Well, I quess I'm now a Smurf fan. Sorry Utah, can't root for you this year.
But once your in the Pac 12, I'll be back!
The BCS has to go! Congress needs to step in and break it up. It is amazing
what BSU is doing.
It is not coincidental that the BCS is most popular "in the southeastern United
States." It has the same underlying thinking as slavery:- Those
"other" schools are inherently inferior.- "They" don't have the
"necessities" to compete.- "They" don't have the "tradition."-
"We" are inherently superior._ "We" will take care of "them" by throwing
"them" the occasional bone.
I get that you want to appeal to the local reader but since when do the people
running the BCS really care if they are seen as popular or credible to the
majority of college football fans? It has never been popular or seen as
credible by fans but they've only made one minor change. Many people thought
they would add the "plus one" model last year and despite the ever-worsening
popularity of the BCS, no changes were made. Disappointing article.
As a local writer I would think Brad Rock should have entitled the article to
include TCU or BYU. Either of those teams if they run the table will assuredly
have a more difficult schedule than BSU. I agree BSU had done great things with
their program, but it doesnt hurt playing in the WAC where nearly every game is
a gimme. In many ways I would hate to see BSU in the championship game given
their poor strength of schedule. Would rather see TCU or BYU, as they would be
more deserving if they ran the table IMO.
RE: SportzFan | 2:41 a.m. Aug. 15, 2010 I’m in SEC country
right now and just from listening to the radio driving to and from work, the
locals here in Alabama are just as frustrated with the BCS as we are. However,
the five points you posted are very valid.- Those "other" schools
are inherently inferior.- "They" don't have the "necessities" to
compete.- "They" don't have the "tradition."- "We" are inherently
superior._ "We" will take care of "them" by throwing "them" the occasional
BSU plays the 90th toughest schedule in the country and should be in the title
game? Utah goes undefeated, beats Alabama, and can't get the time of day? BSU
plays one tough game a year and is a national media darling while TCU and BYU
play 3 or 4 tough games a year and gets spit on. While I really do not care one
way or the other I find BCS hypocrisy and BSU ignorance laughable. BSU is quite
clearly a tool of the BCS being used to legitimatize a flawed and illegal system
promulgated by the football elitist who wants to have their cake and eat it to.
On a side note now that BSU is in the MWC I guess the Des News has assumed that
anything that happens in central Idaho is worthy of even being in the flagship
newspaper of Utah or perhaps it is another example of the slobbering love affair
by the Utah sports media. Why is this article even relevant to the state of
BYU? The team who is singlehandedly responsible with the creation of the BCS..
You want to reward them for that!!!! Get real, their national championship year
of 1984 when they played no one is funny enough to last forever. We dont need
that kind of joke today.
I don't understand why MWC fans have such a hard time giving the WAC any credit.
The conferences are quite a bit more comparable then a lot think. Last year,
no one gave Boise a chance at beating TCU. It was supposed to be a blow out but
Boise took care of business. The WAC also has Nevada and Fresno State that have
been historically good teams. They had some key injuries going into last year's
bowl games that caused them to lose but that doesn't take away the fact that
Nevada came closer than anyone else to beating Boise last year and on the smurf
turf. Sure our local WAC school hasn't been that great but I'm sure they'd have
no problem beating up on New Mexico. The MWC has some weak teams too and the
conferences are actually fairly even with the MWC maybe being slightly better.
You can't say that BYU or TCU have more of a right to the National Title game
though when Boise beat TCU last year after TCU thrashed BYU. BYU will finish
this season with a few losses as well.
The problem with the bcs is not that they do not want to include the conferences
that they ocnsider lesser into their bowls. I actually agree with them that
those are their bowls that they built and that they have tradition with. The problem is that they have tried to make "their" bowls and "their"
system the decider for the national championship. That is what they have no
right to do, they have no right to make a claim on the title of national
champion for their exclusive use and for them to decide.When BYU won
the National Championship these guys had no control over it although one of
theirs had always won it. That all changed with BYU's miraculous breakthrough
and that is when these plans to co-opt the national championship for their
personal whims were hatched.So yes it is about the money, but the
truth is they always had more money so I find that no more than a secondary
issue, it was about controlling who would be the national champion and keep it
in their exclusive control.That is the problem with the bcs.
In the past, I thought the BCS was bad, but as an official member of the PAC 12
I now love the BCS!
Maybe we should wait to see how Boise does this year before prattling on.
UteVegas - you either forget or fail to recognize that neither BYU nor TCU have
won BCS games and BYU has not played in a BCS game. Moreover, BSU handily beat
TCU. Give BSU its rightly deserved credit.
I'm a BYU fan but I'm pulling harder than ever for Boise State to go to the
national championship. Who cares that they play a weak schedule this year? First
off that's out of their hands to an extent. Second of all, they've already
proven that they belong in that game. They return 21 starters from a team that
beat TCU, which TCU team humiliated both BYU and Utah last year. I think TCU
would have won the national championship last year if given the chance IMO. If
they don't go undefeated this year then they'll cheat themselves out of a
national championship, but if they run the table this year then there is no
question in my mind that they deserve a chance. The players are all back, and
they are just high enough in the preseason polls to have a chance. I'd like to
see Alabama loose (to finally unseat the SEC), and see the Broncos play Ohio
State and beat them for an NC victory! Not that I'm a Broncos fan, but this is
about a Non-AQ team winning it all to show the farce the BCS is.
I agree with Rock for the most part, but, there needs to be a huge addendum to
his article:For the BCS to save face, it needs Boise State to go to
a title game, and then...GET CRUSHED by the opposition. Get beaten
so thoroughly that it leaves no doubt in the minds of Americans that indeed BCS
teams are of a higher caliber than "mid-major" teams. If that happens, then the
BCS can breathe a sigh of relief. However, if Boise State goes to
the title game and wins, a huge step will have been taken towards dismantling
the monopoly that is the BCS. From then on, it will be pretty hard to argue that
mid-majors can't compete, and everyone in the nation will know it. Given that the second scenario is more likely than the BCS would like to
admit, I don't see Boise State getting a shot at the title game. The BCS would
just have too much to lose by doing so.
Credit for BSU? Credit for what exactly? Well let’s see. BSU gets credit
for playing ONE tough game a year and having the national media slobber and fawn
all over them. BSU get credit for having one of the weakest schedules ever and
getting an over inflated ranking. They get credit for being the BCS tool to
avoid a potential lawsuit. BSU gets credit for favoritism by elitist schools
desperate for legitimacy. There you go, plenty or credit. Sad that it is credit
due for all the wrong things.
Boise is playing more than 1 tough game this year. Besides opening on the road
at #6 ranked Virginia Tech, 2 weeks later they will take on #22 Oregon State
(which also happens to be TCU's biggest game. So Boise State's 2nd biggest game
is against the same team that TCU is playing for their big game this year and
you criticize BSU for having an easier schedule? TCU also has Wyoming, New
Mexico, Colorado State, UNLV, and San Diego State.
Yes, we must give credit for strength of schedule to Alabama, who played
Tennessee Chattanooga and other strong teams to preserve its winning
season.......right. Then we must beat up on BSU for the same thing, meanwhile
ignoring the FACT that none of the BCS schools will even consider playing BSU
for fear that they will get whupped and lose their chance at a Bowl game. BSU
beat TCU in one of the best bowl games on TV last year....when all the talking
heads were touting TCU as the favorite. Let's let the season begin
and see how it shakes out....
On behalf of all mid-major powers to include Utah, BYU, TCU, et al I really hope
that Boise State handily beats VTech in a couple of weeks and subsequently runs
the table straight into the BCS championship game. A Boise victory would do
more to destroy the BCS monopoly than any other scenario.For this
season at least and until they join the MWC and start playing BYU next season, I
AM a Boise State Bronco fan!!Go Broncos (and Cougs)!!
Otis Spurlock | 9:43 a.m. Aug. 15, 2010 "In the past, I thought the BCS
was bad, but as an official member of the PAC 12 I now love the BCS!"It's nice to see someone with a sense of values and convictions.Personally, I'd love to see BSU get the NC, followed by the U of U astrisk,
and Otis' declaration that BSU accidently backed into it.Plus, it
would help the MWC become an AQ conference. It's stronger than the PAC as it
sits right now in football and basketball (just not as many televisions), has
National television exposure, and in 2015 could negotiate for a decent TV
As a Utah fan and proud member of the "conference of Champions" all I can say
is...Not my problem.
I think the MWC should declare the winner of the Las Vegas bowl the national
champion. Why not? The way it is done now is a joke. Why is the winner of a
random BCS game the national champion? They are really only the champion of a
single bowl game. Just like the winner of the Las Vegas bowl."Winning" a national football championship is a lot like "winning" a North
Korean election. It sort of looks like the real thing but isn't even close.
I'm glad Hedgehog is a proud member of the "conference of Champions," the MWC,
which is the Utes conference this year.Winning a National
Championship will always be a problem for Utah though.
Yeah, BSU the real university of Utah!
B's momma,I don't know about us being "the real university of Utah",
but I do know that we will be opening a can of whoop on BYU starting next year.
A little reminder, you have never beaten us. We are 2-0 against you and another
reminder, you have never been to a BCS Bowl.We will dominate the MWC
just like we have dominated you every single time we have met. There's a new
sheriff in the MWC and have fun playing third fiddle to us and TCU! Let the
Must be a slow day in Salt Lake if their paper is even discussing potato zoobs.
It warms the heart to have BSU stepping up and keeping the "pimp hand strong".
As a Ute fan, it's important we leave our house in order and BSU sounds as if
they have the mental and physical prowess to keep the zoobs a second tier Mid
Major program.Good luck BSU - make the Utes proud!
I am tired of comments from people like "IBleedBlue" especially in our local
paper. I am one who hopes VT wipes out BSU or barely beats them just to
embarrass the smurf fans so they remember what a loss feels like. It has been a
long time since they have lost a game and their heads are getting full of hot
air!!! Since VT is the underdog and BSU is favored to win,it would be great to
see David beat Goliath, which is BSU's trademark. I am a fan who prefers Utah
schools over BSU anyday!!!Oh yeah, go Virginia Tech!!!
Can't wait for BSU, UofU and y to make their first stumble of the season. None
of them should be mentioned in the same sentence as "National Title Game".
So, here I am in the middle of Iowa and I go to the sports equipment store and
what is it I see in the college section (aside from copious Hawkeye stuff)? Tons
of Boise State gear! Hats, t-shirts, etc.Seriously?Boise
state, as a program, is for real. It is not inconcievable that they could go to
the NC game.As far as WAC vs MWC: they are indeed very similar when
you consider the top to the bottom. But similar doesn't mean equate.And, as close as they are, Boise state realizes that they need some increase
in competition at the higher levels: TCU, Utah, and BYU over Hawaii, Fresno, and
Nevada. It has been said that BSU only needs to "get up" for one or two games a
year. The move changes that.Plus, if the conferences were equal,
Boise wouldn't have moved.Oh, and Big Blue, how have your Rodriguez
boys been lately? Misery really loves company, eh?
Ok boise blue nice wins against a 4-8 team in 2003 and a 5-7 team in 2004,
because our kicker missed a chip shot field goal. BYU went up and down the
field on the broncos in 2004. This is not the same team the donkeys beat in
'03&'04. I am not saying bsy isn't good they are, but BYU has finished in the
top 25 in each of the last four years. Pretty good if you ask me. I know bsu
has done the same too. I can't wait for the rivalry with the donkeys to start.
If the conference follows through with what they plan the first game against bsu
will be in Provo in the last week of November. It will be a cougar victory!!!
BYU fans who aren't pulling for Boise State this year just don't understand.
Boise State needs to win the NC this year or it will never happen under this
system for non-AQ teams, that includes us guys. Honestly, with them being this
high in the polls and if they go undefeated and they aren't selected,
unfortunately that's bad news for us fellow BYU fans, unless we go to an
automatic qualifying conference. Like it or not, we need Boise to
win it all this year for us.
I know it must be hard for all of you Ute and Cougar fans to see BSU getting
more Natinal love and respecte then any of your schools have ever gotten! And
what only in its 12 year of being a 1A team. Get use to it BSU is that good as
we have proved time and again against big time schools. Oregon, Oklahoma, and
the best team ever to come out of the high and mighty MWC TCU. We will own the
MWC just like we have the WAC I gaurantee it. We have better recruits and a
better coaching staff then any team in the MWC as we have proved when we
destroyed Coach Witt and his slow untalanted players and out coached the best
coach in your conference in Patterson.A couple more points #1 to
Idaho Cougar I lived in Utah and could not stand how aragont BYU and Utah fans
were so dont even go off on how bad BSU fans in Idaho are. And #2 To COUGARNATE
yeah the Cougars arnt the same team however neither is BSU we have a heck of a
stronger program now then we did in 03 and 04!
Bsu bronco, its real easy to be a boise state fan, there isn't anything else.
your either a bronco's fan, or a fan of potatoes.
@chuckie (nice name)I have to admit that once you're in and QA, life
is pretty good. I understand, though, what you're talking about. It's got to be pretty tough being on the outside looking in. I'll do my best
to describe just how truly great it is to go to the Rose Bowl and on to the NC
if you'll keep me posted on your consistent losses to TCU, BSU and any other
team that's any good. Deal? Last question: Since the tds is a
"mid-major" your *NC must be a mid-major *NC. Big brother who
graduated, Utah, will get the state a TRUE National Championship!
I have season tickets to Utah and BYU but in the spirit of full disclosure I am
an SEC snob. The reality is BSU will never get a title shot over a one loss SEC
team. Why? The SEC teams have at least 6 tough games a year not the traditional
one or two (in an odd year) that BSU plays. I hope the Utes do well along with
the Cougars because I live in Utah but BSU cannot erase 50 years of mediocre
basement dwelling with a handful of good years no matter what the slobbering
sycophantic media writes. SEC fans tend to be arrogant because we can be. BSU
fan has gone past arrogant straight to obnoxious far worse than any Cougar fan.
I still wonder why Boise is even in the Utah flagship paper. They are not
relevant to anything. By the way for the record the MWC needs TCU in the title
game not BSU but the media wont slobber over any Texas team but UT.
Goutah, you will never be in a NC game. utah will be right there with the
arizona schools. when you go back to the mediocrity you once was, you won't even
fill that high school stadium you have on the hill. but you do have that hope
that one day you might get to that rose bowl. but never a NC.
Goutah What are you talking about? To all you Yewte fans I hope you enjoy your
last season in the MWC because this will be your last .500 season the school
will have in any sport! Enjoy your time in the Pac 12 being a bottom feeder.
Rose bowl! Thats a joke maybe you will be in the Las Vegas bowl once every 4 to
5 years, that is if you can win enough to become bowl eligable!
Andrew Marksen why dont you do some homework before you make a comment like BSU
cannot erase 50 years of mediocre basement dwelling with a handful of good years
no matter what the slobbering sycophantic media writes. How has Boise been a
basement dweller they have only been a 1A program for 12 years and have
dominated 10 of them. They also were very succesful as a 1AA team and a Junior
College before that so get your facts strait. And about your big and bad SEC
Urban Myer and the rest of the SEC wanted nothing to do with BSU or TCU even
during the BCS seclection show last year Fox made the statement that the big
boys can breathe a sigh of releief that they dont have to play TCU or Boise.
Both of those team would have beatean Florida or Bama last year and will do it
again this year. Also its a known fact that the so called big boys wont play
Boise. I wonder why!!
@BSU BRONCO!! | 8:50 p.m. Aug. 15, 2010We have better recruits and a
better coaching staff then any team in the MWC.---------Really? Prove it... Oh wait I don't have a year for you to do your research.
I'll just give you the answer.You are absolutely wrong, and here's
why:According to Scouts over the last 9 years the mid-majors class
rankings are:1. BYU 46.672. Utah 68.223. TCU 70.784. Boise 72.11So, that research shows it is BYU who has the best
recruits. Hold it gets better...NFL talent drafted over the same
period:1. Utah 272. TCU 242. BYU 204. Boise 12So if that trend continues look for Boise to struggle in the MWC.
Why?Because the ability to develop NFL talent Boise is on par with
Washington State while Utah is on par with Oregon.
@chuckie | 2:32 p.m. Aug. 15, 2010It's [MWC] stronger than the PAC as it
sits right now in football and basketball-----------Where did you get that information from cracker jacks?You always
call me out on my logic but seem not to understand the statement, "Google before
posting." Because if you had you would know that according USA Today
Sagarin Rankings by Conference:Basketball: #6 PAC-10#8
MWCFootball:#3 PAC-10#8 MWCIf I am
wrong please provide your source that contradicts my above findings. Now I understand your feelings are hurt that Utah is moving to the PAC-12 but
please save your drama for your mama and post something besides comedy.
SportzFan - Bringing up slavery, and a tired stereotype of the South, has no
place in this forum and is tacky.Andrew J. Marksen - it's true that
BSU plays a relatively weak schedule. That's mostly the price of playing in the
WAC. But they ran the table and beat #5 TCU and #11 Oregon last year - that's
noteworthy.ProvoAggie - Good points about BSU's strength, but you
overreached when you claimed that the WAC deserves more credit as a conference.
Objective data just doesn't support that argument.Jack - According
to Sagarin, Bama played the second toughtest schedule in the nation last year,
while BSU played the 96th toughest schedule. You may not like it, but when SEC
teams schedule patsies and say "but our conference schedule is already extremely
tough," their claims are justified.chuckie - I agree with you when
you call out Otis Spurlock for his comments. Utah is still competing in the
MWC. That is where Ute fans should be focusing this year.hedgehog -
As always, interesting mix of a little cleverness sprinkled on top of juvenile
inflammatory remarks.IdahoCougarFan - ...maybe a little bit jealous
of BSU?Andy Tomasso - Why so much anger...?
I Bleed Blue (Boise Blue):Just another BEW Utah troll hiding behind
the skirts of a BSU fan.Even more pathetic considering BSU smoked
the Utes the last two times they played.----------------------btw, I'd love to see Boise State or TCU or both in the BCS championship
game this year. The Cougars are probably a year or two away from serious BCS
BSU BRONCO!!*yawn*--BSU getting more Natinal love and
respecte then any of your schools have ever gotten! --I gaurantee
it--how aragonttwo words: spell checkbetter
yet, finish your 8th grade English classBoise State will quickly
learn that the MWC isn't the WAC.
I'll believe the BCS will put a nonQ into the NC game when I see it. Ain't going
to happen. Not until the BCS recognizes the MWC as a Q conference will one of
their members get into a NC game, but all the stars would have to align for this
to happen. The WAC will have to wait a lot longer. Boycott the BCS and all BCS
Boise Fans,You will learn very soon that many BYU fans will assume
you are a Ute Troll if you say anything good about Boise.
I have always rooted to BSU. I think the coaching staff has class and handles
it's players well. I was glad when they won both their BCS games, especially
last year because I don't like Patterson. This year they will not make it to the
BCS though. I don't think there is a chance that they get past Va Tech. I may be
wrong, but they won't get that win away from the blue turf.Once you
get to the MWC, I will be rooting for you over many teams. Good luck
this year, you are going to need it more than a couple of trick plays.Go Utes
BSU and TCU are in the top 10 of every poll released so far. What happens if
they both win out and wind up ranked 1 & 2 in the regular season polls. What
excuse will the BCS have to keep them from playing for the NC? It happened in
'84 when every team claiming to be #1 lost while BYU kept winning. What an
uproar there would be if they are ranked 1-2 and neither gets in the NC game.
...and if they take one, what excuse would justify excluding the other?
....MWC Fans who get irritated about the SOS arguement when apllied to them but
fling it around about the rest. If I remeber correctly U of U has
lost numerous times to Mid Major conference teams and went into the 4th quater
last year in a 7 to 7 tie with SJSU. BYU lost to NEVADA who they play again
this year (watch out be careful) 5 or 6 years ago. TCU lost to SMU after
dismantling OU the first season they joined the MWC. quit talking about SOS and
talk about substance.BSU is a fantastic team and they return TWENTY
of Twenty-two players. They've had 3 undefeated regular seasons in four years.
They are the best non BCS team THIS YEAR, and if they can handle the pressure,
go undefeated they should be in the national title but not to help the BCS's
Image but because THEY DESERVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
What happens if TCU and BSU going undefeated this year and both teams end up in
the top 3 in the polls? (It doesn't matter who is in the lead). I think that it
would be hard to leapfrog 2 teams in the BCS polls to get a 4th place team over
both of those teams into the second place of the BCS polls to play for the NC.
That would certainly help the MWC if they won a NC. Yeah, the WAC
isn't as good as the MWC especially after this year.I think that TCU
and BSU are great teams. I would like to see them play someone else in the post
season to prove how good they are. I also believe that Utah is a
great team and will continue their greatness this year and next year in the PAC
12. Maybe they won't win the conference but they just might. Rivals top game of
the MWC this year is TCU at Utah. It should be the game that decides the
conference champion and probably BCS game attendee. Will be a great year for the
Utes. GO Utah!!!
USportsFan | 7:19 p.m. Aug. 16, 2010 What happens if TCU and BSU going
undefeated this year and both teams end up in the top 3 in the polls? ---The MWC gets AQ, a new TV deal, real AQ money, national
exposure on the MTN in HD, and the Utes left for a raw deal in the PAC.Not slamming the Utes, but Dr. Hill could have stayed, kept the rivalry (which
would have reached Ohio State / Michigan levels in 20 years) and showed
foresight... What happens???Who knows?
Re Uteology. Ok you might be right with the number of NFL players but lets see
how many Utes are starting on NFL teams? compare that to BSU players that
actually see the field. And How many Ute players chosen in the first round over
that time period? That joke overhyped QB Alex Smith! If the niners were smart
enough to get another QB he would be on a practice team some where. BSU has 2
1st rounders in Ryan Clady OT Denver and then there is Kyle Wilson Jets who will
see plenty of playing time this season and dont be suprised if hes not up for
defensive rookie of the year. Enjoy loosing week in and week out in the PAC 12!
But you could be playing BYU in the Las Vegas bowl every 4 years. Thats about
how often Utah has a half decent team!
BSU needs to not lay an egg against Va Tech are all of their hype will be gone.
How interesting.... BSU seem to be drinking their own Kool-Aid, not to much now,
you might get a belly ache. Let's look at BSU BRONCO!!, with two exclamation
points... how funny. Anyway, when was the last time a QB from Boise St. was
taken #1 in the NFL Draft ever? Anyone.... anyone..... off the top of my head, I
can't think of one."That joke overhyped QB Alex Smith!"It's like comparing BSU's "never was" list of QB's to one overhyped #1 NFL
Draft Pick. Who wins that argument... ALEX SMITH 99% of the time. Your only HoF
member (which BSU claims) is Dave Wilcox who played collegiate football at Boise
Junior College(now Boise State University) before transferring to the University
of Oregon for his final two seasons. So technically, he never even played for
BSU. "But you could be playing BYU in the Las Vegas bowl every
4 years." That would be great, not only would it be against a true
rival, it would have something more substantial than just conference bragging
rights, a bowl winner.Maybe you should worry more about BSU than
UTAH or #11. Virginia Tech wins 38-17
It is funny to here the Tater-zoobs try to make fun of Utah by saying they will
be playing in the Vegas bowl. The Vegas bowl will be the HIGHEST accomplishment
BSU will be playing for!!Tater-zoobs - LOLGo Utes! Go
BSU Broco-zoob: "Ok you might be right with the number of NFL players"Here is a total list for you: OG Zane Beadles (Denver), WR Freddie Brown
(Minnesota), LB Martail Burnett (San Francisco), DE Jonathan Fanene
(Cincinnati), RB Quinton Ganther (Seattle), OT Jordan Gross (Carolina), S Robert
Johnson (Tennessee), DT Maake Kemoeatu (Washington), OG Chris Kemoeatu
(Pittsburgh), DE Paul Kruger (Baltimore), CB Brice McCain (Houston), LB Koa Misi
(Miami), DT Siona Pouha (New York Jets), QB Brett Ratliff (Cleveland), WR David
Reed (Baltimore), OT Barry Sims (San Francisco), WR Steve Smith (Carolina), QB
Alex Smith (San Francisco), CB Sean Smith (Miami), DE Paul Soliai (Miami), CB
R.J. Sanford (Carolina), LB Stevenson Sylvester (Pittsburgh), DT Kelly Talavou
(Baltimore), S Eric Weddle (San Diego).Go Utes! The future is
Crimson - get Used to it!!