If understood right, "Mexican-Americans are not going to take this lying down"?,
who cares about them anyway, they are not the illegal Immigrant's here. The BIG
QUESTION should be, in Utah, hhy did not Hatch and Bennett start to "tweaks"
their law's to ensure that his version is both legal, and aimed at effectively
curbing illegal immigration in Utah before re-election time?. This should of
also been done in every state in the country years ago, not just talk about it.
I'm happy that Utahns are solidly in favor of putting their own version of
Arizona's controversial new immigration statute into law in the Beehive State,
seeing all their law maker's ever did for decades was only talk about it,
without action and had them all fooled. We all heard last night on Leno, the
Gov of CA, beit in Los Angeles or anywhere else in his state, he won't touch
these illegals, and deport them, and, he calls himself a Republican?. It's time
to play hardball with them all. And not cave into their whines.
The new AZ law only makes it a state crime to violate the federal law which is
already on the books...Politifact - "The legal scholars we spoke
with told us to take a close look at two key sections of Title 8 of the U.S.
Code. Section 1304e requires that "every alien, eighteen years of age and over,
shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any
certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to
him." Those who fail to comply will be guilty of a misdemeanor and will be fined
$100 and can be imprisoned up to 30 days.""Section 1306a says that,
"Any alien required to apply for registration and to be fingerprinted in the
United States who willfully fails or refuses to make such application or to be
fingerprinted, and any parent or legal guardian required to apply for the
registration of any alien who willfully fails or refuses to file application for
the registration of such alien shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall, upon
conviction thereof, be fined not to exceed $1,000 or be imprisoned not more than
six months, or both."
We get more illegals from Canada, Russia, and Ireland than from south and
central america. we just target hispanics because they look different. our job
crisis isn't because of hispanics, its because of big corp's that were
irresponsible. Book of Mormon, Second Nephi, it says all those who
come to this land are led by God. In my LDS mission in florida we didn't ask if
someone was illegal as a prerequisite to baptism.As a Native
American, I'm sick of laws that target skin color. No blondes or redheads will
be approached. This law is discriminatory on its face.
Dustman,You're hilarious. Where did you get your facts that we have
more illegals from Canada, Russia, and Ireland? Guaranteed there
are more illegal mexicans from one city in mexico than all your countries listed
combined. This is a fantastic law. I believe the Mormons also
teach to "obey the law" is that right? Aren't people to be held accountable for
their actions?Why don't we just let all crimes go unpunished?Let's get this enacted in Utah, unemployment will drop immediately when
we have the guts to shove aside PC garbage and start enforcing our laws.
Dustman are you sure you have the facts or are just making comments based on
rumors you have heard from others who are making alot of money spreading hate
and trying to divide the nation into racial groups.
Maybe all of the murderers, rapists, robbers and druggies should all get
together and sue Arizona for passing a law that makes their actions a crime.Makes about as much sense.
@ dustman | 9:45 a.m."Book of Mormon, Second Nephi, it says all
those who come to this land are led by God. In my LDS mission in florida we
didn't ask if someone was illegal as a prerequisite to baptism."Your breaking the law of God and Jesus Christ as well as the law's of
the land also. If someone was illegal and here they are breaking the law, it's
a moral sin, it aids a criminal, and should never be considered a true
prerequisite to baptism and ask then forst for US Birth Record's, just to get a
mark on your belt, just because you were brealing the law by not turning them
into ICE and your local Police Department beforehand there. I believe the
Mormons also teach to "obey the law" is that right? Aren't people to be held
accountable for their actions?. Do you do that to people in Prison here as
Boycott AZ?? Why? I will always go to sunny AZ. Other states should do the
The new law in AZ is ILLEGAL. What part of illegal don't you haters understand?
If you support the new law in AZ you are UnAmerican, and
UnPatriotic! Read the constitution.AZ lawmakers have created a
divertion from their BAD economy and so many people are falling for it.Undocumented immigrants come because they need jobs to survive, companies here
hire them because they need people who will do the jobs (Americans won't).
IT IS A SHARED NEED by both countries.Drug dealers come to
supply a huge American DEMAND. If Mexican didn't do it. People from other
nations would. It's just supply and demand. IT IS A SHARED PROBLEM by both
countries.If you think it's simply an issue of braking a law take
your blinders off.If for you this is about hatred and prejudice then
it is a reflection on your self and not about TRUTH and YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY!
All you "conservative Mormons", why do you want to deny other people' civil
rights? Why is it ok for you that some American have to prove they are Americans
while others don't. (Of couser you are in the don't group!). Look back at your
own history! Don't do to others what was done to your ancestors!When
I moved to Utah, I thought Mormons were Christian. Their religion may be but
after meeting so many "conservative Mormons" I see that their attitudes and
behaviors are not. I didn't think they would be so prejudiced and
racists. I was surprised by that. Of course I met some nice people too, but the
majority were the "conservative Mormon" who talk the talk but don't walk the
walk. There is so much hypocricy in the Mormon culture here in
Utah. Even from Mormons to other Mormons (who are not white like they)
12:25....Once gain, this thread has been perverted into an anti-Mormon bash.I see no love of Christ in YOUR rantings.you need to read up on the
federal laws. You listen to Rosie, Behar, Ricky, Shakira and other fonts
of liberal intelligence (oxymoronic, eh?) waaaay too much. The AZ law is a
clone of the federal law on the books for many years. We are NOT talking
prevention of baptism here. These unfortunate, yet opportunistic, peoples
KNOW they are breaking the law even as they plan on furtively crossing the
border.Didn't Stephen King write a book about Christine?
I live 8 miles from the border and all the Arizona legislature wants to see
happen is an end to ILLEGAL immigration. I don't know any of us who object to
anyone's skin oolor or race (Mexican isn't a race, it's a nationality, by the
way). We do object to our federal government refusing to enforce its own
laws.Arizona is in serious trouble dealing with nearly 1/8th of our
population being here illegally--sapping our educational, medical, welfare and
criminal justice systems, demanding citizens' benefits--in Spanish, no less--and
yes, taking jobs that our LEGAL residents, need.
Christine's comments are baseless in fact. Simply applying labels to things and
people does not strengthen an argument or make any valid point.As
already pointed out, the Arizona law simply reiterates existing Federal law that
dates back to 1940. Everyone entering this sovereign nation must "check in" and
carry appropriate documents.Any supply and demand problem is reduced
by reducing either supply or demand. Our porous border encourages supply, and
we need to cut it off. Crime statistics in border states support this.Christine's bigotry is inexcusable in this day and age, and the height of
hypocrisy in this context.
whats next in 2012 dont know for sure?Where this is all going sounds
like this is even a bigger mess of Problems..GodBless the World~
I'd be willing to bet that most of you disobey the "law of the land" every day
by speeding when driving a vehicle. You see it every day, how people slam on
their brakes when the see a police officer, which means they know they are doing
something wrong - breaking the law - but trying to get away with it. Hop of
that high horse!
from my son in Arizona (can't understand the problem with Arizona's
immigration law. There has to be "legal contact" before any police officer can
request documentation regarding immigration status. So...as a citizen, should I
complain about being required to provide identification if/when I am "legally
contacted" by the police? I mean, does the hispanic community feel that it
should have "diplomatic immunity" based on color of skin?)No problems with
Hispanics, just ILLEGALS!!!!!
@dustman:"As a Native American, I'm sick of laws that target skin
color. No blonds or redheads will be approached."Don't worry. The
AZ law specifically prohibits anything approaching checking skin or hair
color."This law is discriminatory on its face."The AZ
law requires that all who law enforcement encounters in official business will
be checked. If the check reveals illegal immigration the person will be
deported. What could be more fair? Would you prefer federal ICE (Immigration
and Customs Enforcement) raid your home or workplace? They can... And have.
@Christine:"The new law in AZ is ILLEGAL."The AZ law
essentially parrots the federal law on immigration. If the AZ law is
unconstitutional then the federal law is also unconstitutional... and it
isn't."What part of illegal don't you haters understand?"We understand the part of "illegal" that says foreigners who come to this
country without the requisite permission and paperwork are breaking the law.
Christina... It is interesting that liberals scream "The new law in AZ is
ILLEGAL. What part of illegal don't you haters understand? If you
support the new law in AZ you are UnAmerican, and UnPatriotic! Read the
constitution. this is about hatred and prejudice"I don't apply
all of those labels to you, simply misguided. I have read the constitution. I
do understand "illegal" immigration is ILLEGAL. Please remove the hatred,
prejudice and venom from your comments. My family contains Phillipinos,
hispanics, native americans, blacks and orientals as well as many other
nationalities. We love each other. Even so we probably each have some
prejudices. But we don't find it necessary to harshly label anyone who
disagrees with us.
Why is it just Latino and Hispanic groups complaining. Let the law
go into effect, and see if profiling takes place. It's actually written in the
law that profiling can't be used. The President is willing to sit
back and let this play out, maybe we all should.