the Utes will end up immediately contending for the PAC
12 championship next year, and the years to come.How are you going
to deal with that then?
@WestCoast1Got news for you pal. Live Hard is not a BYU fan at all.
Read his post again. He is a fan of another MWC team (don't know which). All
his previous comments from multiple past articles atest to that fact. So share
your uneducated drivel with someone who at least is a fan of BYU.
WestCoast1 Fiction: Utah regularly wins conference championships.Fact: Utah regularly finishes 3rd or worst in the conference.What makes you think the Utes will immediately contend for the PAC 12
championship when the Utes so rarily contended for the WAC/MWC championship --
only 6 titles in the last 50 years?Even Kyle has only managed one
championship, versus two each for BYU and TCU. Utah's regular 3rd place MWC
finish will translate into a regular 6th place finish in the PAC 12.
@Creative1Thanks for your hateful rant. You're not as accurate as
you think you are, but I hope that you feel better now.
Truth Machine--2 BCS Championship wins equals invitation to the Conference of
Champions.I will say no more.I NEED say no more.
When the Utes line up to play USC or UCLA on a November day in California, I
just don't think they will be remembering wistfully all the good times they had
playing football in Wyoming during a snowstorm. Don't misunderstand me.
Laramie is not the end of the world...but you can see it from there.
@ Truth machineI see your logic. When Utah was still a member of
the MWC, the pac-10 was overrated, the teams were awful, and gosh darn it, the
mountain west was a better conference. Now, Utah goes there and instantly all
the programs are awesome and will pound the utes into oblivion. which is it?
Where can I buy a jacket like that!!! Go Cougars!
@Truth Machine:Looking at the entire University of Utah history,
they have won 26 football championships (Rocky Mtn. = 10, Big Seven = 5, Skyline
5, WAC 2, MWC = 4) which is more than BYU has won (20?). That the U
of U won the majority of its football conference championships in the 1st 50
years of its program as opposed to BYU's winning its majority in the last 50
years is irrelevant.The University of Utah's 2 undefeated, BCS
bowl-winning seasons in the past 6 years speak for themselves. The U has also
beaten UCLA, Stanford, Arizona, Cal, Oregon State, and USC all in the past
decade. They also have won 9 straight bowl games.Tell me again, why
the U should be so concerned about leaving the MWC and go to the PAC 12?@MacNasty:"share your uneducated drivel with someone
who at least is a fan of BYU."I obviously did---you.
Live Hard why the hate? I surmise from a couple of posts you are a WYO fan?
BYU and Utah are Rocky Mountain/Intermountain West teams; that won't change with
conference afflation. I think the smart Utah and BYU fans will remember where
they came from and try not to disrespect the other teams/cities and states that
make up the current MWC and the old WAC. I for one will be pulling for the
Wyoming’s and CSUs as they are from the same neighborhood (Rocky Mountain
West). My advice though would not to hate other teams for doing what your team
would do as well (unfortunately in the end it all comes back to money). Best of
luck to U of Wyoming in the future; there were some great games.
@ LaserYeah, no kidding -- that BYU jacket is sweet! Bronco looks
like Chuck Norris with that thing on. What a stud!!
big_ben,A little know fact is that the ute suck on the road when it
comes to playing pac 10 schools.
Re: Truth MachineYou're in need of a brief history lesson. For the
1st 50 years that the U of U and BYU competed, the U won 20 conference
championships in the various conferences that they were aligned. They hit a dry
spell, then have won 4 titles in the last ten years (26 total). BYU, on the
other hand, did not win a single conference championship until the latter 50
years (about 20 total). Either way, neither of those accomplishments is very
relevant except for what has taken place in the last decade.During
this time the Utes have won 4 conference titles. They have 2 undefeated, BCS
bowl winning- seasons. Along the way they have defeated UCLA, Arizona, Cal,
Stanford, USC, and Oregon State all of the PAC 10/12. They also have a 9 game
bowl winning streak.Tell me again, why you think the Utes won't do
well in the PAC 12?Re: MacNastyYou call this
"uneducated drivel." Why?
Live Hard has gotta be a Boise fan..... full of jealously and bitterness (it's
the blue field, nobody likes it, nobody).Would it not be funny for
BYU to leave the MWC only to have them (MWC)get AQ status or regular invites to
BCS Bowls in the future and BYU out in the cold of independence? There is no
guarantee that they will be treated well/fairly by the BCS or invited to a BCS
conference.Aside from the Oklahoma game the Y's record against BCS
schools over the last 5 - 10 years is not great. Why would they be given
access? A reasonably(?) large national fan base may not be enough!It's going to be a fun year......
Three reasons why the Utes won't challenge for conference championships in the
PAC:Kyle has lost twice as many MWC games as Bronco - 12 vs 6.Kyle has finished 3rd or worse in the MWC 4 out of 5 years.Kyle is 0-3 on the road versus PAC 10 teams.
What happened to Arizona State after they went from the WAC to the Pac 10 in
1978? Remember this was an ASU football program that dominated the Wac, winning
conference titles 7 of the last 10 years in the Wac. ASU went from a dominating
power in the WAC, to a mediocre team in the Pac 10. After 32 years in the Pac
10, ASU has won only 3 conference titles, played in 2 Rose Bowls, and has not
played in any BCS bowl games. Like ASU discovered, Utah will find
out that winning on the road in a major conference like the Pac 10, is very
difficult. Since 2000, Utah's road game record versus Pac 10 teams is 1-6. (Not
counting neutral site bowl games.) BYU would have the same difficulty.Ute fans will not be happy loosing 4-5 games or worse every season, and no BCS
bowl games. For solace Utes can always talk about the good old days in the MWC,
the two undefeated seasons and the two BCS bowl games.
can you beleive all the comments? go utes and cougs!! best of luck and happy
trails to you...it's about money and survival in college football. oh yeah, one
thing about creative 1's comment that i have to respond to is that mormons are
supposed to do what's right not follow the world current? i was cougar when
cougar wasn't cool.
Conference Championships during the Last 50 YearsBYU - 231965197419761977197819791980198119821983198419851989199019911992199319951999200120062007Utah - 6196419951999200320042008During the
Bronco/Kyle era (2005 through 2009):BYU - 2 (2nd, 1st, 1st, 3rd,
2nd); four Top 25 finishesUtah - 1 (4th, 3rd, 3rd, 1st, 3rd); two Top 25
finishesKyle has lost to every team in the MWC, including being shut
out by bottom dweller UNLV 0-27.Bronco has never lost to Air Force,
Colorado State, New Mexico, UNLV or Wyoming.Head-to-headBronco
- 3Kyle - 2
I don't think the title of the article reflects the article itself:Rivals and pals, Kyle Whittingham and Bronco Mendenhall drive through Mountain
West Conference one last time together.HUH? This is a poor attempt
at grabbing attention for a retread article.
WestCoast1"They hit a dry spell,..."To be more precise,
that little dry spell that you so quickly glossed over lasted from 1965 to 1995.
That's only 10 years longer than the 1922 to 1962 period that Utah
dominated the series, and BYU didn't even play football during three of those
years, 1942 to 1944.Utah solidly claimed the leather helmet era when
football was little more than a club sport at BYU.--------------------------------------A little history
lesson for U:In 1939, the AP poll was first published. 1. How many years did it take before Utah finished in the final AP Top 25 for
the first time?2. How many times had BYU finished in the final AP
Top 25 by the time Utah first cracked the final AP poll?
@SportsFanImportant stats:BCS games:Kyle 2Bronco 0 (nil/zip)Power conference invitation:Kyle 1Bronco 0 (nil/zip)Total bowl payout since 1992:Utah $39 mil
(approx)BYU. $10 mil (approx)
One of the many reasons why I like Utah in Pac-12:1) In southern
california, I'll be able to watch Utah Utes football/b-ball games on FSN vs
other Pac-12 teams....can't wait for 2011 season to start...hahaha2)
Perhaps, I will be able to go to a Rose bowl in a near future to watch Utah
playing a big 10 team (may be 12-0 Michigan, or 12-0 Ohio State)...for a NC -->
that would be totally awesome!!!!
WestCoast1 and SoCalUtahFan, I won't list SC's accomplishments, we know what
they are. Can't wait to meet Utah in conference play. We'll see how they stack
up against PAC12 team each week. Bring it on!
The only thing I can't figure in all of this is why a BCS bowl is the measure of
anything.Everybody in the conference likes a bowl that brings money
to the other teams.The only thing that matters in football is
championships, period. Conference championships and national championships.I hope that BYU and Utah can continue to be champions in the future. I
think it will be hard for both teams.Remember, though, Colorado and
Utah were not admitted to the PAC-10 because the members thought the new guys
would beat them in football. They thought they could have leverage for more
money from Comcast.
Real Football Accomplishments of National SignificanceNational
ChampionshipsBYU 1Utah 0 (nil/zip)Top 25 FinishesBYU 17Utah 5BSC AppearancesBYU 0Utah 2Heisman TrophyBYU 1Utah 0 (nil/zip)Doak Walker
AwardBYU 1Utah 0 (nil/zip)Davey O'Brien AwardBYU
4Utah 0 (nil/zip)Outland TrophyBYU 1Utah 0
(nil/zip)Sammy Baugh TrophyBYU 7Utah 0 (nil/zip)College Football Hall of Fame inducteesBYUGifford Nielsen
(QB), 1994Marc Wilson (QB), 1996Jim McMahon (QB), 1999Steve
Young (QB), 2001LaVell Edwards (Head Coach), 2004Gordon Hudson
(Tight End), 2009UtahIke Armstrong (Head Coach), 1957--------------------------------Sorry, how much $$$ you've
received from bowls is not a football accomplishment.And getting an
invite to the PAC had nothing to do with football accomplishments -- see
The best cure for stupid comments is the start of college football. THEN
arguments with relevance today can begin.
@SportsFanBYU has two Outland Trophy winners.1989 Mo
Elewonibi Outland Trophy 1986 Jason Buck Outland Trophy
Utah Utes1 | 9:10 p.m. Aug. 29, 2010 The best cure for stupid comments is
the start of college football. THEN arguments with relevance today can begin.
===Sooooo... For the record, you are giving BYU football and
basketball the "scoreboard for last year", and credit for being the better team,
unless the Utes can prove it wrong?Come on, I just want to hear one
Ute fan admit it...
@Creative 1:You just will never get over being beat at the ballot
box, will you. Twice, no less.Do you always get side tracked like
this, or did you just have a temporary loss of thought process.
VA: Yes, BYU was better than Utah in both football and basketball last season.
Disappointing for me as a Utah fan but not at all hard for me to admit.(Though I was proud of my rebuilding Utes to take the highly-favored,
home-team, senior-laden, best-BYU-football-team-in-15-years to overtime,
unfortunately losing on one well-executed play. But scoreboard to BYU and
congrats to them for getting only their second win over a ranked team since the
beginning of the Meyer/Wittingham era.)Now.... For the record, you
are giving Utah football and basketball the "scoreboard for last decade", and
credit for being the better team unless the Cougars can prove it wrong?Come on, I just want to hear one Cougar fan admit it...
I was at that Utah/Wyoming game in 2004, sitting in the freezing cold wind for
99 minutes. Can't say I'm sad Utah won't be making biannual trips there.As for USC and UCLA coming here in November, maybe that will help ensure
that the games are played on Saturday in the early afternoon.
Veritas AequitasBYU was the better team last year.BYU was the
better team last year.BYU was the better team last year.There!
to go along with your grammer corrections, I have written on the blog (chalk)
board three times.Anything else?Otherwise, we can
revisit this at the end of November.
I was also at the 2004 game- I think we won twice. The cheerleading squads
played while they fixed the lights - Utah won, after a Ute provided a pretty
wicked hit on one of the Wyoming coeds. Following that, the Utes doubled-down
and beat Wyoming football team, pulling away in the second half. I will miss
the Wyoming games; not for the weather, but for what were some pretty
competitive games. Wyoming may think otherwise after teh more recent 40/50
point beatings in 2007/2008.No doubt the dynamics of BYU-Utah in
November will change. Over the last 20 years, the games were significant
relative to the Holy War and the MWC/WAC championship. Unfortunately, the Holy
War will be the focus; and this has been the least likable aspect of the
rivalry. If the game becomes the early game of significance of both teams,
neither will be able to use it to redeem their season.However if
Utah does well in the PAC12 and BYU succeeds at going independent, the game may
grow in significance, of a different nature - assuming the fans and ADs continue
to support the rivalry.
Rivalry and/or BYU and Utah stuff aside, how in the world do I get one of those
"Band of Brothers" leather jackets that Bronco has? Those are SWEET!!! BTW...
very nice Harley as well. If we put football aside and focus on the
individual, Bronco rides Harleys, breaks horses, and surfs.... Kyle may be a
nice guy and all, but if I could choose to hang out with one of them for a
weekend, I'm choosing Bronco. That guy seems like a stud, and he seems pretty
humble about everything. Just my $.02...Seriously.... anyone know
how to get one of those jackets? Please post it on here. I couldn't find one in
the Lindon Harley shop the last time I was there. I'd love to be wearing them
out here in Texas on my Harley.... very cool.
TCU will beat both teams as they make their last drive through the conference
making the last game almost meaningless, but to even up the series between W and
CG,A little history lesson in football:In 1939, the AP poll
was first published.1. How many years did it take before Utah finished in
the final AP Top 25 for the first time?There wasn't a AP Top 25 for a long
time after it started. But it was on the AP list 25 years after it started.2. How many times had BYU finished in the final AP Top 25 by the time
Utah first cracked the final AP poll? BYU had 0 top 25 finishes before
Utah was ranked. BYU's first ranking was in 1977.
Hellooo,TCU may beat both of them. We'll have to see. But the
Utah-BYU game will never be meaningless. There is more to playing football than
just a conference championship.
@Pete in Texas, Coach Whit rides a new Harley himself. And he is quite funny in
person (just went to a Crimson Club lunch today) while I think Bronco enjoys
trying to use big words a little too much.
@ Thlete:Do you know did he get a jacket embroidered with the Utes
logo on it? I'd love to see something like that.