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As immigration summit convenes, Utah probes more workers

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  • Hillen
    July 19, 2010 6:08 p.m.

    Human trafficking and Migrant smuggling, if at all mentioned, will be discussed only momentarily. (Turn a blind eye, do not look at the human atrocities occuring.)

    The forgotten immigrants, those who are legal immigrants of all nations in Utah, hopefully will have a voice in this discussion.

  • DocSarvis
    July 19, 2010 6:39 p.m.

    Sounds like the LDS church is in favor of leaving things how they are, or amnesty. I'm glad they came out like this. From what I've seen, most members aren't really capable of making decisions about things like this on their own and need guidance from the brethren. Good move.

  • fantazius
    July 19, 2010 6:59 p.m.

    This list and the means to obtain the information of those on the list is a misdemeanor violation of FEDERAL law.

    Why is the state, the police and Herbert meddling in federal affairs?

  • attentive
    July 19, 2010 7:15 p.m.

    to fantazius: It would appear that the information about those on the list was obtained for one reason: to obtain employment, employment benefits, welfare or food stamps. I'm not saying this out of hate or any other thought other than that to ask the questions that would lead to the answers supposedly given would be to determine one's eligibility for aid. Those questions would not be asked for any other reason. Deliberate on that anyway you want, but that's what it comes down to.

  • fantazius
    July 19, 2010 7:17 p.m.

    To all of the religious leaders and all others who say illegal immigration is a human issue and we need reform with compassion for our brother in poverty who only wants a better life for themselves.

    Liars, you just want to fill the pews with paying10 per centers

    I have been unemployed, again, since February of this year.

    I am again homeless and living outside in the weeds, my savings are gone, I am 2 months late on paying fee on my storage unit, which goes to auction soon and contains everything I own including irreplaceable photos of my family.

    I have contacted all of you for help finding a job and temporary financial assistance so I do not lose what so little I have of cherished possessions, to no avail.

    Where is the human compassion?

    Answer ME.

  • fantazius
    July 19, 2010 7:20 p.m.


    Herbert should be having an immigration ENFORCEMENT summit and concentrating on the displaced, impoverished workers and CITIZENS of Utah.

  • My View
    July 19, 2010 8:07 p.m.

    I think we need to invite Teddy Roosevelt to this summit.


    "In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
    Theodore Roosevelt 1907

  • JBrady
    July 19, 2010 8:22 p.m.

    The first report of the list showed two glaring oversights. Mayor Carroon who's office processes the bookings in the Salt Lake country jail, and as such, should be there. And the minutemen.

    I don't identify with either group. But if you going to have La Raza there, then you need their counterpart in the discussion. So is the round table to help the situation, or or is it a political show? (not inviting the other person running for Governor)?

    I hope you reconsider both sides.

    So Shurtleff has said that he will not enforce the laws against people here illegally from other countries, but will enforce the laws against Utahns? Both are misdemeanors and felonies.

    Lists like this can be made up by private citizens who get together and turn in people illegally in the neighborhood Mr. Shurtleff. It can be done in a legal and lawful way.

    Treat each group equally. They were just trying to make a better life for their family by stopping corruption in state government.

  • PPpatriot
    July 19, 2010 9:00 p.m.

    The summit should focus on one thing only: How to better prosecute employers to cut off the invaders income as well as how to cut off any income from government benefits. Self deportation and the ride back home to Mexico is less than a days drive away.

    There are plenty of jobs available in the Mexican army and police force. Don't forget the millions of jobs available building high rise condominiums, as soon as the government ok's development of the Baja coast.

  • dumbo123
    July 19, 2010 9:25 p.m.

    "Finding a successful resolution will require the best thinking and goodwill of all across the political spectrum"
    It is unrealistic to think that all of Gods children will be satisfied here. Divorce comes to mind. There will always be victims and there will often be only painful choices. Some in the Illegal Immigration confrontation will be asked to make the hard choice and bear the brunt of the pain. That is why we have laws so that problems like Illegal immigration do not get out of hand. The laws were not enforced so we are bearing the consequences. There is only one successful solution. Remove the Illegal Immigrants! Anything else will not work. Amnesty does not work. It only brings you full circle to another amnesty. Giving away U.S. citizens jobs and tax money to Illegal Immigrants only encourages more Illegal Immigration. This is not a time for accommodation and surrender to those who have no respect for our laws. This is a time to stand up for the rule of law and order. Not more chaos and pandering.

  • Quetzalcotl
    July 19, 2010 9:37 p.m.

    fantazius | 7:17 p.m. July 19, 2010

    "I am again homeless and living outside in the weeds, my savings are gone, I am 2 months late on paying fee on my storage unit..."

    I wish you the best in your efforts to rise above your current situation. I too was homeless in 1998 due to a forced retirement for medical reasons. Hang in there. Do not give up.


  • Walt Nicholes
    July 19, 2010 9:52 p.m.

    Focus, people, Focus: WHY did DWS have information about undocumented immigrants? They don't administer food stamps do they? Do they find jobs for the illegal parents of children born here? Employers are supposed to check the validity of Social Security Numbers. Doesn't DWS do the same?

    There are SEVERAL stories here, and most are going uninvestigated. Maybe these whistle-blowers had no other way to get the word out that something at DWS wasn't/isn't right.

  • Hillen
    July 19, 2010 9:52 p.m.

    fantazius does have a point.
    Who at this round table will be speaking for the
    97,000 unemployed workers. Who will speak for our families who are facing foreclosure on their homes.
    Who will speak for our hungry children.

    WHO?

  • C. Darwin
    July 19, 2010 10:08 p.m.

    Gov. Herbert,
    The citizens of Utah call upon you to do the right and moral thing. Stop illegal immigration, deport illegals and revolk the business licsense of employers who use illegal labor. This is what your citizens want. You represent us, not illegal foriegners.

  • Viva la Migra
    July 19, 2010 10:53 p.m.

    "Shurtleff added that he is ready to launch a formal criminal investigation once other state departments forward their findings to him. He said his office will perform the investigation, but share results with the U.S. attorney for Utah because of the possibility that federal and state laws may have been violated."

    Say What??!!

    I thought Shurtleff wouldn't enforce Federal laws. That's the excuse he gives every time someone asks him to enforce the laws against illegal aliens.

  • moyboy
    July 20, 2010 12:32 a.m.

    The Utah Department of Workforce Services has identified at least two employees who are believed to be involved in the creation of a list containing the personal information of some 1,300 people. I think we should give them Raises for saving the TAX Payers of Utah money! Further, the recent study reveals that the cost to native-headed households is an average of $1,117 per year. According to the report, Utah taxpayers are spending $453 million a year on illegal immigrants.
    Let Honor those that save us Money. Since these on the list are not Citizens, they have no rights therefore there was no law broken....

  • attentive
    July 20, 2010 1:15 a.m.

    to Hillen and Quetzalcotl re: fantazius - if anyone is living outside in the weeds and has time to find a computer and waste that precious time adding his opinion to this comment board, then that person is wasting his time and is NOT looking for employment.

  • My2Cents
    July 20, 2010 4:51 a.m.

    Alleged illegal foreign nationals? The state is so shocked and stunned to be told that illegal aliens are on the state payroll and looting they don't want to investigate the list to disprove its accurate.

    The only thing the list exposed is stolen identities and illegal aliens with others information. The data base has been falsified and so corrupted the state doesn't want to admit they have been participating in ID theft of american people.

    Then under federal and state laws, whistle blowers are immune to prosecution and to prosecute anyone for exposing fraud, ID theft, of this information they must first prove these illegals have not stolen my identity. Every american and citizen of Utah knows that illegal aliens are looting our government and the government heads just want to keep the truth hidden. We have whistle blower laws for a reason, to stop fraud in government crimes.

    Illegal foreign nationals have no rights or and identity and any identity they have fraudulent given the state is my information. The only reason the list hasn't been revealed is to protect themselves from 1300 irate americans about their identities being stolen.

    Cover up big time.

  • Marty22
    July 20, 2010 6:53 a.m.

    Walt Nicholes,

    DWS does administer food stamps and illegals apply for food stamps for their children born in the US. The food stamps allocations are VERY generous, especially when you realize the money goes only for food items--you shouldn't compare the amount they get to what you and I spend at the grocery store because our bill includes non-food items. Those on FS must use their own funds for those items.
    DWS also administers Medicaid, for which US born children are also eligible. No help getting jobs, you have to be a citizen or on a visa that allows you to work for that.

    I worked in elligibility for 6 months and nearly lost my mind there. I quit before that could happen. I totally understand those DWS workers being fed up.

    I'm also a naturalized citizen. NO path for citizenship for illegals. Green card: yes, US citizenship: NO.

    No one who has entered the United States of America illegally should EVER be rewarded with US citizenship, which is the most coveted citizenship in the world.

  • Informed Voter
    July 20, 2010 6:53 a.m.

    If illegal immigrants are not illegal and federal law is not enforced against them, WHY are the acts of those who published the list illegal? The list preparers need compassion and to be excused from any fault. Our lack of confidence in elected officials AND OUR POLICE CHIEF for Pete's sake is not helped by their selective law enforcement. Shame on them!

  • Doug10
    July 20, 2010 7:27 a.m.

    Why would the govenor or Shurtleff think that these illegals should be given preference over the hundreds of law abiding people who are on lists and waiting to come to USA through legal means?

    Many on those lists come educated and ready and willing to bring business and capital to the area that is much needed. Some programs allow immigrants to come if they bring a business and $500,000. Without being heartless, those people would be an asset vs those who are here illegally and have shown a propensity to break US laws already.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder
    July 20, 2010 7:51 a.m.

    Utah has its tap-roots in Arizona, the front line in the fight against illegal immigration. The illegal immigrants are an enormous public safety problem. They're rapists. They're drug runners, they're human smugglers, gang members. It's outrageous. Those that love this type of crime's call it racial profiling, just to get ones mind away from what it really is all about only. Here's the cost of not enforcing the law. In Arizona $2.7 billion to educate, medicate and incarcerate a year. Who pays for that, the tax payer's. If you look at the law, what do you not see?. You don't see anything about money laundering. You don't see anything about cop killing. Seeing Congress failed us all, all we can do is make it so miserable that they'll leave, and report them to ICE and let them deport them. We don't want criminal's to just pay a fine and take a place in a line that puts them on a path toward documented status, that would be us aiding and abetting a criminal under U.S. law. Report, then let ICE deport. Do it now.

  • JayTee
    July 20, 2010 8:06 a.m.

    Those list generators should be given bonuses and awards for putting their careers in jeopardy to give our society a chance to take a small step toward redeeming itself. If you want to be lenient, charitable, humane, and all the rest . . . do it with your own money, and travel to the third-world "countries" where the people need help in remaking their own societies. Quit putting the rest of us on the hook to ante up for ongoing insanity. We have no obligation to subsidize, accept, or adopt invaders who run in here and proceed to demand all things from us. Stop the foolishness, show some functional intelligence, build some backbone, and take a stand while we still have a choice in the matter.

  • JBrady
    July 20, 2010 8:19 a.m.

    25 years of talk has gotten us nowhere. Enforcing current laws and intellectual honesty is the only solution now.

    We set the wrong example by rewarding dishonest behavior.

  • MapleDon
    July 20, 2010 8:19 a.m.

    I agree with Informed Voter that we need to extend compassion towards those who published the list. These are hard working people who've taken jobs none of us want. They have families. They serve in our communities, attend our churches, pay taxes.

    Compassion, brothers and sisters. Compassion.

    And if necessary, let's have civil dialogue.

  • chopperdan
    July 20, 2010 8:31 a.m.

    Look---you people are so obsessed with the remote possiblity of someone taking public money to feed their children that it has warped your sense of kindness and charity and compromises your Christian principles! Then you support someone who breaks the law in an attempt to tear families apart, under the premise that THEY are breaking the law. Shameful and disgusting.

  • Adver
    July 20, 2010 8:44 a.m.

    Hurray for the list generators. Honor them and give Shurtlef andthe rest of our political the door!!

  • Adver
    July 20, 2010 8:55 a.m.

    Where is the story about the illegal Mexican national who was caught yesterday tending a secret garden of 5000 marijuana plants here in Utah?

    Isn't the story newsworthy for Deseret News or does it not follow their politically correct policy? This fits in with the liberal course the church is following now so it figures.

  • JBrady
    July 20, 2010 9:04 a.m.

    Actually under Utah's discriminatory laws, if you break the law, you received more food stamps.

    Utah was a pretty great state if you came here illegally.

    Let's convene a summit over that.

  • Doug10
    July 20, 2010 10:34 a.m.

    Too much political correct-ness to ever come up with a solution.

    May as well release judges and lawyers as they have no place in society anymore. If anyone is caught breaking the law the state and governor can hold a meeting to discuss how bad the law was broke.

  • Gella
    July 20, 2010 10:43 a.m.

    Yay for Alex Segura! There's not much better honor than in risking your job or even your life for what you believe is right.

  • Koncerned citizen
    July 20, 2010 10:55 a.m.

    Ok, so eight more concerned citizens are bieng probed, yet nothing is being done about the illegals???? Is it only me or is something wrong here???

  • Koncerned citizen
    July 20, 2010 11:11 a.m.

    Ok, so eight more concerned citizens are bieng probed, yet nothing is being done about the illegals???? Is it only me or is something wrong here???

  • Koncerned citizen
    July 20, 2010 11:16 a.m.

    "Comment not posted" More DWS employees being investigated.
    Has anyone heard of any of these illegal immigrants being investigated?
    What is wrong with this picture?

  • Scott1
    July 20, 2010 11:21 a.m.

    Does anyone know how easy it is, or how much of a pain it is, to sponsor someone to come into the United States from South America? I am considering sponsoring some old friends.

  • Cameron
    July 20, 2010 11:35 a.m.

    From the article:

    "while the UMP has many who follow its views and updates, it has only 26 dues-paying members"

    For being only a couple dozen people they sure are loud and seemingly omnipresent.

  • CB
    July 20, 2010 11:35 a.m.

    Seems to me that the headline should read 'illegal aliens' not immigrants. I have no problem with those who desire to emigrate legally but I do have an objection to those who come here, breaking numerous laws to take advantage of our generous systems. They are 'educated' south of the border on how to take advantage of our systems, this should be reason enough to send them back.

  • williary
    July 20, 2010 11:59 a.m.

    re: Koncerned citizen

    Do you ever hear about illegal immigrants being investigated or deported? No, it's not something that INS officials broadcast for the public's humor, or to appease the mob mentality of the Tea Partiers.

    But one thing you will hear about is when a group of public employees illegally give out private information to the public. That's a no brainer.

    Time to grow up and act like an adult. Use some common sense here.

    I'd like to hear more about the legal hispanic's who made the list, wouldn't you? Each news channel has interviewed at least 1 individual whose name was on the list who is a legal citizen. Lets do further research and here about that attrocity.

  • Fitness Freak
    July 20, 2010 12:33 p.m.

    More empowerment and enabling of illegal alien invaders.

    Whats to "discuss"?

    The law is pretty plain, unless you obtain proper paperwork through the U.S. Dept. of State you ARE breaking the law and SHOULD be detained and deported!

    Just more attempts by those who think its just "hunky dory" that illegal aliens:

    steal public services

    steal our jobs



    Apparentally city and state leaders ONLY notice the feelings of U.S. citizens when they get voted OUT of office.

    Bob Bennett and Chris Cannon also tried to put a "happy face" on illegal immigration.

  • tenx
    July 20, 2010 12:57 p.m.

    I listened to the round table and found it "strange" that every Hispanic name in the group supported the Hispanic cause. Not much concern about the Welsh or Sudanese who are waiting 10+ years to immigrate. Hispanics have the lion share of illegal and legal quotas. Need to stop that and make immigration to the USA equal throughout the world.

  • Casca
    July 20, 2010 3:01 p.m.

    At present I question why President Obama has deployed troops on the border, as they have no power to initiate an arrest or shoot drug smugglers? Sen. Reid should now be carefully watched, as with having a large population of illegal immigrants that will violate the law in voting him back into office. His opponent Sharron Angle can be molded by public opinion, but Reid has too many questionable irons in the fire. Many favors have likely been brought from special interests and open border trash, which need him as in top leadership to try and force through another trillion dollar amnesty.

    If the illegal immigration invasion was intended to be a federal violation, then why did they make entering the United States a misdemeanor, instead of a felony? IF ARIZONA”S POLICING LAW IS A FEDERAL VIOLATION, WHY HASN'T THE GOVERNMENT SWEPT DOWN ON THE PROMOTERS OF SANCTUARY CITIES? Ask your Representatives in Congress and state assemblies these questions at 202-224-3121. Don’t wait! Bombard your lawmakers with your demands or see this country become overpopulated and in many neighborhoods third world slums, costing US taxpayers billions more in welfare programs.

  • Gregory Johnson
    July 22, 2010 7:52 a.m.

    Does not matter whether or not illegal immigration is a misdemeanor or a Felony, I would prefer it to be a misdemeanor with a 6 month jail sentence, a $5000 dollar fine to pay for the ride home, anything left over from the fine the State keeps. The whistle blowers should be commended. IT should not be a crime to report a crime against the state.