Minutemen maybe mean well but they also go to the extremes like the old Salem
Witch Hunts that made unfounded illogical allegations against people in their
beliefs. I allow the Minutemen and all others to voice their opinions, but
please do some checking to find out the true story before they start their
yelling and making unholy demands. It turns out that there were only a couple of
illegal immigrants on the list and it was the children that were receiving the
benefits and they were born here so they are legal. This country has gotten to
encourage every body to be super negative and super sensitive about every thing.
We need to get back to the values that America has stood for and for Christians
to practice in every day life.
There's a lot of extremism involved in all this immigration talk, but if you are
going to lead something, then LEAD it. The Minutemen group should choose a new
This country is based on Christianity and the foundations of the belief are
Faith Hope and Charity. The greatest being Charity. If we don't hold out our
hand to those most in need are we still Americans. Americans are the last hope
in this world for the downtrodden and wretched hopefuls looking for a way
better. Let's not turn our backs because we can't or won't share this great
land. Our open door has alway been the beacon of hope in this world, let's not
turn off the lights because we are scared of change. Immigrant bot legal and
not have always had a place in this country. Let he who is without sin cast the
first stone. If you have never broken the law, you would be a first. Don't
deny the poor and under advantaged to have a shot at something better. Open up
He had no business setting policy for a group that he doesn't represent as
leader. America can't be the worlds welfare agency. We give a lot of
money to other countries in foreign aid. It's a person who should be deciding
who they are charitable to, not government. It's also not our governments job
to follow a religion, as they represent all religions. The list
turned in parents that were here illegally. They were reporting a crime.
Charity is the greatest love.But the fruit of the Spirit is love,
joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness,
temperance: Against such there is no law.Love the
hispanics as we should love one another. Many are law abiding people and
provide much in charity.Stop listening to Faux News.
Ask for calm and you get verbally abused for two hours. Yeah, that sure sounds
like the America we all want, right? Can't encourage civility or rational
thinking, or else you are branded as evil. Stuff like this is the seed of
Minutemen Chairman Cauley's use of the word "disfellowship" has an eerie,
pseudo-religious tone to it that implies he has more authority than just being
the leader of what is now seen as a bunch of angry, mid-life-crisis, blow-hards.
Mr. Segura had every right, as a free citizen, to express his opinion about the
increasing negative tone in the immigration debate. As a well-known figure in
the debate, he perhaps even had a duty to do so.
Let me be a Prophet. The border is open because there are powerful interests in
the world who want it that way. The politicals of both parties envision a pan
American entity. They dream of a United States of the Americas. Both parties
would gladly have a socialist system with a ruling oligarchy. The politicals
are corrupt. They go to Washington DC and make $165,000 and soon become
multimillionaires. How could that happen? To the trans-nationalists, the
United States is out of step with the world. They prefer a muted less powerful
US. The education of the country has been dumbed down. There is constant
indoctrination from kindergarten on-share-share-share. No one is exceptional,
least of all the US, in the pan-nationalists world. They expect interbreeding to
level the playing field. A poor and uneducated peasant populace is far more
easy to control, grateful for any handout, also you can knock off the trouble
makers. Only God can change what has been set in motion.
Minutemen = SS brown shirtsPeriod.An extremist group
that has only 15 members should not be getting this kind of attention in the
media.My men's league soccer team has more paying members, maybe
Desnews would like to interview us for our opinion on immigration.
Mr. Segura had as an inactive member superimposed himself as the spokes person
for the Utah Minuteman Project. He was not the elected spokes person by the
membership to do so. This was the central issue in last nights
meeting.Many organizations have bylaws and constitutions from which
they operate from. The UMP meeting last night demonstrated an open meeting in
which the membership had a voice to call a person accountable for their actions.
It demonstrated also that an individual can defend their actions.The meeting demonstrated that organizational bylaws and a constitution work
There are fringe groups on both sides of the debate. I agree with
the OP, this is not the America it use to be.
@PoquiThe brown shirts were the SA not the SS. Were Cesar
Chavez and the UFW nazis? They marched in 1969 along the border in Imperial
County to protest illegal immigration. It cracks me up to see La
Raza (The Race) marching down Cesar Chavez Bvld in San Diego, carrying Mexican
flags, protesting against border protection. La Raza by their own definition is
The egregious sin of trying to have a calming effect on the out-of-control
immigration debate is indeed terrible, is it not? What on earth could possibly
come of actually talking to one another and trying to work together? It is
sooooo much better to yell and scream and finger-point in an irrational and
emotional manner than letting "cooler heads prevail." Yes, anger and an
unwillingness to compromise or be team players is what has made this United
States of America great!
Faith Hope and Charity, huh? What about respect, responsibility,
accountability, honor, and justice?Compassion and mercy require
justice, after all.In regard to the illegal alien invaders, they
will play everyone for all they can get. ANY "stand with them" effort will ONLY
be taken advantage of by them. Alex, of all people should know and understand
this. He should know better.As far as the list, if there were
violations done by releasing the list, fine, deal with them.What
this has exposed is that the state DOES know who is legal and who is not. Which
brings up the greater question: Why is the state, OUR state, not obeying the
law themselves, not rooting out these invaders or making an effort to rid
ourselves of them? Where is Shurtleff, Herbert? THEY are the leading law
enforcement officers in the state! Why are they not using all they have to see
that the law, OUR law, is being honored? These two are the real culprits in
this whole mess.
The yelling, cussing, and excoriation for two hours? You know what they say,
you can take the minutemen out of the trailer court but you can't take the
trailer court out of the minutemen!
Good for Alex for standing and saying something positive. I agree that the list
was the wrong thing to do and my guess is that you're not alone.I'm
so tired of this debate. It gives credibility to those who haven't earned it.
Just because you wrap yourself in teh American flag doesn't mean you know or
understand the immigration debate.
I love the propaganda use of invaders. Whites are referred to as pilgrims,
colonist, pioneers and settlers.These nuts write as if the Mexican navy was
shelling San Diego as Mexican armor smashes through Yuma.Where in
history have "invaders" provided most the labor to fed a nation? They are
tossing antelope on boxes to use as ammo? They are picking tomatoes to take
over Fresno? They break into restaurants to clean floors, bathrooms
and dishes?"What this has exposed is that the state DOES know who is
legal and who is not." The facts disprove this contention. Many on the list are
here legally. If anything, the list proves how undocumented works can't get
welfare. Do you people really believe ranting, distorting facts and
showing incivility will change minds?I'm seeing more how this is
orchestrated to play on fear and racial hatred. I've been forced to
read about immigration. I've learned you're lying. You throw our 40,000,000.
It's between 8-10 million. There has been a deduction in the numbers. The real culprit is limited resources. You can only use the money budgeted to
Not scared, There is an invasion. It is by those who support the Narco
culture. It's power is derived from not only drugs but the sale and trading of
Human Beings. Human trafficking and migrant smuggling contribute tens of
billions of dollars to finance international organized crime groups.An example of the invasion. Mexico, a proud nation of hopes and dreams will
become a failed state by the end of this year. Millions of people are suffering
from the on going terrorism. The supporters of this culture are
established in great numbers in our country. The daily news details the
causalities they cause for you to see. This invasion is detailed in
our nation in the 2009 National Drug Threat Assessment report by the U.S.
The Minutemen are a bunch of unachievers. They have no credibility. Segura
himself could have been part of "the list" having a Spanish surname. The Minutemen are a bunch of angry white men who want to blame others for
their failures. They have no education. It wouldn't surprise me if they united
themselves to a Neo-Nazi group in the future.
....and there's only 35 of them!If you want a real laugh, go to
their website.They can't even spell the word "borders" correctly!
They call themselves "Minutemen" and "Minute Men". This is
merely a small collective of half-literate low-achievers who somehow have
managed to usurp the word "patriot" into meaning he opposite of what they
intend.ANY latino club is under their "Race Monger" tab. But their
words, make it logical to put themselves there, too!Google: "Utah
Where are the balloons? I thought when a bunch of clowns get together they
always bring balloons.Maybe they were over by their copies of Mein kampf,
and their white sheets.
re: hillenAmerica is to blaim for drug problems, we are the buyers,
we fund the drug gangs.
Charity is NOT to be enforced by the government. Forcing us to do "charity"
totally goes against this principle.
Whether or not you like Segura after the meeting...I just want one
good reason why it's not ok for two people who disagree to come together and
commit to let go of some intolerance and disrespect for each other for the
greater good. Anyone have an answer?
Hillen, you're pathetic in your comments. For years I've disliked Alex Segura
for founding the Minutemen organization. To me it was like Jesse Jackson being
the HP of the KKK; a Latino who hates Latinos, pretty much like most "Pochos"
(Mexican-Americans) in CA who hate other Mexicans and the Newyorricans who hate
Puerto Ricans. Last week, for the first time to me, he demonstrted pragmatism by
detaching himself from the typical rethoric of those in the Minutemen
organization he founded and admitted that terrorizing others is just NOT the
solution. Sad to seee though that he didn't know the kind of people he'd attract
to the Minutemen group: the incult, the red-neck, the bigots, the racists. Good
for Segura that had two awakenings this week and for staying in one piece.
Segura could not of been on the list. The lies here are just out of control. The list was of illegal parents that have children born here, and are
receiving benefits for all their children. Segura is a legal
citizen, also the list was mostly Hispanic, possible because they make up the
largest group of people here illegally. Preach to the choir about
calm, then stir it up with falsehoods