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Dick Harmon: BYU football news seems to change by the hour

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  • wer
    Aug. 20, 2010 12:25 a.m.

    BYU, along with the WAC, got blind sided.

    The truth is that, out of all these conjectures, the most likely scenario is that the BCS schools will form their own league and render the NCAA meaningless.

  • dallasfreeways
    Aug. 20, 2010 12:26 a.m.

    Coach Patterson's comment that maybe we don't know what he knows is perhaps the most intriguing comment of the day.

  • Laser
    Aug. 20, 2010 6:32 a.m.

    Thank you again UTAH STATE for standing up and shedding light on the scenario. Seems like there were some foxes in the hen house.

    Utah fans put your money where you mouth is, back out of the PAC whatever and stay in the MWC...if not you have no room to talk.

  • Cougars --Best Little Brothers
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:00 a.m.


    Perhaps, BYU will join Big-12 --Holmoe and Bronco would like that. However, Big-12 does not want BYU

    May be a better option for BYU is independent and WAC. Seems logical to Kewgs. But, no, who will BYU play every year now? Idaho/LA Tech/Hawaii/NMSU? No sure thing that ND will play with BYU.

    What to do?
    What to do, Holmoe?
    What to do, Bronco?

    How about try to get into BCS the good ol' way?
    Like the mighty/major Utes? Or like BSU, TCU? Win 12 games!!!

  • rvalens2
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:04 a.m.

    "The Big 12 could expand. The Pac-12 could expand some more."

    The above scenarios are the likeliest to happen.

    Remove BYU and TCU from the Mountain West and all you have left are BSU and Air Force; everyone else merits very little attention.

    SDSU
    UNLV
    Nevada
    Wyoming
    New Mexico
    Fresno State
    Colorado State

    Real exciting teams there ... eh!

    I can see the PAC-12 licking it chops to pick up TCU and Texas Tech.

  • jazzbball
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:52 a.m.

    None of this is based on fact.

    Everyone's guessing. BYU haters, sorry to dissapoint you, but BYU has said nothing yet. Nothing. Everyone is guessing that BYU's plans were foiled. Who said that's their plan?

    The one fact that has been established, is BYU and ESPN has an agreement in the works. ESPN is a powerful buddy.
    Like it or not, the worldwide leader in sports wants BYU football, and will work to get it.

    That is essentially the only confirmed fact.

  • sls
    Aug. 20, 2010 8:06 a.m.

    USU could return to the Big Sky. It would serve them right for leaking information to kill the deal with BYU before it was sealed.

  • SoCalUtahFan
    Aug. 20, 2010 8:22 a.m.


    The team who lost in this mess...is Utah States.
    USU, thinking BYU will join WAC, turned down MWC.

    If BYU crawled back to MWC...hmmmmm...nice going Holmoe!

  • RockOn
    Aug. 20, 2010 8:35 a.m.

    My what emotions and wild speculation from a rumor. To cast any judgment on BYU when there is no evidence BYU has done anything... is foolish. Dick is right... it's all "maybe, could be, might be and who the heck knows."

    So far the only villains are Fresno State and Nevada. What clods to make a commitment on Friday and less than a week later do a 180 (or a Malone 360). What a bonehead $10 million error and Nevada Pres. Glick thinks the WAC will go easy on them.

    The only heroes so far... Utah State! They kept their promise in light of an offer they really wanted and could rationalize easily. Love the Aggies integrity.

    It was fun speculating the first day, but, now it is boring. We're getting recycled opinion in the fish wrapping of speculative news.

  • stanfunky
    Aug. 20, 2010 8:36 a.m.

    There is NO ESPN super-conference. This is a rumor with no factual basis.

    1- The MTN contract would have to be bought out by ESPN for the MWC schools to enter another agreement.

    2-Exit fees for WAC teams would have to be paid, since Benson's likely to want his cut.

    3-ESPN isn't powerful enough to force a super-conference or they would have done it ALREADY with the best of the SEC & ACC, Big East and Big 10, or some other combination. Why would they bother with MWC and WAC schools that bring them little to no revenue?

    Let's see what happens by next week at this time, then we can post to our heart's delight about it. For now, it's just commenting on rumor.

  • nehu
    Aug. 20, 2010 9:14 a.m.

    Re: Rock On

    now that is a good piece of writing, finally something on here that makes sense.

    Re: RValens

    You just said that Air Force merits what? You're funny.

    Re: SLS

    Who leaked information from USU? Albrecht, Barnes? Unless you listened to Big Blue (the bull) because you are into mascots and fictional characters I think you missed on your assumption.

  • utahcountyute
    Aug. 20, 2010 9:24 a.m.

    This will all play out on Sept 1st.

    I know that everyone at BYU is mum. I have friends in compliance there and they are strictly "no comment".

    As a Ute fan and member of the church, I am definitely interested in how this plays out for byu.

    I'm sooooo glad the Utes were able to get out when they had the chance!

  • stgjazzfan
    Aug. 20, 2010 9:53 a.m.

    The Big12 is trying to work out a new TV deal? ESPN could help put together a super conference with the help of the Big12 and at the same time create a super TV deal. They just need to get BYU, TCU, BSU and Airforce to jump ship to the the Big12 and that would settle things for good.

  • Arynen
    Aug. 20, 2010 9:59 a.m.

    Best comment in the entire article...


    "Or China may just write off the U.S. debt."

    Made me laugh!!

  • Ernest T. Bass
    Aug. 20, 2010 10:14 a.m.

    byu was going to hamstring the MWC by bringing SDSU and UNLV along with them to the WAC.
    The MWC then pre-empted their move by adding UNR & Fresno.
    byu lost that chess match.
    USU is the real loser in this. If there is integrity in Provo, they will demand the MWC brings in USU right now.

  • rocknroll
    Aug. 20, 2010 10:22 a.m.

    This is coming to be a daily soap like on tv let's get back to college football and season of 2010.For BYU to give the U of U rightful send off to PAC12 with nice loss. Go Cougars.

  • scott
    Aug. 20, 2010 10:23 a.m.

    Cougars -- BBB; SoCalUtahFan

    Typical comments from our BYU-obsessed little brothers; keep eating your spinach and maybe someday you'll grow up.

    ---------------------------

    BYU never left the MWC, so there's no need to have to "crawl back" and the Big 12 could invite BYU tomorrow, so your "Big 12 doesn't want BYU" statement is meaningless. The PAC 10 didn't want Utah until Texas officially turned down the PAC 10's invitation and Utah was officially invited.

    Why are Utah fans still so obsessed with BYU? They like to pretend that they've moved on, put BYU and the MWC behind them, but the reality is, they're so obsessed with BYU that they hardly pay any attention to their own team.

    Craig Thompson may have saved the MWC by inviting Fresno State and Nevada, but what he really needs to do is save the MWC from his miserable failure of a television deal.

  • MenaceToSociety
    Aug. 20, 2010 11:45 a.m.

    Scott: Typical BYU fan obsessed with hating Utah football. Seek anger management classes my man.

  • rvalens2
    Aug. 20, 2010 11:48 a.m.

    "You just said that Air Force merits what? You're funny." - Nehu

    You don't watch much football do you? Air Force always plays other teams tough. Over the past few years they may not have the best of records but few teams consider them a pushover. Only an uninformed fan would make such a comment.

    Our military academies always merit our attention and respect. From your snide remark, you evidently don't believe this. That's unfortunate because they are the men who defend this country and your freedom.

  • Owl
    Aug. 20, 2010 11:51 a.m.

    Smarmy comments by ute fans, what would we do without them?

  • Still Blue after all these years
    Aug. 20, 2010 11:52 a.m.

    Stanfunky asks the question: Why would they bother with MWC and WAC schools that bring them little to no revenue?

    I don't know; the PAC 10/12 just did with their 2 new schools.

  • Jimmy James
    Aug. 20, 2010 12:09 p.m.

    I really really hope that Coach Patterson knows something good.

    After finding out that Utah State turned down a MWC invitation because they believed everyone else would stay true to their word (ie Fresno, Nevada, AND BYU), I would be pretty bummed to see the WAC disappear into oblivion taking Utah State down with it.

    While previously I had hoped for BYU to stay and Utah State to come to the MWC (which would be a pretty awesome conference), now, the best I'm hoping for is for BYU to go independent and to honor it's rumored commitment to the WAC. Hopefully, BYU will announce this decision soon too, because that could really help bolster the WAC in finding two more teams to add...

    Once again, Patterson, I really hope you know something good that will change the landscape for everyone for the better.

  • Johnny Triumph
    Aug. 20, 2010 12:45 p.m.

    @utahcountyute - it's looking more and more like the Utes knew what they were doing in bolting before this mess started. BYU and Utah were not content with the old WAC and pushed to start the MWC. After the MWC didn't pan out they investigated other options. The U got lucky in their invite (even though I feel badly for them that they're now doomed to mediocrity, but that's another story) and BYU was left out. There are some other good points here, though.

    1) ESPN needs western US coverage and BYU is a good starting point for that.
    2) The Big12 will want another confernce championship game, and BYU would be a great expansion candidate. Texas coming to Provo in a few years is good validation that they feel BYU is a viable opponent.
    3) BYU-TV will be an important piece of whatever happens. I'm Texas would love to get a good look at how they've built it and arranged the distribution to 50M-60M+ homes.
    4) BYU will make the right decision. Right for all sports, not just football. Right for visibility for the Church. This is not just about football.

  • So-CalAggie
    Aug. 20, 2010 12:58 p.m.

    BYU owes us and they better not forget it! Any move they make had better include USU somehow. USU could have screwed over BYU in one-fell-swoop on Wednesday, and the whole Nevada/Fresno thing would have been moot. BUT USU had integrity, now BYU needs to return the favor and act in kind. We all realize BYU got the short end of the stick and things didn't turn out, but leaving USU out to dry for it's loyalty to the plan put in place will be a huge mistake. There is no winners in all of this... but a bad situation could have some silver linings for all involved if done right. Do the right thing BYU!

  • cval
    Aug. 20, 2010 1:48 p.m.


    "sls | 8:06 a.m. Aug. 20, 2010
    USU could return to the Big Sky. It would serve them right for leaking information to kill the deal with BYU before it was sealed."

    Ummm. Wouldn't USU have to have once been in the Big Sky in order to return to it?

  • Thinkman
    Aug. 20, 2010 2:29 p.m.

    Ernest, SoCalAggie,

    USU was seeking their own self-interest as has EVERY school in this soap opera. If BYU did go indie and align with the WAC on non-football sports, USU had a strong interest in staying put. They acted on THEIR self-interest to be aligned with a relatively powerful entity. They have long been trying to be in the same conference as BYU and their decision to reject the MWC offer was to help themselves and not 'show honor or integrity.'

    I've not seen SoCalAggie on these boards much but I've seen "good ole anything but Ernest" on these boards and he isn't naive enough to think that USU acted out of honor. He only has it out for BYU.

    BYU has to do what is in their best interest as did Utah, BSU, FSU and Nevada and as USU has done as well. BYU will do well as an indie and will have no trouble finding others to play that will rival their previous 10-15 years' schedules in terms of strength. It is all about money folks. Please don't be naive or pretend to be naive like Ernie is.

  • ouisc
    Aug. 20, 2010 4:45 p.m.

    BYU is a powerful school. Like they're reporting in Fort Worth, BYU didn't like the WAC, so they formed a new conference. Now they don't like their conference anymore, they're trying to get out of that. Not many schools can influence entire conferences like that.

    BYU has to have a couple of countermoves planned outside of our perview. Surely they knew the MWC would counter the BYU plan for football independence--heck, they were behind bringing Boise State in knowing the Utes were high on the PAC-10 list. They know the strategy.

    BYU is ominously quiet right now. The next move is going to be big...

  • rok
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:12 p.m.

    From a BYU fan to Tom Holmoe, stay in the MWC. You're not going to get national exposure playing WAC teams.