This is the beginning of the end for BYU football.
.... or the beginning of life on a bigger stage.
This is an agressive move by BYU that says we're going to be independent unless
a better deal comes quickly: Option 1: I doubt the Big 12 is going to ask them
to join the Big 12 but that would be a better move. Option 2; BYU stays with
the Mountain West with a more favorable TV deal with the MWC. This is something
similar to what Texas did when offered an invitation to the PAC 10 and they
improved their TV revenue. I'll bet BYU is wanting a sweet deal, they'll get it
and stay put.Option 3: They go independent and get a chance to play
whoever they want and have their own network to get revenue and national respect
as they play Notre Dame, PAC 10 schools, Big 12 schools, Utah and Utah State.
No brainer, 5 x the money, 5 x the exposure and if for any reason it does not
work out, they have their pick of WAC and MWC anytime they ever want to go
back!BYU just has to help bolster the WAC and pull some teams along
with them that want to keep their BYU rivalry going! SD State, UNLV, BSU, heck
even TCU, Houston and UTEP might follow if promised consistent games year in and
out with BYU along with a true National audience on TV!! If even a couple of
those follow, Fresno and Nevada may reconsider! Perhaps they could just raid
Conf. USA for SMU, Rice and UTEP, but I like the idea of sticking it to Craig
Thompson, that guy is a horrible commish and needs to be FIRED!
Re: StenarWhat evidence do you base your analysis on? Is it just a
feeling you have, or it's based on factual merit. I'd love to understand the
epistemology of your argument on the demise of BYU football.
I think the football team will be OK. But having a son who is a student
athlete in another sport at BYU, I worry how he'll be affected now that there is
no stable conference to affiliate with. The WAC looks like they might implode.
Then what are all the non football sports playing for if there is no
conference?I think this a huge gamble that might pay off but might
fizzle out altogether.
Utah moves to the Pac 10 and BYU basically moves to the WAC (if rumors are
true). I know their football team will be Independent, but with all their other
teams in the WAC, it pretty much makes them a WAC team. I wouldn't be surprised
if the majority of their games would be against WAC teams when they do their
schedule. Maybe that is BYU's plan, to purposely fail at being
independent so they can move back to the WAC. Now with BSU gone, it will be
easy for them to dominate that conference and finally get into a BCS game lol. I
am sure by then USU will be dominating them.
Classic Utah County business practice of a pyramid scheme. Nice to see BYU got
caught in it and are now in a seriously bad position. WAC is no more and BYU is
YES!Finally BYU can take control of its own destiny.No
more MTN. No more being punished for not playing Sundays.Army, Navy,
Notre Dame, and now BYU.That's thinking outside the box!
This is potentially a HUGE improvement for BYU Athletics, assuming every piece
falls in order. If ESPN and the BCS are willing to help BYU go independent as
far as scheduling and broadcasting and as well as allowing BYU the chance to
play in a BCS bowl game, then there is nothing wrong with this move. Financially
BYU can do it, that's not holding them back right now. What concerns me is the
potential to be locked out of the parties, (which when you look at it, that is
where we are right now and will be for the next 2 years). I look forward to
hearing the new developments and will watch closely
This is the beginning of the start of BYU Football!BYU will remain
in the MWC with the announcement of Fresno and UNR joining the league. The WAC
is history, as Hawaii will be going independent, LaTech joining CUSA, and Utah
State or UTEP being invited into the MWC to round-out a 12-team league.The MWC's new CBSC contract will give weekly exposure in more homes across the
country via Dish and DirecTV.BCS qualifying is also in the mix for
the new-enlarged MWC.With TCU's Gary Patterson hinting of more teams
moving around the country, BYU will be staying in the MWC as things unfold.Go Cougars!
This didn't shake up the college football world at all. Maybe the city of Provo
and the rest of the zoobs state wide. They would be playing teams in the WAC,
thus still not proving anything as far as becoming a dominant force in college
football. They still would get rocked once they faced a half decent opponent
and their recruiting base just got smaller. Great move cougars. FYI Boise
State and TCU have been to a BCS game Utah State hasn't and probably never will.
Your competition is becoming more pathetic.
I could see a possible switch, with UNLV, SDSU, BYU going to WAC, as Boise, Nev,
FSU go over to the MWC...if Y has decided to go independent in just football, it
would be exciting for Y fans, and great to see them taking total responsibility
for their own program, that being what the LDS Church has long preached,
"self-reliance" and freedom from being controlled, "act, instead of being acted
upon."..........another possibility might be eventual new MWC by increasing to a
"super-league" with, say, 16 teams, 2 divisions, made up of the best MWC & WAC
teams. Of all the teams, considering all sports, BYU is top of the class.
Money generated by going independent would also be a plus for a Church school
whose mission is to reach out worldwide its influence to increase the good and
give more choice to as many as possible.
When you consider the dynamics of BYU football, from a 70,000 seat football
stadium, an LDS base nationwide that includes athletes desperate to play for the
team, and a very long traditional of competition...this is just the beginning of
BYU football.I hope they go independent. The downside, they don't
get to play for a championship? I remember the year BYU played Wyoming in the
WAC Championship in Vegas. They beat them, did nothing to enhance the bowl they
went to and ruined Ituli Mili's knee on a bad tackle. If they create a four
conference super league BYU is just as likely to get an invite as an
independent, as they would a member of the MWC. And in a four conference super
league zero chance (ZERO) the the MWC is one of those four conferences. If
anything BYU, TCU and Boise St are raided. Going independent doesn't change this
a bit.And BYU plays in front of 150 million TV sets, with ESPN
helping in transition with some games like Norte Dame on CBS...hmmmmDo it!
Interesting to think that there might be no MWC teams in Utah.
@StenarMust be a Ute fan.Independence is the beginning
of a new era for BYU and is long overdue. I hope they connect to the WCC for
the other sports. But for football, BYU has its own destiny in its hands.Going independent will mean more exposure and better scheduling. It
also means that BYU might still be able to schedule the Utes on a yearly basis
(though I was hoping for a year or two break so things can calm down). I would
expect Utah, Utah St. yearly, Notre Dame and Navy more and a smattering of SEC,
B10, B12 and PAC teams. The only bad teams that would be on the schedule would
be the close regional ones. Hopefully the Utes won't be one of the bad games.
By- By- football relevence at BYU....
With the WAC now only going to have 6 teams, it will be interesting to see how
things shake out. While I'm sure that the WAC will find two new teams to add (at
least I hope they can), I wonder if that will change how much BYU wants to
affiliate with them?While BYU going independent might end up being
an awesome thing for them (but maybe not), my personal hope is that BYU stays in
the MWC and that the MWC adds one more team to bring it to 12 teams which means:
Conference Championship! (Perhaps the MWC could swing a deal where BYU still
gets to broadcast games on BYU TV?)And as long as I'm dreaming of
things that probably won't happen, I would like that 12th team to be Utah State.
It geographically makes a ton of sense, they're a strong basketball school, and
their football program is on the rise. (I'm a big believer in what Gary Anderson
is doing / capable of doing.)Granted, as football drives the
Benjamins, I bet that in such a scenario the MWC goes for Houston.
WAC? What WAC? Pay attention folks. There are now 6 teams in the WAC. The
best of the bunch being....Idaho? Hawaii? You want to stick your sports there?
Independence for football, with other sports playing in the WAC,
made sense. More money from football, a group of 7 WAC teams to help fill in
late-season scheduling issues, a much worse conference for other sports but
still a conference non the less to help with scheduling those events.With the WAC being blown up, where does BYU turn? WCC? Disband all other
sports? All sports cannot be independent, that's been made pretty clear. So
now what? Crawl back to the MWC it looks like.BYU got outsmarted by
the most unlikely suspect, one CRAIG THOMPSON. He destroyed the WAC, leaving
BYU nowhere to go. BYU was either set on leaving, or trying to show the clout
they think they have, and both got a nice swift kick to the chin by Thompson.
Take your place at the MWC table, and be quiet, and keep fighting for 3d place
behind TCU and Boise.
Creative1 - I think what you meant to say was: "Buy! Buy! football relevance at
BYU"I know I'm "buying" into this independence notion.
O the drama!Some serious math needs to be done regarding the BCS
review process. If the MWC has a legit shot at becoming a member of the money
party, BYU should certainly stay. If the MWC will allow member schools more
flexibility in getting out their own TV coverage (since the Mtn is pathetic)
that might be enough to keep BYU in too.Right now, BYU is still the
biggest earning team in the conference and now they are slicing up the small pie
even more...all the MWC did today was make the WAC worse, and the MWC at best
marginally better.Big 12 = BYU ideal landing spot in a few years.
Indpendence + MWC in other sports is 2nd. Otherwise, stay at home Cougars.
Whos in charge down there? This is a mess of epic proportion. Did Holmoe do
his dd? Looks like this whole game of poker is about to backfire in his face.
So glad we have Chris Hill in charge at the U
BYU's upcoming declaration of independence will be the greatest step forward for
a storied football program and a huge leap for a university whose mission
statement has always remained intact. It's good to see organizations that aren't
swayed by the winds of popular opinion. Go Cougs!
FORGET THE WAC... AND FORGET THE MWC...Go independent in football
and join the West Coast Conference in all other sports. WCC commish Jamie
Zaninovich has reached out to BYU, according to ESPN's Andy Katz. This would be
awesome. All of the schools in the WCC are private religious institutions, so
BYU would fit in so perfectly there. All of the markets they would be playing in
have heavy LDS populations. WCC hoops is very strong, and a great rivalry with
Gonzaga would emerge.Oh, by the way, the WCC already has a great TV
deal with ESPN...WCC.... make that happen Holmoe!!!
Just wondering...if all these also ran schools are so desperate to play byu why
did Nevada and Fresno State bolt in a matter of hours when it appeared byu would
likely be regularly scheduling them? Personally I don't think UNLV,
SDSU, etc. have much interest in going to a league on life support. Finally, if
byu has no other option than going to the WCC (no football) what will their late
season schedule look like? Teams in the midst of conference championship races
probably won't be interested in an excursion to provo and playing irrelevent
teams will quickly drop byu from the spot light. Seems like a very risky
Going independent in football is a bit more arrogance than I would expect from
BYU. Is this pride before a fall? Or is this brillant? I guess time will
Seems like a rather knee-jerk, "we've gotta do something, no matter what it is"
move by BYU in reaction to Utah moving to the Pac-12. A conference affiliation
is the best situation for all BYU sports. Essentially rejoining the WAC in all
sports but football is a step backward. BYU ought to remain in the MWC for now,
especially with Fresno State, Nevada, and Boise State coming on board.
Thompson has already noted that there will be not be any changes to the current
broadcasting agreement until it is up in 2016. This means that as long as BYU
is in the MWC, the option to broadcast the games will not be an option. The MWC
conference needs BYU in football more than BYU needs the MWC. The other sports
need a conference so even a toned down WAC might be better since the other
sports are irrelevant in the big scheme of things. Rumors about moving the
other sports to the WCC are starting up but all I know is they have a decent top
of the league in Basketball, don't know about the lower part or other
sports....can someone shed some light on that?
Nice move by Thompson to pick up Reno and Fresno, that makes BYU's decision a
little bit tougher. While going independent might help with revenue and exposure it won't make BYU
a better football team. I don't think independence will have a major
impact on recruiting. BYU already has abundant exposure nationwide. In fact, if
they end up filling their schedule with WAC leftovers recruiting might start
falling off especially with in-state kids that could play in the Pac 10 with
Utah. I don't really see independence as a fast path to the BCS. If
they win in the MWC they'll get to a BCS bowl just the same as in an independent
scenario (ask TCU and Utah - then ask Army and Navy). If it makes
financial sense and allows the church-run school to be independent from Sunday
games etc. then I think it's justified, but I don't see it as a move that
benefits the football program in a major way.
I'm a BYU alum and have been a HUGE fan my whole life (and will continue to be),
but this is the worst idea EVER to come out of BYU!
So glad Im a Utah fan. This is a debacle of epic perportion. Who's running the
ship down there?
Way to go BYU!!! You are now back in the WAC!! The U upgraded to the PAC-12 and
BYU downgraded to the WAC. Yes BYU fans you went to the WAC, all of your
athletic programs are going to play in the WAC therefore you are a WAC team.
Don't tell me your Football team is independent when 5 of its games are with WAC
teams. BYU just joined the WAC.
Craig Thompson is playing hard ball with both BYU and the WAC. It looks like
the MWC and the WAC are in all out war and the loser will be left in shambles.
BYU now has a very hard decison to make now that Thompson has Nevada and Fresno
St coming over. Now more mouths to feed with 11 teams they will need to go to
12 teams to have a conference championship game. Going Independent is a huge
risk and could leave all the other programs at BYU in a very weak WAC. Football
is king but the Basketball team should also be considered. 4 MWC teams made the
NCAA tournament last year, the WAC had 1. We will see who has the better poker
hand when all is said and done.
Who do you play in November? Army, Navy, Notre Dame.Who do you play
in September and October? Utah, Utah State, Boise State, TCU -- teams that want
their games SEEN.Who else to you play in Sept and Oct? Texas,
Florida State, Ohio State -- anyone who wants their games broadcast WORLD WIDE
on ESPN AND BYU's network.I'm just sayin'
Once the dust settles, the WCC might be a player in this story. Here is a little
background on this conference. They have 8 schools in their league, and are all
religiously affiliated, like BYU. The schools are: Institution
Location EnrollmentGonzaga University Spokane, WA6,375Loyola Marymount Univ Los Angeles8,300Pepperdine University
Malibu, CA8,000University of Portland Portland, OR3,300Saint Mary's College Moraga, CA4,768University of San Diego San
Diego CA7,548Univ of San Francisco San Francisco8,000Santa Clara University Santa Clara8,377"The Conference is
characterized its unique emphasis on combining excellence in athletics with
academics, and is built on the foundation of values, character, and
academics."These values are compatible with those at BYU. At first
glance one may overlook this little conference, but a second look might create
an intriguing consideration.
There is an abundance of arrogance and a durth of facts swirling around today.
The 'haters' have more fodder and the 'fans' have questions and hope. The more
things change, the more they stay the same. The only real questions is ... are
you a BYU FAN or a HATER. Haters ... get a life beyond hating BYU
or you'll have a sour, weened on a pickle life.Fans ... don't become
a UofU hater. The venom's not worth the effects. GO BYU!
You just don't get it. The MTN is NEVER going to be a BCS conference. It's TV
contract has no value. BYU has no better option than going independent. BYU and Utah had home attendance of 64000 and 45000. That leaves TCU
with 45000 as the flagship. They might wise up and make a move. BSU
left an opening with ESPN by joining the MTN. BYU has jumped on a national TV
opportunity that gets EVERY one of their games (including minor sports) on
national/international TV. BYU exposure takes a quantum leap. The
recruiting improves. They make more money. They can upgrade the schedule by
replacing Intermountain teams with medium BCS teams around the country. BYU finally drops the regional myopic shackles. It is not a Utah or
regional team. If independence does not work then BYU joins the WAC.
How well did that serve BSU? Very well. This is a big winner for
BYU. The risk is less than thought (BSU in the WAC). The MTN was NEVER going to
serve BYU's best interest because it CAN'T. Utah bolted why should
I've read about two dozen spins on this story, and anyone of them might be true.
However, the bottom line is this, if BYU wants to have success in the next few
years and beyond as an independent (football) they MUST win their games this
year to get the respect going from the BCS teams they want to play in the
future. That means beating FS, TCU and Utah all on their fields. If this
happens, BYU could write their storybook ending as they want.
I HAVE A GREAT IDEASeriously. A MWC with 11-12 teams cannot do a
full round-robin in football. So schedule each year based on the prior year,
with all the top teams still playing each other and the bottom teams playing
each other, without cross-over.That means BSU, TCU and BYU would NOT
HAVE TO PLAY THE WEAK teams every year. It would significantly bolster their
computer and human rankings. Eventually, this probably leads to relegating or
branching out and forming another strong league, dropping the weakest members.
Still laughing about these scenarios. Life long Cougar fan hopes we stay in the
MWC and convince Houston to come on in.Rivalries area based
BYU vrs BSU TCU Houston SDS
Fresno UNLV Reno Wyoming CSU AFA
New Mexico6 team alignmentsWestBYU, BSU, SDS,
Fresno, UNLV, RenoandEastTCU, Houston, Wyoming, CSU,
AFA, New Mexico Conference ChampionshipHold it at the top
ranked school, guarantees a sellout.The basketball league will be
pretty strong as well. Baseball will be strengthened with FSU. I
like it. Let's do it.
It's a great time to be a Ute and a member of the elite Conference of
Champions.It's too bad that BYU doesn't have someone of Chris Hill's
caliber running the show.
How does this possibly create more exposure for byu? I realize The Mtn's
footprint in limited but not many people outside of Utah are going to tune in to
byu-tv, who aren't already byu fans. And those fans likely already have a
network that gets The Mtn. I do not see how this creates more exposure for
byu and even if is does, it's not going to expand their limited recruiting pool.
Independence in football and the WCC for everything else looks really good. So
the MWC added Nevada and Fresno St? Big deal. It may ruin the WAC, but it
doesn't make the MWC any better. When BYU goes independent in football, the MWC
will have to wind up taking even more teams from the WAC, making it one big joke
of a conference like the old 16-team WAC that failed miserably. There is no
reason BYU should have to put up with The Mountain tv deal. There's no reason
they should have to keep playing teams like UNLV and Colorado State in football.
If the WCC is willing to take on BYU's other sports, BYU should jump on it.
Gotta love the Ute fans or perhaps more accurately, BYU haters - First they rip
the Cougars for being left in the MWC. Now the Y makes a bold move and the same
folks are jabbering about how arrogant or stupid it is. How does one get to be
so myopic in perspective?
Their schedule will be BETTER.More exposure.More excitement.Better TV coverage.Better BCS chances.More $.What's
not to like?I'll take my three Utah letter jackets and cheer for the
Y again...since 1965!
Scheduling is also less problematic than thought. The WAC can provide 4-5 games.
BSU will "play anyone, any time". Utah will be under local pressure to keep the
rivalry. A BYU/AF game makes a nice ESPN draw. Ditto for Army and Navy. That leaves a about 3-4 games from BCS conferences. BYU has been doing a
couple of those anyway each year. The SOS will likely be better than most BCS
contenders. This is very doable. ESPN can be counted on to provide a
couple of really good money making national interest games. BYU has
to win on the national stage. That is the hardest part. However,
just being on the national stage instead of buried in obscurity will help the
recruiting. BYU will start getting a lot more speed and specialty non member
athletes who will keep the standards. The MTN is not going to serve
BYU's long run goals. It just does not have the capability.
If BYU can schedule Army, Navy, Notre Dame, Utah, and Utah State every year.
Then get one or two BCS games with eastern schools like Florida State or Penn
State to kick off each season. Then add a few patsies who need the money to fill
out the schedule, they would have every argument for a BCS bowl and, in some
years, an argument for a BCS championship with a perfect season.They
keep ALL the revenue from TV deals and bowl appearances. They broaden the
exposure of BYU (the stated mission of the program) to a world audience. They
don't travel to Laramie in the middle of winter or put up with bigotry in the
pit. Then, they align with the WCC which will strengthen their men's
basketball standing (the only other non-money-losing sport at BYU), and they
will be aligned with other private universities that are also mission driven.
And traveling to CA and WA to play in the WCC is sweet for the athletes. And
they televise it all for everyone to see thus promoting BYU's image and the
image of other religious universities...Am I missing something here?
Three things to consider:1) The MWC is mess with or without BYU.
Thompson's Mtn. "network" has been a complete disaster both from a $ and quality
perspective. Now they've added two more teams who will share the same measly
revenue??? Without the pie getting any bigger that makes absolutely no
sense.2)Utah fans talk about the BYU arrogance but already act as if
they have already won and will continue to win every PAC 12 championship. Oh,
the irony...3)Anyone who thinks this, or for that matter, the entire
conference alignment picture is finished is mistaken. This will continue to
evolve - likely into a four super-conference scenario... BYU's positioning for
that possible day is unaffected by conference affiliation or independence.
Independence, in the meantime, means more control and more revenue.
I think the WAC and MWC should join and split teams geographically into two
divisions. Allow BYU to have its own TV contract -- same as Texas in their
league deal. The BCS can't reject a champion from all WAC + MWC teams and still
have any credibility whatsoever.
Sure if funny listening to the Ute fans rant on this blog and BYU hasn't done
anything yet. Why would they rant here if they don't have anything to do with
the MWC anyhow? BYU will always do what's in their best interest and if this is,
then they'll do it. I am sure this is not a knee jerk reaction like many are
talking about. Who knows, this could have just been a ploy to lure Nevada and
Fresno State to the league. Funny how some think this is the end to BYU
football. What a bunch of dorks. They can only see what is in front of their
noses. BYU does not make moves unless it has thought it out very carefully. We
will be fine either way.
Talk about throwing the rest of your sports teams under the bus. BYU as an
independent in football is at best risky. Stay in the MWC and prove you can beat
Boise State and TCU first. There are other sports programs at BYU that are
nationally ranked and this throws them into a worse position. Recruiting will
suffer. I want to hear from Coach Rose and the basketball program. You gain
nothing scheduling Utah State in football. Restructure the MTN TV deal and work
here first. Prove yourself on the field in football against the competition you
already have then look at your options. My guess is that looking at 3rd place in
the MWC in football is not that good of a view. You know what they say about a
cattle drive, "if you are not the lead cow the view is always the same."
Just got a tweet..TCU and BYU are going to the Big 12, replacing CU
and Neb. Big-time football arrives in Provo with Longhorns and Sooners coming
in every so often..sweet!
Explain to me how this is a good thing. They will no longer be playing for a
conference championship; no longer playing for a BCS championship (don't kid
yourselves. If they can't make it within the MWC they won't make it as an
independent--just look at how successful Notre Dame as been). You can't tell me
that BYU players are going to be excited to be appearing on BYU TV. So with all of those incentives taken away, how does Bronco keep his players
motivated? This is not just a dumb idea. It is stupid. It will kill
recruiting. How do you sell a program that plays for no championships and no
automatic bowls?Stay in the MWC. It is getting better with the
addition of Boise. BYU should work on improving its product and see if they
become more attractive to the Big 12 or Big 10. But I think BYU should work on
improving the MWC and make it an AQ conference.Utah's move may be
monetarily beneficial but consistent 7-5, 8-4 and 6-6 seasons will not keep the
fan base happy. Vegas Bowl, here they come.
Until some major proof is shown I won't trust anything about BYU heading to the
Big-12. Lets hope for the best but not get ourselves carried away.
Utah fans are an absolute joke. They reign down doom and gloom on BYU with no
educational intelligence at all. Bottom line is this...Its obvious that losing
Utah to the PAC 10 hurt the MWC. Even with BSU, the MWC is insignificant to the
other BCS schools, just like the WAC. BYU got shunned by BCS conference
expansion and left to fester in the deadend MWC.This possibility to
go independent shook up the pot, which was sorely needed, and it worked. Notice
FSU and UN are now apart of the MWC making it a now stronger league if BYU is
convinced to stay. One more team and you have a 12 team league with a
championship game, which will be difficult for the BCS to ignore for long.If BYU still goes independent, then it works to their advantage with
revenue, scheduling flexibility and national exposure. They have the means and
the following to do it. Also sets them up for when the Big XII comes calling,
and don't pretend that they won't come calling. They will need 12 teams
eventually to keep up with the SEC, Big 10, and PAC 12. Much better fit.
What if Igualmente turned out to be the original source for all of this
craziness? I would never trust internet again.
This is a train wreck of epic perportions. Im so glad Utah is not caught up in
this self inflicted mess. Nice due dilligence Holmoe.
Like another poster stated, "BYU's jealousy at Utah
joining the PAC-10/12 is driving this whole unfortunate set of circumstances".
I think they should add the remaining 6 teams from the wac to the mwc and call
the new conference "super-wac(k)"It's pretty descriptive of this
BYU is to be commended for this bold move.It's this kind of spirit and
determination which made America great. It exemplifies freedom and the American
way. GO COUGS!
So many what ifs with all the news in the last two days. If CBSC wants a larger
footprint, are they offering more money? If what Thompson said about expansion
is true, then why have invitations not been extended to Houston, Tulsa, or UTEP.
These teams sew up TX and OK. As the WAC implodes, perhaps even New Mexico
State. The MWC does not need UT State, as some have suggested. In this case,
the MWC will look like the old WAC 16-team super conference. Generally, I like
the idea of independence. However, the WAC proposal I do not believe is a
viable option now. Perhaps western basketball-only conferences such as West
Coast or Big West may be other options. The concern about independence is bowl
tie-ins at the end of the year. I think television and the BCS can be worked
out. This will be interesting to see how it all plays out. In the end, I hope
BYU has a better TV deal. They carry the MWC, even when other teams perform
better (i.e. UT and TCU).
This is hilarious. BYU just got worked by Craig Thompson.I DARE
them to go independent in football and take their other sports to the WCC, which
means they'd have to drop a few sports, and they'll be playing most of their
away games in gymnasiums.BYU is what they are. A program that can't
get special concessions from a bad MWC conference, and a program that isn't
attractive enough for the BCS conferences. yet, their self-perception is that
they're Notre Dame. That misallignment is much like their perception of
being a relevant football program, even though both Jim Rome and Colin Cowherd
reiterated today that they haven't been nationally relevant since 1984. As a Utah fan, I'm laughing all the way to Pasadena and $18 million a
year . . .
Stay in the MWC BYU... the independent move is a huge mistake, and suicide for
the lesser programs. Add Houston, and maybe add Tulsa if you can kill off
Wyoming. Create a 12 team, two division conference with a west featuring BYU,
Boise, Fresno, San Diego, UNLV and Nevada and an East featuring TCU, Houston,
New Mexico, Air Force, CSU and Wyoming/Tulsa. I don't buy for a
second that BYU will have some great schedule as an independent. I more have
visions of Army, Navy, Louisiana Tech, Utah State, San Jose State and Hawaii to
go with occasional matchups with Utah, Notre Dame, Boise... better off just
staying where they are.
I like Madden's comments above, and as a fan of BYU football, would agree.
However, the MTN has GOT to go, and Craig Thompson with it. That network is a
joke. I read all these comments about BYU having a tough time
scheduling. You guys best catch-up on the recent news items. Going
Independent, ESPN has already guaranteed BYU that it would be a very willing
partner on at least 4 marquee games a year. BYU has locked schedules for the
foreseeable future with Nevada, Fresno State, Boise State, Utah State and Hawaii
-- regardless of conference affiliation. Independence would allow the
flexibility to keep the rivalry with Utah and, dare I hope it, keep it in
November (a la FSU and Florida) and televised nationally on ESPN (I mean, that
would be marquee). Add games against other Independents, Notre Dame, Army, and
Navy and the remaining 3 marquees -- that's a good season. And besides,
Independence is a means, not an end.I think BYU's big consideration
right now ought to be Men's Basketball. The team's looking really good and
deserves a quality conference.
A second note...Has anybody done the math yet on where the MWC
stands on criterion 3 with the additions of Fresno State and Nevada? They've
got to bring the conference's average up, right? Replacing the loss of Utah
with Boise State was supposed to be a wash; does this get the MWC where it
needed to be for BCS status?
So, here's a scenario:* BYU remains in the MWC for a couple more years,
* BYU continues with Utah as our last game in 2011,* TCU beats BYU
that year to win the MWC, with BYU placing second,* TCU's invitation to a
BCS bowl sends BYU to the Las Vegas Bowl...* ...to play the PAC's 8-5 Utah
in back-to-back meetings -- the first time in this venerable rivalry that these
teams have played each other twice in the same season.