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  • UteFan24
    Aug. 19, 2010 6:28 p.m.

    Craig Thompson should never be trusted.

  • Wiley Old School
    Aug. 19, 2010 6:34 p.m.

    Hmmmm...

    We've got WAC officials stating that BYU has been anxiously engaged with USU and the WAC about a BYU exit from the MWC.

    We've got the MWC commissioner stating that BYU was at the table when the MWC reached out to Fresno St and Nevada.

    BYU is playing a game of poker. Integrity seems to be the price paid to sit at the table.

  • bsufan8
    Aug. 19, 2010 7:11 p.m.

    Is there any irony in the fact that BYU basically built the WAC for 40 years, and now, without even being a member of the conference, they may have killed it by their greedy intentions (I'm active Mormon, but it is what it is)? Benson putting the blame on Fresno and Nevada being selfish is bogus. If Benson is going to make that claim, doesn't he have to add BYU as the most selfish of all? BYU started this mess to simply make more money in one sport. I'll be interested to see how they get themselves out the firestorm they've created.

    Actually - the more I think of it, the more Provo does belong on the same line as Moscow, Logan, Ruston, and Las Cruces....

  • UNLVFan
    Aug. 19, 2010 7:14 p.m.

    I dont know the entire story inside BYU. Looking at it from outside Provo, BYU has looked slimey. I think that is what some of the media has said about it.

  • Otis Spurlock
    Aug. 19, 2010 7:17 p.m.

    The Lord wants BYU in the WAC.

  • caleb in new york
    Aug. 19, 2010 7:41 p.m.

    the espn article about this quoted Karl Benson as saying several FBS schools have contacted them about openings to get into the 6-team WAC. Who could that be?

  • Footballjoe
    Aug. 19, 2010 7:43 p.m.

    Months ago the MWC talked about becoming an AQ conference without adding Boise State. Then all of a sudden Boise State was added to the MWC and then Utah left to join the PAC 10.

    Boise State brought as good or better rankings than Utah but suddenly BYU decided that the MWC couldn't become an AQ conference and had to leave.

    At the same time BYU was encouraging BSU, BYU was collaborating with the WAC and Utah State to leave.

    BYU then announces that it is looking at going Independent and the MWC reacts by inviting Nevada, Fresno State and Utah State.

    And now....somehow... it is Nevada and Fresno State that are greedy. Sorry.....I just don't buy that. If there is greed lying around it falls at the feet of BYU.

  • BleedAggieBlue
    Aug. 19, 2010 7:48 p.m.

    In hind sight, USU was trying to be the stand up example and was welcoming the BYU Cougs back home. Too bad for them, the news did not come out before all this came down. I would have liked to see the Aggies in the MWC. Better competition and I think they could compete with most of the teams in there. But we will see what happens to the WAC, hope it stays, but gut instinct tells me the respirator will soon be pulled on the WACY WAC!

  • LuVePacifica
    Aug. 19, 2010 8:37 p.m.

    this is a very humble photo thanks for the smile

  • Laser
    Aug. 19, 2010 8:41 p.m.

    Thompson should be fired as the commish. He's had teams with huge national success and the best he can do is get them broadcast on the internet. It turns out even MWC television partners won't allow the Y to show their own games, what gives?

    Utah is gone, BYU want to go who can blame them. The one who should be under the gun is Thompson.

  • chuckie
    Aug. 19, 2010 8:45 p.m.

    Does anyone feel like waiting for BYU to make an official announcement, because at this point, BYU is just exploring the same options they were 2 weeks ago...

  • Wiley Old School
    Aug. 19, 2010 8:50 p.m.

    "No good deed goes unpunished" - Anonymous

    "BYU, shame on you" - Paul Harvey

  • Johney Utah
    Aug. 19, 2010 9:07 p.m.

    At the end of the day, what appeared to be a saving move by the MWC will seal their fate. They have actualized their own fear, their demise. The ultimate result will be the collapse of the Colorado Springs based conference. Mark my words.

    And whatever happens, the Utah/BYU rivalry game should be scheduled like the USC/Notre Dame game; that is, late in the year.

  • wer
    Aug. 19, 2010 9:14 p.m.

    The smallest minds with the most narrow views live in close proximity to the mountain states. Why is it always somebody's fault because they want to do something better? BYU has been the single most influential force to build and maintain, not one, but two conferences. For years and years, they have been the single most recognizable component in the conferences.

    Now, when just about everyone realizes that significant changes are taking place all over the college football landscape (well, except that Joe Paterno is still coaching at Penn State...), Utah leaves the MWC, the Pac 10 tried to become the PAC 16, The Big 12 practically imploded, etc., etc.

    So, BYU seems to be doing what would be beneficial for the flagship university of the MWC, all this venom issues forth. Those who are whining and complaining ought to be grateful to see what the remaining teams can do on their own. If things get better, it's glad to see BYU go. If things get worse, be thankful BYU hung around as long as it did.

    In the meantime, try using your spare time to get Congress and the White House from spending us to death.

  • Striker
    Aug. 19, 2010 9:49 p.m.

    War? Seriously? It's just every team bettering his situation.

    They're just making college football in the off season exciting during such a boring summer when all there is going on is lamo soccer and baseball.

    I'd love for nothing more than to see the WAC fall apart. Let's face it, they're a terrible conference that is rarely on the national scene. I'm all for one super conference! Just leave out weaklings like UNLV and USU.

  • GoodGuyGary
    Aug. 19, 2010 9:51 p.m.

    "The MWC has a 47-34 lead in games vs. the WAC. But if you toss out its 12-1 mark against Utah State (including seven wins by Utah and BYU), the series is MWC 35, WAC 33."

    Rock, what are you trying to say about USU??

  • Veracity
    Aug. 19, 2010 9:54 p.m.

    To Wiley Old School

    "Hello, turn on the light and you won't be in the dark" - Veracity

  • GoodGuyGary
    Aug. 19, 2010 9:57 p.m.

    "I am active Mormon." Does it make your comment more true?

    BYU and its fans had been patient about Thompson and his ability about negotiating TV deal for years. BYU has its TV station on both satelite network and cable, and ability to broadcast in HD. Why should they settle at mtn or Versus. Greedy? What's wrong is that. What if your boss tell you he will give you 5 bucks less next paycheck?

  • COUGARNATE
    Aug. 19, 2010 9:59 p.m.

    @footballjoe. BYU hasn't announce anything. I don't know what your reading. BYU never announced it was looking into going independent ESPN did. Yes it is true they were looking, but BYU doesn't say anything, until it actually happens, they keep their mouths shut to a fault.

  • rvalens2
    Aug. 19, 2010 10:00 p.m.

    It's becoming UGLY and it' not even close to be over yet. Just wait ...

    More shoes are about to drop!

  • Esquire
    Aug. 19, 2010 10:08 p.m.

    Interesting, but why would you throw out the Utah State games in comparing the conferences? USU is a WAC member, pure and simple. If you are going to throw games out, why not throw out the BSU games, or the Nevada-Reno games? Duh!

  • TheSpiker
    Aug. 19, 2010 10:21 p.m.

    Wiley Old School — BYU is one vote in the MWC. Of course they were at the table, but this isn’t the UN and we don’t have a veto power. You are questioning their integrity implying what ... that BYU wanted Nevada and Fresno to join the MWC.

    bsufan8 — Let’s see ... BSU jumps from the WAC to the MWC and they are wonderful for doing so but BYU tries to join the WAC and they are greedy and selfish and it is their fault that the WAC is collapsing. Really? (And proclaiming yourself as “active LDS” doesn’t excuse your hypocrisy or make you believable.)

    Otis Spurlock — Could you be any more predictable. A church criticism and mockery; how original.

    Footballjoe — Tell me where you saw BYU call Nevada and Fresno State greedy. Is BYU greedy for trying to improve their situation and for trying to get more exposure through ESPN? Hmmm ... UofU and BSU and Nevada and FS all are OK but BYU is greedy. Oh ... now I understand.

  • Utah Valley Guy
    Aug. 19, 2010 10:43 p.m.

    I think the WAC should look at picking up Utah Valley University in the next few years, and UVU should add football to its budding athletics programs.

    UVU is now the 2nd largest school in Utah and could pass BYU in size within the next decade. Admittedly, they would have to compete with BYU, Utah, and Utah State for in-state talent, and would usually lose - but they could pick up students who might not otherwise qualify for the other schools.

    I think a UVU - BYU rivalry could become what the BYU - Utah rivalry probably never will be: fun and collegial rather than existential and deadly serious.

  • Mortoon
    Aug. 19, 2010 10:47 p.m.

    Only a fool or person with no knowledge of the facts would say byu looks slimey or was trying to harm the mwc. They made their demands clear and were told to drop dead. So they looked elsewhere.

    Nevada and fsu were back stabbers to their own conference but it will cost them 5 mil each for breach of contract.

    Now the tiny mtn pie will be cut 10 ways. Hope that works for you.

  • JoCo Ute
    Aug. 19, 2010 10:58 p.m.

    Let's try 16 teams again. Once BYU takes their ball and leaves then pull the remain 6 WAC teams together w/ the 10 MWC teams for a new 16 team super conference. This is where the PAC 10-12 or 16 was headed. The teams line up nicely in an East-West conference. Hawaii, SDSU, UNLV, UNR, SJSU, FSU, BSU, and Idaho in the WESTERN Division and USU, WYO, CSU, AFA, NMSU, NM, TCU, and La Tech in the EASTERN Division. Plenty of teams for a conference Championship in football. Maybe this is just too logical?

  • dartstock1
    Aug. 19, 2010 11:04 p.m.

    I like both conferences, and hope they'll be around for a long-long time.

  • BleedCougarBlue
    Aug. 19, 2010 11:09 p.m.

    What about combining the WAC and MWC to form a mega-conference?

  • donburi
    Aug. 19, 2010 11:49 p.m.

    In order for BYU (or any university) to compete on the national stage with the big boys, they need to generate income like the big boys. The bread crumbs from the mtn are not enough for any team, and new TV contracts in the BCS conferences make the divide even wider.

    BYU can obviously see that, so they seem to be trying to improve their situation since Thompson for years has not done much to improve the MWC. They haven't made any final decision yet, and could very well stay in the MWC at this point, but they know the financial situation has to improve or they'll never reach their potential.

    Anyway, what they are doing is no different than other schools switching conferences to improve their situation. Slimy or greedy they are NOT.

  • bvinaz33
    Aug. 20, 2010 12:17 a.m.

    I agree with the others who have said bring them back together. Shock the whole world and instead of having two separate conferences, remake the Super Conference you started back in the mid 90s with the SUPER WAC or Mountain Western Athletic Conference. You have an East and West Division, old rivalries and new ones can emerge. You get your automatic BCS bid you are begging for, you get multiple entries into the NCAA Tournament, get a football conference championship and show the TV networks and all of college athletics that a Super Conference can work. I am all for it!

  • MOUte
    Aug. 20, 2010 12:49 a.m.

    "Anyway, what they are doing is no different than other schools switching conferences to improve their situation. Slimy or greedy they are NOT."

    Switching conferences is one thing, playing a part in the demise of conferences is quite another. Slimy? Greedy? I think that's up for debate.

  • regis
    Aug. 20, 2010 12:59 a.m.

    I can't blame BYU for wanting to better itself. By the same token, who can blame Fresno or Nevada? And who can blame Craig Thompson for stepping up to save what could have been the demise of the MWC?

    I've heard some criticism of Thompson (David Locke on 1320) for taking steps to thwart BYU's plan. So what? Doesn't Thompson have a duty to other MWC members besides BYU? Isn't it his job to look out for their interests? What would have happened to Wyoming and Air Force and CSU, et al., if BYU had bolted, Boise State then backs out, and who knows what other dominoes fall? Is Thompson supposed to sit back and do nothing?

  • nehu
    Aug. 20, 2010 1:25 a.m.

    Re: Regis

    You've been hanging out with Kathie Lee too long you Craig lover:)

    Yes universities are not supposed to practice any level of honoring commitments, what are commitments anyways? What are agreements worth? You are right Kathy Lee they are not worth much and after reading your post it has become obvious why.

    Enjoy your life of non-commitment:)

  • Turtle
    Aug. 20, 2010 4:23 a.m.

    To MOUte: "Switching conferences is one thing, playing a part in the demise of conferences is quite another..." Before you make allegations of such, be careful with comments like this...

    Craig Thompson is the cause of most of these ills. He has two things that he cannot get away from: 1) the MTN and 2) the Las Vegas bowl. No wonder BYU wants to do something different - they deserve better after all these years of their patience...

  • Commontater
    Aug. 20, 2010 5:47 a.m.

    It is still amazing to me that BYU hasn't said one word about any of their plans. Not one word look what the media has done with nothing. It's even more amazing that "some fans" believe BYU is the bad guy. They have been looking at every possible thing that makes sense for BYU. In the normal work of the day they talked to the WAC, MWC, and I'm sure many others, but they haven't said one word about their plans.

    All of you, get a life.

  • rvalens2
    Aug. 20, 2010 6:37 a.m.

    Sorry guys, but a weak 16 team Super Conference is not a good idea for the Mountain West.

    If the MWC does that ... look for TCU to bolt from the conference at the first reasonable chance it gets.

    Now, may be the time for the PAC 10/12 to strike yet again and pick up TCU and Texas Tech. As old rivals from the dead Southwest Conference, it would be a good move for them and the PAC would get its longed for footprint in Texas.

    Why would Texas Tech join the PAC? They just hate being the poor step child to Texas and despise the recent shenanigans it took to keep Texas from leaving the conference.

  • ShameonGreed
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:03 a.m.

    Why do I care?

    The MWC is one of the few athletic conferences in the NCAA world that comes across as the real deal. They like to compete in good faith and they behave gentlemanlike and something must be said for decency even in today’s world even in the heavily charged atmosphere of college big business with the ever presence of ESPN and FOX hovering over every important school (in the football business sense that is) 24/7.
    My advice to the MWC is to plan ahead without BYU and grow to thirteen members including BYU (you know BYU won’t forget that this time you were able to react in time to save your mere existence). Utah State and Tulsa look like decent candidates (Houston would create traveling problems for the member schools and you’ll have a WAC scenario all over again and if you don’t learn your lesson then you deserve to perish).

    Kudos to the MWC for reacting the way they did. Will they be ready for the next blow that will surely come in the near future? I truly hope so.

  • ShameonGreed
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:08 a.m.

    This realignment has nothing to do with being selfish it is all about Greed (BYU) and self-preservation (Fresno State and Nevada and the MWC).
    It all started with the PAC 10 going for expansion.

    BYU just started the rumor that they were being considered by the Pac 10 as the next team to be added in addition to the group obtained by Texas from the Big (small) 12 conference (what no finder’s fee? ). We know the truth now: the better fit was Utah and also the lucky school that got asked to the dance thank you. The rest was just spin plain and simple. But this is when things get murky.

    Ever since Utah was asked and accepted their transfer to the Pac 10 BYU ceased to enjoy their mandatory 8 daily hours of sleep and their brass started to plot and plot and plot . . . . well you get the idea and they started to come up with and trash zillion different scenarios but one.

  • ShameonGreed
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:12 a.m.

    WHAT IF? WHAT IF? WHAT IF?

    I got it said the brightest of them all! The key words? Notre Dame. Listen we’ve been dictating the terms for all sports at the MWC and what did that get us in the end? Zilch.

    What if we become the Mountain West Notre Dame (in reality it was more like the MW Texas) we are more Mormon than the Utes (those ingrates after all we have done for them) WE are the darlings of the MW and we have to split every single penny we earn with those hideous schools from everywhere.
    We’ll teach them a lesson.

    Notre Dame is a religious school and they are above the rest just like we are and for that they have been able to remain independent and they are part of the BCS regardless of their record.

  • Hawk
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:16 a.m.

    "Slimy" and "greedy"? Silly utes. After years of crying "holier than thou!" about BYU, you NOW accuse them of greed after you just jumped for the $18MM/yr. And particularly the "active Mormon" ute crowd -- how many times have I heard, "BYU had better not be using my tithing money to support their football team!"? Well they don't, but a measly $1.5MM/yr from the MTN is making it tough. For the athletic department to remain self-sustaining SOMETHING needs to happen -- I would think that ute fans (particularly LDS) would be PLEASED with BYU's actions.

  • ShameonGreed
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:24 a.m.

    The MWC on the other hand knowing that BYU has been manipulating them for years and probably blamed them for not making the cut at the PAC 10 decided that enough is enough and reacted quickly to what BYU was about to befall on them and stroke at the eleventh hour and invited Fresno State and Nevada. MWC actions were dictated by the need to survive as a mid prestigious conference who more often than not has acted like a group of solid citizens and able group of schools regardless of what BYU fanbase keeps saying to the contrary.

    Now you tell me who’s greedy and selfish here?
    BYU thinking was flawed because they are not Notre Dame although they will now try to sell that concept to the MWC and spin their faux-pas as a business plan per se.

  • Pipes
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:27 a.m.

    Craig Thompson is incompetent and needs to go!

  • ShameonGreed
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:32 a.m.

    First of all BYU is truly a religious institution (and this is a compliment not a criticism) something Notre Dame is not (yes I did my due diligence).
    Notre Dame operates as a business model while providing excellent teaching to those who are willing to part with a few precious bucks and being as old and respected as they are and being one the of finest schools to play football in the history of College sports; they have a niche that BYU does not approach (sorry BYU fanbase but it’s the truth).
    Which bring us to the second point: Notre Dame is a national brand like the Yankees or the Dallas Cowboys and that’s why they were able to say no to the Big 10 and kept their reputation as a solid product their fanbase is far too numerous and financially able. Whether that will remain a valid point in the future remains to be seen. I even feel that BYU is actually eyeing the Big Ten in the not so distant future trying to make the Utah market look more promising than it actually might be but hey more power to them for trying.

  • ShameonGreed
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:36 a.m.

    Let them become independent and wish them good luck (I wish them good luck they are a great school no question about that, none) myself. Remember the so called solution to the small 12 conference? Rumor has it that some of the schools are still upset with the conference and with Texas and to a small extent with Oklahoma and you want to stay as far away as possible from a similar situation going forward.
    Why do I care? The MWC is one of the few athletic conferences in the NCAA world that comes across as the real deal. They like to compete in good faith and they behave gentlemanlike and something must be said for decency even in today’s world even in the heavily charged atmosphere of college big business with the ever presence of ESPN and FOX hovering over every important school (in the football business sense that is) 24/7.

  • ShameonGreed
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:38 a.m.

    Let them become independent and wish them good luck (I wish them good luck they are a great school no question about that, none) myself. Remember the so called solution to the small 12 conference? Rumor has it that some of the schools are still upset with the conference and with Texas and to a small extent with Oklahoma and you want to stay as far away as possible from a similar situation going forward.
    Why do I care? The MWC is one of the few athletic conferences in the NCAA world that comes across as the real deal. They like to compete in good faith and they behave gentlemanlike and something must be said for decency even in today’s world even in the heavily charged atmosphere of college big business with the ever presence of ESPN and FOX hovering over every important school (in the football business sense that is) 24/7.

  • ShameonGreed
    Aug. 20, 2010 7:40 a.m.

    My advice to the MWC is to plan ahead without BYU and grow to thirteen members including BYU (you know BYU won’t forget that this time you were able to react in time to save your mere existence). Utah State and Tulsa look like decent candidates (Houston would create traveling problems for the member schools and you’ll have a WAC scenario all over again and if you don’t learn your lesson then you deserve to perish).

    Kudos to the MWC for reacting the way they did. Will they be ready for the next blow that will surely come in the near future? I truly hope so.

  • bradleyc
    Aug. 20, 2010 8:06 a.m.

    Once Utah takes third or fourth in the MWC......

  • Old Timer
    Aug. 20, 2010 8:29 a.m.

    History, relationships, fans, forget it. The"now generation" wants things different and NOW! GREED thats what all of this conference jumping is all about, and "nothing" else. Everyone thinks they are top dog today and want to be first at everything they do. Look at todays drivers on the highways, the big businesses, the politicans, just to mention a few who put GREED and themselves before anything else in the world! It's sickening and a travesty, but oh well go "now generation" go, after all you got all the answers and the "REAL" builders of this great country who are aged now don't know anything and their ideas are out of touch with society. WOW! Team sports have turned into nothing more than "ROTTEN GARBAGE".

  • R.Burgundy
    Aug. 20, 2010 8:49 a.m.

    Here is what is happening: BYU is looking into getting a invite from the Big 12 somtime before Sept 1 and ESPN is helping their cause. BYU and ESPN just need to convince Texas and then it's a done deal. BYU will help Texas with their own TV Network if they are invited. If this falls apart, BYU and some other Schools with ESPN help will be forming a new Conference Starting in 2011. The Y is waiting to hear back from the Big 12! Stay Tuned!!

  • History Nut
    Aug. 20, 2010 8:56 a.m.

    Further evidence that big time football is incompatible with the purpose of a university.

  • Linus
    Aug. 20, 2010 9:20 a.m.

    Face it; this is the most exciting chess game you and I have ever watched. Anonymous sources and conference commissioners are making moves that surprise and frustrate each other and entertain the rest of us.

    I find it interesting that Utah tipped the first domino, but BYU, which is still studying the game board, is blamed for massive disruption. This seems to validate Utah's irrelevance and BYU's immense significance.

  • sidmiser
    Aug. 20, 2010 9:26 a.m.

    The WAC is pretty much drained of relevancy now that BYU surely will stay in Mountain West. I really love the Y and hope they will remain in the MWC until such time a better opportunity for the school presents itself. Independency for the football program and conference play (especially in the WAC) is not a better opportunity.

  • MESOUTE
    Aug. 20, 2010 9:33 a.m.

    Of the 50 or so comments on here shameongreed has contributed roughly half. Come on pal, if you want everyone to know your stances so badly you should have become a journalist. I think BYU should bolt, even though all of the talk on here of "deserving" is ridiculous. I also agree that the BIG 12 is the ultimate goal and BYU is begging them right now for an invite. I hope they get it, along with TCU, that is a no-brainer.

  • Cougarista
    Aug. 20, 2010 10:09 a.m.

    BYU is acting in its own best interests. Show me a school that is not doing the same. Nothing illegal or unethical has happened. Get over it UNLV, etc.

  • Henry Drummond
    Aug. 20, 2010 10:15 a.m.

    I get it!

    If BYU moves to the WAC that's business. If Fresno State & Nevada move to the MWC that's stealing. If BYU wants to go independent to make more money that's business. If Fresno State & Nevada move to the MWC to cut costs, that's selfish.

    I see the difference now.

  • VegasUte
    Aug. 20, 2010 12:01 p.m.

    Well I think ..... wait a minute, I don't have to think on this subject. We have a GREAT AD.

    Utah - smelling like roses!!

  • 9er4life
    Aug. 20, 2010 12:03 p.m.

    Geez, how embarrassing is this to the lds church. The national media is ripping yBu for assuming they are half-equal to Notre Dame and acting like they can have bargaining power like Texas. Being in the MWC is obviously their best option. They need to apologize to the MWC commissioner before they lose their affiliation with MWC.

  • donburi
    Aug. 20, 2010 12:04 p.m.

    I don't know if a combined MWC/WAC would be good, but if it happened, hopefully they'll put Benson in charge and dump Thompson.

  • ConferenceofChampions
    Aug. 20, 2010 12:05 p.m.

    16 team mega conference called super-wac

    Perfectly describes this situation

    Sitting back watching it all unfold. Its great to be a Utah fan.

  • davidutefan
    Aug. 20, 2010 12:22 p.m.

    I may be missing something here but, for any school it's about revenue. Whether it's the TDS going independent, Utah joining the PAC or Nevada and Fresno joining the MWC. They're all doing what they believe what is best for their respective Universities. Without said revenue, you can't compete against the BCS. The only team that appears honorable to me is USU. I heard a report they were offered admission to the MWC and turned it down partially because of their ties to the TDS situation. I just don't understand how fans in provo believe they'll have the leverage of a Notre Dame. Lavell was a great coach but, he's retired. One nat'l championship 25 years ago that started all this mess doesn't even come close to the history of the Irish. I have BYUTV on my satellite but, the only time I ever watched it was for a Thurl Bailey fireside. This isn't "Field of Dreams," If you build it, no one will care.

  • mountains101
    Aug. 20, 2010 12:24 p.m.

    "Only a fool or person with no knowledge of the facts would say byu looks slimey or was trying to harm the mwc. They made their demands clear and were told to drop dead. So they looked elsewhere."

    Hilarious. BYU orchestrates the $5 million dollar clause to stop people from leaving, once it leaves itself to go to the WAC.. they just got outplayed at the poker table, that's all.. That above statement is just ridiculous.

  • coachjbp
    Aug. 20, 2010 1:08 p.m.

    Dear BYU - Just DOIT

    Was it a leak? Hard to say since it has been since early this summer that things have been studied and evaluated.

    Is the holdup approval from the church? Seems like that should have been requested long before now?

    If the hold up is due to uncertainty then just DOIT! The cost of confusion, doubt, uncertainty are far greater than a few bumps in the road of the future.

  • coachjbp
    Aug. 20, 2010 1:15 p.m.

    I am puzzled.

    There has been no invite from any BCS conference. Where does this illusion that any BCS conference will invite BYU.

    BYU has to do what they can do, control what is within their power to control.

    BCS has not happened. It is about the money honey. They have not shared it, most likely will never share it. So let go of this illusion.

  • Desert Coug
    Aug. 20, 2010 2:30 p.m.

    Let's see what happens. Perhaps BYU will drop athletics all together.....

  • jonjon
    Aug. 20, 2010 2:45 p.m.

    Greed, if that's what you want to call it, isn't bad if you use the money the right way. They're trying to build up BYU-TV which would create a ton more jobs and give the employees a bigger National Audience. Plus the local business economy will boom when we're able to get bigger schools to come out here (like Texas). Not using your talents and resources to better those in the community seems like a bigger waste than go after more money. Let the smaller schools figure it out for themselves.

  • jonjon
    Aug. 20, 2010 3:03 p.m.

    Greed, if that's what you want to call it, isn't bad if you use the money the right way. They're trying to build up BYU-TV which would create a ton more jobs and give the employees a bigger National Audience. Plus the local business economy will boom when we're able to get bigger schools to come out here (like Texas). Not using your talents and resources to better those in the community seems like a bigger waste than go after more money. Let the smaller schools figure it out for themselves.

  • wyoming cougar
    Aug. 20, 2010 3:38 p.m.

    re: "Henry Drummond | 10:15 a.m. Aug. 20, 2010
    I get it!

    If BYU moves to the WAC that's business. If Fresno State & Nevada move to the MWC that's stealing. If BYU wants to go independent to make more money that's business. If Fresno State & Nevada move to the MWC to cut costs, that's selfish.

    I see the difference now."


    Oh do you really mr drummond- how wonderfully hypocritical of you- what was it for utah wanting to leave the MWC & go to the pac-10 to make more money? Business, or selfish?


    The majority of you utah fans are about as hypocritical as they come- BYU has been considering options long before utah bolted, but now they're the greedy and selfish institution while utah should be held on a higher pedestal. Unfortunately for utah fans, if not for BYU dragging your sorry teams along for a few decades, you wouldn't be anywhere near where you are today- but BYU is the evil empire for trying to better themselves?

    The hypocrisy is thick here.



  • Aggie84
    Aug. 20, 2010 3:43 p.m.

    Seems like the U is going unscaved in all this scandal. Were they not the first team to throw the first rock? Seems like the U ought to be scrutinized for greed and breaking away from the MWC. Just a thought to consider for all those who are taking shots at the Y. Believe me, as an Aggie I can't believe I'm writing anything positive towards the Y. Maybe the moon is in some kind of funky position.

  • regis
    Aug. 20, 2010 4:28 p.m.

    Nehu:

    What do you mean "honor commitments"? Fresno and (presumably) Nevada committed to pay a $5 million fee if they exited the WAC within a prescribed period. And they will, I assume, honor that commitment.

    What about BYU? Is it "honorable" to go behind your partners' backs trying to prearrange deals that could lead to severe difficulties for those partners? (Note: BYU has a history of this sort of thing, conspiring as they did with Utah and the rest to leave and form the MWC a decade ago.)

    Of all parties involved, I would say BYU's actions are the most questionable.

    And yet, as I said earlier, I don't blame BYU for looking out for its own interests. Nor do I blame Fresno, Nevada, or the MWC/Thompson.

  • donburi
    Aug. 20, 2010 4:37 p.m.

    Nobody is being slimy or greedy. It's called SURVIVAL. All schools are just doing the best they can - nothing wrong with that. It's more like a big chess match. It is unfortunate that when the dust settles, some schools will end up with the short straw, and there could be many.

    I don't like Thompson inviting FS and NV since it messed up BYU's plan, but it was just his counter-move in the chess match.

    USU deciding to stay put was their move.

    We'll just have to see what the next moves are. There are still many possibilities. Stay tuned - this chess match is far from over.

  • LivinLarge
    Aug. 20, 2010 5:06 p.m.

    If BYU goes back to the WAC, then they should tear down the Richards PE building and rebuild the football stadium there...because the fans will be watching the U play at home or on TV in a REAL Division I conference!!!

  • donburi
    Aug. 20, 2010 5:48 p.m.

    P.S. Thompson pretty much created this whole situation due to his lack of vision over the years. If he had created a better conference, BYU wouldn't be trying to get out. Instead of stealing schools from the WAC to survive, he should be improving the MWC so schools don't want to leave. No vision...

  • Old Timer
    Aug. 20, 2010 5:59 p.m.

    All of this blowing of every ones bugles is overbearing. This whole travesty will blow over and everyone will be happy with the results in the end. There is one issue I believe will not be accepted very much for a big part of Utahns though. What will the Ute supporters be saying in 5 years when they haven't ever challenged for a conference title? I'm just saying it's one thing too go big, it's another to compete!

  • satch
    Aug. 20, 2010 6:27 p.m.

    The BIG 12 would be a good fit for BYU. If ESPN can work this with the BIG 12 I think it would be better for all parties. Add BYU & TCU and then you have your Big 12 Championship Game.

    I love to see TCU (or even BSU) & BYU leave just to spite Craig Thompson who always touts his loyalty to all the schools of the MWC but has done everything he can over the years to hurt BYU. Then the MWC would be nothing than the WAC 2.

    Of course it is no one's fault the MTN network appeared. I have hated that network since day one!

  • BSU BRONCO!!
    Aug. 21, 2010 12:04 a.m.

    Everyone stay calm! BSU and BYU need to make the leap into a new conferance and others will follow. Take BYU, BSU, TCU, Air Force, Nevada, UNLV, Fresno State, SDSU, and then add Tulsa, Houston, Utep, and SMU. Have a contract with ESPN while the local media also broadcast games. This will be a stronger conference and have a better chance of being an AQ then what we have now. Anyone agree?

  • playmaker
    Aug. 21, 2010 12:31 a.m.

    BYU comes across in all the press as slimey. Under the table deals, promises not kept, all because they think their enitre university revolves around their football team. The only in state winner right now is University of Utah. Utah State looks like it gets the worst, and BYU takes a step down, no matter what they do now. The only way to salvage an already bad situation for utah college atheletics, is for BYU to stay in the MWC, and Utah State to break their deal with the WAC and join the MWC. Sure, that leaves the remaining WAC teams hanging, but they'll find a home in a new super 12 team plus league.

  • eagle
    Aug. 21, 2010 1:11 a.m.

    On ESPN's PTI show: "Happy Trails Western Athletic Conference also known as The WAC."

    Yeah, this got a whole 10 seconds on PTI. I guess this is much about nothing outside of Utah.

  • MiP
    Aug. 21, 2010 9:39 a.m.

    Decent article from Mr. Rock.

    THe MWC and WAC WERE pretty close, with the slight edge to MWC. But when BSU left that edge became a wide split.

    BYU bolting for the WAC only seems like their trying to avoid the Broncos; trying to be the "Big Fish" once again.

    Let's face it: unless BYU is top dog and master of the universe, it (and its fans) will not be satisfied. It's a superiority complex. These theatrics and drama queen action is exactly what Holmoe and his fans are hoping for: a lot of hype about nothing at all.

    This massive controversy is barely a blip on the national radar.

    I'm all for the church run school to look out for it's interests as well as the interests of its student athletes. But the same goes for Nevada, Utah and Boise State.