$26,000/yr. That is because it's government run. $26,000 could easily be spent
wisely. The first is, repealing all rights a prisoner has except a court
appointed lawyer.The 2nd is making prison so miserable that you
don't want to go back. That includes causing pain and suffering to the "inmate".
That way the next time they come back they either off themselves before it
happens, or they don't come back at all. It's a win-win situation that leaves
the general public in a situation where they are not overly burdened with taxes
that could be spent on say...lights that turn green when you pull up to them and
there's no on else around...(something Utah can't seem to figure out but all the
other states have)
What a burden on society to have to house these criminals. Make them pay for
their stay, make them work while in prison. Chain gangs could go a long way to
making up for the shortfall in resources. And it would probably be a better
deterent then what we currently have.
I agree with giantfan. Why can't they work??
Capsaicin, I can't tell you how happy I am that you're not in any position of
power.You are exactly what's wrong with this world. You're just like
can't we put them in tents with bologna sandwiches like the sherriff in Arizona?
@ giantfan and lsteinbentley: Great - let's put them to work. Exactly what
jobs would you trust them to do? And what do we do about those who are now
unemployed because inmates are doing their jobs?@ Capsaicin and
thelogicalone: Remember that handy dandy little thing called "The Constitution
of the United States of America"? I suggest you read the 8th Amendment.
Cut the funding for for parks and rec first etc. The trees will still grow
without someone watching them. Let's put safety first.
how bout we execute ronnie lee gardner and the lafferty brothers? that will
free up three more beds.
It is most unfortunately that we have so many people who violate the law to
cause this situation to occur. But Our Political parties will not set the right
priorities and just blame others. Had we not wasted our money in recent Wars and
allowed regulations to be ignored to bring on this economic crisis and elected
officials seting the the wrong example with their lies and very bad actions and
do nothing to correct our situations that others try the same actions and get
caught for it. If we would all try to be better people and respect each other
and hold others as our equals, then most of these messes would not be occurring.
We all need to go away from GREED for our selves and work on building our
families and communities together.
Waddoups said the state has a higher than average incarceration rate because it
aggressively prosecutes dangerous criminals, a characteristic he said is a
positive because it contributes to maintaining public safety.I'm not
sure where Waddoups gets his information from. Utah historically has one of the
lowest incarceration rates in the country.
Infringing on rights and freedoms with laws is why the prisons can't keep up
with prisoners. Maybe the legislators should rewrite some laws and put more
restrictions on law enforcement from manufacturing crimes. Where a lot of
victimless prisoners where law enforcement has created a crime and target,
entice, and lure individuals to commit a crime. If prisoners are to
be released, they should start with illegal aliens to be deported and turn them
over to the feds or national guard to deport them right from the prisons. This
alone should eliminate 50% of the inmates. Then prisoners in as drug users and
addicts should not be hard core prisoners, they can be released to
rehabilitation programs outside of prisons. There are many more lesser crimes
that are causing the overcrowding of prisons.Criminals are created
by laws and too many laws create over crowded prisons. Utah is a police state
where police are writing the laws and punishments. They propose the laws they
want and in secrecy get them passed. Or they get laws nullified because they
don't want to enforce them.
"The 2nd is making prison so miserable that you don't want to go back. That
includes causing pain and suffering to the "inmate"."Wow... just
They could be used in the military.shuttdlrl
We need more tax cuts. Go ahead and let them free so I can pay less
in taxes!!!On the other hand, perhaps releasing all non-violent drug
offenders and requiring them to go through a drug addiction program would make
sense.This would free up beds for the violent offenders, and treat
the addiction that lead these people to prison in the first place at a much
lower cost.Of course, that might be too logical.
I think that they need to put all of the lifers and death row inmates onto an
island, and let nature do the rest. why should we have to pay for them. If they
are so bad that they need to be removed from society then why should society
have to pay for them.
Keep all prisoner rights. They are citizen and deserve the Constitutional
protection afforded all. But, release early due to no space? What stupidity.
Fenced areas with tents and cots. It is good enough for the military, why not
our prisons? MRE's, no soda pop, no coffee. Nothing not on a cheap balanced
menu. No toys, no TV and nothing other than educational reading material. No air
conditioning.NO reason at all to release anyone early.
GWB - Great Idea!This has already been successfully implemented by
DORA (Drug Offenders Rehabilitation Act). The problem is that it has very
limited funding but it has worked wonders with those who can be participants.This has been in place for several years but has not been fully funded
by the state.I wonder how many of our state prisoners are illegal
aliens? And...if we simply deport them, won't that just give them the
opportunity to come back in???
We have a real hatered for others in this Country.Knowing about Waddups
and Law Enforcement, Try looking at Arrest Requirements for each Officer
everyday. The Criminals are on the outside, Waddupps being one of them. It is
time we have an inside look at the Sherriffs, The Courts and the Justice system
filling all of these spaces.2.5 Million People are in Jail, Most are
innocent trapped in the system. You don't need to be a criminal to be caught up.
Onece caught, No one is interested in hearing from you. You are crossed off the
books. No longer employable.No longer a Citizen, so why should you follow
the Laws, You can not eeven vote.
Rather than find the ones who are closest to being released or the safest ones
to release, how about just finding the most dangerous ones or the ones closest
to death and speed THAT process up?
What a conflict for Utonians. We want all our prisoners to serve out their full
sentences. But to do that we need more prisons which will cause our taxes to
increase. Decisions, decisions.
CapsaicinFirst of all, the State did try to go private on the prison
system and found out that it actually cost MORE than if they ran the prison.Larry,You diatrite "Most are innocent trapped in the system" is
laughable at best and criminal at worst, I worked at the prison for 7 years and
most of the people there are there for REAL reason, They violated the law. The
majority of them in general population are sex offenders.For
those that don't think that the inmates don't work. A good portion of them do
work, they mop the floors, they weed, they clean the highway (until recently)
they fight forest fires, they have UCI where the learn a trade (wood working,
printing, etc).The problem again is that by law an inmate industry
can not compete with the private sector and they lack funding.Every
inmate that is court ordered repraiations, must pay back the victims.
Many inmates in the custody of the Utah Department of Corrections have been
over-sentenced.Early release hasn't resulted in an uptick in
victimization.Let's explore alternatives to incarceration rather
than enrich those who build and staff the prison-industrial complex.
"Crimson Regret | 8:30 a.m. May 20, 2010 I think that they need to put all
of the lifers and death row inmates onto an island, and let nature do the rest.
why should we have to pay for them. If they are so bad that they need to be
removed from society then why should society have to pay for them."They tried this once, in a little place called AUSTRALIA. Didn't work. You
could remove some of the endless appeals but then increase the chance of an
innocent man being convicted without recourse, so that's out. How about a REAL
solution?Endlessly long sentences are part of the problem. Five
years to life isn't any kind of solution that fits every crime. And a number of
years is nothing if rehabilitation is not part of the package. Prison climate
is nothing like the real world, when people leave it, they have to adapt, and
many fail because they are unprepared (thanks to the confinement system we
currently have). Hard work is one way, but if people have no skills, then it's
just the chipping rocks which really isn't doing much good.
Are US citizens the most criminal in the world?The United States has
the highest incarceration rate in the world.We incarcerate more of our
citizens then anyone including Russian and china.We are about 5% of the
world’s population but account for 25% of the world’s incarcerated
population.The United States incarcerates around 737 per 100,000.Many other western countries incarcerate around 100 per 100,000One out
of every 32 US citizens is involved in some way with the criminal justice
system.There are around 7 million Americans in prison and drug offenders
account for 2 million of those.The war on drugs is a war on our own
citizens.When the mental hospitals were opened in the 80's a large
percentage of these people went from the hospitals to the prisons.It is my
opinion that we lock up too many of our citizens. We have made everything
a felony. Sentencing and justice are arbitrary.And we do not allow
those released much of a chance.They have a very difficult time finding
work and housing.Without being able to work, what do we expect them to
The other thing I think that needs to be brought up is: what is crime?Most
of the laws on the books punish crimes that the poor commit.The crimes
that the rich commit are not called crimes.Our justice system is the best
that money can buy.If you have the money you can commit crime and usually
get away with it.How much money did the bankers and Wall Street steal from
each citizen last year?Not only did they steal the money, but then our
government gave them more of our money for good measure.Why are these
people not in prison?Because the crimes that they committed are not
illegal (because in a large part, they make and pass the laws)And they
have the money to fight any crimes they committed that are laws.A man
sticks a gun in your face and steals your wallet; he gets 5-20 years in
prison.A man steals all of your 401k, retirement, house, and everything in
your bank account; the government gives them your tax money as well.
Why should inmates live in better conditions than our military? Put them in
tents! Also, reduce their medical benefits to the same as our Medicaid/Medicare
patients - why should they receive better healthcare than our Medicare/Medicaid
patients? I also feel they should be utilized somehow in the military since we
are at war.