Why is this a story? A BYU guy not wanted at a Utah practice. That's big news.
Wow, seriously? Glad we are all so professional here.
That is completely ridiculous. I listen to 1280 all the time, it's not like
Jan's spying for BYU or something like that. He's a legitimate sports
broadcaster on a legitimate radio show.I'm sure one he and
Whittingham talk it over, they'll correct their mistake and let him be there.
Come on Utes, Jan is a great local radio personality along with Gunther. I
guess the Utes have a bunch of classless coaches and players as well as
classless fans! :)
I just have one question, was this or was it not an open to the public practice?
If it was then having Jan there along with other media members shouldn't have
been an issue. Reading reports from other reporters of the Utes first practice
leads me to believe that it was open to the public. Sounds as though Utah may
have handled this inappropriately.
Why is Harmon even talking to Jorgensen about this? Harmon is the BYU beat
reporter. This is a story about Utah practice. Harmon and Jorgensen
don't even work for the same company. They are both acting as Jorgensen is still
a BYU player.
Coach Whit just did Jorgensen and 1280 a huge favor, with all the free
publicity.Jorgensen is less than one year removed from being a
player. I suppose it's understandable that they'd rather he not observe
practice, although he was welcome back for the interview portion.
Is Dick even trying anymore to hide his U of U animosity/jealousy?
Just remember the number one rule on the hill - nobody question King Kyle!
That this was even reported by DN is a joke. It is not even news worthy and a
complete waste of time. Whitt ran closed practice, that means anyone he doesn't
want there should not be there. Even Jorgensen was totally understanding.Get real DN, TMZ you ain't and shouldn't try to be!
Once a Zoob always a Zoob!! Send Jan to practices in Happy Valley and Kyle up
on the Hill.
Starting to crack Whitt? You use to be a coug you should kick yourself out.
Classless move by the yewts.
@ acrolight12this was closed to the public. if by "public" you mean
"media" then yes. I think this is a non-issue. Whit is just being
careful. I doubt he listens to the "jan and gunther show". I am sure they will
get it straightened out.
This comes from an insecure coach who can't recognize that an ex-player, working
in the media isn't going to pass on trade secrets to his former team. That
would be like anyone in the NFC East not alowing Troy Aikman or Moose to
announce their games, because they used to play for the Cowboys. Sounds silly
It's that inferiority complex thing surfacing again. Let's see, BYU
plays Utah in 3 months or more, beforewhich Utah will have played 11 or 12
games. By the time Whittingham plays BYU in November, BYU will have had ample
time to see practically everything Utah does. So what is Jorgensen going to
learn on the first day of practice (without pads) that he will pass on to the
hated rival that will improve BYU's chances of beating Utah in November?? I'll
tell you what - ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. It is all about Utah's fixation
with beating BYU. Afterall, Isn't this the same guy who has a clock in his
office counting down to the BYU game???Utah and Whittingham owe
Jorgensen an apology.
Perhaps the pending move to the PAC Something has increased the Utes' self
esteem such that they can pick and choose who they wish to attend practices.I'd say that if the practice was open to the public, Utah's media
specialist Abel isn't ready for big time exposure if she starts picking and
choosing who attends public events.Will Jorgensen be banned from
games as well?Maybe Harline still is open -- in someone's mind.
This practice was not open to the public.
This is funny after listening to 1280 with Gunther and Jorgenson.Clarification, Utah's practices are not open to the public. My guess is
Gunther ditched Jorgenson and KWhitt and other Utah personell doesn't know he's
media even though he was wearing a media badge. Im sure it will get worked out.
I doubt Whitt would believe he was spying not that it would matter anyways since
both teams will have changed drastically over the year.
sounds to me like some one is getting a little Paranoid
In today's college football world, I'm surprised any reporters at all are
allowed to attend, let alone reporters with clear allegiances to a school's
biggest rival. Jan is just a few months removed from BYU. One would think he
still has many friends with the BYU team. Maybe he's trustworthy, maybe not.
Better to err on the side of caution.
Jan is a ybU homer. I would kick him out of practice as well. As a matter of
fact, I really wish 1280 would kick him off the show. I can not stand listening
to his commentary and his inability to be realistic about his beloved ybU. He
can not be objective in his reporting and it is blatantly obvious how much of a
homer he really is. He sounds like a weasel and can not be trusted.
FUNNY!!!! I love it. I think all reporters, regardless of who they work for,
where they played, or who they seem to support should be banned from all
practices. All reporters are nothing more than a common leach trying to suck
the blood from a program and make something out of nothing.
That’s interesting since Hans Olsen, former BYU player, and from the same
radio station was allowed at the Utah practice, and he is about as pro BYU as
anyone I have ever listened to.
Ute in DC,Couldn't agree with you more.
Hey this is LIZ ABEL, a real peach I tell ya. She is in her position purely
through attrition. If Utah actually had someone it that position with talent
they would be light years ahead of where they are today. She has taken her less
than mediocre talent and coat-tailed the athletic departments on field success.
Poor form Abel poor form!
Wow. This tells us a lot about Utah's bunker mentality at this point.Max Hall's words are proving truly prophetic. What a joke!
Well, Well, Well.... Utah should fit right in with the Pac-10 now.Liberals are always lecturing about freedom of the press, speech, blah blah.
EXCEPT, WHEN YOU DISAGREE WITH THEM.These are the people
always yapping about "Intellectual/Academic Freedom".Ve have Vays to
make you leave our practice, yes, ve have vays.
What! A Cougar at a Ute football practice. The nerve. The Utes shouldn't
allow a Cougar in. That has never happened before. Except .... oh ya .... Kyle
For decades the Utah sports media has treated Utah athletics as the
red-headed step child. Now suddenly an uncredentialed BYU plant is
kicked out of practice and the media is interested in cover in Utah???Hey Dick, I heard Heaps had a double cheeseburger for lunch. Shouldn't you be
Wittingham is fricking ridiculous. Are you kidding me? Up by 50...onside kick!
Another example of Utah's classiness.... Keep it up Utah. Can't wait to send you
all crying home again.
Utefan: How can you say "Once a Zoob always a Zoob?" Half the
coaching staff at Utah played for BYU!! So are you saying Whit should not be at
the practices too as well as half the other coaches at the U?! Think about what
you are saying?!!
Hey Jan, only professional reporters are allowed to cover PAC 10
programs.Which makes me wonder who in the Utah sports media could
cover Utah in the PAC 10.
If you have any media, allow all media. Wasn't Utah's coach a BYU guy, too?
Using the logic, he should be banned from practice.
I guess I can understand some frustration here. But it was announced numerous
times that all practices are closed to the public and public is defined by the
staff, not me, not you, not Jan, or not even the DN. I am pretty sure if
Bronco was uncomfortable with somebody at one of the cougar practices and that
person was asked to leave there would be no mention in the DN. This is only a
story in this paper, and not an important one at that. Obviously Mr. Harmon
doesn't have much to do until cougar practices start so he writes what he can.
Compliments to Mr. Harmon for not editorializing about it though. Just report
the facts, kind of like Joe Friday. Perhaps he's learned from his gaff at ESPN.
Utefan | 4:21 a.m. Aug. 6, 2010Once a Zoob always a Zoob!! Send Jan
to practices in Happy Valley and Kyle up on the Hill.==============So.... Kyle can't be there either ? He's a zoob too :)
getting a little Paranoid are we
Didn't King Kyle play for a National Championship team?
re: UtefanSounds good. Coach Whittingham, Sitake, Roderick...
sorry guys. You're still a Zoob evidentally.Back to BYU you go.Oh wait....who's going to run practice?? Scalley!?
Hey Dick,How about focusing on what you’re supposedly paid to
do — BYU. Your 24/7 jealousy of all things Utah and PAC 10 is bush
league. Honestly, you’re only confirming what most people already know
— BYU is the “little brother”.
Hey Dick,The “other” newspaper is running a story on
BYU’s slipping football academics. Any interest is pursuing this
topic?…..LOL!Of course not.
This just confirms my conviction that the Yewts are horribly paranoid. What
would Jorgenson learn from their practice that he'd pass on to the Y? Most
likely nothing that he doesn't already know from watching four years of Yewt
I think if I hear the term "legit reporter" one more time I'm gonna shoot beads.
This guy and Kyle Gunther are legit nothing. They are two very untalented former
football players who have a high school like radio show and talk about food a
lot. Images of Keith Jackson and Chris Shenkel (or even Steven A. Smith) hardly
come to mind when I listen to them.
utefan..think about it, if what you say is true..Kyle needs to kick himself out
of practice along with some of his coaches!!...dah
Utefan | 4:21 a.m. Aug. 6, 2010Once a Zoob always a Zoob!! Send Jan
to practices in Happy Valley and Kyle up on the Hill.============So
by that line of thinking Kyle has to leave too because he was a zoob too.
To UtefanKyle is a "Zoob."
The hypocrisy I'm reading on these posts is dripping down my monitor and pooling
on my desk.Do any of you zoob apologists (like Maverick, Bluto,
BYUH, Only In Utah, etc.) think Bronc wouldn't have done the exact same thing if
a 2009 Utah grad (like maybe Brian Johnson) had showed up at a zoo practice? I
know he would - and rightfully so, I might add.Jorgensen is still as
tight with the zoob players/staff as he was last year. He still hangs out with
those guys, visits their locker room after practice...he's a spy hiding behind a
LOL @ the Utes....Seriously!? Was Kyle worried that Jorgensen would
report their "super-secret" skill training excercises? Kyle.... this
ain't grade school anymore. Jorgensen is an adult who understands life. Time for
you to become one too. I mean, certainly Kyle, of ALL people, should understand
that just because you played for football for BYU, doesn't mean your allegiances
stay there the rest of your life. I'm sure Whittingham has heard
this one before:Paranoia will destroy 'ya. Sheesh.....
So much for the "grown up" Whittingham.
Too bad Jan obviously couldn't make it in the NFL. Wasn't he your star defensive
C'mon Cougar fans - let's not make this bigger than what it really is. You make
it sound like if Kyle Gunther went be-bopping over to LES with pen and paper
that Bronco would greet him with punch and cookies. Give me a break!Ever since ever since the Pac 10 invite, ever since the two BCS wins, ever
since the 98 NCAAs, really ever since 1993 - you've been waiting with
anticipation to jump allover Utah's football program and this is what you are
hinging your emotions on?!Everybody take a deep breath and realize
that this is about a freakin football program - not your mother's eternal
I am an avid ute fan and a 1280 the zone listener. Jan and Kyle can both be
homers but they are sportscasters now. They are professionals and not spies. We
need to mellow out and stop the top secret atmosphere on the hill.Go
Get real, DN!!!This is no worthy news to publish.
If BYU refused to have a former Ute, now media personality, cover a BYU
practice, the BYU-haters would be out in droves. I think the Utes were a little
short sighted on this one.
1280 the zone has really slipped lately in terms of the ratings. They have the
talent to beat out KFAN, but for whatever reason, they have not utilized it.
This is going to be a boost to them. I know I will be tuning in to 1280 at 10
to catch what Jan thinks about this. I imagine others will too. Normally, I
listen to romey at that time because I cant stand Jan and gunther. I think Whit was in the right here. Its his practice and he didn't really
have time to investigate. He has work to do. He doesn't have time to look into
possible conflicts of interest. Adn it seems like it wasn't his call anyway.
But hey, with utah moving to the pac-10, harmon needs more sour
didn't karl malone used to say 'do what ya gotta do', and utah did just that-no
big deal really.....on a related note, as far as being a 'radio personality'
gunther is just horrible and has demonstrated no knowledge or worthy opinion
whatsoever on any topic outside of utah football....jorgensen seems to be a
decent guy but radio host really isn't his strong suit either....i will cut hans
a break because he has become pretty good and petty funny, while these other two
make me reach for the station changing button only after a few minutes
I think this is probably being blown out of proportion. Jan is less than a year
removed from the BYU program, and probably still trains with a lot of the guys.
It isn't that he played at BYU, it is that he played at BYU so recently.And the article even says that Whit didn't ask for it to happen. It probably
went something like this:Whit-"Is that Jan Jorgensen over there? I can't
say I'm entirely comfortable with him being here."Media assistant-"Do you
want me to ask him to leave?"Whit-"I don't really like it, but
whatever."Then the assistant asked him to leave. I agree that they
should have let it go, but I'm also quite sure the media is making it a bigger
deal than it was.
Insecurity Kyle and half his staff were once Cougars. Remove them all.
If it were a UTE kicked out of BYU practice then it would be a story. Jan is a
BYU graduate and has joined the media. He has every right to be where he is
sent by his employer. He's no more a spy than any other former BYU player
currently on the U of U coaching staff. Man up Whittingham. What are you
hiding on the first day of practice?
It was reported the other day that Duke's Coach K wouldn't eat a meal in Chapel
Hill, eleven miles down the road. Something about being concerned how people
there would treat him.This move by Utah reps is even dumber. I
suppose U officials will try and get the color of the sky changed, the color on
interstate highway signs altered, and will refuse to utter the words, "Brigham
Young University". What a climate of overreaction and plan
C'mon folks.... let's cut Kyle some slack here. It's apparent he saw
right through Jan's "cover" as a "sports reporter" to try and sneak in and
discover the Utes "secrets" to putting together a mediocre 8-4 team. Bronco is
OBVIOUSLY paying him to find out the secret to CONSISTANTLY being a 3rd place
team in the MWC and then getting an invite to an "upper-echelon" conference like
the PAC. Man, them Utes.... sharp as tacks. Got to get up pretty
early in the morning to sneak anything over on them. Nice try though, Jan. Maybe
we'll have to try to get you to spy on some OTHER powerhouse-football team
Pretty sure in the past BYU practices have been closed to all media types except
for small time periods at the end of practice. This is not a big deal. The
story also mentions that Kyle Gunther, former Ute, left as well and returned
later. Who cares really. The coach did not make the decision, so don't blame
Kyle. I am sure if he had the time he would have gone and talked to Jan
Jorgensen and worked something out. But, it is the SID's job to manage all
media relations, and that is what she did. No big deal. Move on.
When was the last time Whittingham was affiliated with the cougar program? contrastWhen was the last time Jan was affiliated with the
cougar program?I rest my case.
Perhaps Kyle Whittingham should be banned from Ute practises, after all he
played for BYU also!
It makes sense, doesn't it?Now that Utah is a major schools, it
should only allow real professional sport writers/reporters.Thanks
for the report, Dick.
@ Observationist 8:32whats your point? the ute-haters are out in
droves. This isn't even a big deal.
Re: Dave SYes that's true. And your team with the six mighty draft
picks still couldn't beat him last year.Re: umanamiAt
least Jorgensen, as well as Olson, tries to be impartial when discussing BYU and
Utah. In fact, they are often very complementary of Utah. Listening to Gunther
is a complete joke. He couldn't say anything good about BYU if his life depended
on it. He rips on BYU all the time, much like how a fifth grader would sound.
That my friend is a homer.
Take a chill pill, BYU. This is the first year hazing of ex-BYU players turned
radio host. I remmeber Hans Olsen's first report from Ute practice. Whit gave
me nothing for material in his interview. Hilarious! Kicking Jan out,
hilarious! Have fun rookie Jan.
GOOD choice coach!Now 1280 should yank him off the radio. Really!
Have you heard that "Red & Blue" afternoon show? Even as a true Ute fan
faithful, I can barley stand Gunther acting senseless LIVE on the radio let
alone adding a clueless Zoob to the show? Real talk fellas your show get's worse
everyday. You spend so much time yapping about nonsense, Just take a listen to
it your selves & you will hear bottom of the barrel sports talk radio. With Jim
Rome on one side of the dial & Dan Patrick on the other, you would really think
1280 would aim higher to air a quality show? Anyhow I think any
X-Zoob should never be allowed into UTAH Football practice period! Have them go
to good ol' happy valley & cover "Provo State"Go UTES I'm gone like Max Halls parents after that apparent beer shower....
LOL @ SoCalUtahFan, Having NEVER been to college, even my high
school degree would never permit me to say "Now that Utah is a major
schools"..... Grammar anyone? Obviously that degree you received from the U of U
is roughly worth the same as a high school diploma. Yeah, you're a
major football school now kind of like the Detroit Lions are a professional
football team. Two peas in a pod.
It may interest some of the Utah bashers on this board that the PAC 12 has an
official policy of not letting members of mid-major conferences at their
practices.It makes sense, because it would be like letting
executives from Yugo Motors have unfettered access to Porsche Motor's factory
As a major-league school now, Utah should put all the sport
writers/reporters who want to cover Utah through a re-qualification process.
How do we spell "INSECURITY"?K y l e W h i t t i n g h a m....Shades of Gary Crowton?If only The Whitster was this
cautious/prudent, when it came to having his family on the sidelines at the end
of the BYU game.Misplaced priorities. Wouldn't trade
Kyle for Bronco in a million years....
Ute coaches and fans should have welcomed Jorgensen to practice with open arms.
Maybe he was there to help out the program. It could have been history repeating
itself seeing that most of the Utes success has come from a Leader (Whittingham)
that learned from the best, as in Coach Edwards. Face its, BYU products have
made you what you think you are today.
To Howard S.: Wow! I've heard some pretty arrogant sports fans, but I've never
heard one claim that the local news stations aren't good enough to cover a local
team (congratulations...you just did something that even arrogant BYU fans may
never do). To Magic Happens: While I agree with you that the DN
leans towards BYU (and Harmon is a big BYU homer), I guarantee that if Bronco
asked Guenther to leave fall camp, it would make the DN (papers love a good
controversy more than they love a good sports team).From the
article, it sounded as though Kyle wasn't the one that ordered him out. Was it
just a PR person that claimed Kyle had a problem with Jan being there?
Clarification would be nice.
Oh look another non story by the BYU homer Dick Harmon to show how unfairly YBU
is being treated. From what I read in an earlier article this week all practices
and scrimmages were closed to the public so if you weren't invited don't go.
Utah is not obligated to open it's practice to anyone and public opinion isn't
going to change it.
Totally pathetic.What kind of a whimp is Kwit?Besides
the utes keep hiring BYU products.You don't think there is a spy in
that group?There is.
Why are people up in arms over this. It makes complete sense to me. Less than
1 year ago Jorgensen was the teammate to Max Hall who ranted and raved that he
hated everything about BYU. Jorgensen on his own radio show (which is anything
but "professional" if you've heard it) even stated he didn't have a problem with
Max's comments since they won the game. So, why is anyone at Utah going to
allow a person that obviously still has STRONG ties to another conference team
to come into their practice.....kind of defeats the purpose. I say
1280 The should kick out Jorgensen and Gunther for having an uninteresting and
completely unprofessional radio program too.
To all you BYU folks:This is how programs from big conferences act.
Even when we look at Indiana from the Big 10.....the lowliest of programs from
the Big 10 conference.....they have bushes that are 8 feet high all around the
practice field to keep onlookers out and they have security guards patrol the
perimiters during practice. Now that Utah is BCS and in a big time conference,
I agree that they should take whatever steps possible to be on top.Get used to it....this is how the big boys operate!!
SoCalUtahFan, I agree with you. Utah should do a pre-qualification process. At
least that way they could have reporters that can spell, unlike some of the Ute
Did I say BYU by 30 this year? They are so tight and paranoid because they
want to show that they belong in the PAC 10. This will be a very interesting
year. Jorgensen should be welcomed anytime the media is invited to view
practice. Come on Kyle!
@ ute4ever 9:42 amen to that. The quality at 1280 has taken a big
hit. I completely stopped listening to monson last week when he went on ripping
kyle whittingham about not taking pac10 questions. I switched to Bill and
Spence. Jan and Gunther are so juvenille. I switched back to Rome. John and
Hans is still ok, unless they get derailed with thier inside jokes (which
happens a lot). I should mention that DJ and PK and Locked on Sports are awful.
Absolultely terrible. Id rather listen to Hannity.
Otis Spurlock wrote:"It may interest some of the Utah bashers on
this board that the PAC 12 has an official policy of not letting members of
mid-major conferences at their practices.It makes sense, because it
would be like letting executives from Yugo Motors have unfettered access to
Porsche Motor's factory and secrets."Interesting and true.
Although I would say that letting a mid-major like BYU at Utah practices would
be like letting the Haitian Military have free reign of the Pentagon to learn
all of the secrets of the United States military.
I guarantee this would not happen in a Bronco Mendenhall practice. If it is a
practice open to the media, then why isn't a local radio personality not
welcome. Grow up Kyle Whittingham. I have never heard of this before, hey they
let Hans Olsen at practices. What is the difference? I have always respected
Whittingham as a football player and a coach, now I don't know if I can respect
the guy at all. What a sophmoric thing to do.
come on bradleyc!read the article! not Kyle's call! sheesh bradleyc!
Uoobies are paranoid. They need to grow up.
I am laughing at some of the utes fans posts. Listening to you guys trying to
justify this. All teams from big conferences act like this. HA! HA! Then why
does the SEC have so many practices open to the public. You guys are so
hillarious. Keep thinking that way. Oh yeah I just heard that you guys don't
even get a share of the Pac 12 money until 2013. So much for being big time.
You will still be playing in the Poinsettia Bowl, you will just be playing in a
Max Hall was totally right about everything.
Hey yewties - If you're so full of 'class', why doesn't your
leadership trust the media?Another reason why Max was right....
@Cougarnateguess what, no one respects you either, because you
clearly DIDNT READ THE ARTICLE!
OK imagine this being said in a really bad lisp"You guys are so
classless! I can't believe you would turn away one of our greatest players ever!
It's not like your practices are like top-secret or something."Get
over it! His practice, he can do what he wants. I'm sure Bronco would do the
same if Brian Johnson showed up down south anyway.The kitties are
crying about nothing. You should be worrying about your team going up against
@ Big_Ben 10:05I agree that 1280 the zone has stunk it up for a
while now. Ever since the big exodus....they are terrible. Can't even
listen.Monson is the absolute worst. He got mad at Urban Meyer back
in the day because he wouldn't grant him an interview and has had a burr in his
butt since then about Urban. Now he has a burr in because Whitt wants to
concentrate on this year. Really, if you do anything to make Monson's job
harder....you get on his bad side.For me, KFAN is MUCH better. I'd
prefer to listen to Locke who actually does some prep work before his shows and
has guests that add insight rather than just get on there and spout off
opinions. He really breaks it down, which is a huge differnece from Monson,
who's "opinion" is the only thing he gives.
OK, the Brian Johnson example would not work cause he is a coach. Although I am
pretty confident Bronco would send him packing :)Let's just say any
former Ute player at a byu practice would be asked to leave firmly.
I couldn't care less if Whittingham asks a member of the media to leave his
practice, bu we all know that if Bronco had done this to a former Ute player,
like Kyle Gunther, the Ute fans would be coming out of the woodwork to assail
It will be interesting to see how the comments flip if Bronco kicks Gunther from
the BYU practice on Saturday.
If Utah put all writers/reporters thru a re-qualification process, who do
you think will not qualify?Jorgensen would be one of them...
@ imcrimson - Thank you for proving that Utah's achievements CAN be covered in
one sentence. U folks are just priceless! Seems like the
tables are turning on the precious "arrogance" claims. Ute fan, can you really
tell me that this doesn't wreak of arrogance?
Re: Bear6You wrote: "Ute coaches and fans should have welcomed
Jorgensen to practice with open arms. Maybe he was there to help out the
program. It could have been history repeating itself seeing that most of the
Utes success has come from a Leader (Whittingham) that learned from the best, as
in Coach Edwards. Face its, BYU products have made you what you think you are
today."Your last sentence is funny, and not just because you later
called out Utah fans' spelling. Your address must be 123
Living-in-a-glass-house-throwing-stones Drive. You have to acknowledge all of
BYU's history. Your history didn't start when Lavell arrived, skip Crowton and
start again with Bronco. Lavell Edwards was not a "BYU product".
He was a Utah State product. Maybe that is why you stole their school colors.
@ute4everI personally cant stand locke. but yeah, he does a better
job of preperation and has better guests than monson does. Ever listen to Bill
wow is this news worthy?
Hey TruBlue - that was a cute and cleaver comment and I'm sure you feel good
about yourself. I only listed some things that Utah has done that BYU fans are
dealing poorly with. I likewise remember Utah fans having a hard time with 1984
as well. My point wasn't that Utah has accomplished more (because the reality is
both schools are both same thing) - my point was why are we making this
Jorgensen thing a big deal? Your attitude and comment kind of proved my point.
Relax Cougar fans - we'll all get through this and it's going to be okay.
@ COUGARNATE 10:25You apparently are such an expert on SEC football
that you can enlighten us on how many practices are open to the public. Fact
is, I know a few things about Indiana which, again, is one of the lowliest of
football programs in the BIG 10. NONE of their practices are open to the
public. That is just how it is when there is so much on the line between
winning and losing. So, I admire Utah for doing everything in their power to
keep all the advantages and trade secretes tight.Despite your
intimate knowledge of college football, it amazes me you don't know how much
money Utah gets of the PAC 10 share when they get in. In 2011, they get
nothing. In 2012, they get 1/2 the share (1/2 of $16 million is $8 million,
which is better than the $1 million the MWC teams get), in 2013 they get 75%
share, and in 2014 they get 100% share. I'm sure you already knew that since
its been documented several times....but maybe you only know about the SEC
football monies being the expert there and all!!!
The "This is how teams from big conferences act" comment was hilarious!
Wow...Way to go Utah fan. What a classic response to the
situation.....But BYU fans are the arrogant ones, right? Hmm....
V/O | 9:18 a.m"Anyhow I think any X-Zoob should never be allowed
into UTAH Football practice period! Have them go to good ol' happy valley &
cover "Provo State"Go UTES"---------------------------------ROFLOL!!! V/O, how well do you
know your football coaching staff?
I graduated from the,"U" and my wife from nursing school at the,"Y". After
reading all of the blew bloods venomous comments she said that she hadn't seen
that much display of testosterone in the 4 years on the BYU campus. I
read the comments often and , for the sake of argument , could we limit the
smack to just the Mend and Maul, coach Kyle era ?
This is getting ridiculous. I wish those that screen the comments would look at
them and throw out any comments that said "this just shows how petty and
rediculous KW can be" or "lost respect for him today"clearly, he did
not make the call. And clearly, you did not read the story.
I believe Jan is a man of his word. If he will say he never uses his position
as a reporter to provide private scouting reports to other teams, he should be
allowed into practice. I think Dick Harmon would be the perfect individual to
ask him that question. You can even the ask the other reporters the same
question if you like.Fair enough?
Arynen | 11:34 a.m. Aug. 6, 2010ROFLOL!!! V/O, how well do you know
your football coaching staff?---------------FYI...Anyone that rejects BYU for Utah is not a Zoob.
Re: Brave Sir Robin @ 8:11Love the screen name! Maybe you can
answer this: do coconuts migrate?
Wow read the story again. Coach Witt did not ask him to leave so it is not his
fault. Are you telling me that if Gunther or BJ went to Coug's practice they
would be sitting around the cooler giving secrets. Nice try get over
yourselves, Witt is judged for everything he does. I guess to me that proves
Bronco isn't that much better than is he? No show me your stats I love it when
you spin them in your favor. Get on the field that is what matters.
"This is getting ridiculous. I wish those that screen the comments would look at
them and throw out any comments that said "this just shows how petty and
rediculous KW can be" or "lost respect for him today"clearly, he did
not make the call. And clearly, you did not read the story. "I did
read the story and my comment obviously got under your skin... and my comment
did get thrown out. When was the last time you said "this is getting rediculous"
to any post by hedgehog? You claim to have a level head about the rivalry...
obviously thats not true.I'm pretty sure any and all current and
former utah students would be more than welcome down in Provo on the first day.
Bronco would give them a pen and paper and tell them to make a list of who
finished the run to the Y. First days cant be that complicated.
Ute fans would do well to follow KWhitt's example--no mention about the
Pac 10-12 until the season is over.Remember, you are not currently
in a "big-time conference" (unless you consider the MWC such...which you
constantly claim is not the case).You are still from a non-AQ
conference. Any belittling you do of current MWC foes just stokes the fires.With the running of your mouths, anything less than a MWC championship
from the team on the hill this year, in every sport, will be a major choke job.
Good luck with that.
See the comments on this board was worth a chuckle. Good zingers and comebacks
from both sides. Well done! Can't we just all be friends? We can have the
week of the big game and the weekend for each basketball game to talk trash,
zing each other, paint our faces, and act like sophomores. Then we should go
into hibernation for the year. How about it?.....No? BummerOne
mother: "Can't you two just be friends and get along? You play together all
the time.""No, becuase he wears blue.""No, because he wears red."
Mother: "You niether the bloods nor the crypts. It's just
Henry Drummond | 11:56 a.m. Aug. 6, 2010 Interesting comment. So,
if Jorgensen says it, you can take it to the bank, right?Isn't this
the same guy who was reprimanded by the league last year for shooting off his
mouth about Air Force?
"According to Jorgensen, Utah media relations specialist Liz Abel approached him
and said head coach Kyle Whittingham was not comfortable having him at practice
and requested he leave."Clearly, Whittingham initiated Jan's removal
from practice because of Kyle's own paranoia about a reporter who used to play
for BYU "spying" on his practice.Just when you think Kyle is finally
starting to mature from his onside kick fiasco, he demonstrates his immaturity
once again.Utah fans can try to sugarcoat this all they want to but
we all know they'd be all over this if Bronco had done the exact same thing to
Gunther.Either you allow all reporters into your practices or you
don't allow any. Kyle may be moving to the big leagues, but he's still acting
like he's in PeeWee league.
@sports junkieyou have me confused with someone else, or you are
attempting to do stand up comedy. I am always on hedgehog and Chris b for
trolling the boards. They are always complaining about me being a "sellout" or
"ignorant". and dont give yourself any credit. your comment didn't
"get under my skin", its just annoying to read post after post spewing nonsense
without reading the article. its counter productive to having good discussion,
which is what Im all about.
Re: MOUteSince the PR person said that it wasn't Whit that threw
Jorgensen out, I guess we should take that to the bank too? Who's to say she
isn't just taking the blame for it?Isn't Whit the same guy who had
his team do an onside kick against Wyoming while up 45-0?
MOUtewhat does a reprimand from the MWC for spouting off about an
opponent have to do with being a reporter?Nice red herring, but I
fail to see the connection.Are you suggesting that Jan wasn't
actually kicked out of Utah's practice and that he made the whole thing up just
to make kwhit look petty?Just admit that King Whit was acting
paranoid and move on.
Apparently K-twit has forgotten the lessons he learned about life from Lavell
Edwards, and instead focuses more on the example of urban- wasn't he the one who
recently attacked and threatened a reporter because he asked a question about a
comment made by a player during an earlier interview.If this is how
the "upper" half operate, then I'd just as soon have nothing to do with them.And to all the hypocritical u fans on the message boards- if this
situation was in reverse, there would be 500 comments on here already ripping
all over Bronco and BYU for their mid-major bush-league tactics. But if it
deals with the mighty, holier-than-thou u program it must be ok and you should
just 'leave us alone'.Here's to u and your 7-5 season at best coming
Has anyone considered the possibility that they were more concerned with
Jorgensen being a distraction than about him being a spy? They never accused him
of spying on the practice, like the byu comments would have us believe. But
think about it, a byu grad who played for the cougars last season and is known
for mouthing off shows up at the first day of practice at the U. He is not going
to sit there quietly and be the model journalist, he is going to be a
Lighten up Cougs you got caught trying to spy. Clearly Bronco sent his henchman
to scout out Utah's practice in attempts to figure out how to go undefeated and
then crush the BCS.2-0 vs0-0
and dont give yourself any credit. your comment didn't "get under my skin", its
just annoying to read post after post spewing nonsense without reading the
article. its counter productive to having good discussion, which is what Im all
about.Well, there were numerous other people talking about how Whitt
made an error in judgement, but I didnt see you calling for their post to be
removed. In fact, Ive never seen you complain to have a post removed EVER! Some
of your ute buddies post some of the most rediculous things about BYU but I
never see anyone, red or blue calling for DN to remove the post... thats why I
was certain that my comment put you over the top.
CG | 1:58 p.m. Aug. 6, 2010 You fail to see the connection?
Really?? Jan says he's there to do a report. You believe him...I don't. His
behavior last year is foundational to the circumstances today, in my opinion.
Your basis for believing him is???I concur with Liz Abel's
actions.His assignment to cover a Ute practice could very well have
been an error in judgment by the person who sent him. "I'm sure
coach Whittingham was doing what he believed was looking out for his team," said
Jorgensen.Sounds to me like Jorgensen understands the
situation...why can't you?
@ ThrillerThats what I think it was. Most of the ute players would
know him. They probably felt like he would be a distraction. Whit wants his
guys focused. It was a poor decision by 1280 the zone to have him go there.
Yes, Hans was allowed there, but he has not played at BYU in a decade and no one
knows who he is. As a ute fan, I am very impressed with how the
utah football staff has handled things this year. I think we are in for a treat
this year. cant wait! less than four weeks away now!
spying? come on. USC during the entire carroll era had open practices EVERY DAY
to the public
I just noticed the story was written by none other than Dick Harmon. I've said it before and I'll say it again...Dick Harmon is a liability to the
DN and needs to be assigned to a different school. In fact, he and his fellow
sports reporters should be rotated every few years...Jorgensen can start his
career covering Utah State.This story is a dream come true for
I guess if you can't keep Jan out of your QB's earhole, at least you can keep
him out of your practice...
If all it takes for the Utes to be "distracted" is having a former BYU player
standing on the sidelines, the Utes are in serious trouble.sorry,
boomThe last thing Bronco needs is inside tips on how to run a
Mickey MoUse practice. Bronco already knows how to beat Kyle, 3 out
of 5 head to head, including 3 of the last 4.And if Bronco needs
advice he's already got the College Football Hall of Fame coach who taught Kyle
everything he knows about football.
@sports junkieyours was the most handy, it was right there. I just
wish people would READ the article and comprehend it before spouting off such
non-sense. As far as the ute fans who spout off non-sense, they are trolls and
they drive me nuts too.
@MOUteHey I'm a big a Utah fan but I recognize a class act when I
see it. He criticized his own fans for their part in the ugliness that sometimes
surrounds the Great Rivalry rather than taking the one sided view that others
often do. I would bet Kyle would accept his word as would others. Give him a
Why did we even invite such a paranoid coach and fan base to join our elite BCS
league?If they're this scared of weak little mid-major schools, how
are they ever going to compete against the big boys of the PAC?Oh
well. At least they can help Washington State and Colorado feel good about
@ anti BCSthats a load of garbage. If Brian Johnson showed up last
year to BYU camp as a media member (which he was) , the BYU players would have
been distracted, it would have at least been on thier minds. And
bragging about "3 of 5" is pretty silly. Thats hardly enough to make a case for
Honestly, it is the media who lives and breathes the Utah/BYU controversy. I
quit listening to sports radio a few weeks ago when they started yet another
segment with the BYU/Utah rivalry and how it will be affected by the Utes move
to the PAC-12. I am weary of the need the media has to feed the fire and create
further controversy. It is time to lay it to rest. Happily, after this season
we just might be able to hear news stories about one school without the other
one even being mentioned.
I doubt Brian Johnson would have distracted any BYU players; certainly not
enough to disrupt practice or bother Bronco enough to have Brian kicked out of
practice.The is strictly Kyle's MO, throwing another one of his
little temper tantrums to get one final dig in at Jan for helping to beat him
last season; same kind of thing Kyle did in calling for the onside kick against
Hey Anti BCS-Put your big boy pants on for a minute and let's talk
facts and not your little emotions... 3 out of 5 is correct and that
is a grand total of 1 game better. 3 of last 4 is also correct. All
3 wins were last minute improbable wins but they were wins (and great
games)congratulations.3 of the last 8 is also correct.7
of the last 17 is also correct.Whittingham learning from Edwards is
correct. He also learned from McBride and Meyer while Bronco was learning from
Crowton. The truth is Bronco is a good coach and a good man and I'm trying not
to get caught in your jr high school silliness.C'mon everybody -
just admit that there is really not a lot of difference between the two schools
and most of the degrading comments on this thread makes us all sound like
hillbillies.Go Utes and Go Cougs (except when they play each
You coogs are hilarious!At times you all say that Kwitt is classless
and a horrible coach next to Bronco.... That he ran up the score against the
pokes and a miriad of other deficiencies.Then you all make
references that Kyle learned everything from Lavell. Which is it?!!!
Well said Anne26! I will read your posts anytime. Congratulations you have some
common sense. There are great fans at both schools and there are jerks at both
schools and they seem to gravitate to these message boards. They are the same
ones that are throwing stuff at fans at games (which happens at both schools
well said utahcountyute, i doubt they realize the irony. too good.@anti BCSyour post told me all I need to know. You are a drama
queen and have officially been added to my "ignore user" list. Thanks!
appreciate the info!
Kyle learned how to coach from LaVell. He learned how to be classless from
Urban. He learned how to win from both.
Arynen | 11:34 a.m. Aug. 6, 2010 Your observation is absolutely
hilarious...I'm still laughing. As you said...ROFLOL!!!
He's still afraid of Jorgenson...funny.
Does this remind anyone of cold fusion?
"He was concerned about the capacity in which he was there"Did
Kyle even know that Jan was working for 1280? My guess is no. I'm sure he gets
enough of the radio types and would not be caught dead listening to them in his
free time.You have players who know who Jan is. Kyle does not know
why he is seeing a former (loud mouth) byu player and questions why he is there.
PR lady asks him to leave. Pretty straight forward.Kyle does not
mess around and who can blame him.
Of course we don't want a BYU loyal at our first practice. It's a bad omen for
the entire season.Would the Cougars want one of our great defenders
at your first practice. I think not.Come to think of it, the Utes
shouldn't let anyone from the D-news in either. It's basically an arm of BYU's
PR Department.I swear each morning, Brad Rock, Dick Harmon, and crew
get together and devise negative stories they can cook up to bring the Utes
down.Whit probably has a bulletin board full of D-News stories he
uses to motivate his troops.
utahcountyute-Kyle initially learned from Lavell, but then went
through the urban years- which definitely turned him into a different person.
That's when and where the lack of respect came from- he couldn't even call the
school by it's proper name, had urinal cakes printed with BYU on them installed
in the locker room, etc. This rivalry wasn't nearly so ugly until those
years.To make matters worse that was the Gary Crowton era, and he
didn't do much at taking the higher road either, but bit hook, line, and sinker.
Before long things got way out of control and here we are today.Any
way you look at it- urban was the first and biggest classless leader associated
with the rivalry, and k-twit has just followed in his footsteps.
Jan has MANY 'blue' friends that he could share Ute information with. Not that
he would, but an objective evaluation can lead one to understand why Whit might
be concerned here. Remember, Whit did NOT ask Jan to leave. Liz Abel
made the call and I am sure it was uncomfortable for her to do. I support her
decision but at the same time, I don't want to shoot distrust towards Jan
either.With all of this said, is it really a big deal at this point?
Jan coming to the hill and being rolled down is the inconvenience. Will he be
welcome back? I don't know, but my guess is yes.
Seriously, the only reason he was kicked out was because BYU doesn't play on
I the reason Jan was removed was because a Ute fan was about to pour beer on hm.
Kyle just saved his life, you BYU fans should be thanking him.Why
is it that Dick is the only on reporting this as an issue. SL Trib, nope.
ESPN, nope.Move on fokes, this is a non issue.
Jan is a spy. Kyle knows how the BYU program works.
Wyoming Cougar - Take a close look at yourself. You didn't like Meyer and you
don't like Whittingham. You call them classless. And the common denominator with
them is they both took the Utes to a BCS game. I suspect if Boylen is successful
takes the Utes back to the 16s and 8s that it is used to - you will call him
classless too. Why can't you just be happy with your Cougars and let the Utes be
happy with their team. Why all the silliness and insecurity?
paranoia is running rampant on the hillBYU sending in spies
disguised as reporters to steal top secret practice strategies that all of the
other reporters are too clueless to seeall of the MWC teams
conspiring to gang up on the Utesthey're too good to even be
associated with the MWC, yet they're acting like scared little rabbitslovely
Liz Abel is a joke. Honey, you guys are few months removed from the PAC 12. I
think you need to get in contact with the SID's in the PAC 12. Oh, I like the
Assistant AD title. Silly.By the way, USC had open practices all the
time as long with many others in the conference. Clearly there is a gulf
between the MWC and the PAC 12 thinking.
anti BCS is correctThis is just anothor one of Kyle's juvenile
stunts to get revenge for getting beat last year.Kyle gets his
feeling hurt because an opposing coach guarantees a win over Utah, so he gets
revenge by trying an onside kick when he's up by 50.Kyle gets his
feeling hurt because Jan helped beat him last year, so he gets revenge by
kicking Jan out of practice.
This just in: teams might actually be practicing plays they don't want their
competition to find out about during a CLOSED practice.Think about
it a theoretical situation: Would a former TCU player be welcome at a Boise
State practice last season? No way no how. Boise State lives and dies on the
trick plays, and if a former TCU player had tipped his previous team off about a
certain trick play (like the one used to beat TCU in a BCS bowl game), it could
have had disastrous consequences for Boise State.While Jorgensen is
not a BYU player anymore, he's still too close for my comfort. You don't think
he still hangs out with some of his football buddies who are still playing? Utah had every right to ask him to leave, and, it sounds like Jorgensen
was more than willing to be respectful of that. If it makes you feel better,
1280 can opt to not send Gunther to the BYU practice...
These posts are great entertainment. Jorgensen is fine with the
incident and understands the actions. So...what's the problem with BYU fans?
Oh, wait, I already know the answer to that question. Ok, so the
next question is, why is this story even being reported: Followed closely by:
How did Dick Harmon get this story?I think Jorgensen has the answer
to those questions.
wyoming cougar | 4:51 p.m. Aug. 6, 2010 Good grief, did you dream up
that conspiracy all by yourself? You need to get back on your meds. btw; the US really did land on the moon.
Funny, HOw utah never got the BCS level, until they had EX BYU
Players coachng them.
C'mon Whit this is equal to on-sides when up by 40! Keep acting this way and the
PAC 10 is going to eat you up. You'll be laughed out of a job.
Jimmy JamesThink about this:NOBODY is practicing plays
that they might not want their competition to find out about IN THEIR FIRST
practice without pads.And, NOBDOY is practicing plays that they
might not want their competition to find out about FOUR MONTHS before they play
that competition.Try using a little common sense. Guaranteed, if
Bronco has a practice that any reporters are free to attend, he won't be kicking
reporters with ties to Utah out of practice.Kyle was just
demonstrating his immaturity.
"Jorgensen is fine with the incident and understands the actions. So...what's
the problem with BYU fans?"Jorgensen is just being an adult about
the incident. BYU fans are just pointing out how childish
Whittingham is being.Bronco would never do something so juvenile;
but, we all know that Utah fans would never let it rest if Bronco ever kicked a
"Utah" reporter out of a practice.
@scott"Kyle was just demonstrating his immaturity."It's
so immature to not want players from your arch-rival there casting a shadow and
negative vibe over your first practice of the summer.The coaches
didn't want him there, the players didn't want him there, and we fans don't want
him there.Coach Whit did the right thing looking out for his
players.If this is such a big deal and you're so hurt, you can cry
yourself to sleep tonight with your Vegas Bowl trophy.
Hey, this is interesting I just read the article about BYU's running backs..."THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MICROPHONE: Two key members of last year's BYU
defense, safety Scott Johnson and defensive lineman Jan Jorgensen, have
graduated. Their new jobs involve covering the 2010 squad on the radio."If Jorgensen is "covering the 2010 squad on the radio," why is he at
Utah's practice? Nothing better to do today than attend a practice closed to
the public? Wanted to spend some quality time with Dick Harmon but needed a
good reason?Well?This drama is great fun!
This is rediculous, Jan was simply trying to do his job as an employee of 1280
the zone. If other media members were welcome to attend, then Jan has just as
much right to be there as they do. This just proves how paranoid the utes really
are. What is next will they build a 50 foot max. security fence around their
facilities? If Whitt is gonna be that way then the media should just boycott
covering the utes alltogether.
Found a GREAT t-shirt. It says "Fully Invited"! Best t-shirt since "Quest
Perfected"! Too great!Go Utes! Go Whitt - You are the man!For all you zoobs - the fUtUre is Crimson, get Used to it!!
CougarOnTheProwl "If Whitt is gonna be that way then the media
should just boycott covering the utes alltogether."Yeah, because the
Deseret News is completely fair to Utes and Jorgensen was anxious to talk about
what a great program they have.I completely support Coach
Whittingham and the Utah athletic staff. Besides, it's fun watching the tds
collective spin out of control.
Too bad Liz Abel didn't just tell him the truth, THE PRACTICES ARE CLOSED!!!
Re: OtisEnough with the Sunday play thing. We already know why Utah
was invited to the Pac 10.
hahahaha...hilarious, juvenile, and silly...hahahahaha...but oh so funny...
Kyle will fit right in with Lane Kiffin of the USC.
Puddy | 11:37 p.m. Aug. 6, 2010 I agree completely, we do know why
Utah was invited to the PAC:1) Academics2) Research3)
Athletic prowessNow, back to the topic of the article...Good decision coach Whittingham and GO UTES!!!!
Whittingham should either allow all credentialed media into his practices, or
none.Kicking out a reporter just because he has BYU ties is bush
league. I'm disappointed in Kyle. I thought he'd matured since that Wyoming
Bummer for Jan. Im sure he was excited to see his first "real" football
practice, since he's never attended one before.
Jorgensen is intelligent enough to read. The practices are closed to the
public. That message was communicated clearly before practices began this week.
There is nothing to debate. End of story.
A few things for the shortsighted to consider. Both BYU and USC have ran the
same offenses since the 70s. If either of them had a closed practice, it would
be cause for privacy . Add in the fact that Utah has player specific formations,
and as the other articles have pointed out....... formations are what they were
working on...... makes sense to me.By the way...... Jan handled this
like a grown up, why can't the oldest fan base in the country?
Were there other reporters at the practice who were also asked to leave because
it was a "closed practice"?Just admit it. Kyle was still feeling the
pain of losing another heartbreaker to BYU and took out his frustration on Jan.
Was Max Hall correct again? "Utah Classless"?
Funny how DICK got the story.....Strange how Jorgensen (Kojack) went
to a BYU homer with the details. I'm sure Mendencode and Jorgensen
speak all the time.
Hedghog,Don't you ever have anything good to say about BYU? Just
because BYU has never been invited to join an elite BCS Conference doesn't mean
there is nothing good to say about BYU.Just because BYU has never
been to a BCS Bowl doesn't mean that there is nothing good to say about BYU.Just because BYU is 4-25 in it's last 25 games against ranked teams
doesn't mean that there is nothing good to say about BYU.Just
because BYU hasn't been to the Sweet 16 in almost 30 years doesn't mean that
there is nothing good to say about BYU.There are lots of good things
to say about BYU. Like, BYU doesn't play on Sundays and taco salads at the
CougarEat are actually pretty good.Give praise where praise is due
is my motto.
Otis SpurlockHilarious...well done!Hedge @ 4:03 is
absolutely correct.The Utes are gonna roll...let the season
Otis,How dare a ute talk about anything prior to the most recent
season. Having lived in SLC for 25 years the word "PAST" was a four-letter word
to ute fans. They would just gear up for the FUTURE in hopes to beat BYU the
upcoming season. Every time 1984 was mentioned all ute fans would just cringe.
They get so irritated when hearing the following:3 of the last 4 Bronco 3, Kyle 2 Top 25 finishes: BYU 17, Utah 6Also,
speaking of ranked teams, how many ranked teams did Utah beat last season in
football? That would be ZERO. BYU beat 3 ranked opponents in 2009.I
had to laugh when you brought up basketball...Ute fan still livin' in the
PAST.But hey, in the near FUTURE you'll be in the Pac 10. At least
there's something to talk about (just don't let Kyle hear you until 2011).
Las Vegas Coug,I love talking about the past too. I have fond
memories of eating my grandma's sugar cookies and listening to her talk about
Elvis Presley.You know what is even more fun? Living in the
present. Presently, the score is:Utah PAC 12BYU
MWCUtah 2 BCS BowlsBYU 0 BCS BowlsUtah 8-3 against BYU this decadeUtah 22nd best basketball
program of all time (ESPN)BYU Quest for Perfection!!Us BYU fans love talking about the past, because the past is all we
Vegas Coug,Do you need a hug? I know it must be very difficult and
emotional watching the Utes move on to much better and much bigger things. It's
kind of like watching your big brother dating Megan Fox while you are stuck
dating Rosie O'Donnell. :)
Urban closed Florida's practices to "Scum". Whit must still be following in his
foot steps. Jorgensen and Gunther are a joke. So is Harmon - he
should be next on the "Scum" list.
Kyle should excuse himself from practice as well...former BYU player & grad.
He's brought the Utes to greatness because of his alma mater. So, my Ute
friends, you are most welcome. Please return the favor sometime.
Looks like 1280 won't be getting too many people into practice if they can only
use "real" journalists. By the way Otis Spurlock, you need to
learn how to count a decade only has 10 years not 11, and if we're living in the
present, the Utes are in the MWC. If we're living in the future then we can
count then as members of the PAC12