Congratulations Utah!To the classy Utah fans, good luck in the PAC
12.To the arrogant, classless Utah fans that will descend on this
blog like a hoard of locusts, GOODBYE and GOOD RIDDANCE!Those thrilling last second Cougar miracles over the Utes will just be that
Good Riddance!!! Now the Utes will fit in their place at the middle/bottom of
Congratulations to the University of Utah!Even Brigham Young, the
founder of the institution, would be proud.Now the real work begins!
BYE BYE TDS.Have fun hovering around .500 this year, and peaking at
#3 in the conference ocassionally.HELLO BCSGO
UTES(and anyone who plays tds)
AWESOME NEWS! GO UTES!! :)
From possibly the biggest BYU fan on the planet:Congrats Utah. Big
day. Great school, great program, you deserve it. Go kick some California tail
and let's keep the game going in November, eh?
Welcome to the grind, where you have to bring it every week. Best of luck.
"A UTAH MAN AM I. . . GO UTES!!"
Why tommorrow?Is there a board of regents meeting tommorrow, like
Big Ben sais on another board?Nope, it's been really bugging me why
the invite has taken so long. Now, I just assumed that all PAC-10
teams would continue sharing the payout equally.It just occured to
me that maybe they offered Colorado and Utah payouts based upon results. Maybe
Colorado was confident with their payplan, but maybe Chris Hill isn't.I'm thinking Hill has asked for more, and if there is a board of regents
meeting, it's to approve a payout the Dr. Hill has asked for. The 1:00 press
conference maybe to announce whether the Utes are going to the PAC-12... or
not.Why else would the regents have to meet again? I'm sure the Utes
have been cleared for the invite. But another meeting for the regents?Maybe Hill rolled the dice and came out with a better deal for the Utes.
If so, congrats to Dr. Hill, and good luck to Utah.
Congratulations to U. Good luck but I don't believe this will help fill RES
unless the other PAC schools bring a lot of fans to Salt Lake. Furthermore, this
will not be enough to move U athletics, including football, ahead of BYU as
being the best program in the state. Bring on Boise.
I would like to thank BYU for being high enough ranked annually and a small
amount of prestige for Utah to beat on the way to 2 BCS games and a victory over
Alabama that has lead to this day. We couldn't have done it without you, now
be gone from our presence.
Awesome. Cannot wait. Ideally, the Utes will win at least 10 games this year
and 2011 (if they go into the Pac12 in 2012) and help the MWC get an automatic
bid. But that third criteria depends more on the UNM, WY, SDSU, UNLV, CSU of the
league than the top four or five.
I sure hope that the BYU-Utah rivalry stays strong. I'd love to either see the
MWC get an automatic bid or see BYU get into an expanded Big XII. But ... GO UTES!
Yes! ! ! !Got Utes! Sorry we can't take you along with us BYU. It
would have been fun to have you in the same league.
It sort of makes you wonder how much of the SLC TV Market the Utes will be able
to command. If they have a shot at winning, curiosity will get some viewers at
first, but if they lose, they will probably get less of a share than Eugene
Please BYU fans no SOUR GRAPES.If you somehow manage to get into a
BCS league I will be cheering for you just as much as I am for my beloved
UTES.Let's all have a little class on these posts.I hope
Utah still plays you year in and year out. The rivalry has been great and I do
not want to see it end.Now go out and pound the heck out of BSU and
As a Ute fan I couldn't be happier. This will really move the institution to
the next level in both sports and academics.However as a Utahn it
will be hard to watch the great rivalry games with BYU fade to the past.
Although given the acrimony with BYU it may be for the best. Thanks for the
memories BYU. I guess I can start focusing all that energy towards
the Buffs. On a brighter note at least we have a legitimate shot a
national championship, especially with the state of the rest of the PAC-10.
This is the best news ever! Not only will Ute home games get much
better, not only will the Ute’s get an infinitely better TV deal, but one
subject that nobody is talking about is as a Ute grad I think my resume just got
Its good for Utah and for BYU, I don't understand why all you P-Ute fans think
BYU is somehow tethered to you and by them leaving for the Pac-10 is some huge
blow to BYU. They will be fine, you'll see.
I guess Utah wanted an easier conference now that Boise State will join the MWC.
What's not to like? There's apparently more than one way to bust the BCS trust
-- if you can't beat 'em, Orrin and Shurtleff, join 'em!
BYU has spent a lifetime establishing itself as an anomaly. Now their
anomaly-ness leaves them unwelcome to drink at the trough that is the BCS. The
problem is does anomaly=pariah?
AWESOME! Go Utes! More money. More recruits. More national
exposure. Easier conference than the MWC! Awesome deal. BYU just
became the new Utah State!
Quite frankly I think it is stupid for Utah to leave the MWC for the Pac-10.
With Boise State, the MWC is arguably a better conference than the Pac-10, and
would undoubtedly get an automatic BCS bid in the very near future. If you look
at the recent past, Boise State, BYU, TCU, and Utah have outperformed the top of
the Pac-10.This may also mean the end of the yearly BYU-Utah feud, one of
the best rivalries in college football.It is all about the money, but the
Pac-10 does not realize that on average, BYU is more popular nationwide, and in
Utah than UofU is. It is also funny because just a few years ago no BCS
conference would have taken Utah over BYU. BYU is still a bigger draw in the
other Pac-10 areas given the high LDS populations in the region. Even a large
mount of LDS members who have never gone to BYU support them because it is the
Church's school. Utah doesn't garner even close to that same support from
outside the state borders. BYU is the Notre Dame of the West.
Cool!A built-in home-and-home BCS opponent for the Cougars!This will make Holmoe's scheduling a little easier.Congrats Utes!
Congratulations Utes. Now we can show everyone the MWC is better than they
thought. Roses in 5 years or less.
Should I be more excited about joining a real conference with the chance to play
in the national championship game each year, or about the real possibility that
cewgars go .500 this year and don't even go to a bowl, let alone the mighty
vegas bowl(ha ha)GO UTES. This is a historic day. Sorry cewgars,
the only historic day you'll EVER have is 25 years ago. And even that was a
Jealousy... That describes most of the BYU fans!! We paved our own road to get
here... Do the same for yourself!!
Congratulations Utah! You certainly deserve it. Welcome to the Conference of
Champions. I just read that Utah will be playing in the PAC 12 in
2011? If this is true this will be Utah's last season in the MWC. Let's make
it memorable.Estimated revenue in the new PAC 12 is around 18-20
million per team. Revenue in the MWC is around 1.2 million. Folks, this is a
no-brainer. Utah will be making more than 15 times the amount of money in the
PAC 12 than in the MWC. Also, recruiting will be so much easier and our
national exposure will increase 20 fold. GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!
Congrats Utah!and good luckPlease try not to destroy
everything you've accomplished in the MWC by becoming cellar dwellers in the
Great News Utes. I hope that the BYU fans can limit their whining and give
credit where it is do.You can't tell me that the BCS games didn't weigh
favorably. Good Luck MWC ! zooobs.. SEE YA !!
Congrats Utah. I personally hope the 2 schools go their seperate ways when it
comes to scheduling, no offense. See you guys in the Vegas bowl though when you
have good seasons.
I wish the U all the best, but I cannot see them winning a PAC-12 Championship
in the near future. It would be great if they did, though...
The U of U is nuts. They are going to get their clocks cleaned week in and week
out. No PAC 10 recruit wants to come to Utah or Colorado for that matter. BYU should cancel Utah from all further games starting in 2012. The rivalry
has gotten out of hand and many recruits will not go to Utah if they cannot play
BYU. BYU recruits for the more part don't care about Utah. BYU is the premier
program in the state and that will not change. The PAC 10 is full of
religious bigotry and that is why BYU is not being chosen ahead of Utah.
This will be great fun, the U of U gets in line for an automatic bid to a BCS
bowl every year (of course they may or may not make it any given year), and we
get to see BSU beat BYU year in and year out! :-)My only
unfulfilled wish is that the MWC invites USU to join to fill the U of U hole.
Gee Chris B...Classless to the end.Let's see. You lost
to BYU this year in football and basketball, 3 out of 4 in football. Utah
travels weaker that BYU, lost the Deseret duel 45.5 to 15.5. Won one MWC title
in womens tennis, but you're pumped because you get a letter from the PAC 10,
who has been owned by the MWC? All this Ute "Chest Thumping" without winning a
game this year. You must be proud... "Have fun hovering around .500
this year, and peaking at #3 in the conference ocassionally."BYU has
won two of the last four MWC titles in football, but sure... What
can I say, but BYE BYE right at you.Congrats on the letter. I wonder
if the invite will be on poster board, with candybars, that say " We may
"snickers" at you, and you were a "Baby Ruth" but now you are a "Big Hunk", and
will make "100 Grand"?Naval, Hedge, Chris B, and Uteology, does this
mean you will finally stop living to post "anti-zoob" comments on BYU
articles?If we at least get that, then Go Utes... Hope to never see
Congratulations, you found a conference that will make your bball team look
Utah deserves this spot, they've proven they can beat the top programs in the
country and they should have a shot at a national championship with their next
undefeated season. Hopefully someday BYU can earn a chance to get
there as well, but they need to learn to beat teams from top conferences withoug
laying eggs against teams like Florida State. Practicing in pads would be a
good place to start.
Did you guys miss the part where Utah will be getting 10X the money in
Glad to see it finally happening. Wouldn't be surprised to see BYU
in the BIG 12 eventuallyGo Utes
@ jazzbball | 1:25 p.m. June 16, 2010 To the classy BYU fan
(seriously) - thanks, I hope we continue to play BYU every Saturday following
Middle of the PAC 10 or top of the Mountain West? Must be a money thing for
sure. They are going to have to step up recruiting in all sports to compete
otherwise they will be like Arizona, Cal and that group in the middle of the
BYU will now have Boise State and TCU to deal with if they every want a BCS
Conference to pick them up. Going to be rough for ya BYU but good luck with
TheHailstorm | 1:39 p.m. June 16, 2010 "I hope that the BYU fans can limit
their whining and give credit where it is do.zooobs.. SEE YA !!"The word is "due".Did any of your go to college?Sure,
credit will come when you win games consistently.
Instead of spending miserable cold weekends in Laramie we will be enjoying the
great weather in Cali playing on Saturdays and possibly Sundays... Boise will
come in and take over our spot as the hated Big Brother to the TLDS... God Bless
America and Utah Football!!
@Whoa Nellie | 1:27 p.m. June 16, 2010 It's going to be delightful
watching BYU fans tell Boise State fans that they just don't measure up, that
BYU is so much better than they are, that BYU is the only institution on the
planet that is good enough to be here, superior the BYU collective is
just...well...just because.You have always been second rate and now
even you know it.BYU and BYU FANS - - - ADIOS!!!! To
the classy BYU fans...thanks for the well wishes.
I'm guessing Dr. Hill did some work on getting the U the best deal possible. The guy has class. Instead of jumping like a trained seal, he had the
best interest of the U at heart and did his job.Congrats.
Congrats to the U of U. Good luck. Kind of weird, the Utes will
actually have a harder time making a BCS game now. The payoff, is more money and
eventually catching and likely passing BYU with their facilities, and now will
at least they have a shot at a National Championship down the road. Kind of like
ASU, they are usually middle of the road in the PAC-10, but they did get to play
in a Rose Bowl, only to lose to Ohio St with a QB from Mesa.
To the University of Utah, it's football team and my classy Utah friends (both
of them), congratulations and best of luck!To all of the rest, don't
worry about the rivalry game. Realistically, we'll be seeing you more in Vegas
than we did at RES.
Hailstorm,No whining here. I give credit squarely to BYU for paving
the way for Utah to have such a great run at national exposure and better
UTE BIRD... It is funny that you are criticizing him for his spelling but you
said "Did any of your go to college" hahahahahahahaha... Talk about digging your
Congrats Utah!And, good luck in the PAC 12!It'll be
interesting to see how Utah fans react in a couple of years when Jake Heaps is
leading the Cougars to their first victory in a BCS game, after watching Utah
play Colorado State in the Las Vegas Bowl.I see the dark side of the
Utah fan base starting to spam the board, so I'll leave U to roll in your
hogwash for awhile.I'm reminded of the chant directed at the
departing Arizona schools 30 years ago:"Why join the PAC, when
you're losers in the WAC."This will be a really fun year for BYU,
not being the most hated team in the MWC.Enjoy that target on your
Awww.... the BYU fans are so bitter and jealous. Let me shed a tear for you.
@ TAGZZ 1:52 p.m.BYU has more respect for Boise St. than for Utah
arrogance. Boise has earned it, Utah is in for a wake up call.To
all true Utah fans, good luck to you. Congrats on your new future and I hope
you do well. To all you others (hedgehog, Chris B, and the rest of delusionals
who give Utah the hated little brother name...), don't let the door hit you on
the way out. Good riddance!
BYU fan, all I can say is, keep saying whatever makes you feel better. See ya,
wouldn't want to be ya!PS: I can't wait to go to elders quorum this
Congrats Utes on being the afterthought choice - Raspberries to the PAC-??
whatever they will end up being, for not taking both Utah elite schools.I hope 'U' get what you think you'll get, but I fear as mentioned
elsewhere, you'll be middle to bottom and just enjoying the BCS money, not the
actual involvement... Here's hoping you can beat Arizona, Colorado, and maybe
Washington State on a continual basis in football; and other wins as they come.
Go Gymnastics though!!!Whittingham will last one, maybe two, seasons
in that conference. But, I hope I'm wrong.
What a shining example of success breeding pride. I'm happy for
Utah and sad for the MWC who lost a tremendous asset. To my fellow
BYU fans, just let it go. Don't match BYU haters arrogance with jealosy.
They're succeeding in a secular world. Congratulations are in order.
RE: KVCNo doubt the MWC would have been a stronger conference with
Utah, TCU, Boise and BYU than the Pac-10 with USC (sanctioned) and Oregon. But,
when it comes down to it, the almighty dollar rules. Utah would be STUPID not to
move to the PAC-10 and take the extra $10-$15 million a year. That will do
wonders for recruiting, facilities and everything else. And if the Utes can
manage 1-2 conference losses every year, they'll be in great shape to win the
conference EVERY YEAR and get the automatic BCS bid!
When will the holy war be played? Interesting if it was the first game of the
season. I can't think of two rivals in different leagues who step out of
conference to play each other in the final game of the season.
3.Money. Big programs take buckets of money. Without the proper funds, success
is harder to come by. Money earned will also feed into the education aspect.
More money for research, quality professors, facilities etc...The
idea of Utah and BYU in separate conferences is a weird one. One we can only
speculate on. But imagine if Utah and BYU won their conferences, what a boost
for the state as a whole. Theoretically they could play each other in a bowl
game, too. Utah will be a contender year in and year out, and for those who
think they won't are either unrealistic or haters.I really don't see
why this would ever be considered a bad decision. Look for some BIG changes in
the Utah football Landscape.Go Utes!
I rarely post. But this calls for some celebration and comment.The
future could hold some great scenarios.Reasons why going to the PAC
12 is a good idea:1.Recruiting. A big selling point to recruits is
the opponents they will play. Local high school students will look at the Utah
or BYU option. Go to BYU, play some fun games in BSU and TCU. But suffer with
those games against Wyoming, CSU, NM etc... Go to Utah, and play big name teams
week in and week out. The national recruiting base should increase also. Who
doesn't want to play for an upcoming team that you could have a realistic chance
in actually seeing the field.2.TV coverage. Want to know why no one
in the nation really knows or cares about the MWC? Because they are shown on
this discrete mtn network, that is ABSOLUTELY terrible. Being able to play
every game with it reaching airwaves across the nation will only add fan base
TAGZZ | 1:57 p.m. June 16, 2010 Not the spelling, plenty of spelling
errors. It's knowing what the words are.Stuff you learn in college.
New conference, same u team, same classless fans.
With or without Utah in the MWC BYU still commmands a lot respect in many areas.
Not only football but academically and in other sports. If one compares all
sports, BYU out does Notre Dame and other programs back east. Utah has not
acheived that yet.
Jake Heaps... He won't take you anywhere and nobody in the country will... You
will need a miracle to get into a BCS Game, Am I sensing that "The Quest For
Perfection" is coming back in full force? Oh yeah, Until you lose a game in the
first part of the season then it will be "Wait Until Next Year" hahahahahahaha
Give me a break guys, Don't be so jealous... We paved the way for ourselves...
In the short time Urban Meyer was here he knew that the Pac 10 would come
knocking, And I am sure TDS knew it would eventually happen, Good Riddance to
The Little Sisters Down South!!
Sorry Cougars but you’re going to have to come up with new Utah jokes.That being said I hope you guys get into the conference formally known
as the Big twelve.And people are crazy if they think that Utah
changing conferences will lessen the Utah/BYU rivalry.
wow- a lot of arrogance and hypocrisy in many of these posts. Good luck to you
utah, but BSU is more than an ample replacement.They've also won 2
B(C)S bowl games, and unlike the u- they are great and ranked year in and year
out, not just every 4 years.The MWC will continue to own the pac-12,
just as it has the past few years, including in November.
BE SMART MWC......Get Utah State QUICK!!! I know they have been
horrible in football, but they bring basketball to the table which makes the
conference STRONGER!!!It also doesn't change geographic rivalries.Be smart......
bradleyc | 1:42 p.m. June 16, 2010 The University of Utah has
prepared for this day for several decades when the strategy to become a world
class research institution was firmly put in place. The University's classrooms
have reaped the rewards of the research effort.Ron McBride with the
help of Fred Whittingham breathed life into the football program and Urban Myer
and now Kyle Whittigham sealed the deal. I wish I could see the grin on Kyle's
face as he thinks about the prospect of playing against PAC-12 schools each
week!A tremendous effort that has spanned decades coming to
fruition...WELL DONE, UTAH...WELL DONE INDEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can see it now:27 Nov 2010 @RES: BYU v. UtahFinal
Score:BYU 41Utah 13A real classy way to send them
to La La Land.
Congrats Utah! You guys earned it. We'll miss you. Our rivalry
game will never be the same. But the game will be a lot warmer on Labor day
than on Thanksgiving!Go Cougs!
Congratulations Utah!Good luck in the PAC 12!Hopefully,
you can use some of that PAC 12 money to build a decent-sized stadium so that
ALL of the BYU fans who want to attend the BYU-Utah games at RES will be able to
get in to see the Cougars pull anotherHarline is still open!
As a Utah fan I have been overwhelmed and gratified by the congratulations from
our cousins down south. I wish we could both have gone and there is no question
that on the basis of having a quality program the team down south deserves to be
in a top tier conference. Hopefully the Big 12 will move back to 12 and take you
guys. Then we can have what we have always wanted for the last 100 years. A
national championship game between BYU and Utah.Hopefully Utah will
win it, 34-31. :)
Goodbye Zoobies. HAHAHAHAHA! As a parting gift we will give you our spot in the
conference. The only catch is that you will have to beat Boise and TCU for it.
This is really bad not only for BYU athletics, but academics as well. Utah's
increase in revenue will be huge and give them an academic and athletic
advantage. I fear that my current school will be 2nd tier in the state by the
time I graduate. The reason I came to BYU and did not go to Utah was because BYU
has a better academic reputation. I really hope that will continue to hold up,
but to they dude that said "I think my resume just go a whole lot better."
you're probably right.
From ESPN: "The addition of Utah is likely to bolster the Pac-10's football
profile. Since 2003 the Utes have been a powerhouse in the Mountain West -- a
perfect 6-0 in bowl games during that span, including a 2-0 mark in BCS games
which capped off undefeated seasons." I love it!
Congratulations to the Utah program. In the future, the Y will not be going to
the old Big 12. It is a Texas dominated conference where the longhorns bring in
so much money to run things on it's incredible. Why do you think Nebraska and
Colorado wanted out. So does Missouri. No, the Y should stay right where they
are and look at maybe adding Houston or Tulsa or Fresno State---preferably
Houston. But, we weren't invited to the Pac 10, so let's not get our
panties in a twist. Some of the reasons are fairly obvious, and it's not
athletics, facilities, or academics. Prop 8 is coming home to roost. We've
made our own bed so it's time to sleep in it.
The whole idea stinks. Go Cougars and Aggies.
@ Anti Bush-Obama | 2:14 p.m.Your spot in the conference was
perennial 3rd place (with two hiccups to the top). I think we'll keep our
traditional spot trading off second and first place with TCU and
soon-to-be-added BSU. =)
As a UTE fan I sat don't do it. It is like like the ugly step-sister being
finally being invited to the ball. Stay with the MWC & bring down the PAC-10.
Congrats to Utah - it's a great opportunity for your school and your program.
Even though I'm a BYU fan and alum, I'll be pulling for you to do well in the
PAC12 - would love to see you in the Rose Bowl.
Utah's the last pick and was chosen after better schools refused to join up.Utah's recruiting won't change much...pushing a program that's at the
tops of the MWC or the middle/bottom of the Pac-12 will still bring in similar
players.Money's not everything, but I guess Utah's just happy to be
the Pac-12's Baylor.And the majority of the reasons of choosing Utah
over BYU has nothing to do with sports...Utah is a premier research institution
while BYU focuses on undergrad work. Nothing wrong with either approach, but
the conference looks at more than just athletic prowess.Utah
athletics is in for a very rude awakening, tough games every week and little
chance of ever hitting another BCS game. How often in the history of the BCS
has Arizona, Arizona State, Washington State and the others been to a BCS game?
If competing in BCS games is the goal then Utah just went the wrong direction.
If cashing in on mediocrity is the goal then Utah's hit the jackpot!
Why would Utah want to continue playing BYU? They are in a BCS conference now
so they should make the easiest schedule possible. Lets be honest the rivalry
is pretty much even these days so that doesn't help them especially if they
lose. Good luck Utes but go BYU.
to PJ- Georgia and Ga Tech play each other the last regular season
Saturday (before conference championships) and they are in different
conferences.It can happen.Fl vs Fl St also play each
other on that last weekend occas.
From another Cougar fan, congratulations Utes! Some of my fellow fans need to
put aside their jealousy.The U. has a top notch medical school, has
been to 2 BCS games, won them both, and won 7 bowl games in a row. The Utes
have earned this themselves. If BYU brought enough to the table, the no Sunday
play rule would have been worked out. This has nothing to do with religious
bigotry and everything to with what the Utes have accomplished and the great
school it is. Congratulations Utah! I think it's awesome.
Why do people think the rivalry will end? I can see it getting more bitter. If
they can still work it to be last game of year and one team can knock the other
out of a championship game or title it will fire up both sides.As a
BYU fan I say congrats to the Utes and I wish you the best. Both are quality
schools with great athletic programs.
NICE!!!!I have been waiting to actually see the invite. All
formalities now.Buster/sportsfan (I can't remember which was
spouting off about their cousin's son being recruited by Kwit)You
still call Kwhit a "liar" for saying they might end of up in the Pac 12 to
recruits? I think not. Do you think he is glad he turned down byu? I think so!
Don't worry byu fans, the rivalry will continue. There is way too
much money involved for it to stop.Good day, Good day!GO
@Just MeUtah State does NOTHING for the MWC. The only thing adding a
USU, or any other WAC school for that matter, would do for the MWC is decrease
the already pathetic pay-out to all the other schools. The Aggies DO have a
great BBall program, possibly the best in the state (and I say that as a BYU
fan), but they bring an almost non-existent TV market that BYU already brings
anyway, and their winning percentage in football would only add another lead
weight around the ankles of the conference. The MWC needs to find another
TCU-like program somewhere in Texas. Houston would be the most attractive
possibility, or perhaps SMU, already a long time rival of TCU, and making a lot
of progress rebuilding their program after receiving the NCAA "death sentence"
25 years ago. I love USU and would love to have them back in the
same conference as BYU, but purely for sentimental reasons. From a competitive
and financial standpoint they would only hurt the MWC and make it that much
harder to get an AQ bid.
This is great news. I just hope the rivalry with the team down south remains the
same. Especially now max hall is no longer there! Go Utes.
A BYU fan - Yes, I am jealous. Extremely jealous. But, BYU has done an piss
poor job of marketing itself to other conferences. Holmoe has done nothing but
sat by his phone hoping to get a call. It's time for fans to be pissed off.Time to relish mediocrity for the rest of our natual lives at BYU, at least
until the brethren abolish sports at the Y. Congrats, Utah. You deserve
it. Fans should be wigging out - and I'll be much more interested in the Utah
season in 2011 than in BYU's. I'm much rather attend games where USC, Oregon,
and company will be playing at Rice Eccles than Air Force and Wyoming (or other
Dear BYUFACE.Love, Every Utah Fan.
Why should we congratulate the Utes for choosing to go to the PAC-12? The PAC-10
would not consider BYU because of The PAC-10 schools are religiously bigoted.
Yet, the Utes find it better to go to the PAC-12 seeking fame and money rather
than standing up against the PAC-10's poor morals. Shouldn't the Utes want to be
respected for valuing respect over money? It seems the University is more
concerned about football glory than standing up and saying "no" to the PAC-10's
values. BYU does not need its football team to be #1 in order to be
a truly great university. BYU values respect and honor over money and glory for
its football team. The Utes have chosen otherwise and may they reap what they
sow. Isn't it funny that the Mountain West teams like BYU can do so
much more with so much less money to play football than the PAC-12 schools? If
the PAC-12 schools were truly great academic schools, they would know how to do
See ya Cougs. We're off to a real conference now. Good luck losing to Boise
State for the rest of eternity.Nice to be associated with real men and
real teams now.Good riddance.
From a BYU fan .... good luck UTES! This obviously a decision based on $$$ and
lots of it. And isn't that the objective of every D-1 football program, make
$$$?? YES! To heck with rivalries and down home tradition, Utah has a chance to
make 10x plus the millions of $$$, which will obviously benefit many of the
other sports programs. Unfortunately all sports but gymnastics will be even
worse off when comes to W-L records. Good luck UTES, enjoy the $$$. And by the
way, the only reason BYU has not been offered a PAC10 birth is one word ...
When you live right on and off the field, good things happen! Looks like Utah
was living far better.
Congrats to the Utes - it will be sad to see the rivalry go since the frequency
of the meetings it what made it great. This will do wonders for local
recruiting and Bronco will need to figure out how to make BYU attractive to kids
who are deciding between the two schools.
What a joke! The weak just got weaker. The desperate Pac-10, after their
arrogance causes them over-reach and completely mishandle their expansion plans,
ends up adding a terrible Colorado program (not to mention the fact that CU was
one of two D-1 programs to be warned by the NCAA because of their academic
performance) and a Utah program that has basically had two good years in
football in the past, what 20-25 years?I think any knowledgeable,
objective observer can see that this is a desperate move by the Pac-10 and a
move that any self-respecting, clear thinking program would avoid....but then
again we're talking about the U here.You watch, in 5 years the
Pac-10, or Pac-12, will be as relevant to the college football scene as the Big
East and the ACC are today.
Lets see, watch USC Oregon and Cal or Wyoming,CSU and UNLV on a Saturday
afternoon. Not even close
Just so that you can get used to this new and bitter taste in your mouth zoobs
read on. On a future Saturday the reality of your world will be the Cougars
playing the Cowboys in Laramie and the UTES will be in the Coliseum in southern
cal playing USC, or across town playing UCLA at the Rose Bowl while the Cougars
are in Fort Collins. Play Big, Play Hard and book your rooms in advance for the
New Mexico Bowl cause I don't see BSU or TCU giving you any chance to go to a
BCS game, EVER!
the U is on the map for big time college athletics now ... very impressive.
Also, the U as an institution will shine even brighter. I would expect an
expansion to the Football stadium - perhaps at least another 10000 added to the
end zones because fans will certainly fill them. This is really big news for the
state of Utah and congrat's to the U! As for BYU... well I guess becoming
little brother now will be something pretty hard to swallow for many.
To Ute Bird Mascot's grading scale---- " Did any of your go to college?
" Grammar D- I'm sure it didn't hurt that Coach Kyle won Coach
of the Year in 2008. And boy listen to the blue bloods reach deep for
excuses, whining is a natural in Utah county and LOOK HOW Hard they try and make
themselves look good by insulting the Utes success.
I have no problem with the Utes leaving the MWC I thinks its great, I just
can't stand you Poote fans that think you are now instantly some perennial BCS
contender, did Jordan Wynn suddenly have a Pac-10 arm transplant? BYU and Utah's
records aren't that different excluding the two BCS wins. The Utes sucked for
how many years until Meyer rolled into town? If BYU isn't a private religious
school then they are the ones going to the P-12(guaranteed). So Ute fans don't
try to convince everyone else your were "chosen" because you are the superior
school on or off the field in Utah.
PS BYU.We don't need you, but now you need us!
Just great, more looney comparisons... "BYU is the Harvard of the West". "BYU
is the Notre Dame of the West". Just call it like it is... BYU offers a good
ecucation but lacks research, BYU has a nice football program but apparantly not
appealing enough to the PAC 10. Light is truth and I've just delivered a bit of
light to the Y fans currently in denial.
Wow.. this is classic. Listening to Utah and BYU lovers. You sit there and rip
each other apart with some pretty vile comments.And you all have the
nerve to criticize me when I rip on Spazz fans? Being a fan of the WORLD
Champion Lakers and living in Utah, I have seen the delusion and hatred of the
Spazz fan. I see now where you get it from. You have good practice on each other
during the college football season.Let me set you Ute fans straight.
You will never be anything more than a middle-rate team in our conference. You
will be what Baylor is to the Big 12. I cannot wait to see SC, Cal, Wash, and
Stanford stomp on you every year. Enjoy the money because that's all
you are going to love with this move.
Actually we may be playing Utah each year in the Las Vegas bowl. I believe the
Vegas bowl pulls the 4th or 5th team from the Pac12 against the MWC champ. Now
that is irony....
@Cougar Blue | 2:15 p.m. June 16, 2010 You had a great post until
you launched into the excuses. Too bad...but typical. The PAC laid out its
criteria very clearly and the bar is just too high for BYU. Deal with it.The BYU well wishers with class...my thanks!
Why would anybody want anything to do with this over-rated conference, i.e., the
Pac-10. Look what is going on with Pac-10 football. They lost all of their
bowl games this past year (with the exception of USC beating Boston College in
the Emerald Bowl) and now USC is heading into the toilet with their NCAA
sanctions and Kiffen leading the way.They had 2 teams qualify for
the NCAA B-Ball tournament, which was a gift. And even their "Olympic" sports
are going downhill. When you compare the performance of the Pac-10 to the
Big-12 or even the MWC over the past 5 years (with the exception of USC) they
have been dominated.And now they add Colorado to the bottom of the
pile and Utah to the middle of a deteriorating list of programs.Good
luck Utah, good luck Pac-10. Enjoy your AQ status because it doesn't seem like
it will last for long. And way to go Utah..way to be forward thinking.
I wish I could muster enough enthusiasm to say I cared. Be careful
what you wish for...you just might get something worse. Big time spankings
coming for the Utes in a couple of years?
While I hate to see Utah go, the BSU addition makes the conference stronger.BSU has owned Utah.The Utes leave to go to the PAC-10, and
without the Utes, the MWC will be stronger in 2012 than 2010.I love
the irony there.I hope Holmoe is smart and drops Utah at RES until
they get a stadium. BYU no longer needs to carry Utah. It's like little brother
has finally moved out of the basement to go and face the world on his own.
PAC-10 or not, the U is still the U. It's too bad their self concept is tied to
what conference they are in. It's sad when they don't even have an identity.Just remeber how lousy your basketball team is, and if you can be owned
in football by BSU, from the WAC, how will you compete in the PAC-10.Teams won't be looking past the U, they will be looking to take you down evey
week.Mony can buy alot of stuff (like the U), but it can't buy
success. That has to be earned.2008,a 4-8 UNM 13-10.UNLV.
To Chris Hill: Better get a bigger stadium on the drawing boards. This has got
to happen and it can't come to soon. To coach Kyle:Way to go, you
and your staff deserve this for all you have done for the school and the state.
To all you the in-state football players: You have 2 choices:
Playing Wyo. and UNLV or SC and UCLA, I wonder which one they will choose?Go UTES, it's a great day to be a UTAH MAN!
Let me make sure I've got this right - Utah has spent years documenting how the
unfair BCS system cost them at least 1, and possibly 2 shots to play for a NC,
now they will be jumping at the chance to endorse the very system they've fought
for so long as illegal?Hmmmm, I guess the old Devil was right when
he said you could buy anything in this world with money.And, just to
set the record straight - No, I'm not a BYU fan.It is ironic though
that this move, while awful reflective of selling your soul for money, will very
likely result in Utah seeing less of a chance to participate in so called BCS
bowls. I guess the goal was the almighty dollar and starting each year with a
chance to play for a NC-even though finishing with one is not very likely.
Here are a couple thoughts:1. I cant wait for the upcoming season.
Everytime Utah loses, other people are going to REALLY be on them. 2. BYU and TCU are really going to want to stick it to us. Thats ok. We owe
them both a big punch of our own, so I expect both games to be awesome.GO UTES!
Runner | 2:35 p.m. June 16, 2010 Thanks for your opinion. Here's a
lollipop for you...now run along little boy.
Runner... You are funny!! 2 good seasons in the past 20-25 years... Since the
BCS came along College Football isn't a cake walk like 26 years ago when BYU won
the NC... Don't be so Jealous, Good things will come to BYU too!! You can't tell
me that if you were offered an invitation from the Big 12 that you wouldn't take
it... This is just another case of Jealousy... Utah isn't the last choice for
the Pac 10, even Urban Meyer said that the Pac 10 was in talks with Utah when he
was coaching here... Calm down child, Head Coach Pony will find a way to get the
players that BYU always gets!!
Congrats Utes. The guys who say 'see ya' and 'we're off to a real
conference' were the same guys complaining about the BCS in perfect seasons.
So let me get this... BYU has a stadium that fits 20,000 more people, a national
championship, Heisman winner, numerous All-American QBs, has been consistently
good for 30 years, is good at other sports, has a fan base all over the country
and gets overlooked. Utah has 2 great seasons...EVER and gets an invite. It
must be because we won't play on Sunday...Utah fans should enjoy
this, but at the same time remember whose coattails they rode on to get here.
In spite of all of this Utah will still play in its share of Las
Vegas Bowl games.
Didn't you lose to Oregon last year?
@ bonnevillain | 2:34 p.m.Only time will tell if this was a good
thing for Utah. There's a lot of specualation that I'm hearing that isn't based
on anything yet. I'm excited to see how the next decade goes for you. After
that, we can tell if it's a good thing.The speculation I'm laughing
at the most is that Utah will be competing for the BCS title every year. Utah
is good, don't get me wrong, but every year?? Well, we'll see. But right now,
it's all ego and nothing to back it up.
In today's edition of the Arizona Daily Star, one of their sports columnists
sheds some light on the moves so far by the Pac 10. If you are a Ute or Buffalo
fan, caution, you won't like it a bit.
It will be great having the Utes work towards breaking up the BCS monopoly from
the inside. I am sure their memory of this injustice will not dissipate. To the cougar fans, now you know how it feels to get screwed over, just
like you screwed over USU many years ago when you expelled them from the
conference. What goes around, comes around.
BYU is going to suffer recruting wise now no question ... and Utah is going to
be able to grab the cream of the crop of LDS recruits from Utah and California.
The reason the U will grab all the best LDS kids from California (football) is
because Whitingham recognizes and works with returned missionaries and the fact
that BYU is off the map now for the top LDS recruits since they will all want to
play in the PAC 10. I expect BYU athletics to go into big time decline going
forward which is sad for the Y but that is reality.
Who's going to fill in BSU on the 'Quest for Perfection' story???BSU
will be very accommodating to carry on the tradition, I'm sure.
Awesome for U of U and the state of Utah. I'm a California BYU grad and I think
the new PAC-12 will be a great conference. I think it would've been better to
invite BYU and Utah to the PAC-10. CU has really had no competitive team in any
sport for many many years. Nonetheless, I applaud U of U. BYU will have to win
its praises by continuing in the MWC -- not such a bad place...
Holy Cow! I've only read the first 1 and 1/2 pages of comments and it's obvious
that the majority (of TDS posters at least) are CSU green with envy when they
ought to be just plain Blue - hoo. The reaction on these pages to
the news (not to mention the 10x increase in annual conference income) makes the
move worth it. Go UTES!
The PAC 12 just got weaker, and The MWC got stronger in one week.Classic Yewtology.
Congrats to UU! Long overdue recognition of a stellar football program. This
brings prestige to SLC and Utah which will create a positive ripple effect for
Congrats Utah.But, be carefull what you wish for.Let's
be honest here. Utah was picked over BYU for one simple reason. Several of the
PAC 10 presidents stated publically that they had no desire for a staunchly
religious school as part of the conference. No Mormons allowed!Utah
fits geographically and considering all the other schools in the west was the
only choice. Only after all their other choices passed did the selection fall to
the utes. Recent success in the football program helped, but nationally
considering all sports Utah only comes in at #67, BYU is ranked #16. Ranking all
sports, utah is only #4 in the MWC...So, no Mormons wanted, other
schools declined and it falls into the lap of the utes.
To Ute Bird Mascot: the word is you... not yourbradleyc: what world
do you live in? The Provo bubble world?
It's interesting to see the true lack of intelligence of some of the Utah
faithful, like Mike in Sandy:"We're off to a real conference
now."All that does is validate the argument that BCS teams have been
using against the Utahs and Boise States of the college football world, that the
2004 and 2008 Utes didn't have any right to even be considered for the national
championship, because they didn't play in a "real" conference.Of
course when they're on the inside looking out, an undefeated MWC season will be
much less meaningful than a 12-1 BCS conference season.Be careful
about discounting those two undefeated seasons too much Utah fans. Those may be
the only decent seasons the Utes have to hang their hat on for a long time..
CONGRATULATIONS UTES!!!!! As a former resident of Utah with ties to
the U. of U., I want to say how happy I am for the University of Utah, and for
the state of Utah for that matter. Absolutely great news!!
The PAC 12 is not religously bigoted, they are private religous school bigoted,
there is a difference. It is nothing against the LDS religion, of which I am a
card carrying, Missionary prep teaching, active member.
@yankee doodle | 2:40 p.m. June 16, 2010 "I just can't stand you
Poote fans that think you are now instantly some perennial BCS contender...The
Utes sucked for how many years until Meyer rolled into town? If BYU isn't a
private religious school then they are the ones going to the
P-12(guaranteed)."I've been waiting for you to show up. Do we need
to put you on a suicide watch??
dear yankee doodle. your jealousy is showing. all your what ifs and conjecture
makes me laugh.
The Utes just sold their birthright for a mess of pottage. Sure there is more
money and the possibility of playing in a BCS championship now... but what about
later? Part of the big money the PAC is throwing around is based on
the PAC 12 forming its own network. Unfortunately(and you can quote me on this)
what will happen is the PAC 12 will make sure the TV contracts favor California
schools who will get the majority of the money, and games on the network, like
Texas does in the Big 12. Utah and the Pac 12 north schools aren't going to get
much more then they are getting now, I am guessing If Utah would
have stayed in the MWC, a BSC bit was sure to have happened, which would have
given the conference more money = around 7-80
BYU sure is persecuted for their religion. Somebody should write a proposition
to ban descrimination against anybody for any religious belief. Maybe we could
make it law.
To Ute fans and the University of Utah,I offer my full, heartfelt
congratulations!! This is perhaps the most historic day in sports in the state
of Utah. Even more importantly, this will change our state and our institutions
for the better. Excellence breeds excellence--at least for those who can humbly
learn from it from both sides of the aisle. USU, WSU, UVU, BYU, SUU, Dixie, etc.
can all learn and benefit from your leadership in being the first Utah
university to create a COMPLETE package of excellence. No longer can our state
be referred to as an intellectual backwoods--the University of Utah crushes that
notion. You should expect an invitation to the AAU in the next couple of
years...You have set an extremely high bar. I just hope some of the other
institutions learn from the U. Regardless, as least we have the U!!
Yes, Harline is still open and BYU is still in the MWC
Bitter BYU fan, be real with yourself, the Cougars had their chance last season
before blowing it with TCU. The football program has become stagnant with Vegas
Bowl after Vegal Bowl.
@Ute Bird Mascot | 2:45 p.m. June 16, 2010 Your post is humorous to
be sure..."Mony can buy alot of stuff (like the U), but it can't buy
success. That has to be earned."Well, I would say the University of
Utah has earned the privilege to move to the next level. See ya!
Disappointed obviously to be "not picked". But looking forward to some good
football against BSU, TCU, and whoever else is able to show up (AFA, CSU).I have to wonder if Prop 8 and the religious aspect came into "not
taking" BYU, but not in a bigotry sense. If I'm the Pac 10, even if I wanted
BYU from a TV perspective, I don't know that I want political protests at every
sporting event. Which they would clearly get, at least initially. So I'm
comforting myself with that.
I did have two thoughts. 1-The fun part. The younger guys I go to
church with could care less about the Utes. Now that the Utes are in the PAC-10
maybe they can join me in hating the Utes and wishing for their demise in all
things athletics. We have about a half dozen BYU and U AZ guys, more than a
dozen ASU guys, and 1 Ute. He is a bit of an outcast really-j/k-He is an
awesome guy and made it out of Utah Valley. 2-Now for the
distasteful part. If the U goes to the PAC-10 and faceplants, that is going to
make the MWC look really weak because the Utes have been champion or within a
game or two of the football championship for the last 5 years. That would
seriously hurt credibility of the MWC getting a BCS automatic bid, as slim the
hope is in the future. That will make me cuss like a sailor. So do
I have to root for the Utes? Maybe only in football. I am in real trouble here
folks. Can someone pony up some cash for therapy?
Wrote Arizona Daily Star reporter Greg Hansen: "Colorado brings little to the
Pac-10. No baseball, no softball, no swimming, a basketball team that averaged
6,267 fans and almost no new money. Utah would bring even less. The Utes
wouldn't help to solve the raging financial crisis at Oregon State, Wazzu and
ASU. We take it on good faith that Scott has more to his expansion
tour/marketing outreach than Colorado and Utah. We take it that the presidents
and chancellors of the Pac-10 didn't give Scott all of that power merely to add
teams with less presence than Oregon State. The Pac-10 can use a bump in
glamour, and especially one at the bank, but I don't see how Colorado or Utah
can help either. I'm aware of the negative variables and politics about adding
BYU, but the Cougars have a history, a brand and a presence that neither Utah
nor Colorado can touch."The reality is that the Oregon and
California Housing Bubble has really hurt the Universities. They needed the
money, and this is a desperation move.Lay off the chest thumping.
The PAC-12 is hurting right now.
Are you serious Ute fans? You actually think we picked you because you are a
superior program to BYU?The delusion never ends in Utah. Your Spazz
fan delusion is sickening.The only reason why BYU was not picked
over you was because of the fact that BYU is run by the Mormon church.You don't have the prestige and national attention that BYU has. Sure you got
your two BCS wins but it was only because you had the best program builder and
coach on the planet in Urban Meyer and yes he was the reason you won it the
second time. You got so lucky that season to go undefeated barely beating so
average teams. You will not see the road so easy in the Pac10.BYU is
the superior sports program. You are a Johnny come lately that was lucky enough
to have BYU pave the way for your state. You capitalized on it so good for you
but don't kid yourself. Accept reality... although I am finding that
you are incapable of doing that since you have Spazz fan in your blood.
@Wa. Coug | 2:51 p.m. June 16, 2010 Well, let's see...let's be
completely honest and admit:1. The PAC laid out very clear criteria
and BYU didn't measure up2. You are jealous.Stop making
excuses. The time for debate is over.
"BYU is going to suffer recruting wise now no question ... and Utah is going to
be able to grab the cream of the crop of LDS recruits from Utah and
California."BYU and Utah don't compete for the same recruits all
that often and most of the recruits who sign with BYU, choose BYU because of
many factors that have absolutely nothing to do with football.Utah
will now be competing with Oregon, USC, UCLA, Arizona State, Notre Dame and
other schools for LDS athletes whose main focus is only football.Not
much is going to change except for an upgrade to Utah's stadium and other
athletic facilities, which will only bring them on par with the facilities BYU
@WestCoast1 | 2:52 p.m. June 16, 2010 Thank you...we are very
excited about the news. It is indeed a great day for the State and the
billybob | 2:53 p.m. June 16, 2010The Utes just sold their birthright for
a mess of pottage. LOL, yeah, BYU would sell for half a
mess of pottage right now.
chuckie | 3:02 p.m. June 16, 2010 And you think this means
something?? It's the same baseless opinion spewed by BYU fans. It's just a
column...similar to what Dick Harmon would write.Speaking of
which...where's Mr. Harmon?
re: billybob | 2:53 p.m. June 16, 2010 "The Utes just sold their
birthright for a mess of pottage"Who are you people? You can't be
Re: Chuckie at 2:50Keep trying to convince yourself of that comment
you made Chuckie. We will be laughing all the way to the bank to the tune of
about $9 million more annually than what was paid by the MWC TV network dealGood luck keeping any blue chip LDS recruits now both in and out of
@German engineering | 2:55 p.m. June 16, 2010 An excellent
analogy...I couldn't agree more.
Utah's is in and the TDS is on the outside looking in. Good riddance to bad
rubbish. Who's the big brother now? Enjoy your MWC schedule. You'll need to
rely on Boise St. to get a BCS bid. So long . . .
@ chuckie | 3:02 p.m.You just made my day!! LOL!!
"Wrote Arizona Daily Star reporter Greg Hansen: "Colorado brings little to the
Pac-10. No baseball, no softball, no swimming, a basketball team that averaged
6,267 fans and almost no new money. Utah would bring even less. The Utes
wouldn't help to solve the raging financial crisis at Oregon State, Wazzu and
ASU. We take it on good faith that Scott has more to his expansion
tour/marketing outreach than Colorado and Utah. We take it that the presidents
and chancellors of the Pac-10 didn't give Scott all of that power merely to add
teams with less presence than Oregon State. The Pac-10 can use a bump in
glamour, and especially one at the bank, but I don't see how Colorado or Utah
can help either. I'm aware of the negative variables and politics about adding
BYU, but the Cougars have a history, a brand and a presence that neither Utah
nor Colorado can touch.""Funny how the housing bubble hurt not only
CA and Oregon, but Washington and Arizona too.The State run
Universities need help.I really wonder what the money part of the
deal is for the U and Colorado.
Some Utah fans are really foul in these posts. Hopefully with BYU and Utah in
difference conferences tensions between the two schools will cool down a bit
now, but unfortunately I doubt it will. Having AZ, ASU, UCLA, USC, & CU in a
division will be interesting and the Utes should compete fairly well now that
USC has been thrown to the dog house.Lets hope BYU joins the Big 12
along with Air Force then they would have AF, KS, KSU, Miz, & Iowa St in the
@Buzz | 3:04 p.m. June 16, 2010 see...Archie | 3:04 p.m.
June 16, 2010
I wonder how all those LDS recruits who will be flocking to Utah will feel in a
few years when they see Utah mired in the middle of the PAC 12 and playing in
the Las Vegas Bowl while BYU is alternating with TCU and BSU winning the MWC and
playing in BCS games.With the shine is off their new PAC 12
membership, will Utah really have a recruiting advantage selling middle of the
PAC over champions in the MWC.
Hey Buzz,1- Scoreboard2- Scoreboard3- Scoreboard
AZ Guy... You go to church and talk about how bad you hate UTAH... Are you sure
your name isn't Max Hall and is that what your church believes in, is to hate
people!! I am glad I stopped going to church years ago then if this is the case
@ CasperI am not sure if I interpret you correctly, but are you
saying this report is a farce and the U is not going to the PAC-10?There is way, way, way too much smoke for there to not be fire. I don't think
this is a hoax.
After all the hollering and complaining about how unfair the BCS is and blah
blah blah..now yewtah decides it's the greatest thing since sliced bread and has
already taken part in it's mentality. How quickly you turncoat yewts have
already turned on the MWC, when a week ago you were extolling her virtues.
Smart move by the Pac-10 then...now the whiniest baby is placated and they wont'
have to listen to yewtah's administrators and fans cry about how unfair the BCS
Everyone should just stop and think. This is so good for everyone in this
state, including BYU. As a high school coach for 25 years this will be so good
for high school recruiting and revenues. We all have to stop and look at the
big picture this is so awesome. I love it; and maybe now BYU will start playing
some tough schools week in and week out to prove they can compete with the big
boys. They need to stop protecting there coaching jobs by playing easy schools
they know they can beat every week.This great for the state of Utah
welcome to the rest of America Utah
Congratulations to the University of Utah and thank you for your continued
leadership in our State.
We have known for quite some time that the PAC-10 (12) would take Utah over BYU.
Cal is overly liberal and Stanford would never condsider BYU because of its
religious ties. The PAC-10 in this case is putting more weight on academic
research than sports. If this were only about sports, then BYU would be
eligible in a heartbeat, but it goes far beyond that and unfortunately the
reasons are not sports related in any way, shape or form. BYU was the
cornerstone of the WAC and continued to be a stronghold in the MWC along with
Utah and 1 or two others. I wish the best for Utah and truly hope they go to
the PAC-12 and create a stir. It will certainly be fun to watch a team from a
mid-major grow with the increased revenue that will come. Hopefully they can
prove the point that I have tried to make all along and that is with more
financial backing and opportunities (annual BCS chances), their recruiting and
program will grow to match those already in these conferences.
Hahahahaha, BYU fans showing their true colors today. Jealousy, bitterness and
hatred. Someone remind me who is classless. Time for
Utah to put it's money where its mouth has been. I'm excited to see if they can
chuckie | 3:02 p.m. June 16, 2010 Dude, hit a nerve?
CONGRATS UTES!!To Yankee Doodle...wake up. It's not a matter of
religion. In addition to athletic achievement, academic research is a big
factor in joining the PAC 10. BYU doesn't come close to UT overall. Put aside
all the other research done at UT and just look at the UofU Medical
Center/School. BYU has nothing. They are not even in the same class nor will
they ever be.
Thanks BusterI saw that artical and thought it was right on. Of
course the Ute fans would never admit it's true. I have a lot of friends in the
PAC 10 living in Seattle and they are all griping and saying "great, 2 more weak
schools to feed. This does nothing except make us 12 schools. Big deal!" Step
outside Utah and the PAC 10 fans think neither schools ads anything.
Bitter and jealous BYU fan, rationalize it all you want but your 30 year old
mythical title check would not cash at the BCS bank. Boing Boing.
Arizona Daily Star "If Colorado is vanilla ice cream, Utah is snow melting on
the sidewalk""Adding Colorado, and possibly Utah, puts the Pac-10 in
a neutral negotiating position with more partners in the split. When Scott goes
to market next year, the TV people at ABC, ESPN and Fox Sports Net next year
will see what they've always seen. Colorado and maybe Utah won't generate more
money."Sounds as if all PAC-12 partners aren't completely happy that
they set out to get Texas and their friends and ended up with Colorado and Utah.
How sure are you about the amount of money you'll make in the PAC? All the
numbers you're spouting are speculation about contracts that haven't even begun
to be negotiated yet. What will you do when USC demands Texas treatment instead
of giving you 1/12 of the revenue? I'm sure you've thought that all out though.
Fame and fortune and everything that goes with it. Many LDS athletes
and coaches, as well as other Christian athletes and coaches at Utah will now
have to decide if they want to participate on the Sabbath, or pursue their
religious convictions elsewhere.
KVC:Give it up. Please don't make us argue over which conference is
the strongest at any given time. Please, turn you negativity to TCU or Boise
State and leave the Utes out of your mindless speculation.Go Utes
For $9 Million more a year I would throw the MWC under the bus in a hurry...
@chuckie-The housing bubble hit AZ right in the gut and we are just
now off the canvass and sitting down. We have yet begun to get to one knee yet.
I thought the same was true in Utah, but I don't live there. Fact
is, the PAC-10 tried to get Texas and lost. Everyone got played by Texas. CO
and UT may not compare to Texas and OU, but if you would have said last year
that the PAC was going to expand to CO and UT most would have thought that was a
good move in terms of getting a conference championship and TV revenue. Like
ESPN said, the PAC-10 swung for the fences but got a single instead. Nothing
wrong with that.Congrats to the Utes and the Buffaloes. On another note, I wonder how UCLA football will do in their first trip to
Boulder. There is no love loss between CU and Rick Neuheisel at UCLA. They may
turn Ralphie loose on slick Rick. I lived there when he left to UW and he did
To all of you the PAC-10 came out and said one of the main reasons they did not
want BYU was they refuse to play on Sunday.
this is the happiest moment of my life!!!
@ b-don't-Oh you want to go the scoreboard route?How
many football or basketball national championships do you have? None? Really?
Doesn't BYU have one? You think your BCS wins prove anything? You
beat inferior teams on your way to undefeated schedules. Let's see you do that
now. You are in for a rude awakening when your Utes have to deal
with the Trojans every year on the football field and the Bruins on the
basketball court.Your delusion is legendary
Looks very good for Utah and not good for BYU...but there is a joker... a
wild card with a wild chance of happening.Suppose the MWC actually
gets an automatic qualifier spot for the the BCS... that is going to be a killer
for the Utes. They'll have left a conference where they have a 50-50 chance at
getting the AQ bid to going to a conference where they'll have less than a 10%
chance of getting a bid.However, they'll be rich. The
only good news for Cougars is now no one can say, "you need to cheer for the
Utes against (put the name of whatever team you want), because a Ute win is good
for the MWC." Now Cougars can enjoy cheering against the Utes in every game (I
TAGZZ my brother-I hate Utah athletics, not the individuals in the
uni's. That is what makes a rivalry fun. Talking trash and seeing your rival
flame. Our rivalry is tame compared to ASU/UA, USC/UCLA, LSU/Alabama (those are
the ones I have seen). Those are ugly. When I was in Denver, they pulled out
tear gas at the CU/CSU game. A cousin played bball for Rick Majerus
and I cheered for him with all my breath, even when he came to the MC. Come on TAGZZ...I am not a people hater.
@Solomon Levi | 3:16 p.m. June 16, 2010 Do you know what you should
be asking yourself? Will Orin Hatch continue his fight against the BCS now that
his State no longer has exposure to the system. Have you thought
about that? Maybe that's where you should put your energy instead of drawing up
'what if' scenarios about Utah's chances of success years into the future. Do you think the State of Utah is in any way obligated to continue its
fight of the BCS on BYU's behalf??An interesting question. What do
you think? You have a lot of opinions...tell this board what you think.
@ MoUte-Are you kidding me? You really believe that? Oh, I am sure
you probably do just like you think Sloan is a better coach than Phil Jackson or
any other NBA coach for that matter.Why would I be jealous when my
favorite college football team has more National Championships than Utah has BCS
First of all, who cares? The MWC is on the upswing, gulp, thanks in part to,
gulp, Utah. The Pac 12 is not. It is actually struggling. MWC has owned it
lately. Money is the biggest advantage Utah will get. But, when
the MWC gets auto-qualifying status next year or so, the money will increase.
Honestly, the rest of the Pac 12 has to be very disappointed with
these recent developments. They set out to get Texas, Oklahoma et al and get
Colorado and Utah. Not so impressive, especially with Colorado being in the
news recently for all the wrong reasons. TV sets won't be staying
on long to catch that highly anticipated Utah vs. Wash St. game. Slightly more
interesting than Utah vs. NM, sure but not much. It is a little
ridiculous to bash BYU. They set the foundation for this for the last 30 years.
The Utes peaked at the right time. BYU will be fine. I wonder how impressive
Utah will look when their basketball team is in the bottom of the Pac 12 and the
football team settles in as a middle of the pack team. The rivalry
will survive. Maybe more heated.
@Buster | 3:37 p.m. June 16, 2010 Buster...there you are. I was
beginning to worry about you. How ya holding up, there?
re:royalblueI think your're wrong about the LDS recruits. Both Utah
and BYU compete for the top LDS athletes in Utah and California mainly because
both schools accomidate LDS missions and that isn't going to change. Obviously
the Y has won the lion share of the best LDS kids in the past but now those same
top LDS athletes get to go on a mission AND play in the PAC 10 and that is the
deal breaker. Yes there are other factors why kids choose BYU but now the John
Becks and the Max Halls and the rest who have a legitimate shot at the NFL are
now going to choose Utah because of the PAC 10 exposure they will get and BYU
can't compete with that. Think for a second - if you have a son who is a blue
chip athlete who also wants to go on a mission are you going to send him to Utah
or BYU now? If the kid has skill to play pro then Utah is the obvious choice.
Danny White chose ASU over BYU for the simple reason ASU was in the PAC 10.
@SpanishImmersed | 3:34 p.m. June 16, 2010 Yeah, and you guys keep
throwing that Sunday thing around like everything the PAC does is on Sunday.
They don't play football and basketball on Sunday that's for the NFL and NBA
(except for the year bb tournament). What it really comes down to
is track and field. Big impact for LDS football players coming to Utah?? I
seriously doubt it.
I'm happy for the U, I really am! That will open it up for BYU to go to the Big
12. I think that would be quite interesting! I think Utah will do well in the
Pac-10 or 12, whatever they call it. The thing is, it's an over-rated Conference
anyway with USC in it. That is all it really has, and a washed up UCLA and has
been schools with the exception of Oregon who never was and now is a "Somewhat".
The Mountain shouldn't cry about it to much in reality. It will all work out
just fine for them.
Why did some idiot steal my screen name? At least you can tell it is different
by the fact his is one word. From the original "Billy Bob" (who also is a Cougar
fan), congrats, Utes. You deserve it, and I think you will fare well in the
PAC-12 (7-3 in the past 10 meetings is a good sign of what is to come). I hope
you are able to win the PAC 12 Championship soon and go on to win the Rose
Bowl... or even the National Championship.
oh, also to the other "billybob", you know BYU would have accepted in a heart
beat if we had been invited. It would have been stupid not to accept the invite.
I hope the rivalry can continue.
Congrats Utah! I have always liked the Utes but never at the expense of my
Cougs. Now I can really root for the Utes and their quality players and coaches
to do well in the Pac-12 while equally rooting for the Cougs to dominate the
MWC. A win over the Utes now becomes even more of a "quality" win than before.
It will be interesting to see if the Utes will follow through with scheduling
the Y every season. The U will have a hard enough time winning their conference
and may want to schedule a soft non-conference schedule at first.Go
Cougs!! And Go Utes!! Now is the time to make some noise with USC on probation.
@STXB | 3:46 p.m. June 16, 2010 You guys are just hilarious. Do you
really think that in the face of all these realignments the BCS landscape won't
change as well? Why on earth would the BCS carry on business as usual when the
College Football has changed? Do you REALLY think, they are going to say..."oh,
the MWC has BYU so the MWC now qualifies automatically? How do you
people function in the real world thinking like that?
Buzz... I do believe that Utah has a National Championship in Basketball in 1944
that was lead by a point gaurd that was the first Asian Basketball Player ever
drafted to play professional basketball... Does BYU have one of those? No... And
if you say well that was forever ago... So was the National Championship that
BYU won in football!!
Capt. Smash,Thanks for making my point. Not inviting BYU has nothing
to do with sports and everything to do with religion. I will give the UTES the
academic research edge, because honestly this is not BYU's focus, religion is.
The University Presidents in the PAC-10 just can't seem to get this issue behind
them, only to their detriment.
NC game within 5 years - mark it down!!!
@Buzz | 3:44 p.m. June 16, 2010 Why are you on this board saying
anything other than..."congratulation Utes." Hmmmmmm....??
TAGZZ-Come on down to AZ. I go to church with a bunch of AZ cowboys and
contractors. We are a fun bunch who are all believers. We camp, water ski, and
ride at the dunes. I would give the shirt of my back to anyone who
needed it and so would all the guys I go to church with. If I saw a U flag on
your car, I would change your flat tire and get you on your way.If
we were neighbors, I would love to give you a hard time about the U and would
expect nothing less from you. Church has nothing to do with sports and God is
not a fan.
Funny patriot but didn't Max Hall leave ASU for BYU?And as for your
assessment of where I want my blue chip LDS son to play football. No where but
BYU. I care about the man my son is to become, not how great an NFL
star he will be. I don't care where he will be drafted in the NFL if he is able
to make that jump. I care about what kind of a father he will become. BYU is the obvious choice for me
@RockOn | 3:43 p.m. June 16, 2010 "Suppose the MWC actually gets an
automatic qualifier spot for the the BCS... that is going to be a killer for the
Utes."Here's a scenario for you...suppose the BCS decides that with
UTAH gone and BSU in, the MWC is status quo and elects not to give the
conference an automatic bid.There's a scenario for you to noodle
Buzz, You keep talking about The Utah Jazz... Are you sure you are in the right
comment board? You are pretty annoying honestly!!
RE: BuzzApparently you're unaware that Utah has a national
championship in basketball. Just a tip, arguments are usually more powerful if
they are well researched instead of spouted off on a whim. In addition, basic
math teaches us that 2 > 1, so your argument stating your favorite team has more
national championships than Utah does BCS bowl appearances is also incorrect.
Come on, man. Step up. You have zero credibility right now. At least other BYU
fans make half decent arguments.
Just don't forget, while everyone is talking about just football, there's more
to competing in the PAC 10 than football...And while I look forward to
watching the UTES come to AZ to play, I worry a little that every PAC 10 team
will get up to play them to try to put them in their place as the new kid on the
block.And that's not saying the UTES can't handle it, I'm just saying it's
gonna be a rough ride that first year or two.Not to mention baseball,
where the PAC 10 dominates.
So let me get this straight. Utah will now get between 15-19 million per year
just for being a member of the Pac 10, plus the obvious extras that the
conference will get during bowl season where at least one of its schools is
guaranteed every year to play in a BCS bowl, and where even the mediocre teams
play in fun bowls that actually pay out good money. BYU,
on the other hand, will continue to get 1.2 million per year (soon to be less
with the departure of Utah) from the MWC. If BYU goes to any bowl, it will be
Vegas bowl where the teams actually loses money because the payout is so low.
BYU can great season after great season, in terms of wins, but it is never
guaranteed to appear in a BCS bowl. The frank truth is that there isn’t a
chance of BYU ever appearing in a BCS bowl.
This is TOO FUNNY. You bitter BYU fans are acting like the Hot girl both BYU
and Utah were chasing is all of a sudden ugly and unattractive but you know in
your heart of hearts this is eating away at your insides.
Congrats. A sad day for me though, since it sounds like the Big 12 is staying
put at 10 : ( no BYUIn the immediate future, we'll see how it
affects the rivalry. Clear money advantage for the U now, but I am not convinced
they will dominate on the field. Time will tell.
Congrats to Utah in the new Pac-12. Hope you do well except when playing BYU.
Buzz | 3:56 p.m. June 16, 2010"I care about the man my son is to become,
not how great an NFL star he will be. I don't care where he will be drafted in
the NFL if he is able to make that jump. I care about what kind of a father he
will become. BYU is the obvious choice for me"Thomas S Monson, UteGordon B Hinckley, UteGee Buzz, the
current Prophet and the last ones were Utes. They seems to turn out ok to me.
Have fun with the "big boys" little boy.Oh, and we all know why BYU
was snubbed - don't we.You are nothing more than a "left-over", but
don't hold it against your new boss.But that's ok little boy - have
a good time in the root cellar. Will probably visit with you again in Vegas -
that is if you can make it up to 5th place.
Casper, it doesn't matter if the MWC get an AQ. The PAC still offers more
money, better recruiting, greater national exposure and is no longer in a cruddy
conference with TDS. It's all good! Just enjoy.
Utah’s much enhanced national and regional television exposure, plus the
prestige of the Pac 10, will essentially guarantee it will win all recruiting
battles with BYU. Those kids will objectively examine the situation and think to
themselves:“I can play for Utah where NFL scouts
will be able to actually see me play on NBC and ESPN every week, or I can play
for BYU where NFL scouts can only see me if they subscribe to the MTN and if
they can actually stand to watch the wobbly, grainy broadcast. “I can play for Utah where, if we work hard, we have a shot every
year of playing for the national championship or in a BCS bowl. Or, I can play
for BYU where, if we work hard, we can play for the MWC championship every year
and go to the Vegas Bowl or the Armed Forces Bowl".
Yes! More National coverage maybe, more likley it will be more west coast
coverage. However, getting to the big dance is one thing returning year in and
year out is a much bigger task.Utah will need to break out big with
impressive conferance wins to take the PAC Lime Light away from USC and company.
Utah will rise to the challenge or fade out very quickly.Good Luck
As far as the comments about Utah continually being 4th or 5th in the
conference? Give me a break. They will probably be in the Pac 12 South with
Arizona ASU Colorado UCLA and USC. The move isn't gonna be made until probably
2012, but if it were to happen this year, realistically here is how Utah would
fare in the South.UCLA - WUSC - W (At least for the next 5 or
6 years)Arizona - W Arizona St. - WColorado - WThrow in a few more games against UW Washington st. Oregon st. or even Oregon
and they could realistically finish the season with 1 or 2 Conference losses and
playing Oregon in the Pac 12 championship for a spot in the rose bowl.BYU, meanwhile, will be fighting their tales off for 2nd place in the MWC with
TCU and the addition of BSU. Especially after Utah starts taking a lot of their
recruits. It's time to face the reality Coug fans. And a LOT of 3rd place
finishes behind Boise and TCU.
GO UTAH!!! Red is the color of Utah today. Sorry Blue! Work hard and maybe
someday you to can go to the PAC 10. Good luck Utah!
So disappointed in my conference right now. Let's recap the results of the
conference expansion craziness:Big Ten adds NebraskaBig-12 adds more
moneyPac-10 adds Colorado (lost scholarships for poor APR) and Utah
(non-AQ team)Really Pac-10? This is supposed to make our conference
@Buzz from JJJHS.ZING!Too funny that Ute Prophet
comment. Just goes to show you that God could care less where you learn.
Just that you learn something.Have you learned anything Buzz?LOL!Go UTES!
This is SO much fun! It's like Christmas has come in June. TDS fans, take the
high road and be happy for Utah. Today is a happy happy day. I'm so glad that
we're no longer in the cruddy MWC (no offense TDS fans). It's just wonderful to
be in an AQ conference! Now that Utah is in the PAC, I really hope the MWC
doesn't get a BCS bid. I agree with all the other great conferences: The MWC is
sub-par and shouldn't get one. Heck, they even have a school with BLUE turf.
Now that's funny. Be happy TDS, non AQ fans.
@Buzz | 3:56 p.m. June 16, 2010I care about my son...he's a great
kid and on a path to accomplish much in life including being a worthy husband
and father.He want to attend the University of Utah and major in
microbiology. I believe the U will meet both his secular and spiritual needs
and goals. I have no problem sending him there to learn and to grow.Did you know that U has the largest institute in the entire world? Did you
Buster | 1:27 p.m. June 16, 2010 Why tommorrow?Is there a
board of regents meeting tommorrow, like Big Ben sais on another board?Nope, it's been really bugging me why the invite has taken so long. ---------------Give it up already! The fat lady has song... and I
am not even talking about your w.
The idea that BYU will dry up and blow away because Utah goes to the PAC12 is a
bit overstated. BYU competed nicely on the national scene for decades when the
recruiting pool in Utah was much smaller. It had a difficult couple
of years making the transition after Edwards but is back and building. BYU may
have to be more aggressive in getting out of state recruits. There
are at least 10% of the Protestant and Catholic athletes (thousands) who have no
problem with the honor code. BYU has not spent the time nor the money to go
after them. Now they will have to recruit nationally to get the quality they
need. They will have to develop contacts and relationships with more
schools and get out of thier comfort zone. They were not even aware
of the kid from AL. He contacted them and may be the fasted player on the team.
There are more out there like him. They will come if BYU continues
to win and is ranked. If 2 undefeated seasons and BCS bowls for Utah
did not give them an edge in recruiting, joining the PAC12 is not going to do it
@PAC Member | 4:17 p.m. June 16, 2010 You're right...please know
that I am totally stoked up for our Utes. I need to stop arguing with these BYU
UtahUtes1 | 3:46 p.m. June 16, 2010 @Buster | 3:37 p.m. June 16, 2010 "Buster...there you are. I was beginning to worry about you. How ya
holding up, there?"If you have read any of my posts, I hope you
remember that I am a BYU fan first, and Utah fan second. I have relatives and
friends that have played for both schools and try to get to LES and RES as often
as I can.My only peeve is the hyped up Utah fan (anti-zoob) that has
no sense of reality (ie Chris B, Naval Vet, Hedgehog).This is good
for both schools. BYU still has a future in college athletics, the MWC is
probably as strong if not stonger in football this week compared to last, and
the PAC-12 is about at status quo in football, but now they have a championship
to offer to the networks.I am still interested to find out if Utah
and Colorado get an even 1/12th split, and what type of TV deal the PAC-12
gets.If the MWC gets AQ status, or the BCS gets busted up, then this
is really a non-issue.
@UCLAcougar | 4:29 p.m. June 16, 2010 I believe YOUR conference is
the MWC which just got both smaller and weaker.
I really hope Utah goes to the PAC 10 before Boise St. joins the MWC. That blue
turf is an embarrassment. It would truly be embarrassed to have to play with a
member of the conference with blue turf. The MWC needs to grow up and not allow
Boise St.'s blue turf. Way to go Utah for getting out of a goofy conference
with blue turf teams!
Welcome to our world. Now, I hope you enjoy looking up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great news for Utah!I'm so exited I won't have to watch games on the
Mountain ever again!I think the Mountain got all of the rejects who
couldn't make it on the local evening news. Their cameramen also seem to be
consistently 3 seconds behind the football.
@UTAH MAN AM I-I don't know why you assumed that I am a BYU fan. I
am from SoCal. I am an SC and UCLA fan. Been since I was born.USC
has more National Championships in the past 6 years than Utah has BCS
appearances.Oh, and I am sorry that I asked a question as to whether
Utah has a NC in BBall. I don't really consider it a big deal winning during a
time when few of us minorities were allowed to play.BTW, UCLA has
more BBall National Championships than the number of years Utah was in the
MWC.How you like them apples?
@JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt-You're kidding right? You think those
men would want their grandchildren picking the U over the Y now?Those men lived in SLC. They lived during the depression. There were no buses
to get them down to BYU. They went the least expensive route plus the church
still had a strong hold on the University in that era. BYU wasn't even a
university then.I could go on and on with the reasons they went
there.Very ridiculous argument.
Shucks, I can't understand why TDS fans are down in the mouth over Utah's great
news going to the PAC. If I were a TDS fan, I would think that my big stadium
and my 26 year old NC would have gotten us in the PAC 10 or Big XII, but I guess
not. I guess Utah's program, BCS bowl victories means more that all that other
@TAGZZ-I recognize your name. You are one of the Spazz fans that
spew out their delusion during the NBA season.I am merely pointing
out that I now see that your delusion does not end with the Jazz. Utah and
Cougar fans are alike. You are both delusional and have no idea how to look at a
sports situation with level-headed eyes.It's obvious to me why the U
was chosen and it is not because of program superiority.BYU built
the foundation of Utah college football. They are the more prestigious team.
They actually won a NC in an era that is respected. I was actually alive when it
happened.I personally don't care what BYU has though. I am comparing
Utah to my favorite College programs. SC and UCLA.BTW, How you like
my Lakers now. Thursday you will be crying on your pillow as my Lakers do
exactly what you said they would not. Win again!
"NC game within 5 years - mark it down!!!"Please don't bet the rent
money on it.I hate to see anybody homeless, even a BYU hater like
you, Chris B.
BYU gets passed because they won't play on Sunday, Utah will. Good
luck to Utah, congrats to BYU for sticking to your principles.
BYU and Oregon both beat Utah last year right? No need for BYU fans to drive off
a cliff any time soon. The MWC will still have 3 top 25 teams right? And who's
to say in the future if the Big 10 doesn't go to the Big 12? The Utes going
isn't the end all of the realignment process, good grief.
Wow!!!BYU gets a break now.Removal of Utah means 1 out of 3
road blocks on BYU's path to BCS. Now it's up to BSU and TCU starting 2011
@BugoffNow they [BYU] will have to recruit nationally to get the quality
they need. -----------And please do tell us what has
stopped BYU from recruiting nationally. Have they been waiting for Utah to be
invited to the PAC-12?They've gone down hill after 1984, now thier
the 3rd best team in the MWC.
@PAC Member, are U?...If I were a TDS fan, I would think that my big stadium and
my 26 year old NC would have gotten us in the PAC 10 or Big XII...I
guess no one else in this nation (except in Provo) even thinks that the 1984
so-called NC is legit.
@MUSSDad-I never said that the U was not a good school. It's a great
school in general. Your son made a good choice.Your son is not an
athlete. Do you know the kind of influences that college athletes are exposed
to? You have no idea what is thrown in front of them.Plus the
religious education and the moral values that are all around him at BYU is far
superior to any school on the planet not just versus the U.And I am
sure that a solid, spiritual person would do just fine at the U. In fact, if my
son does not go to BYU I want him to go to Utah. But please let's not kid
ourselves with which school is preferable when we are looking solely on a
Uteology | 4:34 p.m. Seriously dude. You call my wife fat?Probably the most classless thing you have ever posted. BTW, she
graduated from the U, after getting her associates at Dixie, where she was a
Rebelette. She is in fine form, so if we can leave her out of it.Here, you have a great day for Utah, and you shine your classlessness for all
of you Utah buddies to see.
A perrenial loser (Utah) saw a way to get out from under the oppresive
hand of big brother (BYU), and they took it.
Been a fun thread dudes. My report is done on my other screen, so I
am out and back to the grind. Later----Once again, congrats to the
Utes on a move to the PAC-10. Love the conference in all sports and root for a
PAC-10 team over all comers except for BYU.I am resigned that Utah
will fall into that 'cheering for all PAC-10 schools' category at some point in
the future, but I won't rush it. That is what I am telling my neighbor who is
UU fan and good friend.
I hope Utah will get even better --chance to play in PAC-12 conf. will help Utah
in recruiting.And one day, I want to be in the Rose bowl wearing my Utah
sweat shirt and watching my Utah team playing Michigan for NC --say 2014
season.Wow!!! What a thrill that will be!!!Go Utes!!!
want to add...One day, I will be in the Rose bowl wearing my Utah sweat
shirt and watching my Utah team playing 12-0 Michigan (and not 6-5) for NC.Wow!!! What a thrill that will be!!!
Buster | 4:37 p.m. June 16, 2010 UtahUtes1 | 3:46 p.m. June 16, 2010 @Buster | 3:37 p.m. June 16, 2010 "Buster...there you are. I was
beginning to worry about you. How ya holding up, there?"My only
peeve is the hyped up Utah fan (anti-zoob) that has no sense of reality (ie
Chris B, Naval Vet, Hedgehog).Sorry, I left out Uteology.
Blue Chip LDS recruits1. Utah is joining the most religiously
bigoted, anti-Mormon conference in the country.2. Many fans outside
of Utah see very little distinction between BYU and Utah as far as LDS
influence. Both schools are in Utah and both schools have a majority of LDS
students.Utah athletes may soon find themselves the targets of the
same types of anti-LDS demonstrations at California, Stanford, and other PAC 12
schools as BYU faced at San Diego State, only much, much worse.Put
those two factors together and Utah may find that being a member of the PAC 12
actually hurts them when recruiting some LDS athletes.If they're
going to be the targets of anti-LDS taunts anyway, wouldn't they rather do so
while playing for a school and fan base that shares their values?
Attention zoobies — Consider the BCS money we have earned over the years
as a tip for letting us beat up on the over-hyped mediocre team that you are.Way to make lemonade out of lemons… I love your positive attitude.
I am going to miss watching the all zoob-cast making excuses on the MTN —
I might turn it on a few times just to remember what makes a zoobie as true
zoob… Like using the word “kudos” every other sentence. I am going to miss Graham Watson’s dismissive posts and not having
our own conference blog on ESPN. Hey… I invite all zoobs to
root for both teams. Come with us to the big time!I hear WAC is
looking for someone. Maybe you could go back there, put on the baby blues and be
a champion again. Please keep crying over early BCS and cream-puff wins —
We enjoy the banter… Leave the big games to us so there will
be as little embarrassment as possible… I am looking to
upgrade my iphone… Is it too early to call Max Hall?
Kewgar fans, don't be so sad.With Utah gone, BYU will have a better
chance of making BCS. And then BYU will apply for Big-12 to get into that
conference.See, everything has a silver lining...Keep
the Quest alive!!!
What a great and historic day for sports in the State of Utah! In my mind, this
ranks right up there with the Jazz and the Olympics coming to Utah! As a state
we have reached a new milestone.A Utah Man am I!!!
Thanks for the congratulations from many great BYU fans today. I hope BYU is
not far behind in a getting an invite to an AQ conference. I hate to see us
part ways.Long live the great rivalry.
--"MUSSing with U | 4:51 p.m. June 16, 2010 "NC game within 5 years - mark
it down!!!"Please don't bet the rent money on it.I hate
to see anybody homeless, even a BYU hater like you, Chris B."--Class Ute fans.Take Chris B and the rest with you please...
Congrats to the U! Big recruiting selling point, playing in the Pac-10. Let's
load up for 2011 and 2012 for the higher competition, and also keep a few
rivalries going if possible with the MWC. Go UTES!
"Apparently you're unaware that Utah has a national championship in
basketball."Utah won the 2nd rate tournament of the day in a very
watered-down field while the rest of the country was off fighting a world
war.It wasn't even close to a national championship.
to royalblue,You can't be serious! If you are, it is no wonder
nobody wants BYU!
If BYU plays Wyoming in LES on Saturday, while Utah hosts Oregon/USC/any Pac-12
member on the same does, does the BYU game make any noise at all?
AFter all the comments and hoopla ... the dust settles and the U of U is now in
the BIG TIME. They earned their way with the BCS wins. Utah Football has been a
shooting star for a decade now and this promotion will make them legit. Let's be
honest folks, the MWC is a little pond begging for respect and the U doesn't
have to float around in that little pond any more. The U is now really "MAJOR"
in major college athletics. Also the university will rise perception wise nation
wide because of this which will only help graduates.
Buzz: you're just digging your own grave on this "I wouldn't want my kid to
attend the U" rant. Not just Hinckley and Monson, but numerous apostles and
70's, are Utah alums, and quite proud of it. Did you not see the
articles a few years back about how Elder Wirthlin went on a couple road trips
with the Utes? And how the team wore "JBW" stickers on their helmets in the
Sugar Bowl?Do you not understand the value that comes from
associating with people who are NOT exactly like you? I have raised my children
to draw value from people's differences, and to impart their own strengths on
others, rather than be influenced by every whim or fad that passes by.As a Utah graduate AND a staunch church member, I am THRILLED that my children
attend THE University of Utah.
Re: Cougars --Best Little BrothersTrue. TDS fans should be very
excited. You get to remain in a Non AQ conference with a team that has blue
turf and will role you every time you play one another. It's all good. You do
have that big stadium and 26 year old NC, too. Those have got you a long way
haven't they? You should remind the Big XII about your big stadium and old NC.
Yo mr. ideas-You are the type of fan that I cannot wait to beat up
on.Sure you have had your way the past few years riding the wave of
the best college coach in the land (Not KW)but get ready for your rude
awakening.You go ahead and rip the Boys in Blue. I am an SoCal
transplant to the Utah Valley and I like both BYU and Utah but my heart is still
in SoCal.Enjoy the money you will be making because that is all the
good that will come to your program with this move. We added you for the market
exposure and so that we could have another bottom dwelling team that the big
boys can beat up.Let me guess.. you are a delusional Spazz fan too
aren't you. Go Lakers!!!
BYU will rue the day the let Boise into the MWC. With the Utes taking the cream
of the crop of instate recruits - looke for the pecking order to look likeTCUBoiseAirforceBYUForget about a BCS bowl
and don't expect a Vegas bowl invite ever again.
Jealous U: "Apparently you're unaware that Utah has a national championship in
basketball."Utah won the 2nd rate tournament of the day in a very
watered-down field while the rest of the country was off fighting a world
war.It wasn't even close to a national championship. --------------Hmmm - replace a few words and you get a 1984-ish
scenario: BYU won a second rate bowl against a watered-down opponent... It
wasn't even close to a national championship.Bitter much?
As Dick Nixon said,"You won't have the Utes to kick around any
I think this may be the beginning of the end for BYU sports. There’s just
no way it can compete in the recruiting war when another school in the same
media market is a member of a BCS elite conference. Wanna make a bet with me? I
bet that within the next 5-7 years, after BYU is again shut out of the Big 12
expansion, after its losses to Utah mount in terms of record and the recruiting
battles, and after a few more seasons of the Vegas Bowl while Utah goes to a
couple of BCS bowls, possibly the Rose Bowl and a few Holiday Bowls, after
frustrated fans drop their support and interest in watching BYU compete at the
lowest levels of college sports, BYU will finally choose to discontinue it NCAA
sports programs. The stadium can still be used for the 4th of July celebration
and local high school football playoffs. Within the next decade, probably the
only sports found at BYU will be intramural sports.
Not to rain on anyones parade, but lets be realistic. Utah is much closer to the
likes of Washington State, Oregon State, Arizona, and Arizona State. They are
far from USC, UCLA, Stanford, Washington and even Oregon both academically and
athletically. My logical mind tells me Utah will end up as a bottom-feeder in
most categories in the PAC-10.
@I Will Be Till I Die-Since I am a convert to the church and lived
in SoCal for 35 plus years I think I see the value of associating with people
who are NOT exactly like me.Like getting jumped by 5 guys because I
looked like one of their enemies. Or having drugs pushed on me when I was 8
years old. I don't need my children to have their foot on the other
side to learn experience. I can teach them to draw value from people's
differences just fine on this side.I never said that Utah was a
horrible place to go. It is the second choice for all of my kids. But I want
them at BYU and that's because I have been on the other side and I want my kids
as far away from it as possible.It is the absolute best choice for
my kids as they build the spiritual foundation that they will need for these
Congrats to the UTES! As a graduate of the U and the law school I am a die-hard
Utah fan. This is a great day for the University and a great day for the state
of Utah.I appreciate the well wishes from the BYU fans who have the class
to recognize what this means to the University of Utah.However, as usual,
I am ashamed, though not surprised at the total lack of class from both BYU and
Utah fans who repeatedly come to these boards to spew their silliness.Way
to go UTAH!...I'm buying my tickets for the Rose Bowl (despite what the tactless
naysayers have to say).
@Utah = BYU's Big Brothers:"I guess no one else in this nation
(except in Provo) even thinks that the 1984 so-called NC is legit."Correct! TDS didn't beat a single AP top 25 team that year. TDS fans will
say they did. But, when the season was over, no top 25 AP teams did TDS play /
beat.Utah has done what TDS has never done, beat 4 top AP teams at
season's end and won two BCS bowls.Now go and celebrate, friend!
Congratulations Utah! As a BYU fan, it will be interesting to see who plays in
more BCS games this coming decade with Utah in Pac-12 and BYU in MWC?
Apparently BYU fans think that traditions get you into conferences... not
succeeding in the present.... sure you beat us this year, but who has won 2 BCS
bowl games in the past ten years? that would be the Utes.... who has one of the
best medical schools in the world? the UofU.. so BYU stop crying... no one wants
to hear it, your just making yourself and school sound pathetic... have fun
playing in the MWC... maybe you can still play in the Las Vegas bowl for the
fourth year straight
The MWC should seriously consider adding Hawaii to replace UTAH. Hawaii is the
only other BCS busting team. That would give the MWC TCU, Boise State and
Hawaii...all 3 BCS busters. Granted, it doesn't make up for losing Utah, but it
probably would improve the conference.
TDS fans - The truth hurts. And the truth is that the PAC sees Utah as the
better program. You can argue that but at the end of the day, it's Utah going
to the PAC and not you. That fact you can't argue.For the time
being, you'll need to enjoy Boise State's blue turf. You'll be right at home on
Congrats Utah and good luck in the Pac 12.Just remember that being
part of a "big time" conference doesn't guarantee the Utes anything...except a bigger paycheck.It doesn't guarantee respect.It
doesn't guarantee better recruits.It doesn't guarantee national
rankings.It doesn't guarantee BCS games.It doesn't guarantee
national championships.andIt doesn't even guarantee that Utah will
have more national respect, than BYU.How much national respect does
Duke or Kentucky or Indiana or Kansas or Arizona have in
football?Utah's football program will now have to earn all of those
things or the Utes will be no different than all of the other also rans in the
"big time" conferences.
@I Will Be Till I Die | 5:18 p.m. June 16, 2010 Well said.Buzz, your comment personifies everything that is wrong at BYU. That is, if
you are like us, we will accept you. If you are not like us we will change you.
If we can't change you...depart from our presence.That attitude is
both sad and pathetic but it is a fact of life at BYU. I have to wonder what
Christ would think that kind of an attitude. I am very LDS and I
have to tell ya, Buzz...there are long haired football players at Utah that I
would much rather have at my dinner table than Max Hall. Attending BYU is no
guarantee of the type of character you depict in your post.Congratulations Utah...well deserved!!
WOW - Attended both U & Y - two good, but very different universities.This is great for Utah, but not great for the Y.Sports will never be the
same again in Utah.BYU will not be invited to join any other major
conference. It may not be openly stated, but their being a Mormon school
precludes such a move.It's unclear if the rivalry game will continue in
football. Despite all the many predictions on this post, I doubt that
anyone can accurately see the future over time. Utah going to the PAC 12
is a game changer.
To all you uppity Utes that think research has anything to do with it you are
smoking your lunch! There is no such thing going on at Wa State, Or State or
ASU. The same goes for Texas Tech and Ok State that the PAC was trying so hard
to get. That's nothing more than a smoke screen that's politically acceptable.
All about football and nothing to do with the other athletic programs. Nothing
to do with history or loyalty. It's redundant but it's all about the MONEY.Case in point ...Overall Ranking of Athletic Progams: PAC 10
[former]: 7 teams in top 25 (ASU, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Cal, Oregon,
Arizona)MWC: 1(byu - with TCU as "best of rest")Utah!!!!!Congratulations to the Utah football program. I wish you
To all you Ute fans, I hope you enjoy the view from the bottom of the pile cause
that's where your going to be!
@scott | 5:45 p.m. June 16, 2010Just remember that being part of a "big
time" conference doesn't guarantee the Utes anything...except a
bigger paycheck.---------------------That is 100% true.
Just look what BYU has done in the MWC after dominating the WA:It doesn't guarantee respect: 1984, Heisman, Doak, blah, blah, but still not
wanted.It doesn't guarantee better recruits: one player
drafted in 2009 (Utah 6)It doesn't guarantee national
rankings: Never ranked higher then #12 with all those 10+ wins.It doesn't guarantee BCS games: **scratching head**... hmm ... Quest
t-shirts are 3 years old.It doesn't guarantee national
championships: 1984 to airport celebrations for 1-0 team
BYU fans just got a taste of what it's like to be a Utah State fan...and they
don't like it.I can't blame them. This has got to be a bitter pill
@Wa. Coug | 5:51 p.m. June 16, 2010 I suppose I'm an "uppity Ute"
so...has it occurred to you that bringing in Utah and Colorado just might be the
start of an overarching strategy to ensure the PAC is comprised of research
institutions?? Do you know what the long term strategy is for the PAC? Of
course you don't. You are looking only at the here and now....btw,
I think you need to look closer at OK State and ASU. I'm not sure about Texas
Tech.At any rate, the debate is over. @Wes | 5:50
p.m. June 16, 2010 Well said. Your experiences bring logic and
perspective to this forum. It's sad that others don't try a little harder.
Wa. Coug | 5:51 p.m. June 16, 2010That's nothing more than a smoke screen
that's politically acceptable.------------I guess
the institution that runs BYU starts accepting people for who they are (Prop 8)
then the liberals in the PAC-12 will accept who you are.
williary | 5:17 p.m. June 16, 2010 "If BYU plays Wyoming in LES on
Saturday, while Utah hosts Oregon/USC/any Pac-12 member on the same does, does
the BYU game make any noise at all?"Williary, a play on the names of
the Clintons. Clever, just like your post.There are BYU fans, such
as myself, that will be at LES, regardless of the PAC-12 affiliation.There are Utah fans, such as myself, that will be at RES, regardless of the
PAC-12 affiliation.There will be BYU and Utah players in both
stadiums, regardless of any PAC-12 affiliation.Utah will be better
off in some regards, and not so well off in others.What about the
Utah fans who go to games to prove they hate BYU, and the mormons in the state,
and use the U to protest everyting mormon (everyone who has been to a BYU-Utah
games knows exactly who I am talking about). Will they still be part of the
fanbase? Maybe, but Maybe not. NavalVet lives in Philly, will he still find the
U as an outlet for his anti-zoobness?Without BYU, what sound will
Way to go Utah! A class institution who deserves the move up and forward, both
academically and in sports. Congratulations especially to the womens gymnastics
program that has been the class of the nation for decades with 10 national
titles and ZERO help from the MWC.To all the classy BYU fans, thanks
for all your support and good wishes. It has been a GREAT rivalry.To
all the sour-grapers and whiners, have fun beating up on the New Mexicos and
Wyomings. Maybe you can find someone from Boise State to allegedly pour beer on
the head of the wife of your quarterback!!
Love it zoobs, remember when we wouldn't make it to the BCS first? Remember
when we wouldn't survive after Urban Meyer? Remember when Alabama was going to
throttle us in the Sugar Bowl? Now we're never going to be top of the PAC.
Here's to doing everything the zoobs say we can't do!!! GO UTES!!!
Can't wait for the final MWC Utah-BYU game at RES! It will be so much fun
watching Wynn get revenge! And we will add to our already large win percentage
over BYU. The class of the mountains moves onward and upward!!
Buster | 6:10 p.m. June 16, 2010 williary | 5:17 p.m. June 16, 2010 "If BYU plays Wyoming in LES on Saturday, while Utah hosts Oregon/USC/any
Pac-12 member on the same does, does the BYU game make any noise at all?"...My point is up until now the BYU Utah connection has fueled both
Universities for a long time. Many fans of Utah are anti-zoob, and many fans of
BYU dislike the U.Without being joined at the hip, we will have to
see how things play out.But there are many BYU and Utah fans that
are fans regardless of the other school, or conference affiliation.And it is a long time until 2012, plenty of things could change on the college
football landscape.The U deserves to be where they are. Let's just
leave it at that. It does not mean that LES will be empty from now on.BTW, does anyone have any idea how many Utah road games will be broadcast now
in Utah. Really, how will this affect my ability to watch them play on TV?
Jealous? Yes.Would BYU take the bid if offered? Yes. They would be
foolish not to and the Utes can't be villified for doing the smart thing.Extra ticked that the Big 12 won't ever come calling for BYU? Yes.Think that the Utes will chicken out and cancel the rivalry game because
they need a softer out of conference schedule and are afraid of the hit they
will take by losing to BYU? Yes.Happy that I can now root against
Utah and it WILL BE good for the MWC? Yes...every week.Happy that
Utah just became the "Minnesota of the West" or perhaps the "Mississippi State
of the West?" Yes.
I'm a longtime die-hard Cougar. Aside from 8 college years in Provo (in the
1980's), I've never lived in Utah. I played highschool football, but couldn't
play college ball, I was too slow. I've attended countless BYU-UofU B-ball and
football games, even after leaving Utah.With bias/background
revealed, I say: CONGRATS to the U -- and, if I'm not mistaken, the vast
majority of pro-BYU bloggers here have likewise been congratulatory. The U
deserves it. No jealousy here. I hope that the U goes about kicking tail all up
and down the PAC roster. Aside from BYU handing Oklahoma its helmet at Texas
Stadium last year, I think I enjoyed the U's dismantling of Alabama more than
any football moment in past few years.Lone regret: The likely end of
a century-old rivalry.BYU's recruiting versus the U won't suffer.
LDS kids(and parents) wanting to serve missions also won't play ball on Sundays.
And BYU recruits will actually get to play; PAC recruits ride the bench
more.There's more to a University than athletics. "Enter to LEARN,
go forth to serve."
"PhillyUte | 6:13 p.m. June 16, 2010 Love it zoobs"Wow,
NavalVet. Remember when you jumped all over Giantfan for changing screen
names?"VegasUte | 6:14 p.m. June 16, 2010 Way to go Utah! A
class institution who deserves the move up and forward, both academically and in
sports. Congratulations especially to the womens gymnastics program that has
been the class of the nation for decades with 10 national titles and ZERO help
from the MWC."Classy shoutout, but remember the women's tennis team.
They won the MWC title this year.And Yes, Utah is academically
strong, but they need to pick up the pace in their other sports. Only one MWC
chamionship this year... CSU had 2, BYU had 9.See the big picture
bro, and remember, Utah does have their work cut out for them. ...and the Utes Women's Gymnastic team has been the class of the nation for a
very long time...
Just a reminder, Uteology,Current string of national rankingsBYU 4Utah 2All-time national rankingsBYU
17 (over 50% for the last 33 years)Utah 6 (over 50% for the last 7
years)Congratulations. Utah's finally done over the last 7 years
what BYU has been doing for the last third of a century, consistently finishing
in over 50% of the rankings over at least a 5 year period.Even after
Utah's first BCS busting season, in 2004, Utah still couldn't maintain any
consistency, losing to every team in the MWC at least once and not returning to
the national rankings again until 2008.
Maybe it was that whole cold fusion thing that got Utah in the PAC 12. Utah
fans, please realize you are merely a pawn in getting enough teams to play a
conference championship game. Colorado and Utah??? C'mon, with all due respect
to the U the PAC as a whole just got weaker. And to be honest, I think the MWC
improves with Boise over Utah. If the Texas teams would have bolted
the Big 12, Utah would have never gotten in....they had to get the 12th team
somewhere. (Yes they would have taken Kansas over U at the Texas teams' urging.
True, BYU didn't get invited and U did so good for you, but you just ruined
your chances at more BCS games. Mark my words you won't fare any better than
ASU and Arizona. How many times in 35 years have either of them won the
It is funny that UTE Fans think we are jealous. Why would we be? It is what it
is and that's not going to change anything. BYU will still play football. I have
always maintained that BYU has always had the second tier players because of
their honor code, and that's what makes BYU special. Winning consistently
through adversity. If we could get top recruits, we would have won other
championships. This is a religous school and the honor code will always be the
standard, not a championship and that's the price we pay. We don't change our
standards to the world like all others do. I am thankful I only have to think
about one game with Utah and not 11 games to stay ahead of them. Good luck and I
hope you do well. I am sure you will fit in well with the PAC-12. Now maybe I
can find a reason to cheer for you.
I think TDS should be really excited for Utah! If I were a fan of the TDS I
would be excited for Utah. I'm pretty sure that Utah will beat TDS
this year. That way Utah will leave the conference on a high note. After that
game, I hope TDS just blows away. "Good riddance to bad rubbish," I say. Utah
has moved on. Good luck against those smurf turfs. Maybe TDS should change
their field to blue?
BYU only chance at being in a BCS conference is hoping the MWC gets a shot.The Big 12 will never ever be calling.Sorry.
This whole thing is really strange. It would seem as though overnight my
thoughts regarding the MWC deserving a BCS AQ bid have vanished. I can't
explain why, but I believe without Utah, the conference is too weak to deserve
it's own BCS birth. Even with the Smurfs now in your conference, it's still
just too weak.
Oxi-Moroni,You're crazy if you think the U will all of the sudden
get this bonanza of recruits just because of the conference. You will still be
recruiting the same kids and competing against the same schools you do now. How
many kids choose the school based on the schedule? They look at the whole
package.BYU will continue to get the same recruits they have always
got. Their recruiting will continue to improve just like it has over the past
several years based on their own success. The utes have had a successfull
program for what, 6 years now? Before Meyer you were not relevant to anyone.
What makes you think all of the sudden those SoCal kids will choose you over
USC, Stanford, UCLA, Cal? I'll tell you...they won't.
All you Ute fans that think you have this great football program, take a look
back over the past 30 years and see how many conference championships you have.
About 4! Big deal, 2 BCS bowl wins, 2 good years does not make a power. Try
doing it for a few more years. Maybe even win back to back championships in the
MWC. You've never done it.Oh, and by the way, do you have any idea
how many NC BYU has won in other sports? Take a look at wikipedia and see. Utah
as a whole sports package is weaker then weak....2 measly years of succesfull
RE; uteology,Just admit it for what it is. I'm fine if they don't
want a school that's affiliated with religion (mormons. We all know what pompus
jerks most academics are. But I'm tired of masking it in something like
research. I just wish they would say "BYU would be a good fit athletically and
bring a lot of fans, but we don't want religion as part of our party". Look for the story where Glen Tucket is interviewed and comments on many PAC
AD's wanting the BYU sports program over the years but the school presidents not
willing to partner with a school ran by the LDS church. I'm also
tired of Ute fans thinking 2 bowl wins got them into the conference. Please
This is the best thing that could happen to Utah (the state, not the school).
The BYU v. UofU rivalry has been pretty pathetic for years (like 15). I went to
a womens gymnastics meet at UofU versus BYU. (Not football, not basketball, yes
womens gymnastics). I sat in front of a half dozen 8 or 9 year olds and at
every introduction of a BYU gymnast, they booed as loud as their sqeaky voices
could scream. When I say every introduction, I mean every single one and this
went on for the first 15 minutes of events. Then my wife (the epitome of
patience, she is married to me, right?) turned around a gave them the mother
look and asked them to not be so loud. They didn't boo again that night. All I
have to say is "What happened to manners?" Oh yeah, the rivalry gives us
license (and we teach our kids this through our examples) to act like
ill-mannered idiots.To those that say the rivalry will be better or
the same. A pre-season non-conference game between BYU and UofU is hardly the
same as the last conference game of the season.
Re; Cougar4lifeLove your comment!
@SportsFan | 6:48 p.m. June 16, 2010 Looks like you missed the
news...the debate is over. Your opinion does not matter one jot or tittle with
respect to today's results (not that it would anyway).Get over it.
Wa. Coug | 7:13 p.m. June 16, 2010 Did you read your post before you
hit send? "BYU will continue to get the same recruits they have
always got. Their recruiting will continue to improve just like it has over the
past several years based on their own success."If BYU continues to
get the same recruits, how are they going to improve their recruiting? Good
Wa. Coug | 7:20 p.m. Utah is poised to hopefully do well in
football.Basketball, the JC transfers better carry the weight, or
Boylen is gone, and the future of basketball looks weak for the next 4-5
years.Utah does need help to compete against the PAC in minor
sports, because most schools have a year round climate for training.Dr. Hill is smart, and Kyle has a solid program. Utah has to work on their
weak areas, but hopefully the football program carries them for a bit and the
rest doesn't totally embarrass the state.Too many Ute fans are
runnig their mouths saying stupid things, but this is really a good day for Utah
sports. Let's hope Larry Scott can stop the downward spiral of the PAC-12 and
Utah has success...
I'd like to know what Max Hall would say about this?
Congrats to the University of Utah. But before you get ahead of yourselves,
remember...You were not the PAC's first choice. Don't feel too
great about yourselves. It's like someone asking the hottest girl in the school
to the dance, and when she says no, they settle for you.Don't get
too far ahead of yourselves with some of your promises, just like BYU fans
shouldn't predict that the UofU will be cellar dwellers in the PAC. Instead of
getting easy wins like Wyoming, UNM, UNLV and SDSU every year, you will have to
deal with OSU, OU, UW, ASU and UofA. Not exactly easy.BYU most
likely didn't get invited because of the religious affiliation. If you can't
admit that, you are naive or ignorant.
Let's fast forward to 2015...BYU will beg Utah to play with
BYU since having a PAC-12 team like Utah will beef up BYU's schedule.At the end of the season, BYU with 11-2 record, will argue that their only
loss is to the BCS, powerhouse (Utah)...so BYU should deserve to be the non-AQ
to be in BCS bowl...I'm loving it!!!
to add...Utah legislators will pass a law to force Utah to
schedule BYU on its schedule every year...
@Wa. Coug | 7:28 p.m. June 16, 2010 Give it a rest Washington Coug.
Utah has BCS victories and BYU doesn't. That's very telling in the current
state of affairs whether you want to admit it or not. Also, Utah's
school of medicine makes BYU look rather superfluous and you know it. btw...it
does matter.Clearly, the PAC is not impressed with BYU's NC so you
can take that off the table, too.2 undefeated seasons in the last 5
years obviously trumps BYU single undefeated season 25 years ago.I've read the interview with Glen Tuckett. That was 20 years ago and hardly
relevant today. Who cares?One more thing...Utah can expand their
stadium, let's see BYU build a medical school.The Utes are moving
on...deal with it.
Wa coug-------Whaaaaaaaaa Whaaaaaaaaaaaa Whaaaaaaa
Congrats Utes!BYU fans answer this HONESTLY- if you had been invited
to the PAC 10 and Utah wasn't wouldn't you be telling Utah fans how great it was
and how Utah didn't deserve it etc etc? You know you would jump at the chance
Utah got. So quit talking about how terrible Utah is and how they'll stink in
the PAC 10 and how much worse the PAC is etc. Talk about sour grapes!The rivalry game will be played every year it's too much of a money maker. And
it will still be awesome.
Congratulations. Other than a few years when I went to school at Utah and BYU,
I have lived my whole life in Washington State. I am excited for Utah to come
and play in the Pac-10. It will be great to have access to the BCS and an
overall better league. I'd love to see BYU join the Pac-10 or go
independent. The MWC, as the WAC, has done nothing for BYU. BYU has brought
the MWC up as high as it can in respect and wins. Now, it is time to move on to
somewhere where they can play better teams and escalate recruiting and
Archie | 8:08 p.m. June 16, 2010 @Wa. Coug | 7:28 p.m. June 16, 2010 "Clearly, the PAC is not impressed with BYU's NC so you can take that
off the table, too."So, really there Archie... Honestly, now, long
have you cared about what impresses the PAC? Two months ago, the BCS was evil to
the Utes, and now that opinion has changed? Show some integrity.Really, who cares today, except Arrogant Utah fans.It really is a
nice opportunity for the U, but if you needed that for validation, it's pretty
sad. Most Utah fans I know are pleased, I'm pleased, but it's not really time to
show a lack of class.Pretend you have been in the local spotlight
before. (You have, so show it)...
@Buster | 7:46 p.m. June 16, 2010 Thank you, Buster. I agree...there
are a number of areas that Utah needs to work on and they will be able to do it
with the extra money coming in. They have done a remarkable job with the
athletic program and facilities with the resources they have had to date. Having the support of a conference behind the gymnastics program is
going to be a welcomed change, too. The days are looking brighter on the
Hill...they are well deserving this opportunity.As an article in the
SL Trib states, celebrate today (and tomorrow...next week, get to work!
Sooooooooo much conjecture on the part of sooooo many!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Bottom line is the Utes got the invite and the many others did not even get a
Even in the PAC 12, Utah will still be BYU's little brother for BYU-haters like
hedgehog, Uteology and Chris B.They depend on BYU to establish their
self identity.Without BYU, they would be set adrift, not knowing who
they were.Even in their moment of PAC 12 triumphal bliss, their
first thoughts turn to BYU.When the Arizona schools jumped from the
old WAC ship 30 years ago, everyone thought the WAC was dead as far as football.
BYU carried the conference on its back for over a decade accomplishing far more
than the Arizona schools combined,and without any help whatsoever
from Utah, which barely had a football pulse.For almost 20 years,
Utah's bowl game was BYU.The MWC will be just fine without the
Utes.Utah's fans will demand that Utah continue to schedule BYU.It's the only chance they'll have to prove that an unranked 8-4, middle
of the pack, Utah team is better than a Top 25, 10-2, MWC champion, BYU team.BYU should insist that the game be played after Thanksgiving, or not at
Maybe BYU will be invited to play in the WAC. And take Utah States place when
they take Utah's place.No matter, it doesn't matter where they play, they
will garner little or no more respect than they do now. Which is to say the
Forgetting about football for a moment but I can't wait to see how the baseball
team will do against the likes of UCLA, USC, Arizona State, Stanford and even
Oregon State. The PAC-12 might not bring it in football like the SEC but it is
a great league for overall sports programs. Utah and CU are severely lacking in
this area. At least the U. has gymnastics, this will be their top program.
The Utes must have got tired of losing to the Y.
Great column ! This is such an unforgettable day for the University of Utah and
the entire state of Utah,its just perfect.I couldnt be more
thrilled:)Thank you Mr.Harmon for giving credit where credit is due.
I think the best thing that could happen to BYU is going Independent in
Football. They can maintain rivalries with Utah and Utah State, but can bring
more revenue with their own TV deal and play nationwide against Pac-12, Big XII,
ACC and SEC opponents. With the tougher competition comes more
exposure, more exposure comes more recruits, better recruits brings a better
team, and a better team competes for a BCS Bowl. Then once they
prove themselves both money and talent wise an invite from a Big XII or other
BCS Conference would be more likely.
To the Cougar fan we say thank you for helping to get us to this point we
couldn't of done it without you. You have been a dear friend and have pushed us
up. We will never forget our good times and we wish you the best in the Mountain
West. Now skip the bottom paragraph.To the Zoobies we silently smile
because you've always thought it was all about you. Continually you thumbed your
nose on our academics, athletics, and culture...well the PAC has spoken and the
only University they're inviting from Utah is Utah...so ha! Enjoy your
delusional little bubble b/c it will only be a matter of years before your
school becomes completely irrelevant nationally!Peace Out,The Tribe
Hey Cougars, don't worry too much. Even though we're moving on, we won't forget
you. Even though we have big things to think about, we'll keep you
on the schedule for the annual rivalry game.November 19, 1988
BTW, that one guy, what's his name again? Anyway, he's no longer open.
As a kewger fan, I'm super excited for Utah the the mighty Utes! They've done
what we've never been able to do, and they deserve to go to the PAC. I guess
our big stadium and old NC doesn't mean too much to those who care. Oh well.
The MWC is still great especially since the addition of the Boise State Smurfs
with their blue turf. Maybe we could trade turf and play on blue turf. I would
think that a conference that has blue turf we be awesome and now we've got it!
@Jealous U | 8:45 p.m. June 16, 2010 This has been a difficult day
for you, hasn't it. Just wait until you see what tomorrow brings!!Go Utes...Go PAC!!
Wow PAC, what a major move picking up the Utes and Colorado. The Buffs were
such a dominate part of the Big 12 North. The Utes ran the fearsome MWC table a
couple of times and ambushed the Tide.That must make almost as much
revenue as if you had pulled in Texas & Company. Well, at least you still have
Coach Carroll and an umblemished USC, oh wait you don't have that any longer
CONGRATS to Utah for being invited to the PAC. They deserve it! Of course they
should go!(That was painful)That said, quoting the Arizona Daily
Star: "The Pac-10 can use a bump in glamour, and especially one at the bank, but
I don't see how Colorado or Utah can help either. I'm aware of the negative
variables and politics about adding BYU, but the Cougars have a history, a brand
and a presence that neither Utah nor Colorado can touch."The
TRUTH:The two new PAC teams would have been BYU and Utah, or BYU and
Colorado, were it not for one thing: religion. BYU has deserved a major
conference invitation for 30 years of outstanding performance, not just two
conference championships. BYU was left out for religion. The last acceptable
prejudice in America is bigotry against the church behind BYU. Ironic in a
country founded on religious freedom, and more evidence of the sad state of
affairs in America.
Just look at it this way BYU fans, with the Utah leaving for greener pastures
and BSU coming on board you will still be the third best team in the MWC (until
you get in let alone win a BCS game I don't think you can say you are better
than BSU and TCU). Being realistic I don't think BYU sucks, they have been a
good team for a long time. But the problem is they haven't been a great team
and that is what gets you noticed (going undefeated). Besides you got the
biggest undeserved NC in the history of college football in 1984 so you should
be happy (proving that sometimes it is better to be lucky than great). Do you
really think your mighty 84 team would have stood a chance against the 04 and 08
Utes? Face it BYU the 80s were your high water mark in football - at least you
have the endless reruns of 25 year old games on KBYU to sooth your pain/feelings
Re:jealousU.....yawn there little buddy. You should buddy up with many of the
others who just can't stand this great day "on the hill"! Success and rewards
come to those who are deserving.....looks like those in the know decided that
the Utes were a good institution of learning, had/has much to offer as a
university, has a great record of academic and athletic success, and deserved
the offer to join the big boys. When ya boys come down off your high horse
maybe some conference will consider the possibility of asking the YBu to join in
@UtahUtes1-Who cares about Max Hall? Who cares about individuals
that have played at BYU or at Utah? I am talking about my son and what I want
for him. I was answering someone who said that Utah will now get all the LDS
blue chip recruits because of this move.That is a bunch of baloney.
I don't care if Utah is in the PAC10, SEC or NFL, I still want my kids going to
BYU. Not because Utah is a bad school or because an LDS person can't grow
spiritually there... of course they can. I was just comparing the spiritual
experience to what BYU offers to Utah. I say that and all these Ute fans get all
sensitive and attack me.Now you are accusing me of thinking that I
am better than you because I am LDS or that I need to change you because you are
not. Or that you have to be like me for me to accept you..And for
the record, Christ came to change anyone who was willing. I did and I will never
go back to the other side.
@bostonblue | 10:11 p.m. June 16, 2010 Yeah, yeah, yeah...the same
old tired excuses BYU faithful have been spewing all day. Oh, and
you worked the word "bigotry" into your post, congratulations! Nothing new
there, either. Forgive me for not being sympathetic to your plight but simply
put, children do the same thing when they don't get their way. The
Arizona Star article is an opinion...just like those we have seen from Dick
Harmon of late, nothing more than that and nothing new. Why don't you just say
"congratulations" and leave it at that? You would appear to be of stronger
character than going down the path you chose. Just a thought. There are some first class well wishes from BYU faithful on this thread. If
the shoe was on the other foot, wouldn't you want others to be excited for
Congrats on graduating, Utah. It has got to feel good. I'm a little jealous,
but still a loyal cougar. Perhaps in time the utes will bring a football title
to our fabulous state. The heat is on now that there is no glass ceiling for
you. Let it inspire you.
We should all congratulate the Utes as this will be a plus for their program. I
hate to see them leave the conference but this is what is happening in college
sports and in particular, football. Now for those of you who may not have
noticed the news, BSU is coming into the MWC. All this talk of BYU being the
conference champion is way premature given that you have BSU and TCU. Last time
I checked the recent games between these teams and BYU, the Cougars rank #3 to
both of these other programs. BYU will have all it can handle playing these
teams. There is a new sheriff in town and it is not BYU.
Did the Pac 10 really get stronger by taking the third place team in the MWC?
Should the U be getting excited that USC, Oregon, Wash, Cal, etc
will come to play in SLC? Absolutely! Sorry, but I just don't see the other
Pac 10 fans getting nearly as excited about Utah coming to visit. You don't
really think that Stanford is selling more season tickets tonight? Not anywhere
close to Texas or OK or Kansas basketball? How sad for the Pac 10,
they take a team that has finished third or worse in the MWC four out of the
last five years and a sorry CU team that wasn't even competitive in the Big 12
North, just to be able to stage a Championship for USC vs. Oregon?Oh, and I'm still waiting for all of the press conferences from the BYU
recruits announcing that they have renounced their scholi's and switching to the
U based on today's announcement...crickets on that front.Go
Cougs...Utes, just go!
I don't mean to ruin your Cheerios, but this is going to change the U in ways we
didn't plan. I walked on as a player and later earned a scholarship. I wasn't
all that great, and it wasn't a full ride, but it paid for school. The local
"walk ons" will be squeezed out due to the higher performance requirements, and
increased demand for those few open spots. What's the purpose if the school no
longer serves the local community? There is a real cost for fame and fortune?
This may cost us in a lot more ways than we thought possible. But hey, as long
as we can roll in more dollars. Speaking of which, certainly everyone
understands the cost for tickets will go through the roof, because now its a
"Big 12" school, woo hoo!
Not good news at all for BYU. Why? Because even if the Big 10 expands and
decides to invite from the MWC too, guess who they'll take??? Yep, TCU and
Boise State...for the same reason they were snubbed in the first place by the
PAC. The best thing for them now is for that not to happen and then go out and
beat as many BCS schools as possible year in and year out until there is no more
doubt that they are a legit conference and deserving of an automatic bid. But
if TCU and Boise State gets an invite to the Big 10, then it's all over for my
beloved Cougs. It's a sad day!!!
@Buzz | 10:41 p.m. June 16, 2010 Yeah, I noticed you received a few
responses to your post, obviously I hit a nerve. I grew up in Utah but I don't
live there now. My daughter chose not to attend BYU. Academically, BYU cannot
meet her needs so she attends a small private university nearby. She goes to
Young Single Adult branch in our stake and loves what she's doing.When the kids in the stake return home from BYU for the summer, she's treated
like a second class citizen because she didn't go to BYU. I grew up
in Utah and I know well what BYU is like and yeah, I laid it out there for you
in my post. Clearly, it upset you and I apologize. Consider how my daughter
used to feel...she's past it now and accepts it for what it is. It's sad that members of the church have such difficulty accepting others.
The attitude is there whether you want to admit it or not.I commend
you for the choices you've made and hope everything goes well for your children
@utsouthwestern | 10:56 p.m. June 16, 2010 Well said. May the
rivalry (the fun part of it anyway) live on (and not get out of hand - ever).
I want to say thanks again to the many classy cougar fans who have congratulated
us Ute fans today. I am happy to say that this day is built upon not only two
BCS victories, but also on events such as the 1998 Ute basketball team, the Jazz
finals runs, the 2002 Olympics and perhaps even the 1984 Cougars. All of these
events have given sports in the State of Utah legitimacy.I look
forward to the day when the Cougars get their invite to a top level conference
and I hope it is soon.Go Utes!
@ Chris B | 3:56 p.m.Thanks for the heads up. Your right about that.
It will be nice to add another football National Championship trophy to our
case.BYU Cougars the 2012 BCS National ChampionsHas a
nice ring.Oh, yeah I think our right, Red Rocks will finally get
their national championship within the next 5 years. It's on my calendar.
UtahUtes1 | 11:16 p.m. June 16, 2010 @Buzz | 10:41 p.m. June 16, 2010 having lived out of State also, I watched the kids go to and return from
BYU. Personally, I could never live up to the honor code at BYU, and did not
want to try.My wife is a UofU graduate.That being said,
I grew up watching them play football and that is why I am a fan. Several
friends an relatives have played for both Universities, and I like them both. My
daughters want to attend the Y, but I enjoyed the diverse population at the
different schools I attended to get my degree, and finally my masters. Diversity
can be good too.Magna Ute Fan | 11:26 p.m. June 16, 2010 Classiest post of the day. A good friend of mine played basketball and coached
at Cypress, also taught and coached at Brockbank... With that info, you probably
already know who he is, and were in his Drivers Ed class. I have hung with him
several times in Magna, and Magna people are the best around. It's nice to see
you class up the joint (this board).Good luck Utes...
They (the team down south) call US sinners, but THEY are the ones who spend
Christmas in Vegas every year!
Great job coach Whittingham and to all the Utes, (coaches, players and fans)
well done and good luck.
This Red vs. Blue rhetoric is pathetic and embarrassing. As a former Ute player
I think its gotten way out of hand. There are obviously a lot of emotional
infants on both sides. All of you take the fun out of the game and the rivalry.
Oh, by the way, I don't agree with this PAC 12 move at all. We've sold our soul,
and we'll regret it in the long run. Hopefully BYU will stay put for their own
sake. After all, its not just about the money.
To all the myopic cougars, let's not overlook the fact that if the, 13 - 0, 2008
utes had been wearing Alabama jerseys THEY would have been voted #1 National
Champions (only undefeated team in 2008) in a REAL championship game for the
title. I hope that sarcastic jab was not too over-educated for you delighful, if
uninformed, "cougs"! Now, wipe your eyes and respond.
As a Cougar fan, I have no problem admitting that I am a bit jealous of the Utes
right now. I would, however, like to provide a little reality check. Why did
the Utes get invited instead of the Cougs? There is only one reason and it has
nothing to do with athletics or academics. It has to do with religion (by the
way, if it had been about money, BYU would have gotten the invite). BYU did not
get invited to the PAC-10 because it is a religious school (anyone who argues
this in uninformed).So I have a news flash to all the Mormon Utes:
Your school got accepted by the PAC-10 because your religion was discriminated
against by the PAC-10 (argue and flame all you want, but at the end of the day,
you know it's true).Good luck and don't get afraid to schedule BYU
like the rest of the BSC schools.
The LDS church was not discriminated against! BYU was discriminated against
because it is a private religious school. The PAC 10 gave Baylor the exact same
treatment. Last I checked, Baylor is not owned by the church that I am an
active member of, the LDS church.Yes, the PAC 10 did not want any
private religious institutions, BYU, Baylor, TCU, any of them. If they were
descriminant against the LDS church, they would not have invited Utah either.
Half of the students and more than half of the football coaching staff are LDS.
The president of the school is a direct descendant of Brigham Young! The
President Monson graduated from the U! It was not an anti-mormon issue, Utah's
invitation proves that!
@2020 | 7:42 a.m. June 17, 2010 I love this comment...right on!
Hate Us all you want, but at the end of the day just remember that you are still
in the MWC... And we accomplished in 10 years what you haven't been able to
accomplish in your whole existence and that is to join a bigger better
conference that rewards your school with a lot of money... You can say all you
want about us being the pawn and the last University that they want or had there
eyes on but guess what, We are in the PAC 10... Thanks to the BYU Fans that give
there congratulations to Us and to the cold shoulder fans from BYU that HATE us,
I hope we never see you again after this year!!
Be a lover, not a hater! WWJD and CTR!
Don't sell out Utah!
True Blue...thank you for the Congrats...however to paraphrase Ophelia..."rich
gifts"...your compliments..."wax poor when givers prove unkind"...your knock on
what you call unclassy Utes put you in the unclassy Zoobie class...but then
Byu going Independant? Who do they think they are? Notre Dame? Who in their
right mind would give BYU a TV contract that the likes of Notre Dame has? KBYU?
Like I said the other day, "I don't like the move."With Boise St.
coming to the MWC, our conference was taking a step forward. Now with Utah
getting out, it's a step back. And to all those "classy" Cougar
fans, enjoy being the 3rd best team in the MWC 2011. As for this year, I would
be surprised if you broke even. Jealousy is a stinky deodorant, you
wear it well Cougar fan.
Just realize Utah did not get the nod ahead of BYU as BYU was never considered.
Anyone who thinks differently doesnt understand the PAC 10+2 or its schools. It
will take a little time but BYU will never go it alone but will end up in the
Big 12 within a year or two. Mack Brown when asked yesterday who he could see
filling the 2 slots in the big 12 to go back to 12 mentioned his top 2, BYU and
ND. BYU is a much better fit for that conference academically, sports wise,
etc. and the rivalry will not end it will just change, imagine in a few years
playing the game on national tv poised as a battle between the big 12 and the
pac 10+2. GO UTAH
BYU will be just fine! For all you Ute fans who complain about TV
may find it hard to find your game on the Tube. You may think your going to be
on ESPN playing to a national audience, but the Pac plays with FSN and VS, and
you thought The MT was bad. Ask any fan from the Northwest and they will tell
you so.The Mountain is now years ahead of FSN in quality and in
depth coverage and not to mention HD this year with all football games. Why do
you think every conference wants it's own network now? It was because of the
Mountain Wests vision. The Mountain West will still be there
competing and most likely continue dominance over the Pac and then gain entrance
the hard way to the BSC.
cougar fans make me laugh so what if utah wasn't the pac 12's first choice i
dont care if they the 20th choice they are in the pac 12 now and that is just
And out of the woodwork the Ute fans come...
If only Max Hall had not insulted Utah, maybe BYU would have been chosen for the
pac 10? Just a thought.
As a BYU fan, there are no words to describe how bitter I am about the Utes
moving up and BYU doing NOTHING and essentially moving back! Not a peep from
the BYU admin or AD. Yes, the U will have better recruiting, have more money
for facilities and far more prestege. They will leave BYU in the dust and you
are delusional if you think otherwise. Tom Holmoe has been missing in action.
If you ever doubted that sports are way way down the list of priorities at BYU,
rise and shout because here is your slap-in-the-face wake up call.The rivalry will become even more heated (if that's possible) with the new
dimension of the have vs. have-not and the new inferiority complex BYU will be
taking on.Hey Holmoe, are you on vacation or something?Good luck, U of U. You earned it. BYU and its leadership obviously have not.
We deserve to be thought of and treated as minor leaguers.
Utah’s much enhanced national and regional television exposure, plus the
prestige of the Pac 10, will essentially guarantee it will win all recruiting
battles with BYU. Those kids will objectively examine the situation and think
to themselves: “I can play for Utah where NFL
scouts will be able to actually see me play on NBC and ESPN every week, or I can
play for BYU where NFL scouts can only see me if they subscribe to the MTN and
if they can actually stand to watch the wobbly, grainy broadcast.
“I can play for Utah where, if we work hard, we have a shot
every year of playing for the national championship or in a BCS bowl. Or, I can
play for BYU where, if we work hard, we can play for the MWC championship every
year and go to the Vegas Bowl or the Armed Forces Bowl.
Utah will now get between 17-19 million per year just for being a member of the
Pac 12, plus the obvious extras that the conference will get during bowl season
where at least one of its schools is guaranteed every year to play in a BCS
bowl, and where even the mediocre teams play in fun bowls that actually pay out
good money.BYU is still stuck with the Vegas Bowl or the
As Buster would say: Keep is classy BYU fans. My bet is when (if)
Big 12 expands look for TCU and BYU to be given the invite.What I
don't get is why do you want to join the liberal PAC when you fit more in the
Re Oxy: You sure about that number? I think you're trying to compare what Texas
gets by staying in the B12 and that's coming from TV revenues. New for you, the
P10 does not have any sort of comprable tv revenuy arrangement like the B10 and
B12. You'll get more $, but it's not going to be in the 17-20 mil range.The P10 tv deal with fox sports is almost as bad as the mtn. Congrats on
the invite. Make the state of Ut proud.
@Uteology - finally a yewt that knows what he's talking about. BYU was never
considered by the godless Pac 10 - just look to CO. Athletically and
academically Colorado doesn't fit in the Pac 12. BYU really is a better fit for
the conservative Big 12 (they were already considerded back in the 90's until
they got bumped by Baylor). I hate the yewts, but have to
congratulate them on their invite - they went out and got it. BYU admin sits
around and waits for an invitation. Freakin go out and make it happen
yourselves. BYU will never compromise its standards (honor code, play on
Sunday), so go out and make it happen instead of doing nothing.
TDSDon't make the state look more pathetic by getting blown out by
tcu and bsu everyday.Actually, no, I hope you get blown out every
year by them.
Congoratz to the U of U on the apparent promotion.Will BYU and Utah
continue the annual instate rivalry games? Or is that history? Anything
official on that yet?
PAC-10 (probation altercation conference); I wish Utah well; Boise State is
ranked # 2 in nation this year, and may not ever drop out of top 5 again; Boise
State and TCU have more class than PAC-10; Utes have downgraded.
In my lifetime as a footbal fan- BYU has bested Utah 26 out of the last 41
games.Lately, the rivalry has been very close: Utes vs BYU are 2-3
(last 5 years), 5-5 (10 yrs), 7-8 (15 yrs), 9-11 (20 yrs), 10-15 (25 yrs) and
10-20 (last 30 years). But at no five-year mark has Utah had the advantage.
Not even the past 5 years...when Utah has been as good as they have ever been.
Dropping 3 out of the last 4 isn't a record to boast of as the Utes begin to
graze greener pastures.
Uteology | 12:24 p.m. June 17, 2010 "As Buster would say: Keep is classy
BYU fans." Go ahead and quote me, Uteology... That is because you
are the last person who could ever speak with any authority about class.
This is fitting, because SLC has always desperately wished they were the pacific
coast. The plastic surgery, 300$ jeans and hoards of orange-tanned women are all
symptoms.It's too bad for Utah too. They would've stood a chance in
the MWC, now they're going to get kicked around by everyone from Stanford to
USC.Mostly, i'm just going to mourn a good rivalry.
Buster | 2:57 p.m. June 17, 2010Uteology | 12:24 p.m. June 17, 2010"As Buster would say: Keep is classy BYU fans."Go ahead and quote
me, Uteology... That is because you are the last person who could ever speak
with any authority about class.------------------You
hurt my feelings, the last person? How about the guy or gal that dumped beer on
Max Halls family? Now wouldn't you agree that person that's the most classless?
Pouring beer on grandma, man that's evil even worse then pulling the plug on
grandma.Just watched ESPN and they had to have Dick "The Zoob"
Harmon and when asked "why does Utah deserve to be in the PAC-10" he just went
off on why BYU should have been picked. Typical Zoob never stay on topic.BTW there's a difference between a Zoob and BYU fan, both are on this
tread.Buster you are a Zoob.
Na na na na na na na na hey hey hey goodbye!
Can't we all just get along?
Um, is this thread really nearly a week old and you people still can't give it a