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  • LMBCougarFan!
    Aug. 13, 2010 1:49 a.m.

    Before you go crazy focusing on evil Comcast you could also bring up the point that The Pac 12 has a lot more negotiating power than the MWC. There are rumors about FOX thinking of trying to make up for losing the BCS games and signing tv rights for a conference like the PAC 12 or Big 12. NBC has also been rumored to have interest in expanding its college football coverage beyond just Notre Dame home games. The market for the PAC 12 and Big 12 will be much better than it was for the MWC to go along with along with the fact that they are bigger and better conferences who also have the added advantage of learning from the mistakes of not only the Mtn. but also the Big Ten network.

    I think it's a safe bet that the majority of Ute fans, Duck fans and the rest of the PAC 12 fans will be pretty happy with whatever comes from the new tv contracts.

  • Cougar Blue
    Aug. 13, 2010 8:00 a.m.

    From all of the little snippets of news in the last few months on the doings of Comcast, I'm starting to believe that they are not the good neighbor that they want us to believe they are. They want total domination in TV entertainment and in internet. I don't believe that is in the interest of very many of us.

  • DEW Cougars
    Aug. 13, 2010 8:43 a.m.

    The PAC would be a fool to contract with comcast and I don't see it going to happen. I use to work for some cable company and comcast are nightmares. I get calls saying why my game is not showing Duke and North Carlina bb game - I tell them "comcast has the broadcast rights in that area (NC area)and only comcast would show the game on espn". Comcast want more money from Directv and Versus was removed for almost the whole year. And it is sad in some Salt Lake valley can't pick up comcast. comcast is evil!

  • Fiddler
    Aug. 13, 2010 9:23 a.m.

    Big issue: Who will watch them?

  • Ernest T. Bass
    Aug. 13, 2010 10:04 a.m.

    I would imagine that the PAC-12 will have the negotiating power to tell Comcast to shove it if Comcast wants to control distribution.
    The PAC will get a great TV deal, no matter which broadcaster it is with.
    The MWC made the mistake of allowing Comcast to control distribution. I'm pretty sure the PAC will avoid that.
    Comcast is out to make a buck and they have all the negotiating power with the MWC.

  • Striker
    Aug. 13, 2010 10:13 a.m.

    Right on Fiddler. Besides, no one will watch a conference when two new additions are in the middle to bottom of the conference in nearly every sport.

  • SLC gal
    Aug. 13, 2010 10:20 a.m.

    The MTN has a monopoly and it's sickening.

  • Big_Ben
    Aug. 13, 2010 10:23 a.m.

    @ Fiddler

    a lot more than will watch mountain west games.

  • Big_Ben
    Aug. 13, 2010 10:37 a.m.

    Nice! I love it when a BYU fan with two Aliases logs on, makes a comment, and then agrees with himself (ala Fiddler @ 9:23 and Striker @ 10:13)

  • Thlete
    Aug. 13, 2010 10:39 a.m.

    Striker, so you are saying that the PAC is so much superior to the MWC that Utah has no chance than mediocrity in the PAC-12?

    Count me as one cheering for FOX to win the battle of TV rights. I hate Comcast in every way.

  • Big_Ben
    Aug. 13, 2010 10:51 a.m.

    @thlete

    what striker/fiddler (same person) is saying is that he desperately wishes he could be invited to the party. But he was left out. Its a rough feeling to experience.

  • RE
    Aug. 13, 2010 11:04 a.m.

    If all you people who think the MT is so bad talk to people who live in Portland. Oregon and Oregon st games for the most part are on FSN somtimes VS and most of the time no HD. Also very little national games and you can't get the game in all areas of the state or region. If the Pac-10 was so powerful and influential it seems that the Mountain West has better options with it's own network along with it's deal with VS and CBS College Sports

  • Ibleedcrimson
    Aug. 13, 2010 11:11 a.m.

    Wow look at that, the first few comments from both sides on topic and decent. then it starts, just like every forum one side has to bait the has to bite. Ignore the trolls and they eventually go away.

  • SportzFan
    Aug. 13, 2010 11:35 a.m.

    Cougar Blue | 8:00 a.m. Aug. 13, 2010
    From all of the little snippets of news in the last few months on the doings of Comcast, I'm starting to believe that they are not the good neighbor that they want us to believe they are. They want total domination in TV entertainment and in internet. I don't believe that is in the interest of very many of us.

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    Unlike ESPN?

  • SportzFan
    Aug. 13, 2010 11:37 a.m.

    Ibleedcrimson | 11:11 a.m. Aug. 13, 2010
    Wow look at that, the first few comments from both sides on topic and decent. then it starts, just like every forum one side has to bait the has to bite. Ignore the trolls and they eventually go away.
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    We wish. No they won't.

  • MenaceToSociety
    Aug. 13, 2010 12:14 p.m.

    By the way, the name of the conference is not the PAC. What would PAC stand for? Pacific Athletic Conference?

    David Locke referring to the Mountain West Conference as the Mountain thinks that is silly.

  • Fiddler
    Aug. 13, 2010 12:22 p.m.

    Do I wish BYU was invited to the P12? Of course! But the comfort we're able to receive as BYU fans is knowing that the selection wasn't made based on athletics. That being said, not being invited to the P12 isn't all that bad afterall.

    Big_Ben/SLC gal (same person).

  • Big_Ben
    Aug. 13, 2010 12:52 p.m.

    Fiddler,

    waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    it hurts bad doesn't it?

  • Bitterman
    Aug. 13, 2010 1:24 p.m.

    What hurts, Ben?

    I keep wondering why pUke fans think that we are sad and disappointed. We are not.

    Fact:
    Nothing changed at BYU. They are exactly what they were six months ago. A relevant, perenial top twenty team in both football and basketball. Our conference and team are still fighting against the hypocritical, discriminatory, exclusionary Big Crock of S....omething.

    We maintain, as we have from the begining, that the BCS is nothing more than a hype machine and that argument of "best team" should be settled on the field, not the boardroom.

    We know who we are and we do not need someone else to tell us we are good.

    The ONLY thing that has changed for us is that we no longer require you to do well for the good of our conference.

    Fact:
    The pUke fans felt the EXACT SAME WAY less than three months ago. You thought the BCS was crooked.

    And now?
    Someone changed your label (and not one thing else) and you figure this has elevated you to greatness.

    I hope that by being the fourth choice of the bigoted snobs, you now feel validated.

    But are we sad? Hurt?
    In your dreams.

  • Dutchman
    Aug. 13, 2010 1:26 p.m.

    Fiddler,

    Google Phil Steele, and go to his web site, a nationally recognized college football expert with no dog in this fight who lives in Ohio. He and his computers rank the conference teams over the past decade since 2000. For the MWC it is #1 Utah #2 TCU and #3 BYU. Utah's undefeated bowl record including going 5-0 against BCS teams in bowl games certainly doesn't hurt. Too bad you and your BYU friends will never get over the snub. And you are right the selection wasn't just based on athletics. Academics certainly played a role for example, the Academic Ranking of World Universities ranks Utah at No. 47 nationally and No. 80 in the world for overall academic excellence, placing the U. well within the standing of the other universities comprising the Pac-10 conference.

  • Wldflwr
    Aug. 13, 2010 1:28 p.m.

    What I am finding most interesting about BigBen is he doesn't really comment on the article, he just derides those BYU fans who do. I guess he finds this safer to do than to show his ignorance in commenting, like Hedge and ChrisB do.

  • Archie
    Aug. 13, 2010 1:37 p.m.

    Fiddler | 12:22 p.m. Aug. 13, 2010

    Exactly right...in addition to "athletic prowess," the selected institutions are also required to have a reputation in academics and research.

    Yeah, we know you wish your team was invited to the PAC-12 but the road to accomplish that is simple...become a Utah fan!!!!!!!!!

  • The Real Hedgehog
    Aug. 13, 2010 1:41 p.m.

    Why don't all you bYu fans just admit your jealous of our success. I don't no one person that would trade 2 bcs games for one national championship. That makes us better then you. Live with it! Deal with it! Youll always be 2nd best to the greatest FB program in the state!

    Go Utes!!!

  • Last Stand
    Aug. 13, 2010 1:44 p.m.

    @ Big_Ben

    I thought you were the bastion of being reasonable and not stooping to the level of some of your Ute cohorts. I guess the truth comes out.

  • Archie
    Aug. 13, 2010 2:54 p.m.

    Bitterman | 1:24 p.m. Aug. 13, 2010

    This post is a laugh fest...

    "We maintain, as we have from the begining, that the BCS is nothing more than a hype machine..." Does name calling help you cope?

    "The ONLY thing that has changed for us is that we no longer require you to do well for the good of our conference" You mean like sending BYU a $1M charitable contribution every few years.?

    "I hope that by being the fourth choice of the bigoted snobs, you now feel validated." More name calling. Yeah, actually it feels great. Too bad you will never know what it feels like.

    You don't sound upset at all.

    Signed,

    One Proud pUke

  • MOUte
    Aug. 13, 2010 2:56 p.m.

    Well said, Dutchman.

    Did you get THAT Bitterman. Btw...your screen name says it all.

  • Fiddler
    Aug. 13, 2010 3:00 p.m.

    Dutchman, so because someone in Ohio thinks Utah has been better over the last 10 years, that makes Utah better? Well I guess you got us there. I can now speak for all BYU fans when I say that Utah owns us because a guy in Ohio thinks so. Wow, gotta love that Utah education you spoke of. If it was responsible for the AMAZING point you made about athletics, I guess you guys got us there as well.

  • Not So Good
    Aug. 13, 2010 3:15 p.m.

    Re: Archie @ 2:54 p.m.

    Utah has sent BYU a $1M contribution every few years? How generous of them! Let's be honest though, why don't we? Any BCS money is awarded to the entire conference and is devided evenly. You're dreaming if you think an even share is $1M for each school, since a non-BCS conference only gets about $4.5M total.

    And, since we're talking about "contributions" how much did BYU contribute to Utah during that 28 year bowl drought the Utes went through? I'd say Utah has BYU to thank for keeping them afloat all those years and that they should count themselves lucky for even having a FB program!

  • Naval Vet
    Aug. 13, 2010 3:26 p.m.

    Cue "Striker" to agree with "Fiddler".

  • Dutchman
    Aug. 13, 2010 3:44 p.m.

    Fiddler,

    Phil Steele isn't just some guy in Ohio. Do you even know who Phil Steel is? Actually, he is quite supportive of BYU and predicted the upset victory over Oklahoma last year. I pointed out that he lived in Ohio to show he carries no bias one way or the other. He is a college football expert who loves stats, facts and computers. That must be hard for you to comprehend. I am also sorry that the Academic Ranking of World Universities seems to hurt your tender feelings and doesn't support your bias against the U.

  • UteFan01
    Aug. 13, 2010 3:45 p.m.

    Re: Not So Good.

    BYU contributed nothing during those years since conference revenue sharing did not exist during that time.

    AND all of the bowls that BYU went to (and mostly lost) did not pay anything near what the payouts for the two BCS games Utah went to (and won) paid out. But hey..thanks for playing.

  • The Real Hedgehog
    Aug. 13, 2010 3:50 p.m.

    Navel vet,

    That was the funnyest thing i've read all day! Keep it up! Make all of us ute fans proud!

  • Not So Good
    Aug. 13, 2010 4:31 p.m.

    UteFan01,

    Whether or not revenue sharing existed in the WAC during the 80's, it's very clear that BYU kept the entire conference afloat being the flagship program. Utah very well may have BYU to thank for the success their program enjoys today.

    As far as BCS revenue sharing goes, the five non-AQ conferences share the distribution, whether it's an MWC or WAC school that plays in the bowl. The conference represented may get a larger portion but that usually only differs by a million or two. So the MWC might've got a little more in 2008 because Utah went to the Sugar Bowl but if they didn't go, it would've been TCU or Boise State and, therefore the distribution would've been identical or just slightly less. The point of all this is to refute the claim that Utah so charitably "distributes $1M to BYU every few years".

    One other note, The Las Vegas Bowl pays out more than any other non-AQ Conference contracted bowl. More than the Poinsettia or Emerald or Armed Forces. Five years in a row, BYU's is more than holding its own in the conference.

  • Uteology
    Aug. 13, 2010 4:37 p.m.

    Bitterman | 1:24 p.m. Aug. 13, 2010

    Fact:
    Nothing changed at BYU. They are exactly what they were six months ago. A relevant, perenial top twenty team in both football and basketball.

    --------------

    3-3 in late December
    1-5 in the tournament

    Only a Zoob would consider that relevant.


    I see, for decades you had out grown being a mid-major and wanted to join the PAC-10 or Big-12 but now they are bigots and snobs because you got rejected?


    "In the early years, I think BYU felt that they had outgrown the conference and their people were talking about how BYU would go to the Big 12 or the Pac-10. They used to come into the Utah game always talking about who they would be playing in their bowl game.... When we started beating them, they stopped talking about their bowl game...people then started talking about how we would be a good fit in the Pac-10, but everybody talks."

    -- Ron McBride


    You're not entitled to anything you have to earn it. BYU is the 4th mid-major. Act like it your team does on the field.

  • Archie
    Aug. 13, 2010 4:47 p.m.

    UteFan01 | 3:45 p.m. Aug. 13, 2010 is absolutely correct. What in the world are you (Not So Good | 3:15 p.m. Aug. 13, 2010) talking about? The sorry conference BYU played in received none of the money from BYU's bowl games. It worked out well for BYU. They invested in facilities and recruiting and the other sorry teams remained just that...sorry.

    My, oh my, how times have changed.

    Do you know what BYU did with the first $1M charitable contribution they received from the University of Utah? They paid off the remaining years on Crowton's contract to get rid of him. Then they restructured the Athletic Department administration because there was no money left.

    Do you know what BYU did with the second $1M charitable contribution they received from the University of Utah? They put in a new grass field. Only the BYU professor who told them how to do it forgot Utah has a dry climate so the Florida State football team was able to tear up chunks of the field and take it home with them.

    Hilarious...don't you think?

  • Archie
    Aug. 13, 2010 5:40 p.m.

    Uteology | 4:37 p.m. Aug. 13, 2010

    What a great post!!

    Ron McBride was instrumental in bringing about the transition in Utah football. Moreover, in the comment included in your post he demonstrates his insight of the BYU culture and eventual downfall.

    Classic!

    What do you think, Bitterman / Not So Good?

  • Ernest T. Bass
    Aug. 13, 2010 6:04 p.m.

    In 5 years from now byu fans will tune in to Utah games more than byu games.

  • Bigute
    Aug. 13, 2010 7:42 p.m.

    Grrrrrrrreat....now on top of trading in the occasional BCS Bowl game invite to instead go 6-6 every year, Ute fans will trade one lousy Comcast deal for another.

    It just keeps getting worse.

  • bigdaddy
    Aug. 13, 2010 7:51 p.m.

    @Dutchman

    Its hard to put a lot of stock in these so-called experts when their fall pre-season magazines and blogs list guys on the roster or in the two deep who left on missions 9 months before or forecast pre-season all conference teams and list guys who are now in the NFL.

    It's apparent that most of them just copy each other and circulate the same general information without doing a lot of research.

  • Hellooo
    Aug. 13, 2010 8:25 p.m.

    Lets say the TV deal is great and complete. The PAC-10 has made clear that while it shares bowl revenue equally, it does not share TV revenue equally, but in accordance to TV appearances, and their ratings. Take any given week in the PAC-12, what game will you broadcast Utah vs UCLA or USC vs Standford, or A vs ASU or Colo. vs Utah. For PAC-12 fans we will see alot more PAC-12 coverage, but it may not include the market team we would like to see the most. And, the revenues will never be equal that will have to made up with increased donations, and ticket prices.

  • USportsFan
    Aug. 13, 2010 9:03 p.m.

    Hellooo,

    The negotiations for equally sharing TV revenue will be up for vote in October when the college AD's get together and will most likely pass this time. Because they would need 4 schools not to be in favor of it and they only have 2 schools that are expected to be opposed.

    BIGute,

    I don't see the PAC 10 commissioner going with a deal that gets less national coverage than it is currently getting. It was pretty evident that Larry Scott wants the East Coast to watch PAC 12 sports. So, even if Comcast offers up more money, they probably won't take it unless it increases viewership nationally.

    Honestly, Kyle isn't going to let the team go 6-6. Have a little faith in the team or change handles.

  • chuckie
    Aug. 14, 2010 6:16 a.m.

    Naval Vet | 3:26 p.m. Aug. 13, 2010
    Cue "Striker" to agree with "Fiddler".
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    Cue hedgeHog to agree with Naval... ummmm, himself...
    ===

    The Real Hedgehog | 3:50 p.m. Aug. 13, 2010
    Navel vet,
    That was the funnyest thing i've read all day! Keep it up! Make all of us ute fans proud!

    ===

    What did that take? 25 minutes?

    Funniest thing you have heard all day?

    Really???

    Fun Day?

  • Tommy2Shoes
    Aug. 14, 2010 6:11 p.m.

    Sure hope Comcast gets the contract with the PAC10/12. I have Dish and won't have to watch them beat up on the lousy west coast competition. I do believe the Utes will be successful in football and gymnastics right away. But get ready for a slaughter in the other sports for a few years. You'll eventually catch up by hiring better coaches, upgrading facilities and better recruiting. That extra money, over time, will make a big difference to your program. I'll be watching when you play my Cougars, and will monitor how well we keep up, and only when you play them, if you're on Comcast.

  • Bigute
    Aug. 15, 2010 3:46 a.m.

    @USportsFan

    I would like to be blindly optimistic but I'm a contrarian by nature. When everyone is telling the emperor that his new clothes are stupendous, I'm the guy who tells him the truth, that his bloomers are showing.

    In this case, fanatic fans are thumbing their noses at everyone right now, but the silly thing is, we haven't accomplished anything in the Pac 10 yet. And, when you look at Kyle's track record vs. Pac 10 competition he's .500 during his tenure, winning at home and losing on the road. Aside from beating up on a very bad UCLA team, we haven't been dominant at all even though the past we've enjoyed one of the best runs in school history.

    When you compare that with what happened to ASU after they left the WAC as the dominant team having won 7 or the previous 8 WAC titles. They've since won 3 Pac 10 titles in 32 seasons. By contrast we've only won 1 MWC during Kyle's time and have usually finished 3rd (we even finished as low as 6th in 2005). I'm worried we'll do likewise.