Better look over your shoulder Riley.....The curse of BIG BLUE is
coming to get YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just hope Bronco doesn't pull a Pete Carroll and start Heaps because he is the
sexy name. The best player should should start no matter what.
Didn't Ty Detmer start as a true freshman? I recall a Wyoming game in which he
was thrown into the fire as a Freshman.
Detmer redshirted his 1st year at BYU. He first started a game as a redshirt
freshman not a true freshman.
So far he is the best player, and unless that changes that's probably who will
I'm confident that Bronco will choose the best player for the position, and I'm
excited to see who that will be. I've no doubt that any one of the three will
I just hope they pick one guy and one guy only. a platoon at QB never works.
We are loaded at QB. We're going to have at least 3 guys who would all do great
starting for us. Like LaVell Edwards used to say back in the late 70's and early
80's it's a nice problem to have.
should start! Don't burn his redshirt year unless he's the one.
Who cares what they say now... of coarse they,re going to sing praises of all
their QB's now. Heaps will start unles he's terrible and he's not terrible. It
will serve Nielsen right to be a career back up for leaving Utah St.
Is number 1 right now as quarterback.
Over hyped Heaps + depleated OLine = 5-7 season.He'll be lucky to
make it to his sophmore season.
Let's see...The Cougars won a conference championship with Senior
John Beck at QB, then proceeded to win two of the next three conference
championships.Last year the Cougars had to move a tight end to the
offensive line, and DT Gerald McCoy of Oklahoma who will go anywhere from #2 to
#6 in the NFL draft was virtually invisible.The Cougars will have a
great running game to take pressure of whichever QB, and they will do just
I am a Ute fan, but I have to say, the Y would be crazy not to start Heaps.
Heaps did the Y a favor, and the Y should return it. If you disagree, you are
being arrogant. He could have gone to much better programs, but chose not to do
so. Of the current Y QB's, he has much more raw talent and potential. While he
may be younger and less experienced, the Y should take advantage and INVEST in
building this kid into the greatest Y QB in history. It might not happen, but
of all the QB recruits to sign with the Y, who has had more potential than this
to become the greatest Y QB in history? It will only happen if he gets 4 years
of development and experience. Just the honest thoughts of a die hard Ute
You're jealous as usual of our outstanding QBs. Our 4th string would start for
Firstly Ty never started a game his freshman year. Yes he played a lot, but
never actually started a game, until his sophomore year. He finished agianst
Wyoming and Colorado. The colorado game was in the freedom bowl, where he was
named MVP, but he never started as a freshman. And as for you ute trolls that
remain anonymous. The O-line is not depleated they are holding most guys out of
spring drills. they should have around 10 O-linemen when the season starts and
how can you call someone Over Hyped when you have never seen him even take a
college snap. GO back to your ute posts, OH yeah no one cares about utah. And
as for your QB. He is a twig and will be broken before the season ends.
Coach made a great point, we are trying to be National Champs, and we have a
very good chance. I think we red shirt Heaps and let Riely win the National
title back to back years, and then have Heaps hold the mantle for three stright
years proceeding that. Do I hear 5 peat! I think so...
As a BYU fan I expect them to win 8 games this year. They will probably end up
3rd in conference. That isn't a knock on the talent. That is just the reality of
inexperience. In a couple of years BYU looks to be absolutely dominant but they
need experience before that happens.
I'm a die hard Y fan and I completely agree with the Ute Fan. Heaps had many
choices coming out of HS and if he is the best QB he should start. He shouldn't
be favored or hurt for being a true freshman. If he wins the job- then play
Riley may start the season as the starter but heaps will finish the season as
the starter. may be about the third game.
Not only could Heaps have gone elsewhere, he was instrumental in recruiting
other top talent to the Y. If he is in fact the best quarterback this year,
that loyalty and leadership should be rewarded with the starting job. In the
end, the best quarterback (= talent, leadership, confidence) should start,
regardless of their tenure with team.
I am worried that everyone is so afraid that Heaps will leave that they will
start him no matter what. Heaps is NOT Olson, he probably won't leave if he
doesn't start right away. Lets give all of the quarterbacks a good look before
ordaining him the "greatest qb in BYU history".
Jason Munns will be the wild card in all of this. He already knows most of the
plays. (He redshirted before his mission.) He played in a similar style in high
school so he knows the reads. (At least that's what I read on his bio online.)
IF (and it's a big IF) he's in shape, the fall qb battle could be very
Seriously cougar fans...you are no where near a national championship! Unless
you guys can get out of the conference, you won't get the shot.That is the pure
truth.However, Heaps will be the GREATEST QB in BYU History. When he
was 12 he would have single handedly dismantled the Mountain West Conference.
Now he's 18 playing with the poise of Peyton Manning. I predict that he'll make
the Wheaties box his Sophomore year, and have a trophy named after him during
year three. Then we'll have to say adios to the Legend as he'll leave for the
NFL...he'll obviously be the number 1 pick in the draft with 3 Heisman trophies
in his back pocket. Mark it down!
I hope they start this guy. But the big problem and Q mark is the mission. Red
shirting, mission and so on destroys a player (think Ben Olson) because it takes
a player away from the game for 3-4 years. This is a HUGE obstacle. If Heaps
can play, does play, and avoids the redshirt mission trap he could be great!
BYU is fortunate to have the stable of Qb's they now have to work with. Being
from WA.,I have followed Heaps's HS. career.I have seen film and two of his
State play-off games.Back in the 60's and 70's when I was still coaching HS
Fotball, I would have to compare his level of development ,as a senior in high
school,like that of the better Jr. College Qb's in the country after playing a
year or two at that level. I think he is that far along in his development.He
still has a lot to learn, but he will get there.Riley Nelson and James Lark
appear to be Quality Qb's as well.I just have not seen Lark in action, and saw
very little of Nelson last year.I did like what little I did see.Wish they had
played him more than they did, so he could have thrown the ball under game
conditions.It will be an interesting spring and fall.Gooo...Cougs.
Please indulge me one more time. Follow the great Johnny Wooden model in UCLA
basketball. He won ten national championships with it. Choose talent over
experience. That's what Wooden always said.Do you remember when
Engemann was our QB? We regularly substituted a quarterback right out of
Richfield High (Pendleton?) and kept the number one HS quarterback in the nation
on our bench. Go figure.
Heaps has his head on his shoulders, not in the clouds. He knows that the best
QB will start and play the season, if that's not him then he won't mind he'll
just keep working hard and take advantage of all opportunities that come his
Coach Doman, please reconcile your statement about Heaps, "He's got a long ways
to go to understand the offense and efficiently move the team around," with this
summary taken from this same article: "Heaps stood out Tuesday during 11-on-11
drills, engineering an 83-yard touchdown drive during a two-minute offense
situation. He completed 7 of 7 passes in a drive that culminated with a 7-yard
touchdown toss to Spencer Hafoka. Heaps also completed passes to O'Neill
Chambers, Matt Marshall, Marcus Mathews, and McKay Jacobson on that drive. On
the day, Heaps finished 9-9 for 97 yards."I guess 100% accuracy
throwing to 5 receivers and a touchdown is not efficiently moving the team
around, in your eyes? None of the other QBs are moving the offense with
anything close to that level of efficiency.
Cougar Nate, you are wrong. Detmer started and played the entire game against
New Mexico is RS Freshman year. He threw for about 360 and 5 TD's. I remember
because I was there hoping he would start the remainder of the games.
So far there is absolutely no reason to think Heaps won't start. Other than Ben
Olson, he is the top rated QB to EVER come to BYU. He enrolled early to nullify
the small experience gap (Nelson and Lark really only have practice experience).
And he seems to be doing fantastic the first two weeks of spring ball. I see no
reason why he would not start. We have a solid o-line and run game to take off
initial pressure. At a bare minimun he seems every bit as capable as the two
older QBs so that alone is reason to get the freshman in.I still
think Lark will make a good push and it will end up being Lark and Heaps getting
the majority of snaps the first part of fall camp. It will be Heaps-Lark 1 and 2
going into the Washington game. The odd man out is definitely Munns. If Heaps
starts and Lark is a solid #2 he really has no future short of injury. I see him
transferring and Nelson moving to slot or safety.Don't forget -
without 3 terrible injuries Ben Olson would be in the NFL today.
I also remember the New Mexico game Detmer started. The starting QB Sean Covey
was injured and couldn't play that week. Detmer also saved our bacon in a relief
role in at least 3 games he finished; against TCU, Hawaii, and the bowl game
against Colorado. I remember him finishing losses against Wyoming, Utah, and
Miami. Detmer was a redshirt freshman and the year was 1988.
at BYU is soo overhyped and talked about. Sure they have produces some descent
qb's but no heisman winners or top nfl draft picks or anything like that in the
last 15 years or so. The only two guys that really did anything at the next
level were young and McMahon. The byu/lds community makes such a big deal about
the BYU QB posiiton. Sorry but the QB factory is USC. Rodney Peete,Carson
Palmer, Matt Leinart,John David Booty,Mark Sanchez,Matt Cassell, Rob johnson
Heaps has stated several times to sources as well as the media that he is not
planning on going on a mission. He actually noted Tim Tebow and said he thought
he could be that kind of vocal religious influence without leaving on a mission.
But, a lot changes when you're on campus and everyone is preparing to go, so who
USC is the epitomy of overhyped. Every year it's "USC for national champs" and
they recruit as well as any school in the country and then loose to Oregon State
or Stanford. Now they just went 9-4 and their coach is Lame Kiffin so don't even
get me started about overhyped.
1. Interesting quote about Heaps from Doman in today's KSL post:"He
can drop back and launch the ball around the field, which the other two guys
can't quite do it the way he does it. But they're still pretty adequate that
way," He goes on to praise Nelson's running ability and Lark's poise
and strength but he basically said that Heaps is the best passer. In the same
article Brian Logan - the one guy who ought to know best - said Heaps has
already impressed him the most. Unless Heaps hits some unexpected wall I simply
see no reason we won't be seeing our first true freshman opening game starter. I
for one and extremely excited about that.2. The fact that we have
such a strong offensive line and running game makes it that much easier to start
a true freshman QB. 3. To "the whole QB thing" - I am just as
excited to see who will be the starting TE or who will emerge as the primary
backup RB behind Unga. Of course we are excited about the QB battle - just like
the Utes were during their preseason last year.
Nice try, only Palmer has really done anything out of that bunch. The jury is
still out on Leinart, Sanchez and Cassell.
You're right "Brandon Domanding". Doman should tell Heaps that he has arrived
and has nothing to improve upon. This would be a GREAT move for a coach during
Many of you Heaps supporters are forgetting the amazing stats that Riley Nelson
racked up in his senior year alone. Get over the Heaps hype. Nelson is the
full package, more mature, and has appropriately fulfilled his religious
obligations. And, no, I'm not Riley's granny...don't know him or anyone in his
Heaps and Lark also had amazing stats in hs. Nelson is a good athlete. But
unless BYU decides to run the Wildcat offense this season, Nelson simply is not
in the Heaps-Nelson league as a pure drop back passer.BYU has a
couple of excellent downfield receivers in Jacobson and Appo. Nelson is not
built to take advantage of them like Heaps and Lark. Nelson simply is a faster
version of Hall. Hall was productive but also the product of great timing. He
came in between several QBs all of whom would have beaten him out in head to
head battles - Olson, Beck, Lark, Munns and now Heaps. With everything else
even, Hall is #6 on that list in terms of talent. Timing is everything for BYU
QBs.But I digress. Heaps is FAR more than just his hype or hs stats.
He excelled in all-star camps and games against the very best hs QBs and is
playing like a senior the first week of spring ball. Yes he came in with hype -
but now we are witnessing why. He is simply the best pure passer we have had in
Provo in a long long time.
First of all, the name is Nelson, NOT Nielsen. Secondly, this is
really simple people. All else equal among the QB contenders, you play the
FRESHMAN! Even if Heaps is slightly below the level of Nelson, you go with Jake
because he has the most UPSIDE. He has four years to hone his skills. Imagine
the stability to the program, and the proficiency Heaps would gain with being a
four year starter.
The player who performs best should start. Period. All the extra hype and
speculation is useless. The nice thing is that if the starter's game goes south
or if there's an injury, the coaching staff now has plenty of capable
back-ups.If Riley doesn't start, they should strongly consider
having him run a wild-cat formation for 3rd and short or red-zone situations. Or
once in a blue moon put him in as a wide out to run some trick plays (bounce
pass, reverse pass etc)
I like all the positives I'm hearing from Spring Football. Thank heavens we
have something to keep our minds busy until football next fall. I know I'll get
blasted for this, but maybe it'll make sense to platoon at QB next fall. It's
really too early to tell, but it sounds like Heaps may win the job. No matter
what, he'll be a true freshman. There will be times when he's rattled or
injured. Enter Nelson or Lark to help out. BYU lucked out during most of the
Hall years with very limited back up experience at the QB position. (lucky Hall
wasn't hurt more) Maybe letting Heaps start and keeping the other QB's on a
short leash is the answer. Blast away nay sayers.
Heaps would have started at Tennessee this year had he chosen to go there. So
why wouldn't he start at BYU?I wouldn't be surprised to see Munns or
I noticed last week that the cornerbacks from BYU seemed to give praise to Heaps
and his ability to get the ball downfield. They indicated that as a corner, he
had to play a different game and play the receiver differently when Heaps is
directing the offence. Coaches are more cautious but sounds like Heaps has more
passing tools than his competitors. Go Cougs
Heaps is not from Issaquah but Sammamish, WA where Skyline High is located. I
wish the DesNews sporting staff would get this right.The Heaps lived
in our neighborhood for a few years, he, his sister and parents are great
people. His poise, pinpoint passing and overall game maturity will take him far
in collegiate football. The Cougie staff should dispense with the suspense and
name him their starter now. He should be taking all of the first team snaps.
It's clear he's the future of the program.
To "Dear Granny"... I appreciate your thoughtful perspective, but I still
stand by my comments. Did you mean "Heaps-Lark" league? No matter, I hope that
BYU has a great football team for many years to come. And that any area team
with a deserving record can bust the BCS again. Digressing from the
original article, does anyone know when "The Mountain" network contract with the
MWC will be over? I can't afford the satellite service nor game tickets so my
only chance to see an occasional game was/is on a major network or a rebroadcast
on BYU TV. Do I understand correctly that some university administrations
didn't get a complete briefing on the ramifications of the deal before they
signed? Not casting blame, just asking.
Whoever the best QB is should start. Heaps seems to be the most productive so if
he keeps it up he should start. Experience is huge in collegiate football and
since Riley has had experience, he'll get his shots too. Lark is a great QB too
and will make a great push to start. In the end, it shouldn't be about hype or
this kid could've gone somewhere or experience alone because all these things
don't compete on the field. It's the player who competes in the game. If Heaps
could've gone somewhere else then he would've if he wanted to. Since he came
here he has to fight for his chance and obviously he's doing an outstanding job.
Whoever is the best will play. I don't think Munns has as much of a chance
unless he's spectacular from day one. He's already 6 months behind these QB's.
That's my two cents, but it's fun to read about these guys competing. I think
we'll have another 10-win season regardless.
If Jake is already looking better than Riley in spring ball he will start for
the Cougs this fall. Riley should be blowing Jake out of the water at this point
with all of his 'experience'. Jake has never taken a snap in a college game and
he is already on the same level as Riley? Are you kidding me? This wont even be
close in Aug. Go Cougs!!!
I can't wait to drive down to Tallahassee with my 'Noles neighbor fan and watch
that game. It will be different then last year.
Why do they call a player's time in college football a "career"? Doesn't a
'career' denote the fact that a player was paid?If that is the case
then a player must be in the SEC conference to call it a career.Oh,and go BYU. They have they enviable task of selecting from a stable of good
quarterbacks. All 3-4 players could be starting in on most MWC teams.
USC has done more in 1o years than BYU has done in 20. Enough said! Remember the
last time you played SC? That's right!
and with all that history, the Trojans last season still lost to FOUR conference
opponents, one with a losing record, and BARELY beat a FIFTH opponent, Arizona
State...at Washington(5-7) L 13-16at Arizona State(4-8) W 14-9
Enough with who we all think should be starting next year. The coaches see them
everyday in practice and they do know more than us despite what some fans may
think. The coaches will make the right decission when it comes to game time in
September! But it is still fun to talk about! :)
Is bad to you? USc fans are furious about last year's 9-4 season. WE should be
going to the NC or major BCS bowl every year. WE EXPECT to get there where as
you hope you'll get there. Do you really wanna talk smack on USC? REally?
UW, ASU, Oregon, Arizona are still better consistently than SDSU,COLO st., New
Mexico,Whyoming, Air force, UNLV every year. Those schools are horrible, ok fine
maybe once in awhile Air force will have a decent year but even they went 8-5 in
that conf? C'mon!
People say that you shouldnt put too much stock in spring ball... Well, I
understand its just practice but I feel a lot better about 7-7 and 83 yards in a
two min drill than 0-7 and 0 yards in a two min drill. Just sayin'. Jake will be
our starter this fall.
All of the football programs have great players coming up next year. Great
competition is great for developing even greater players, and that goes for
competition between teams as well as competition for a position on a team. I
hope every player will give there all. Then BYU will have a great team. But
any juvenile thinking that our third string would start at our competition
lessens personal integrity and shows a disrespect that is unearned and
Heaps is getting his reps with the 1st team recievers it is a rotation that all
3 QB's will get. So for now good work Heaps and may you have continued success.
The troubling scenerio is around the "O" Line, it has been wittled down to 5
healthy players !!! This is a very serious position to be in for a team that is
poised to perhaps start a freshman QB with a patch work "O" line, very troubling
Year after year, consistently, USC has the best college football team -- money
can buy -- that isn't based in Florida.
I trust the coaching staff to make the best decisions as to who does what. They
are the professionals. Go Cougs!
There is no way Heaps starts. How many true freshman do you see starting in
college football?? It's probably around 2%. I see Nelson as the starter this
year and next, followed by Munns or Lark, then Heaps comes in his Junior year.
That's the best part, all 3 could start eventually!!
RE: Heaps won't startYou got it right.
If Nelson is named the starting QB, it means 2 years out of Heaps' career, don't
kid yourselves, he would not be happy and it could very easily turn into a Ben
Olsen type of thing, and don't be surprised if several others go with him. I
never fail to be amazed at the consistently ignorant "Anonymous" statements.
He really did not do anything when he played as a back up. He has never shown he
can throw down field and stretch the defense. A very valuable trait that totally
changes the way defenses defend BYU. Heaps can stretch the field and
that opens up the running game and helps take pressure off of the short passing
game. Nelson can run but that is best utilized in special
situations. BYU is not going to change it's offense to leverage Nelson's primary
strength. Why should Heap sit just because he is a freshman. That is
stupid and biased. If he can run the team better he should run it. He will only
get better with more reps.The team will follow someone who gains
yards and scores. They do not care if the QB is a freshman as long as they win.
So far Heaps looks a lot better than last years starter. Unless
something has changed from last year, I do not see Nelson leading this team to a
championship. He is fine as a back up but I saw nothing last year that indicated
he could win 12 games a year.
Re: Heaps wont startIf Bronco ever comes out and actually says that
he'll NEVER start a true freshman I could see where your point is valid. Bronco
will start the best QB period. If that happens to be Jake then I guess he ranks
in your 2%.
Heaps will start and Riley will be the back up. Reason #1. Heaps
brings other talent. When you (as a quarterback) bring the 13 best
receiver in the country according to scout: Ross Apo (He was recruited by Texas,
Oklahoma State, etc.)to your program - you start him. Additionally, 3 other
players are in the program because of Heaps. Reason #2. Unga. BYU
offense's strength is their running game and Offensive Line (yes they have some
depth issues, but I think they will be fine). This will allow Heaps to have
less stress, and limit his rookie mistakes. Reason #3. Because
Riley is going to be made the 2nd team and he will still get playing time every
game. The Cougars will to attempt to bring Riley in for the Wild Cat, or they
will use him for trick plays.
Why is BYU playing mind games? Why would they have Lark and Nelson handing the
ball off and let Heaps throw it? It looks to me like byu is trying to
create controversy.Heaps = Hype.
Ah, naked conjecture - such a beautiful thing, and so amusing. I especially
enjoyed the guy telling Brandon Doman how to do his job - or maybe offering to
be his PR agent. Yes, few sights are as amusing as people who don't know what
they are talking about making very definite statements of "fact."That said, this next season should be very interesting.
Ty didn't start until the Freedom Bowl at season's end. He led the Cougs to a
win playing a real Colorado team, not CU Lite with Dan Hawkins, (Bronco's pal in
town for a job interview) destroyed the program. Ty started the next year, (his
soph) with a 2 concussion loss at Wyoming, followed by a kick butt win over
TEXAS. As they say the rest is history. If there is fairness in this world, Jake
will start and never let go of the position. He has incredible accuracy and
poise. You don't become the #1 QB in all of the US, playing in an out of the
way, (not Big-10, or SEC, or Big 12 country) unless you have that "thing" that
makes Montana's, Young, and Marino's great, and Jake has it. Riley will continue
to play when you need a running QB to shorten the defense. With a bucket full of
6-4 to 6-6 receivers with speed, and Jake, this team can go anywhere they wish.
Doman Said:"You look around the country, and there's been some true
freshmen who have succeeded, but they're not taking their teams to
championships. We want to win a championship. We need to make sure that if
Jake's the starter, that we're 100 percent confident that we're on our way to a
championship with him."Um, Brandon, I respect you a lot and enjoyed
watching you play when you were at BYU, but I really hope you are talking about
a MWC championship, and not having a delusion of grandeur about BYU winning
another National Championship. Sorry, I love the Cougars, but that is not
happening again. Ever.
I'm sure Brandon was talking about being 100% confident about winning a MWC
championship, if BYU starts a true freshman at QB.That said, no true
Cougar fan would ever rule out the possibility of the Cougars EVER winning
another national championship.At best you're one of those bandwagon
Cougar fans who is only around when BYU is having a championship season.More likely, you're just a Utah troll.
Riley Nelson was the most accurate passer i've ever seen in high school; sure it
was against 3A bo daggets but still; to hit a man in stride time after time is
good stuff. And vs lark in the playoffs he was 10 times the passer. and he can
6-4 to 6-6 receivers with speed? WHo on that team has future nfl draft pick
speed and hands? Or are you saying good speed for byu's perspective. Besides
Mcay the don't have any real speed at wide out.
Nelson's strengths were ideal for the spread game in high school, where defenses
are often stocked with lesser athletes and coached by average guys. He is
quick, highly intelligent and he does throw an accurate ball. He had a great
run his senior year. His TEAM in the 3A championship game was much, much better
than Lark's. Logan's defensive line gave Lark no chance. That said,
it was Lark who got all the big time offers (including BYU) and the reasons were
pretty simple. Lark is bigger, faster and has a much bigger arm. Physically,
he is a much better fit for what BYU tries to do. I take nothing away from
Nelson, but the head to head in high school is virtually meaningless.
Riley Nelson is a great kid. He is a very accurate QB and has good athleticism.
But his arm is limited and he simply cannot make the throws that Lark and
especially Heaps can make. His practice experience last year has all but been
nullified at this point with Heaps coming in early. The bottom line is that he
simply does not have the arm that Heaps and Lark (and Munns) have and will
steadily fall back in the pecking order. Hall was lucky to come in between all
these better passers or he would have been in the same boat. Nelson is very much
like Hall - solid, accurate but somewhat limited in the array of throws he can
effectively make.The thing about Nelson, however, is that I think he
has the makeup to accept a backup role and be very supportive. Therefore, I see
a much greater chance of Lark or Munns eventually transferring as they will want
their chance to run a team. All four will not stay here guaranteed.
for any of the 3 to start, but they can't lose if they get to have a good BYU
school experience - it really is a "special" place, and I mean that from my
heart and not in a putdown sort of way. I've never regretted having gone there
even though my entire direction in career changed from matriculation to
graduation. Life has been good, and largely from the influences I experienced
there via bumping elblows with most of the students I met... there were few
negative experiences on any front.
HUH?? This article is about Jake heaps and football right?
Where did these USC jokers come from. That's great that with every recruiting
advantage money can buy you've done so much in the last five years, but we'll
see how that works out for you if you face sanctions. Back to the topic.It's really exciting to see heaps playing so well at this point. I
really didn't expect to see him doing anything until the end of spring camp and
I don't think it will even be a close race by the end if the three players are
close now, but it's hard to know exactly what's going on based on a few quotes
from coaches as things change from day to day.
poor defense to me....Or was the "saint" THROWING AGAINST THE 3rd. D ???? Come
on now-tell us the real story?!And for Riley....told ya that leaving
USU was a mistake----guess you can't believe all the hype you were given to come
to the YBu!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: win win win original post......man, do you guys just always find the need to
go gaa gaa? And I bet you never have to do laundry either?! Now why would you
not have to do laundry?Read between the lines with this guy--nothing but
"all's well in la la land"! He should have been one of the Tele-tubbies!
talking about a bunch of average unproven qb's who the BYU/LDS football
community makes it this privileged position to play. Get real people! BYU QB
factory has been shut down for some time now. What has the last "GREAT" BYU qb
done? Oh that's right he's in broadcasting his namr is Steve young, the rest of
the "GREAT" Qb's never made it in the LEAGUE, oh and making it doesn't mean you
stand on the sidelines next to VINNY T. THe whole BYU QB is such a myth now and
you guys wanna talk and argue about who should start? Talk about the DB's and
how they will get exposed because they have no depth, or the TALL SLOW WR's they
gave been drooling over.
The only thing that is a joke here is you guys arguing and talking about a bunch
of unproven qb's. I do not want to hear you guys talking about winning another
byu "MYTHICAL" National Championship. What part of, Were only an average
football team we go to Vegas every year don't you understand. The thing that I
don't get is you guys attack these kids with your crazy thoughts, and you guys
don't even know them. DO what other fans do across the country and just sit and
watch. And at the end of summer ball then you can make your crazt comments. Oh
and get there before the scrimmages start, I know how byu fans sroll into games
and things 10 minutes late.
I was kicked out of BYU before finding a way back in later, and was on a
scholarship there - just FYI. The article and comments carried a lot of
comments about the 3 in the running, thus WIN WIN WIN. These kids are in
college... There's more to the place and experience than who's taking snaps.
(btw, I count 4 NFL starting qb's as college friends from that time period -
Giff, Marc, McMahon and Steve) I'm certainly NOT an "all is well in zion" guy,
in fact I think BYU is hardly ever coming to their potential in national play
and comment the same on these comment pages from time to time. And yes, I have
my own clothes washer and dryer since you brought up laundry. ;) None of this
followup negates my original comment, and I've referred MANY non-lds kids to BYU
and all came back with the same assessment regardless how they felt about LDS
doctrines etc. - none was sorry they went. not one.
Nobody cares here what you want, so get lost little Utah troll!As I
recall, there was plenty of debate among Utah fans about Utah's starting QB that
started during spring practice and continued until the end of the season.BYU's 1984 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP is every bit as legitimate as any other
major college football national championship ever won.btw, BYU will
continue talking about winning another national championship all we want to, if
nothing more, than to irritate jealous Utah fans like U.
No other choice.
"Legitimate" in a technical sense only. In the modern era no other team won the
title by beating a 6-5 team in a mid-level bowl game. It was far from consensus
with Florida, Nebraska and Washington getting the nod from a number of the other
polls that were around in '84. Bryant Gumbel went so far as to call BYU's title
an absolute joke and disgrace. Fact is that Utah's win over Alabama has
generated much more respect nationally than BYU's "national championship."
Wow dude - you are the epitome of hatred. You are the reason Max Hall made the
mistake of generalizing all Ute fans. He meant you and a few other losers like
you who make it seem all Ute fans are the same. Do you really think
BYU fans are alone in their preseason hype and talk? We don't even come close to
some of the big BCS programs and fans. We are simply doing what all fans do -
get involved in and excited about the upcoming season and position battles. You,
on the other hand, are doing what very few do - focus on and hate another team
far more than I'm sure you like the Utes or whatever team you chear for. What an
The poster who said that Gerald McCoy was invisible or non-existent in our win
last year needs to go back and watch the game again. He dominated the trenches.
BYU didn't have a spectacular offensive game and much of that was because of
"It was far from consensus with Florida, Nebraska and Washington getting the nod
from a number of the other polls that were around in '84."Despite
the constant whiny little temper tantrums thrown by jealous Utah fans, BYU did
win a consensus National Championship in 1984!From the OFFICIAL NCAA
website:NCAA HistoryFootball Bowl SubdivisionConsensus
National ChampionsYear School Selecting organization 1983
Miami (Fla.) AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI 1984 Brigham Young AP, FWAA, NFF,
USA/CNN, UPI 1985 Oklahoma AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI Absolutely NO DIFFERENCE between Miami's 1983 championship and Oklahoma's 1985
championship and BYU's 1984 Nationaly Championship.AP Final Poll1. BYU (38) 13-0 1,1602. Washington (16) 11-1 1,1403. Florida (6)
9-1-1 1,0924. Nebraska 10-2 1,017
"Fact is that Utah's win over Alabama has generated much more respect nationally
than BYU's "national championship." Hardly! 25 years later,
sportscasters still mention BYU's 1984 National Championship (and not in a
derogatory fashion) when talking about BYU football.25 years from
now, no one, except for diehard Utah fans, will even remember Utah's Sugar Bowl
win. It won't be anymore significant than any other major bowl win.As in every other major sport, the champions are always remembered. Runnersup
are seldom remembered except, sometimes, in the context of not quite making it.
WHy is it you say aomething about BYU, the fans take it so personal like it was
about them or their family? Let it go! I can voice my opinion right? I know how
you LDS BYU people love freedom, as do I so I can voice my opinion all IK
want. Just don't take it so serious as an attack to you. WOW
Being excited for your team vs. shouting out arrogance and being unrealistic.
BYU fans shout out arrogance like it's fact, and If you don't agree they take it
very personal and attack you. It's true!
Is talking about BYU's 1984 NC? Today's broadcasters are talking about how Utah
cracked the BCS and won and then beat SEC power in the Sugar Bowl. No one
remembers BYU won in 1984. YOour only fan base is member's of the church. And
not evan all of them are byu fans. You guys don't get it.
"No one remembers BYU won in 1984."The fact is EVERYBODY who knows
anything about the history of college football before the BCS takeover of colleg
football remembers BYU's 1984 National Championship, despite the delusions of
some BYU haters who wish nobody remembered.--------------------------------------------Los Angeles TimesAugust 16, 2009 | Doug Alden, Alden writes for the Associated Press.SALT LAKE CITY – "BYU is preparing to celebrate the 25th
anniversary of one of the most unlikely national championship teams.The Cougars of 1984 went from unranked to the top of the polls, beating every
team on the schedule and the college football system to claim the national
title, despite playing in a conference that was often overshadowed by America's
rich and powerful leagues."
"Legitimate in a technical sense only"-- In what other sense could a
championship be "legitimate"? Theoretical, spiritual? By the way, at the time, a
consensus champion was one that was recognized by the AP and UPI. Whatever
1984's version of the ESPN fan polls were don't count. Are there any other
schools claiming a portion of the '84 title?
Year after year USC has the best college football team, that's not based in
Florida, and, um, mostly doesn't lose to Oregon State. . .And yet
they can't seem to live up to their hype. . .EVER.Oh and the last
time BYU played USC, the Trojans beat Coach Crowton! Wow big accomplishment.UNLV managed to do the same. Congratulations.
1984 is the reason the BCS exists.
Washington and Nebraska were both invited to play BYU in the Holiday Bowl in
1984. Both were at-large teams (not being locked in to the Rose or
Orange Bowls as champions of the Pac 10 or Big 8 conferences respectively), but
both turned down their invitations to play #1-ranked BYU for the National
Championship in the Holiday Bowl, so they could play in more prestigious
bowls.The Huskies and Huskers chose $$$ over playing for a national
championship.If you want to blame someone for BYU playing Michigan
for the national championship, blame Washington and Nebraska.They
had a choice.BYU did not.
How did this conversation get from quarterbacks to legitimate national
championship? Both sides need to come back to reality. The championship is in
the way distant past. Today is about selecting a quarterback. And if Heaps
believes that there is even the slightest chance he won't start, he needs to
contact his publicist and get this mess corrected! Never let an opportunity to
toot your own horn go to waste!After all (and you know its
If BYU plays USC again the same result will happen. Riley Nelson or Heaps would
be running for their lives all day and throwing picks. BYU's db's wouldn't be
able to cover Rojo,Prater,Baxter,Flourney, Ausberry. The best
coaches, best players, best tradition . . . USC
I think the coaches are keeping it mum because they want the qb's to compete
this hard all the way up until gametime. Fierce competition always makes for
better players and more intensity on the field. If when the fall comes Heaps has
not beaten out the other two then they will likely redshirt him. Probably the
best move in that circumstance. I am a Huskies fan and I will tell you whether
it be Heaps or Riley we will have our hands full on defense come this fall. I am
also LDS so root for the cougs whenever the 2 don't play. I agree, Heaps could
take this team higher than it has ever gone if he is handled right. And by
higher than its ever gone, I mean actually be considered by everyone a national
champion. It will be a great game this september either way and am looking
forward to it. Also, I think the cougars win at least 10 again this year. Bronco
is a better coach than people give him credit for.
re: '84 championship | 1:31 p.m. March 25, 2010Actually, Bryant
Gumbel made his comment about a month before BYU was named the Consensus
National Champion. The comment was in response to BYU first being ranked #1 in
the Country in BOTH major Polls.There were virtually no arguments by
Coaches and/or the Media against BYU being named National Champions after the
Bowl Games were complete. Hence, both the Coachs (UPI) and the Media (AP) named
the Cougars overwhelmingly National Champs.BYU Fans have heard the
lame arguments for over 25 years now. The truth of the matter is: BYU has a
National Championship Trophy in the Student Athlete Center. The NCAA Record
Books, the Media, and all the History in the World indicate that BYU was the
National Champions in 1984. It doesn't matter that Billy-Bob's Football Rankin'
Pole may have named Washington or Nebraska. The recognized Polls of the era
were the UPI and AP.Will BYU ever win another? Maybe not. As Fans,
we have to believe they can. As Rivals, you can doubt. But niether Fans or
Rivals can deny that the BYU National Championship is HISTORY. FACT.
Twist it and turn it however you wish BYU fans, the '84 championship is the
least respected of them all, as well it should be. Sorry.
Really, hummmm can you explain why they have lost in Oregon the last 2 years a
loss to washington, and ended the regular season loss to Arizona at HOME.Too bad USC chickened out to play BYU in the Vegas Bowl, probably to
save themselves from embarrassment and send pete out as a winner.BYU
USC would of run BYU off the field. We lost to Oregon the last two seasons? I
thought we beat them 44-10 in 2008. Go look it up genius! USC does not back down
to playing teams especially from the mtn worst, c'mon buddy get real. USC's
record vs. ranked SEC in the last 10 years 5-0 And all those teams were ranked,
and we blew them out. Oh and with a true fresh qb we beat "thee" ohio state at
their home. So before you go popping off about playing in the sandbox league
with unlv and whyoming's of the world, It'd always good to have a sense of
reality, you outta try it sometime. FIGHT ON!
USC or FLorida fans are looking back and debating which NC's were real or not?
NO! But here in Utah you have mto defend a "NC" to everyone. WE get it you won a
"NC" in 1984 so what! What havr you done lately?
Let’s by honest. BYU will never again be successful on a National stage.
Simply put, Kewgs don’t have access to enough blue chip athletes to win in
Football and Basketball, PERIOD. Not a lot of upside for bigger aspirations.Feel good about beating the Utes because really, that’s all you
Anonymous | 7:25 a.m. March 26, 2010 "Let’s by honest. BYU will
never again be successful on a National stage. Simply put, Kewgs don’t
have access to enough blue chip athletes to win in Football and Basketball,
PERIOD. Not a lot of upside for bigger aspirations.Feel good about
beating the Utes because really, that’s all you got."Yea, and
what makes it even better, is that with all of the athletes, etc. that utah has
we've still beaten you 3 out of the last 4 (even with slow, white boys), and
swept you in basketball.Come up with a different argument buddy.
What is our answer for TCU??? Any suggestions. I don't think we will ever beat
TCU again. A blow out now 2 years in a row.
@ TCU blew us out,The answer is different players, different
abilities. TCU was excellent last year. Many of those guys are gone now. This is
not professional ball. They didn't sign those players to contracts!
Actually most of TCUs players are returning. Speculation is they will be ranked
in the top ten to start the season, as well as BSU.
Back to the QB thing, as a USU fan, I think it would be poetic justice if Heaps
starts and Riley wasted his college career at BYU. Unfortunately, I would really
feel bad for him.
"The answer is different players, different abilities. TCU was excellent last
year. Many of those guys are gone now." I wish Kewgs would think
before the yap. TCU will have all but one of their players back this year.Expect another beatdown.
"and has appropriately fulfilled his religious obligations"It's no
wonder so many BYU-haters find BYU fans self-righteous and holier-than-thou.
This is football, the best player should start, not the one who has the most
scripture-mastery scriptures memorized. Being judgemental about football
ability is one thing, but you sound like you are judging football players based
on the spiritual check-boxes they complete.I hope your boss doesn't
make the same judgement about you when deciding who to promote. "Let's promote
the guy who is the Bishop in his ward, because he's the one who has
appropriately fulfilled his religious obligations."BTW, I am a
died-in-the-wool BYU fan, so don't try to call me a Ute Troll, I can't stand
some BYU fans, but I am Cougar Blue through and through!
You are lucky to have him. If he is better then give him a ride but
beware,Lockers revenge is coming to a stadium near you!
Hey guys I am not from Utah but here in Georgia. I was wondering what happen to
Drew Phillips the running back from Alabama. Is he still with the team and if so
how is he doing with practice. If anyone knows I would appreciate it. I am also
a Jake Heaps fan. Go Cougars.
Heaps should have gone to hawaii and gotten all the NCAA records.
I say let bronco and the coaching staff decide. they know more about football
than 99.9 percent of us.
I like the suggestion that the best option is a 4-year starter. There is little
to nothing supporting that philosophy. Beck didn't do well, really well, until
his senior year. Let the kids learn the system. Right now we're in a weird spot.
We'll see. I promise the coaches know more than we do, and that's fine. Best QB
will start. I'm worried about DBs more than anything.
Best QB will start in fall camp, pretty simple really. At this point it looks
like Heaps is the man, which is fine, a four-year starter is never a bad thing.
Just have to be patient with the road bumps along the way for the first couple
years. Nelson better step his game up if he wants the starting spot.Now to more important things.....how to replace the LBs on defense.
Nelson has the tendency to take off running and scrambling. BYU has always been
a passing program. Unless there will be a complete overhaul by Bronco, BYU
should still keep its passing tradition by getting Heaps the heads up and edge
man if heaps is the starter he better be everything they say,cause we have to
get a good team because of player losses. We could get our butts kicked if the
ob stinks. but heaps is rated 1 in qb high school picks and hes a stand out.
LaVell Edwards Stadium will be filled with "Heaps" of talent for the opening
game. Included: three of the best high school quarterbacks from the State of
Washington - Locker, Heaps, Munns; two of the best QB's from Utah high schools -
Lark, Nelson. On top of that, a kid named "Montana" will be on the Husky
sideline.Too bad that we will likely see only 2 or 3 of those guys
play in the game. Oh yes... and the coaches on the sidelines weren't too shabby
either - Sarkisian and Doman.