This time Trail Blazers are trying to take a guard away from Jazz
Dismantling or rebuilding?
Wooooooooowwwwwwwww !!! we are so out of the game for this year!!!Sorry but the Jazz management team suck big time, they has the option to sign
Wesley last year for a lot less!!!Bye Boozer, Korver and Mathews!!!
3 more years bye D-Will!We suck
Those Blazers, Forcing our hand again. Best free agent available is Kevin
Pritchard, let's go out and hire him!
The blocks are tumbling down!
We darn well better sign Mathews! This off season has been horrible! were losing
a lot more than we r signing! Mathews played his heart out and I think he can
develope into an awesome asset to the jazz, SIGN HIM NOW KOC!!!! Do something
for a right for a change or we will lose D will in two years also!
I still think the Jazz will match. Millsap will only make 6 million this season,
because his offer from Portland was also front loaded. Matthews will only be
overpaid the first season (mostly because of the signing bonus), but like Paul,
will seem very reasonably paid after next year.
This comes out to almost seven million a year.Hey,I like mathews as much as
anyone,but this offer,like the ones preceding it with other NBA players seems
way too pricey. I think the Jazz should pass on this offer and let Portland pay
the big bucks this time.Portland is deliberately trying to bankrupt the Jazz.Can
Wesley be as good in Portland as he was for the Jazz? I don't think so. With the
new CBA coming and teams in the future most likely dumping salary,the Jazz could
very well be better off by just being patient and not panicky.
This is tough for me...I love Wesley but is he really worth nearly 7 million a
year?! He's awesome and was a great story, and I think the jazz should have
extended his contract last year during play. I didn't think he'd be worth more
than 4-5 million, but 7!!!!!I'm not sure if I'd match, but then
again who else is out there to replace him, other than brewer?
I think the Jazz should let him go.
Wow. I hate Portland. I still say you gotta match though.
Holy cow!What would that be like to go from undrafted to earning
$34M for 5 years worth of work?I'm glad for Mathews but I sure am
going to miss him!
That's a lot of money to be paying anyone with Wesley's limited experience. I
really really like him as a basketball player, but I can only think of one thing
to say to Jazz management. I want Deron Williams in that room when you decide
what to do about this. If our team is gonna make a re-energized push towards a
championship in the post-Boozer era, I want Deron's vote to count on whether
Wesley Matthews is someone Deron needs to make it all the way. If he is not
sure, let's let Wesley go. That said, hope Wesley is a Jazzman this fall.
If you ask me, the Jazz front office SUX! Call me a disloyal Jazz fan, but I've
grown weary of cheering/supporting them since I was a little kid. Now I am
thirty years older and Jazz are still in the same position. Heck, San Antonio
even made aggressive moves to improve the team within the past decade and look
what it got them??? Four NBA titles! Yeah, I cheer for the Lakers, a team I
rooted for ever since I was born over thirty years ago before my parents moved
to Utah. If the Jazz front office really wanted to win the big one, they'll do
what they have to do to be competitive and make a run for the championship.
D-Will will demand a trade in a heartbeat if jazz don't do something fast!!!
At that price let him go! You can get similar players for much less. He was a
great value before but now too pricey, Portland is overpaying!
This is a Joke right? Portland just signed a backup for Brandon Roy for
$7,000,000 a year. When everyone else thinks he’s worth about $4 million a
year. If the Jazz match this they’re almost as stupid as Portland.I really like Wes and I’m disappointed with this news, but the
fact is, he’s not much better than CJ, and he is definitely not worth $7
million a year. He’s listed at 6'5" but he’s really 6'3" and no
matter how good of defense he plays he’s never going to be able to shut
down anybody. Everyone said he did such a good job on Carmelo, yet
Carmelo averaged 32 ppg against the Jazz while shooting above his season average
(46%). The truth is Wes played good defense for a rookie, he had a really good
season for an undrafted rookie, but let’s be realistic here, he’s
not going to get much better. I heard one analyst say that the
Jazz’s run in the playoffs was a CJ Miles coming out party, well that
party is hopefully about to continue for the next year.
This contract is poison for whoever gets stuck with it. If I'm a Portland fan I
would be praying that the Jazz match this.
Way way way too much $ for matthews. Let him go, save the money for a more cost
conscious option and get yourselves some height via trade.DO NOT
MATCH JAZZ. I love matthews but not to the tune of 7 mil a year.
Great it would be nice if some one would take KOC. How many times can a guy make
the same mistake and not get fired on a job?
Way to much money for Mathews. Just clear some cap space for next year when AK
comes off the books and then hopefully get some decent playersI
agree with you scalman!!!
You have got to be kidding me. The decent thing here for Mathews camp would have
been to call the Jazz before signing this toxic contract. There is no way
Mathews wants to play behind an all star instead of being a starter!
I dont think we really know if Wes could have been extended after he signed his
first year agreement. If he could have then KOC dropped the ball. The two
D-leaguers came off ten day contracts so they were different. They are under
contract this year but it is non guarenteed. After the first year of nine mill
it works out to be six mill a year. He is young enough I would go for it.
Crongrats to Wes! Thats the only thing to say, he worked his butt off last year,
he deserves a longtime contract in the league. The jazz should of offered him a
contract three months ago.
This time call Portland's bluff. Let them eat the 9 million this year.
I like him but let him go. Go after Tony Allen if you want to spend that much
Well he could start in Utah or come off the Bench in Portland.
CJ Miles averaged more points, more assists, more blocks, and shot a better %
than Wes last year in the playoffs, and he did it all in less minutes.The 2 guard is the easiest position in basketball to replace. I would much
rather the Jazz use the $7 million on a center.Right now the Jazz
have CJ, who is more than capable of starting, Hayward, who looks capable of
playing 15 minutes a game, plus Price, AK and Jeffers. They also have trade
exceptions up the wazu(wherever that is).
Matthews is very impressive but 6'5" 2 guards that can defend and play are out
there for a lot less. It would be harder to match this one than it was to match
Unfortunately, Matthews couldn't be extended last year. So how does
this work? Since Matthews couldn't make more than the MLE, how is he able to be
signed to a $7 million are year contract? Anyone got some insight they'd like
Be smart and watch Portland choke on this one. If you do not call their bluff
now they will continue to do the same o same o. This is a contract that needs to
stay with Portland. Bring back Brewer for much less and start negotiating for a
power forward that can help this team. I like Wes, but he is not the key to
winning a championship....
this thing shows only one thing; the blazers LOVE the way utah develop undrafted
players and 2nd round draft picks. they love how these players show heart, spunk
and dedication to their profession. they love that the jazz players play their
hearts out game after game after game. and it shows: the jazz swept the lottery
pick-laden blazers last season. maybe the blazers should instead hire jerry
sloan to get their slacker stars into shape and play like utah jazz players. we
all know that the blazers only play those stupid iso-plays.
The NBA should outlaw front-loaded contracts like this!! Portland just wants to
hurt the JAZZ in any way they can. If the NBA wants any type of parity in
the league, they have got to address the issue of "rich team--poor team".Whether we sign Matthews or not will be a big decision---I agree that
the JAZZ brass need to talk to D-Will and let him have some input. I too am
worried about keeping him when his contract is up.
Who do we replace him with? Bring Brewer back lol (I wouldn't be surprised).
This off season has been very depressing.
Wow Wesley is nice, but is not worth that big a contract. at least not now let
him go. I hate Portland.
They have the money to match, of course. But, for a 2 guard who still has a lot
to prove and is easily replaced, I would not do it. A big man like biedrins
makes 9 million and a big man is what the Jazz need. Make CAP room for next year
to pick up a quality Big Man AND bring in Tomic. Get a backup 2 in FA and draft
one next year. THIS YEAR is going no where and matching this crazy offer will
not help rebuilding the team next year. More PT for Hayward and Evans. Work on
BIGS and 2011-2012. Let him go.
This is a tough one. I would not want to be in the shoes of the Jazz
management. If Matthews works as hard for the next 5 years as he did this
season, then he is worth it. I just hate to see us sign him to five years and
watch him get overpaid for the whole thing. I don't want this to be another
Congrats to Matthews on the huge contact. I wish him well in Portland. He's a
terrific player for a rookie, but there's no way we should match. He's now the
highest paid player from his draft class and he wasn't even drafted or in the
discussion for rookie of the year.
Wow. I'm beginning to loathe the Portland franchise. I'm soooo fond of Wes.
He's precisely what I look for in a player ... Hard Nose, Competitive, Excellent
Work Ethic, etc. I'd like to understand if we could use our mid-level
exception, constructed like Portland did in their offer. If so, then it depends
upon what other options are out there. I'd prefer Wes over Ronnie B. I'd like to pick Deron's brain.
I am sick of Portland.... find your own dang players!!! Stop waiting for us to
find the diamonds in the rough, develop and mold them into great players so you
can lure them away with your ridiculous contracts....Get out of our backyard!!!
I just checked. Portland's SG's are Brandon Roy and Rudy Fernandez. They are
soooo playing the Jazz. I've decided I'd let Wes go and let Portland squirm to
pay a bench player 7M/yr. Perhaps we could then turn around and use our Player
Exception from Matt Harpring to re-aquire Wes when Portland wises up. I don't falt Wes for signing the offer. It's the thunb-sucking-pinheads in
Portland that I'm beginning to loathe. Good luck Wes. $7M per year to watch
Brandon start & compete with Rudy for scrap 2nd team minutes is a good gig ...
unless you want to actually play in the game ... which won't happen in Portland.
I'm pretty sure Matthews will be the highest paid Sophomore ever. He'll be
getting about 4 million more than any of the top Rookies from last year and
twice as much as LeBron James did in his Sophomore season. If the Jazz sign
him, they look like fools, if they don't, they make the Blazers look like fools.
Let him go and bring back Brewer. Let Portland suffer the consequences of
having 3 good shooting guards and no good center.
Huge Matthews fan,but not at that price...adios amigo and I hope you enjoy
riding the pine in Jailbreaker land
Let him go. Not worth that contract, especially to go ride the bench in
Portland. Now that the big hullabaloo of the first 10 days of free agency are
over, pick up the remaining dominoes for whatever you can, the big money is
mostly gone, and guys who want to play with a winning team, with a top 3 PG in
the league, will come here, if the Jazz do a better job of selling 'it'.
Just looked at comments on the offer at a Portland online newspaper. Most of the
fans commenting like Matthews, but think Utah is sure to match offer and maybe
this is a precursor to a Portland trade. Some fans were laughing because they
know the move is at least costing Utah some money. Well, that isn't nice, so
again, hoping Wes stays and now I am hoping Wes slam dunks some Portland player
soon in a last second playoff series clincher.
We need to get Mathews back, the Jazz need to do something other than sit and
let players slip away. The Jazz are turning into the biggest looser of this
year's free agency, come on Jazz, get Mathews back, he is the best fit for the
Trivia Question, who is the highest paid sophomore player in the history of the
NBA? Lebron, MJ, Kevin Durant. Nope I believe it will be our friend Wes. 9
Million for a sophomore, unreal
You can blame your brilliant GM again. When Brewer was let go, he should have
been signed then.If O connor Is Dumb enough to appease "sloan and
his Sloanaholics" by signing this guy and wasting 7 million of our precious
money, the fan base is dumber than even I thought.meanwhile, Reddick
will be gone. SLoan and the "holics" by the day letting one player after
another get away.
Players like wesly and millsap, are very bench players, but they not
worth starters money, and do do not waste large amounts of
money on players like them, else you will not have the money for
players that can actually help you win a chamionships.are the
jazz building a bench or a team that can win championships?
There are SGs out there much better than Mathews who are going for much less.
This is 7 mill a year. The Jazz may be better off letting Mathews
go. The front office has nobody but themselves to blame for this and
there should be a change in the front office policy if not GM. They
had the chance to sign Mathews to a longer cheap contract before they decided to
trade Brewer. The policy of not getting a team option in the initial
contracts is DUMB. The policy of doing nothing until the FA gets a market offer
is DUMB. The Jazz learned nothing from the Millsap mugging. The Jazz need to make a change in the front office. They draft poor and
they are bad on contracts. There are much better GMs out there and
Millers need to lose their continuity bias and make some changes. If
they had a dealer manager perform this badly he would be gone with a foot print
on his pants. Millers are going to totally dork up this franchise if
they do not start making some needed changes and hold the front office
accountable for the nonsense.
The problem is that Portland's owner is Paul Allen, the Co-Founder of Mircosoft.
He is worth 13.5 Billion, he has the money to spent. The Jazz have the Millers -
who have to take out a bank loan to match the offer for Milsap. Then next
year AK's contract will be over and the Jazz will have money. They should give a
Boozer size contract offer to the Blazer's restricted free agent Greg Oden
(taking a chance on him) - Then make the Blazers Match a another large contract.
Making Paul Allen out a few bucks, or the Jazz get a center that actually is
7'0". If we get him we would have a decent starting line up- PG - D
WillSG - CJC - OdenPF - MilsapSF - AK (resigned for a
fair amount)Back-upsPG - PriceSG - HaywardC - FezPF - MemoSF - Brewer? - resign?Ah, never mind. The Millers and
O'Conner could never come up with something like that.... even though I did in
about 2 minutes...Please Millers- Sell the team to somone with money- Like
Huntsman Sr. He's a Billionare..
Matthews is 10 times better than Brewer ever was. He can shoot and do everything
else Brewer can. No way should we bring back brewer and get rid of Wesley. There
is no FA left thats better than he is right now.
I loathe Portland. Let Matthews walk and re-sign Ronnie Brewer if he's
available for less than half the cost, which he might be. Please
get healthy, Memo. Please, please, please heal quickly!!!
Basically, if the Jazz do want to match, they'll have to clear some cap space in
a hurry, because the Blazers have exceeded mid-level exception amounts with the
frontloaded offer for the first season.
Let him go. If we were not going to resign Boozer and we go for Hayward instead
of a big, there is no point in matching. Would just be a terrible mistake. Dump
salary unless you get a worthwhile big interior defender. We will need the money
in the future!
@Steve Jensen... and that's why you are not the Jazz GM. Would never
Way this kind of money at Raja Bell and he would fall all over it. You could
get Fisher back for a year or to for less. I am not impressed with Fisher much
any more. Morrow is much cheaper (can't remember if he signed yet).
This is just an outrageous price. Mathews will get better but he is
not going to turn into Kobe. If the Jazz call POR's bluff they will
trade Mathews in a year or 2. They don't really want or need him. Stick it to
them. I have to say emphatically the Jazz are mismanaged and it is
time for some real change. They are a hapless organization when it comes to
contract management. Throw this kind of money at Kyle Lowry and see
what the Rockets do. You could play Kyle at SG and back up PG and dump Price to
save. Wilkins (MN) would be a better deal than Mathews. Matt Barnes and Dorell
Wright should be looked at (may be to late). CJ can move to SG. Get
a real SF for next year.
DW, a championship caliber player.....not so for Boozer, Korver, Mathews, Okur,
Milsap....not so for all of them put together.....Kobe, Gasol, Bynum....KG, PP,
Allen....LBJ, Wade, Bosch....Duncan, Parker, Ginobli.....Jazz MUST find #2 and
#3. Hopefully Tomic is one of them, then they have only one to find. The rest
are roster fillers. Mathews is a roster filler....for an idiot billionaire. Get
1, 2 & 3 and the rest will take care of themselves.
Millsap match was bad now this.Blazers can't develop their own
players so they overpay for Utah's bench players.This is the same
old Jazz, overpaying for bunch of role players. Look for Mathews offer to be
The Jazz have the Boozer, Harp, Brewer and Maynor TEs. However, I do not think
they can be used to resign your own player. How does POR exceed the
MLE? That was supposed to be the Max that Mathews could be offered. The Jazz need to explore getting a GOOD PG who can shoot and play them at SG
and then back up DWill. For 7 mill a year they could get Lowry. I do not think
HOU would match that. The Jazz play best with 2 good PGs together. They can also move CJ to SG and go get an decent SF. That gives Hayward time
to develop. CJ may play better at SG and his defense is as good as Mathews.
Maybe moving CJ would improve his shooting percentage.
Ime Udoka is a whole lot cheaper and has a much higher WP48. Actually for this kind of money the Jazz are much better off getting an SF
with a high WP48 and moving CJ to SG. SFs are much more cost effective and more
reasonably priced in this market. CJ has a very low WP48 at SF but
he may do better at SG. He defends just as well if not better than Mathews.
Lol at the continued comments about the front office.They've been
talking to Wes. Wes wasn't going to sign the 3 million contract the Jazz wanted
to give him when Portland is willing to give him 7 million. Loyalty just
doesn't exist in this league anymore. The Blazers don't need Wes,
they are just taking him away from the Jazz so the Jazz won't have him. If Paul
Allen wants to waste millions to take away a player and sit him on the bench,
just let him.
I'd love to see the Jazz go for Matt Barnes, he is tough and experienced but
should be fairly cheap.Morrow got an offer from NJ for 4 mil a year.Riddick got one from Chicago for 19 mil for 3 years. The Jazz need to go
get Amundsen and Barnes!!!
Your not sending a message to a billionaire, or the Blazers, by not matching the
offer. They can afford to do stuff like this every year for the next decade.
Don't fool yourselves. You have to protect what is yours...and the Jazz will, as
they have in the past (Miles, Millsap). In fact, ever since the Jazz let Mo
Williams go, O'Connor has never let a restricted free agent that the Jazz held
in high esteem leave town. Greg Miller gushes over Matthews, as do Coach Sloan,
and all Jazz brass. Matthews will prove to all you "doubters" someday that he is
worth this contract and much more. He is a very special player. I've been
watching players come and go through this franchise since 1982, and Matthews is
not just "another" player. I'm sure a number of you didn't think they would
resign Millsap either, but they did, and that was even a more expensive deal
then this one (and the right decision). The only thing I wonder is if the Jazz
will make Portland wait a full week before matching this time? Anything to
inconvenience them a bit, I say.
I'm just at a loss with this loss. I really like Matthews or should I say I
liked Matthews. What ever Utah does I'll support. Always a Jazz fan!
Millers are right to allow their players to test the market to insure that they
are being paid market rates, rather than trying to trick the players, or
leverage their situation, to lock them into a contract that is advantageous to
the organization. You can say it's just business, and maybe everyone else does
it, but the way the Jazz handle it insures that people are here that want to be
here, and are confident they are being paid reasonably. In this situation
a disgruntled person can get paid even if they play poorly (thus ride the bench)
so it is imperative that every player is committed to the organization, not just
contractually, but in spirit too. I think it takes guts to run it this way.
I vote for one of three players, Tony Allen, Ime Udoka or Matt Barnes. All three
would be great for the Jazz and cheaper too. Offer Barnes 4 mil for 3 years and
he will not hesitate to sign. Make it happen.
Man all of you hating on the jazz management/miller family seriously need to
check yourselves. The off season has been disappointing no doubt,
but the Miller family has done more for this state than all of you ever could do
combined in a million years!!They've taken a small market team and
gotten them into the playoffs 21 of the last 22 years. I want the
jazz to win a championship as bad as the next person, but you have to be
realistic and realize that all NBA Franchises go through ups and downs. When you
lose all star caliber players you can't just magically pick another one up off
the street. As KOC said, judge this off season two years from now.
There's no way anyone could have forseen this insane offer from portland. The
front office will figure it out. We might be down for a couple years, but
they'll get us back up. The only way we're ever going to win a championship in
this small market is if we somehow luck into a "Tim Duncan" For now I think
they're doing pretty dang good considering what they have!
@ Bill L: Easy there on the new miami trifecta, they haven't proven a thing
yet... just sayin
Don't really like your idea of Lowry, he is 6'0 or less. He is a fireplug type
and tough but I'm not that high on him. Udoka could be a good pick up though, is
he a FA? Devin George might still be able to play for a yr or 2.Harrington could play the 3&4, he would be a good pick up. Don't know how many
yrs he wants on a contract.Jefferson, probably wants too much.Rasual
Butler, good shooter,Josh Powell,PF, Shannon Brown, Adam Morrison, Stackhouse,Jarvis Hayes, Bobby Simmons,Ike Diogu,PF,McGrady,Ian Mahinmi,Roger Mason,James Singleton, Crittenton,Bugoff : Check the WP48 on these guys and let us know if any
of them would be worth looking at.
The fact that Matthews signed Portlands offer, tells us something about him too.
We opened all the doors for him and look where his loyalty went. I'm really
beginning to hate a game I've always loved. Matthews can take a big hike also.
To heck with all of you money grubbing scumbags.
Re Disappointing: I agree, even though it is tough to be patient. We need to
count our blessings in regards to the Jazz, we could have a team like
GS,Wolves,Clippers,Grizzlies,Knicks,Kings, just think how bad things could be
compared to what we have. Todd, be positive, hopefull and smile. It really
I will listen to Bugoff over any of you. The Jazz are incompetent management.
Beyond incompetent. It is sad but I knew it was going to come to this.You will all continue no matter what happens back O Connor, and SLoan.This franchise is going down every living second. It sickens me.
Sickens me. Loving the Jazz since 1978 this is hard to watch this Management
who was allowed to do this knowing you would support it (see ESPN poll).When this organization does something constructive and shows a
seriousness to win, then my negativity will cease.What have they
done for you? 16 teams make the playoffs out of 30 every year. Who
cares as Sloan says "to remain competitive"It would be better to
tank and get first round picks.If you sign couple free agents and
Fes and Kous develop, then DWIL, CJ starting backline, Millsap/Hayward/ then
Power forward and Center with experience you can salvage this. However, as O
connor sits, your franchise loses any decent players left.
Its all Karma brothers. What comes around, goes around.Portland is doing
to the Jazz what the Jazz did to Cleveland and Detroit 6 years ago. Don't hate
Portland for being better at it than the Jazz right now.
Matthews is pretty good and shows promise, but he's not a $7 million per year
guy. Let Portland choke on their luxury tax bill and get a serviceable two
guard for $5 million or less. I'm sick of the Jazz being bamboozled by Portland
with their free agents.
Thanks @ Disappointing....for the only descent comment to be posted on this
I'm REALLY starting to HATE Portland ...
The SG is the least important position in the Sloan flex. CJ can play it about
as well as Mathews. SFs are much cheaper given the WP48 that most of
them produce. Go get a really good SF for that kind of money. Max the WP48 from
that position. Have CJ work on his shooting percentage. Make a
change in the FO. It does the Jazz no good to develop players so that POR can
over price them. The worst part is that the Jazz refuse to learn. There has to be some changes in this organization. It consistently blows 1st
round picks. It tends to over pay players. It just does not learn from its
mistakes. When it finally starts to make changes it waits to long.
Boozer should have been moved at the trade deadline. The Jazz have
an inertia and continuity bias that kills them. They will not move when they
need to move unless forced. They get acted upon when forces finally
force them to move. They are not proactive.
"What are you guys doing over there in Utah???" - Live HardWe are
becoming the new D-League affiliate for Portland and Chicago.
I say let him go to Portland. He will regret being a backup to an All Star when
he would have been a starter with the Jazz. He is not worth the money. If the
Jazz sign him, it will tie their hands for future signings, of which there will
be quality players available at lower prices. Don't get caught up in
overpaying. Matthew thrived under Sloan. In another system he won't be as
I agree with Bugoff about the front office philosophy, it has to change. One,
extend him before his value is up. Two, don't let the league dictate his salary.
Make a fair contract offer instead of playing the match game. Three, quit
gushing about your prospective FA's. Ever heard of a poker face? Or how about
not holding your cards out for everyone to see. Teams (Portland) know how much
we covet certain players and realize we'll match nearly any offer. I love
Matthews and his attitude towards the game, but this time we need to stick them
w/ the bad contract.
Todd, I don't mind if you are negative or critical after the fact but you liked
to be critical or negative before you know what has been done. You don't know
what the Jazz have done to try to sign Mathews. Mathews met with the Blazers a
day or two ago and maybe Mathews came back to the Jazz and let them know before
he signed, we don't know.There is a lot of speculation going on here and
it is usuallly negative.
"He will regret being a backup to an All Star when he would have been a starter
with the Jazz."- PorterYes Jesse you are right. Matthews is going to
have regrets.Million$ of them.
Brewer has a higher Wp48 than Mathews but he can't shoot as well. If
the Jazz can't get any other SG or SF who can shoot then, if Brewer would sign a
2 year for his 2.7 exemption it might be worth playing him at the SF position
until Hayward develops. CJ could cover SG. If all else fails Gaines could back
up SG. He is a much better shooter and defender than Price (Go look at 82 games
data). The Jazz have to have some outside shooting and they better
get serious about getting some before opening day or it will be packed paint the
whole season. The front office is incompetent and there is no way
to white wash it. The Jazz seem to be setting up to run with a small
ball team. A Sloan variation of the PHO offense, but one that attacks the basket
first. That will work until the meet a team that can stop it. Then
they will try to play 1/2 court but the paint will be packed. If they can get a
couple of shooter they can open it up. They also need a 3rd approach
The battle is no longer for the strong or swift, but those who have the biggest
wallet. Over 30 Mill for 5 years, what a joke, no wonder the average Joe can not
afford to go see a game.
Jesse, trying to make clues from O Connor comments on NBA tv, reading between
the lines--I do not feel he will be matched
The Jazz need 3 versions of the flex. They need a small ball run and
attack version. That may be the primary approach next year. Sloan
noticed that PHO almost beat LA with their fun/gun. To bad he did not notice the
OKC/PHO zones.They need the traditional flex with enough shooting to
open up the middle and good rebounding. They need an inside out
version with Fes/Koufos in the middle and DWill and 2 shooters to bomb
accurately from the outside. The Jazz are in bad shape at the
moment. They need rebounding and outside shooting. They were deficient at both
before losing Okur, Boozer, Korver, and now Mathews.Mathews can
shoot and defend but is he worth 7 mill a year? Could that money help the team
more at another position?
Please don't say that Matthews is disloyal. He made the league minimum last year
and now portland is offering him ten times that. Who wouldn't take that?
Especially a player that could easily be playing in Europe if he had a bad game
in the summer league last year. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity that
you can't pass on. This is our fault for not extending him at $2-3M (closer to
his true value) before he hit the market. I'm betting he would have happily
signed that level of offer if we make it two months ago.
I thought we could give Mathews a contract similar to CJ Miles. He was making
$450,000 last year so 10 times that amount is my limit for him. I'd rather save
money for someone like Al Jefferson, 12 million fills a void. I think Portland
is playing poker but the Jazz need to call their bluff and let them over pay for
him. Please don't match the offer!!!
Portland is over the cap. Are they gonna pay $18 million to Wes including luxury
tax?? That's ridiculous. Even worse than $17 million to AK47.Ronnie
Brewer could come much much cheaper than this. Sorry to see Wes go but just let
him go.It's hard to lose 3 players in a week, but any GM would do
the same if they were in KOC's situation.I'm glad Jazz are not overpaying
anybody. It's highly unlikely Jazz's gonna win it all this year, but
hey, was it any more likely with Boozer, Korver and Matthews? It's
time to be patient to stay financially flexible and viable for the future.And Sloan is one of the best when it comes to utilizing players nobody
knows in his system, even though he's not very good at adjusting his system to
players who's already established their games. Remember the season after
Stockton and Malone left? The team was projected to be the worst in history of
NBA, but they surprisingly won 500.Jazz will be fine and make
playoff even if they let go of Wes. I'm not worried.
The reason I say the Jazz management is incompetent is simple. Every role
player's contract should have a team option in it the last year. They can
renegotiate the contract during that year. If they will not negotiate then you
have a year to plan. They have no business signing players like
Mathews, Fes, Gaines, OJ etc without a team option year in those contracts. It is fair to the players. They can prove they are really worth the
market during that year and will get theirs. Cap L has listed some
player who would help the Jazz as much or more than Mathews. Barnes
and Udoka have WP48s 2 or more times higher than Mathews. Udoka is listed as an
unrestricted FA playing for 838,000 on my info list. Jefferson
.052Rasual Butler -.043Josh Powell -.137 Shannon Brown, .056
similar to Mathews.Adam Morrison, -.095Stackhouse, -.003Jarvis
Hayes, -.078Bobby Simmons,-.031Ike Diogu, don't knowMcGrady,
NYK .066 Higher than MathewsIan Mahinmi, .198Brewer .087Barnes .188Roger Mason,James Singleton,Crittenton,Barnes, Mahimni, Brown, McGrady (gulp), and Brewer (for 2 years) make some
Let him go.
I would play Brewer (if he will come back) at SF until Hayward is ready then
Brewer can back up. McGardy might be worth a shot if he will come.
He played decent (not great) at NY. He is experienced and can shoot. Don't know
about ability to defend. The Jazz don't need a lot out of the SG
other than to spread the floor with outside shooting and to play D well. Is there a tall PG who can shoot and defend? He would not have to be a
great PG as much as a shooter/defender. Acie Law had a Wp48 of .263
at GSW and .093 at CHI. Is he signed? He is 6'3", a bit short.
I am worried until I SEE some solutions. The Jazz are just deficient in to many
key areas like rebounding and shooting. Their Team WP48 is really
bad right now. When that comes up because they have added the right
players then I will relax. MAX the team Wp48 and contend. That
requires adding players like Barnes, Mahimni, Udoka, Amundsen, Gortat and maybe
an SG. Replace Price with Gaines or Acie Law. The Jeffersons are not
Wes you little stinker!!Here is the deal, Wes played 4 years in
college and he may not get a lot better. Seems Portland wants him and has said
so with their wallet.In order to match is it worth it for the Jazz
to pay him 2 million a year more than he should be paid? Is that cheaper than
trying to fill the seats in the stadium while watching another less talented
player develop.It has been painful watching Koufos develop and
listening to Todd the negative know it all. For whatever reason Todd hopes for
the big white guys to develop. Perhaps there is no better story line in the
JAzz organization now.Wes had his chance to show some integrity and
loyalty and chose not to. Sorry Wes but the Jazz won't miss that poor behavior.
Congrats to Wes Matthews he worked hard and recv'd an absolutely ridiculous
contract offer from Portland. Its a great city enjoy it Wes. (side note, I do
find it entertaining that apparently a number of commenters here would NOT take
a pay raise that increased your salary 15 times. Some of you are pretty loyal to
the job that gave you your start I guess)Although a bit
disappointing to lose Wes it will be more disappointing if the Jazz match. CJ is
better in every way and has more upside. Wes Matthews is not bringing a title to
Utah any time soon. If he he ended up being the 3rd best player on the Jazz they
never win it all. Solid player yes, key to championship no. Jazz
need to rebuild for championship runs, not 2nd round playoff exits. If that
means a year of an overachieving 8th seed, while Hayward gets valuable minutes,
CJ continues to grow, DWill becomes the un-questioned leader of the team, we
find out if Fes or Koufus can play at this level I am fine with it. Just please
don't spend unwisely.
Can anybody say Shannon Brown?!
Goodby Wes, see ya, the perception is that your better than you really are
because you were undrafted and made the team, truth is your an average #2 guard
who is not going to get much better. If the Jazz match this they are moron's.
Playoffs? as Jim Mora would say Playoffs?Right now as of tonight the
Jazz are 9th in the West
Love the guy, amazing rookie season, but not going to win you many games, so
save your money for a big! Go after Scola or somebody with some game in the
middle!Stick it to Portland for once! Even billionaires hate losing
money on any business venture (jailblazers will lose a ton if he keeps doing
stupid things like this) Not to mention the nexgt CBA will make all these crazy
long term contracts look incredibly stupid next year!
Doug MR Homer
The "let him go" posters miss so many key points:*Matthews is not just
"another player." In the last five years, how many FAs have become consistent
Jazz starters? Zero. How many trade acquisitions have done so? Zero. And now
we're supposed to replace THREE key players? Ridiculous!*Matthews is so
much more than his stats. His defense and effort changed the whole team
chemistry. Remember how terrible we were at the start of last year before he got
into the rotation (CJ and Brewer starting)? And how terrible we were when
Matthews was benched in favor of CJ? Now that's supposed to SAVE us?*Matthews scored 9+ with no plays run for him. He led the team in FT and was
3rd in 3%. And the best defender on the team.*Matthews' career is on the
upswing; most of the others' mentioned are on the downswing.*Without
Matthews, we have zero depth. We need CJ off the bench, not starting.*Portland isn't stupid. We're competing with them for #8. They steal Matthews,
and they leapfrog us.*There is no "next year." We win just 35 this year,
and DWill is gone. So are Jazz.
The amazing part of these exorbitant salaries to a guy who just watches games
with his sports nut wife, is learning that it's the fan's money from tickets and
buying endorsed products that pay these outrageous paydays! I find it ironic
when I hear avid fans i know complaining about their season ticket prices. I
obviously can't afford to be more than a casual fan.
Sorry folks but I don't think Brewer is as good as Matthews in the half court.
Brewer is a great athlete who can't hit his jump shot consistently. It will be
same old same old problem if Brewer comes back. I just read D-Will's comments at
his golf tournament on loosing Korver and Boozer. He understands it is a
business and he is glad for those guys but it makes it tougher for next year and
he will have to do more and he may now skip playing for the USA team this summer
because he has to be sure his health is optimal going into the new season. He
understands that Wes may leave too. He wasn't that upset. He likes the team's
nucleus. So do I. Just saying again, if he thinks the Jazz really need Wes,
let's sign him. He is a multi-talented guy who is very young, plays good D and
can shoot and plays with lots of heart. Anyways, we will know more by next
Matthews leaving will haunt us. He will be an All-Star and we will be stuck with
a crappy paul millsap and a 20 win team.
Dorell Wright may be good option. He played good defense in the playoffs and
can hit 3 pointers. He has much better size than Matthews. Miami has not shown
a lot of interest in resigning him, and may be interested in a trade exception
to help build their roster.
Good year for Wes,reminds me of Shannon Anderson.Let him go not worth 7mill. The
system is why he was productive,well and Deron Williams. Will have good career
but not here.Not for 7mill.
That offer makes it easy.Sayanora Matthews. Enjoy your
time on the bench in Portland dude!!!I sure hope the jazz are not
dumb enough to match that.Matthews is not close to worth that so now
we have essentially caused Portland to dramatically overpay an undrafted
player.That works.Matthews is not really that
athletic...just a hard worker but he is not going to get any taller which made
it difficult for him to really stop any of the 2 guards we face.Not
worth it.He got his money but the Jazz system made him what he is.
Matthews will be sorry professionally he left and lost his starters spot. I guess he will be happy financially though. I guess we now really know
what he is made of and what his priorities about basketball are.Show
me the money!!
Three absurdities have popped up repeatedly in these posts that need to be
addressed:1. The idea that CJ will continue to improve but Matthews won't
get any better. Why is it that CJ, a fundamentally lazy player with five
unremarkable years' experience, is suddenly going to soar to stardom, but
Matthews, the hardest working Jazzman with one solid year of improvement, has
reached his peak? There is no logic whatsoever. CJ may get better, but Matthews'
upside is far greater.2. The idea that the Jazz can add a few mediocre
pieces and still compete. The Jazz were terrible at the start of last year,
before Matthews came on the scene. And that was WITH Boozer. In fact, the only
reason the Jazz did as well as they did last year was that Boozer (now gone)
stayed healthy and played well, and Matthews pumped up the team's energy.3. The idea that Matthews' offer is absurd. Other than the bonus $5M-$6M/year
is average for a B/B+ SG. Why pay $3M-$5M for an unknown when you can pay about
the same for a proven player you know can work within the system?
As far as I'm concerned the Jazz should get Barnes, Udoka, & Amundsen. They
should be able to afford all three. Watching OJ during the summer , we need to
find someone other than him, undersized (big heart)and can't shoot.Barnes
brings a toughness the Jazz could use and Udoka and Amundsen are blue collar
workers that produce enough to be valuable to the team.
Ouch. I have to agree with some others. How can the Jazz continue with this
policy with their restricted free agents. We don't want to negotiate with you,
we'll just offer you the minimum and then you see what you get from others and
then we will decide if we want to match.Sounds like the Jazz just
want to sit around and do nothing letting the other teams do the work and then
make a decision afterward. Give them a real offer!! Let them know how much you
think they are worth. Who wants an employer who doesn't let you know how much
your worth or that says go negotiate your own offer and then we'll decide if
you're worth it?Matthews is awesome but he isn't worth this kind of
money. I wish they would have given him a real contract back when they traded
Brewer.Bugoff is absolutely right with the team option contracts.
How can the Jazz not be doing this?
it too much for a guy like matthews...though he has too much potential...i
mean...he is downright a beast....he blocked a kobe shot during playoffs...and a
carmelo shot as well...but...its just too much for a small market team...the
owners isn't a billionaire...they just simply can't afford them...whatever
happened to taking a salary cut to improve the team?...just like Stockton
did...NBA players and their blown up salaries...its sad that the Jazz are losing
all these quality players...and they are losing them in an alarming rate....but
i'd remain a fan...its going to be tough to be a championship team...you need an
extremely talented player...along with talented bigmen...a great clutch floor
general...and role players that would kill for the ball...even if O'Connor
panicked and somehow....got Al Jefferson (a damage commodity...but worth the
risk)....or probably...get Jefferson - Murphy and a decent wingman...like matt
barnes?...that would be nice...
Man is this front office dumb, and the coaching staff just too old and out
smarted every time. Let's see who got Boozer here in the first place, and found
Matthews when no one else thought he could play. Oh, and did the Jazz play for
the number 2 position in the West on the last game of the season, even though
they were without their highest paid player for the last month of the season.
Right everyone else knows what they are doing, but not the Millers, KOC or
After scanning next year's FA list and not seeing much. Why not sign Mathews.
You have to pay someone. If Mathews is the best 2 Utah can get then spend the
money. Just make sure there is enough left over next year to bring over
Tomic.....and draft VERY well next year.
Bugoff, you have good credibility as a statistician. Here's a statement that
shows a little naivete`, IMO: "The SG is the least important position in the
Sloan flex."The shooting guard might just be the MOST important
position in Sloan's defenses. A lockdown defender is needed for the Jazz to be
successful. The 2 is responsible for the other team's best perimeter scorer.
This is particularly true against the triangle, which is designed to succeed by
using two interchangeable wing players and does not require much from the point
guard.WP48 does not take some aspects of the game into account.
Wins Produced is based on economic models. It doesn't show all the little
things a player can do that aren't counted as statistics (like deflections,
setting hard picks, screening your man away so a teammate can grab a board,
etc.), nor does it show the potential for improvement through coaching/practice
(something we see in Matthews). WP48 says that Artis Gilmore should
be a hall of famer and Dennis Johnson was below average. That makes for a nice
looking spreadsheet, but is certainly fallible thinking. Wages of Wins admits to
fallibility. Read it.
For once, I do not support Jazz with all this. The Jazz blindsided by this and
there is no excuse. You do not let the Kyle Korver go....not knowing what Wes
Matthews is going to do. And how does KOC not know what is going on? Maybe all
this "no comment, no comment" stuff over years is a smoke screen for not know
what goes on. Honest, how did this happen? This is not way you convince our
beloved D-Will to stay. The NBA already walking dangerous path with the three
horseman in Miami.....and fact that Jazz organization let this happen? Maybe we
look deeper.....where is Greg Miller in all this? On family vacation? Really?
We need the family time, yes, BUT in the meantime our Jazz FAMILY falling apart.
Todd, maybe just maybe, you have been right all this time. I think
Jerry is still my hero, but maybe his stubborn is washing off on all of Jazz
organization.One more thing.....we CAN'T match this offer. It would
be worst idea ever. To Wes Matthews, karma will not be good to you in PDX. Off to world cup final!!!!!
One more thing....I have spent the time in Portland before. I know one
thing...Nate McMillen love the lineup he has.....with Batum, Roy, Aldridge,
Miller and rotating center depending on who not hurt. So where will Wesley
'supposedly' fit in to starting or crunch time? Roy does not flourish at
PG...that will not work out. Blazers are righting checks that they can only
cash at bank, not on court. Matthews will get time when Roy gets hurt or when
he needs break...and some 2 and 3Q time. Wes, you are appreciated in the
Utah...you are hero here. Your jersey is so popular, you are man in Utah and
poised to become one of most popular players. Now, you throw it away to become
second fiddle.....wait, 5-6th fiddle in Portland. Enjoy the same fate as those
who have gone before you.....Shandon Anderson, Howard Eisley, Bryon Russell....I
could go on and on. Jazz system make the average player look above average. In
Nate McMillen system, Wesley Matthews will go back and be anonymous like he was
before Jazz gave him the chance.
Re Bugoff:For all your basketball knowledge, I’m shocked to
hear you call the Jazz front office incompetent. What the Jazz front office did
just last year was remarkable, you know the cap rules, you know how hard it was
to match Milsap’s offer without losing any key players. You should know
that the Jazz being in a small market have to play by different rules than the
large market teams.Did the Jazz handle the Wes Mathews situation
properly? No, absolutely not, but this contract is poison for Portland, with the
luxury tax they are paying almost $14 million for 10 backup minutes to their
best player and I don’t think it makes them any better. If any front
office is incompetent it’s Portland’s, they’re paying over $14
million for an average 6'3" 2 guard. Are they going to try and play him at the
3? We both know that if Wes gets 20 min a game at the 3 his WP48 is going to be
horrible, because if he’s 6'5" Jerry Sloan is a fairy princess.
Salary caps are coming down, it's suicide to overpay an average NBA like
Mathews, you end up at the cap with all average players.
I think when POR gets Matthews, expect Rudy to get traded, and watch Matthews
become B-Roy's backup. Matthews will be a strong 6th man in POR.
This LEAGUE has totally tilted to the Players Association and the Agents/the
Nikes/whoever sponsors. It is clear that the deeppocket owners/mercenaries
(players) are bankrupting/hurting the sport. It used to be teams could build
their franchise unafraid of being raided by other teams, thereby creating over
time a possibility of contending for a championship. Now it has gone the other
way to an extreme, which is hurting the run of the mill teams who will be
handing on by their fingernails when all this nightmarish scenario plays itself
out this summer and in the months ahead. It will drive teams like the Jazz out
of business when they will not be able to compete. I am appalled by the the
heirarchy of the league and the owners who apparently are powerless to turn this
ship around. And then, on top of that you have all the posters on this site
lamenting and berating the Jazz ownership and management for not bringing in
significant players from other teams to stock their roster. This is insane.
The Jazz are simply being pickpocketed by the players/agents and whoever else is
in league with them to come to this point.
byron, you're crazy. When we matched Millsap we pretty much guaranteed we'd
have no shot at Boozer--bad idea--and we lost a starter and Eric Maynor in the
process. As much as I love Millsap, matching that offer has turned out to be
devastating. This is how our team could look:DWill Maynor PriceBrewer/MatthewsCJ/HaywardBoozer/AKMemo/Kosta/FesIf we would have let PM go, Brewer would have never left, Matthews would still
be on our team as an extremely valuable backup, and we'd also have Maynor--a
much better backup PG. We'd still have the lottery pick, so we get Gordon, and
then when AK's salary comes off the books there's a huge amount of money
available to bring in a key piece. That's a heck of a lot closer to
making a deep playoff run than what we've got now...we're going to end up with:
Dwill/Price/?CJ? Jeffers? Who knows?Hayward/??Millsap/AKMemo/KK/KostaSo I know hindsight is nice,
but looks like mgmt's decision to match Millsap is turning out to be pretty
Re Portland:Do you really like the fact that Portland is spending
$14 million next year (with luxury tax) for Brandon Roy's backup?
Let him go or make the "JailBlazers" withdraw the offer at the last minute. I
for one am sick of Portland capitalizing on KOC's stupidity (announcing year
after year, who the Jazz are targeting in FA), and "forcing" the Jazz to
overpay. I liked what Matthews brought to the table as much as the next Jazz
fan, but I liked him at $700,000. By no means is he (or any of these overpaid
jerks for that matter) worth this ridiculous $6,000,000/year figure. I say NO
WAY does Portland really need or want him (Brandon Roy plays the same
position!). I say the JAZZ should call their bluff this time and flip the table
on their sorry organization. What a joke. Lastly anyone else tired of KOC yet?
Seriously what has he done for the franchise, except for keep it mediocre. Put
Scott Layden back in charge. Say what you want, but the Jazz made two "Finals"
appearances under his stewardship as GM. College football can't get here soon
The Jazz should let Matthews go. He is a good player, and an asset to the Jazz,
but it is clear that Paul Allen and the Trailblazers are trying to bankrupt the
Jazz, their biggest competition in the NW division. The Jazz can't afford to get
locked into another expensive contract with a player who has not yet fully
proven himself in the NBA, and is not going to make the difference between an
average team in the western conference, and a championship team.
The Jazz should not match. The fact is SG has been a weakness for the Jazz over
the last several seasons and the Jazz should not cripple themselves with this
kind of deal. Look at the free agents and trade possibilities, SG's are a dime a
dozen, and the fact we matched Milsap was b/c he is a big that we knew would
replace Boozer. We all knew Korver and Boozer were gone, but Portland is dumb
for trying to load a deal up to try and trap the Jazz, I think this will hurt
Portland more then help them, and the Jazz have a whole lot more options as far
as replacing Mathews.Bring in Shannon Brown and use TLE and draft picks to
pull Al Jefferson from T wolves. Time for KOC to earn his keep. JAZZ NEED FANS
IN THE SEATS, and with the current roster, good luck.GO JAZZ!!
Last player you want to slam in all this is Milsap. I think he has surprised all
of us with his offensive improvement, especially on his jump shot. He was the
only Jazzman to consistently go up strong against the Lakers at the rim. Also, I
think Milsap and Fesenko can become a near-great rebounding tandem.I am
belatedly saying Milsap is worth his contract so far, just not so sure Matthews
is going to improve much more and will be worth matching Portland's George
Steinbrenner type offer. Owners that way outspend other owners ruin sports.
Re areyouinthere:Boozer was better than Milsap last year and he
might be better this year, but Boozer is leaving his prime while Milsap will be
entering his. Do you really believe that over the next 5 years Boozer will be
worth $10 million dollars a year more than Milsap? Do you really believe that
Boozer will have less injuries in his 30's than he did in his 20's?Even if the Jazz let Milsap go and cleared space for Boozer this year, based
on Boozer’s history and rhetoric over the last couple of years, he would
still have probably left for Chicago and the Jazz would have neither of them.I would much prefer that the Jazz pass on Mathews and take the money
that they’ll save on his contract and Boozer’s and go get a center
with their trade exceptions.
I usuallly like to talk about players and hoping some of the young players will
develop and get better. That is what makes me have hope the Jazz can be better
and compete. We have a lot of young players that should get better and thus make
the team better but I want to get on my soap box and say whoa, whoa,whoa, wait a
minute here, when it comes to complaining and criticising KOC and the front
office.First we don't know that they blew it with Mathews, we don't know
what they did, we don't know what they planned, we don't know what they offerd.
There is a lot of assuming going on. We don't know how much KOC has been
on the phones talking to agents trying to get FA's, we don't know how much KOC
has been on the phones trying to make trades. We don't know, we don't know, we
don't know, how can so many of you complain and criticise when you don't know
what has been done? Yourall making hugh assumtions and flatout don't know what
your talking about.
Thanks Fedor, Good grinding RSL win Thursday..Meanwhile Captain L, I can say
every day "I try to"I try to be a "sloanaholic": NeverI try
to be a "optimist": Give me reasonMeanwhile, another quiet day for
O connor at home as Petro another player who could have helped the Jazz goes to
another teamKeep supporting O ConnorThe post earlier was
right: Most every other city O Connor would have been fired so long ago
Todd, Your arrogance is astounding. You and Bugoff are soulmates, kindred
brothers for sure. Speaking of Bugoff, just because you throw numbers around,
that does not make you a statistician.IMO, the Jazz can't make this
decision as a reaction to Portland. They need to decide if Wesley Matthews is
worth 6M / year. No one posting here, including myself, has seen enough of
Wesley Matthews to firmly conclude if he's the real deal (starting SG that plays
defense and can score). I hope he is. I do prefer him over Ronnie B. I don't
have another FA in mind that I'd prefer over Matthews.
I am happy to see the over whelming majority is in favor of letting Matthews go.
Nice player but too much money.I seem to keep hearing Rudy Fernandez
is available. I know he has been a disappointment in Portland, but he is bigger
than Wes, a better shooter, more athletic, and cheaper. (ESPN lists his 2010
salary under 1.2) the only place he would seem to fall short of Matthews is
defense. I guess my hope would be under Sloan the defense would improve. I am
sure a lot of people think Rudy Fernandez is a bust but I keep going back to the
gold medal game against the USA. I thought for long stretches of that game he
was the best player on the floor. (Including team USA) I don't know if any sort
of sign and trade could be worked out considering the difference in salaries,
but he is a guy I would love to give a shot. (If you have forgotten "you tube"
Rudy Fernandez dunks on Dwight Howard). For his salary, his "upside" in my
opinion definitely worth the risk.
There is NO WAY Utah can let this kid go !!! His signing is a must !!! Better
trade Millsap or malcontent ak because he's leaving next year anyhow..Signing
WES is a priority...A defensive player like WES comes along once in a blue
moon..NBA players for the most part are lazy & want to shine on offensive &
don't want to waste any energy on defense..I like Mill alot, but you can replace
Mill with a bigger body which will help vrs. LA ; UTAH CAN'T REPLACE WES FOR
MANY YEARS TO COME...sloan preachers defense all the time & he was this stopper
in "his" day ! Lets see if management knows the importance of WES's ability !!!
Don't pay the ransom, let Wesley go and sign Brewer. Let's wait until next year
and then go after some real talent with th AK money. Don't let Portland force
our hand. One good year doesn't mean anything and that's too much money for a
second year undrafted guy with a lot to prove.
All you haters out there just take the jazz for granted. What other small market
team regularly wins 50 games a year? Everyone should be grateful that the Jazz
are winners and your not rooting for a team like Minnesota who can't even get to
.500. The Jazz may not be the big bad Lakers but they are winners. Wouldn't you
rather have a winner than a bottom feeder who can't make it back to the
I would love to see the Jazz get Fernandez, I think he has been mismanaged in
Portland and I love his game. He is a good passer, good shooter, athletic and I
don't know for sure about his defense.Matt Barnes is a SF I would love to
see the Jazz pick up he has paid his dues and is tough and a real competitor. He
can guard the 2or3, I think he would thrive with the Jazz.If we could get
Barnes, CJ could move back to the 2 spot, where he is more suited. Hayward could
back up both spots and if we could pick up Amundsen we would be OK.
I am finding hard to believe how mixed the emotions are on this team's fan base.
Just a few days ago there were fans saying that Wesley should maybe get CJ money
but nothing more. (about 3.7mil) Now I have never heard so many people calling
for Ronnie Brewer...Yeah maybe he's the answer. Look Wesley is good ball player
and your team is better with him than without. You have two major players gone
and Bigs that aren't staying healthy. You may find Milsap to be a plus this
year if DEFENSE counts for anything but this team is still not stable. If this
team is going to make it to the playoffs this season it is greatly to do with
paying Matthews. Look at it this way. After this season his salary is only
comparable to that of the average 2 guard in the league. OK it was ment to hurt
when Portland did it to you again but don't set on the fence like Jazz ownership
when they said they'd present an offer to Wesley of free agent eve and then back
track and let Portland bid first.
Rudy Fernandez has said, he is either getting more minutes in PDX, or... is
traded to a Bigger market (PDX is already bigger than SLC, so Utah wont get him)
or he go back overseas where he can get minutes. Sorry Utah, he
doesnt want to play there
I kind of smile everytime people mentions beating LA...to be honest last years
team...could've contend the lakers...its just that...memo was out...even though
memo is slow...and not athletic...he does gets a few blocks...and can play
outside and spread the floor...the sad part is...they should've groomed Kosta a
bit more...i mean...come on...Jazz drafted him...might as well use him
more...gain confidence...and produce...i believe given the minutes players will
gain confidence...players will feel comfortable...John Salmons when given the
opportunity produces...when he got benched...morale diminishes and he'll play
badly...same goes to each other NBA player out there...and i do hope...we get a
lot more Kevin Durant in the league...humble, loyal and continously working
hard...i wish Wes Mathhews knows what he is doing...if not...in 5 years...we get
him back...half the price...
Unsigned free agent, we could have required a 2nd year team option for $1
million if we would have had smart management!!! $9+ million the
first year is all star money and more than the last couple #1 draft picks make.
Lets stick it to Portland and call their bluff and we can use that money for
some tall players that will actually help the team win more games. Wes was
awesome for a rookie, but is not a seasoned veteran lottery pick! Lets not sink
the organization with another AK overpaid contract!
Portland is not trying to stivk it to utah, tehy know they need a big offer to
him (matthews). they need wesley to back up roy
Todd, I'm not a Sloan fan, I respect what he has done and he deserves his
accolades but I would welcome a change. As far as KOC is concerned, I
don't know enough to make any kind of judgement. I know what he says, and that
is that he is working the phones all the time but the details I don't know. If
you know details, please let me know. A lot of judgements and assumptions are
being made as far as I can determine, without the facts or details. I
would love for KOC to pursue certain players like, Amundsen, Barnes, Udoka, to
name a few but I don't know that he isn't pursuing them and for anyone to
complain that he is doing nothing or he blew it because he didn't get a certain
player is wrong, because he very well could have been pursuing those players.
You (we)don't know. Just because the Jazz don't sign a player doesn't mean they
didn't pursue that player.
i think portland is holding mad about trading their number three pick when we
got it and we got deron williams, funny they are trying to get mathews when they
have lots of wing players with roy, and trying to call our bluff. the jazz
should wait the seven days and let mathews go and the if we make the mistake of
signing him portland brass will say whewww that was close, we really didn't want
him. no one last year wanted mathews and williams made him so so to good and now
every one thinks he is a god. he won't do anything in portland watch. don't sign
him. funny most of these high priced unfaithful don't appreciate who made them
Matthews is a great fit for the Jazz, but not at that price. Really? Go get Shan
Brown for 3yrs $18 mil and call it good. I want us to make a big offer to Scola,
make Houston match or we get the energy big guy that works with this system.
Bring in winners. Millsap could lead the league in boards and d-will in assists.
With sloan the points will be there, center by committee. 48 wins would be
another COY sloan should get but wont. Best free agent move? Hire Kevin
Pritchard today! $2-3 million a year and let him help rebuild us without
Contact of Wes is so high? KOC , Please go back to sign ronnie brewer
again. Get him back to UTAH in the same value contact wiht Wes.
The Jazz are like a personal shopping basket for the NBA. Jazz find a
young overlooked talent, develops him into a legitimate player and loses him
because they dont have deep enough pockets to hold onto the said player.Sure, my beloved Jazz were able to hold on to Milsap, but come on he's no
BoozerNow we are stuck with a bunch of undersized players who can't really
shoot the 3 consistently and in the modern NBA world that pretty much spells