It's fun to watch the "conservative" representative argue that the government
should continue to fund jobs that the private sector should be doing. Isn't
that what Obama's budget calls for, letting the private sector take over this
business. Sounds like a true conservative to me. Mr. Bishop is doing some
serious ideological gymnastics to claim that the government should continue to
spend money where the private sector can step in. Maybe the label hypocrite is
more appropriate that conservative.
I'm not 100% certain that Constellation is the best way into space. There are a
few alternatives out there that might be much more cost-effective while
preserving the capabilities we need. The biggest issue in my mind is this big
gap between the end of Shuttle and the start of something else. But maybe this
gap is meaningless if we really don't commit to a destination that is worth
It's always a BIG Government problem,cut taxes,stop Government
funding,it's not allowed in the Constitution,Socialist state run
projects,UNTILit's in YOUR back-yard....Then
it's Wee Wee Wee all the way home!!!!Hypocrites!!!
EELV -- Commercial Space Launches -- Already designed,
built and fully operationalDelta IV = $69 Million per launchAtlas V = $49 Million per launch(both of which still have
sub-contracts with Utah's ATK)Still in development, unproven, and
2017 to 2019 until operational.Ares I = $1 BILLION per
flight (Augustine Commission - 2009)I'm an Aerospace
Engineer,I'm also a taxpayer.I could give a rip about the
politics going on,as an enginner - I want to go to Space.I think the
Ares is a killer concept!!!BUT - as a taxpayer - I'd have to agree
with both NASA and the President --- this pork project NEEDS to be cancelled.We can do the same job for a lot less money.Sorry Utah,All politics aside, it's the right thing to do.
Sorry CvP, you have your facts WAY wrong. First: EELV (Atlas V) is
not 69 mil per launch for the vehicle configuration that is needed to launch a
capsule. EELV is not man-rated nor has it been designed for crew launches. It
would need significant changes, requalification and upgrades to do the job.
Delta IV flat out cannot do the job due to it's capabilities. In a
hearing 2 weeks ago, Doug Cooke the director of exploration told congress the
marginal costs were 176 million per launch. It's been very apparent in recent
weeks that the costs that were given to the committee were inflated nor were
they compared apples to apples (private commercial vs NASA). Augustine himself
acknowledged this in a letter in the past couple weeks.The RSRMV is
the cheapest cost/lb motor out there and cannot be touch in terms of this and
reliability. You are wrong as well as those that see the slanted
side of things.
In terms of politics, the reason government needs to do this is flat out because
NASA knows what they are doing and private companies are not ready, it's too
risky to have private companies to do this due to the "too valuable to fail"
issue. NASA will always have to subsidies these companies b/c there is not
market is basically, all you're doing is moving money from one company to
another and not lowering costs. Do research and you will find the truth through
many similar issues in the last 20 years. EELV is a prime example of this.
USAF subsidizes ULA every year because even the non-crew industry can't support
We don't want no federal government interference here in Utah.Wait a
minute, 2000 Jobs!We want more federal government interference here
in Utah.Bi-Partisan use of taxpayer money is fine as long as it
isn't for any kind of social program.
It is really obvious who the Hypocrites are. I though the iberals where open
mined and well informed it's quite obvious that not the case. Just keep the
blinders on and receiveing you intitlement checks. Just keep cutting the funding
that does not support the welfare and intitlements the only thing that keeps a
I'm tired of everything being a liberals vs. conservatives argument. This
should be something that everyone should get behind. Constellation is not
pork-barrel spending. It's not political. It's the future of the human race.
We MUST return to the moon and press outwards into the Solar System. We must
make use of the resources we find there, defend ourselves from asteroid impacts,
and become a true multi-planet species. I cannot see why this is even an
argument. Ask any Apollo astronaut and they'll tell you that once
you've made that journey, it changes the way you look at Earth. Everything that
seems so important down here just looks silly from up there. As a species, we
need to grow up and stop worshipping money. There are more important things in
To all of the commentators here who say that Obama's new space plan gutting
manned spaceflight is about saving money, it's not. Obama puts over $1 billion
additional into NASA's topline budget. He just also kills Constellation (and
Ares rockets), and shifts that funding over to hobby science projects, and new
politically correct "global warming" satellites. It's bad enough that he's
killing manned spaceflight, and putting us behind the Russians, Chienese and
Indians, but also spending more money at the same time!!! So quit the
misinformed argument that critics of Obama's stupid space program are just all
about saving jobs and not wanting to save taxpayer money! He's spending more
and getting a worse result at the same time!!! Get a clue before you comment on
Go Constellation program. Time magazine = Greatest invention for 2009. ATK rules
... Keep USA #1 in Space.
So wrong on so many levels. The ignorant all or nothing nonsense of political
true believers both conservative and liberal. It's not a question of whether we
should have government programs, taxation etc. The distinctions are how much
taxation, how much spending and on which programs. How much is enough? Certainly
national defense can't be provided, and the nation's transportation
infrastructure could not have been built or maintained by the private sector
alone.NASA, is the same. No private company has the capital or
direct profit incentive to send a man to the moon or Mars. It's high tech
coupled with exploration and discovery. Dream you say?Republicans
and Democrats have cut worthy NASA programs previously, and it is always
political, pandering to constituents who don't know how much of our economy and
the way we live derives from space exploration. It's not just a few thousand ATK
jobs in Utah, stupid, it's millions of jobs outside of NASA. For 1/2 of 1% of
the federal budget, NASA helps create many times that in jobs and economic
growth outside of government. Our future is in doing, not in retrenchment.