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Utah Legislature: House Majority Leader Kevin Garn resigns amid scandal

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  • Oh those "R's"
    March 13, 2010 11:21 a.m.

    Another Republicon goes down. The session began with Kilpack and ends with Garn. More applause from the majority house?

    I hope that more people realize that "R" doens't necessarily equate to "good."

  • Government Man
    March 13, 2010 11:21 a.m.

    One more Republican Leader falls from power. It is a good start. We all need to get out and sign the petitions and register as Democrats. Let's take back our state from the One Party Rule!!

  • just saying
    March 13, 2010 11:21 a.m.

    Desert News, do you care to elaborate on WHY you chose to not expose this story in 2002?

    Stay classy Desert News, stay classy.

  • Adam, the first...
    March 13, 2010 11:26 a.m.

    For once Garn did the right thing. However, his troubles are likely not over. He has some serious explaining to do.

  • john shaw
    March 13, 2010 11:26 a.m.

    Its quite unfortunate that the Deseret News failed to report the story back in 2002 when it had the opportunity to do so after interviewing the now former state senator. It appears that the Deseret News is guilty of journalistic malfeasance in this case.

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 11:27 a.m.

    Good! That is the right thing to do! Those that make our laws, must to live by the law!

  • Wondering
    March 13, 2010 11:27 a.m.

    Where did he get the $150,000 to pay off the girl? Campaign funds? "Friends"?

  • 15 years old
    March 13, 2010 11:29 a.m.

    She was *15*. That's why I can't believe all those legislators applauding this guy. If she had been of age, I would say this is an old private matter between his wife and him, but 15?

  • Good for him
    March 13, 2010 11:30 a.m.

    I certainly hope the standing O he got was because the legislature supports him as a person and not what he did.

    What he did was appalling and I hope he can fix his life.

  • 1985
    March 13, 2010 11:30 a.m.

    I thought the incident took place in 1985, not 1995.

  • Didn't see that coming
    March 13, 2010 11:30 a.m.

    What with all the love, the standing ovation, the mea culpa. Come on, forgive and forget. Oh wait, he got nude with a 15-year-old. Never mind. Start an ethics and FEC investigation, and check the statute of limitations for sex with a minor. Allegedly.

  • unbelievable
    March 13, 2010 11:30 a.m.

    When I saw the photo on the front of the newspaper of the legislators all standing up and clapping for Kevin Garn I couldn't believe it. Why should they stand and applaud his outrageous behavior? I also can't believe that this story was hidden for so long. What has happened to journalism bringing out the truth? How many other cases such as this are being hidden and not being reported. We the American people are sick and tired of such trashy behavior of so called "leaders" in our government.

  • Tallyhoe
    March 13, 2010 11:32 a.m.

    Interesting. Now, let's see what others involved in this dark evolution are going to do. If the woman wrote to Mr. Monson and Garn's bishop and there was no involvement by them, the attorney general needs to investigate whether a crime was covered up.

    Then there is the money. Bribing is illegal. Wondering if the Federal Election Commission will get involved.

    This is an important story because of what it says about Utah and its culture, keeping in mind the DUI legislator before the legislative session started.

  • Eddue
    March 13, 2010 11:34 a.m.

    His statement says twice that he is "sorry". He should have just left it there. He is right. Just plain sorry. What a sorry person to have carried this burdon for so long and under such false pretenses. He needs to come all the way clean and then drop out of site. He not only stole an election by lying, but then made laws while he was sitting in a chair of authority. Granted we are not all perfect, but this kind of deception is just plain wrong. When will all these people learn that the truth will catch up to them at some point. Those who lie and cheat and break the law and then run for public office without letting the voting public know about it and win an election, should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and serve the maximum amount of time.

  • Joe
    March 13, 2010 11:40 a.m.

    How can people in our legislature stand and clap for Kevin Garn after what he has done. His behavior was terrible! Why was this not reported until NOW?
    I am just glad he has resigned.

  • Missed it
    March 13, 2010 11:41 a.m.

    D News you missed it again. According to other articles the incident happened in 1985 not 1995.

  • Now.....
    March 13, 2010 11:42 a.m.

    Now that Mr. Garn has resigned from office, I would hope that the public would now let him handle his situation in a private matter rather than a large public matter as it has the last few days. I am not one who supported Mr. Garn in some of the issues and the way he handled those issues while he was in the Utah legislature, but I do support his right to keep his private life private now that he no longer is a public servant.

  • anonymous
    March 13, 2010 11:43 a.m.

    He made a mistake by making the abuse laws retroactive.

  • wow
    March 13, 2010 11:46 a.m.

    most expensive message i ever heard of no wonder the polygamous are often given carte blanc also!!

  • Earl Hamilition
    March 13, 2010 11:47 a.m.

    Great Garn is gone. Let's clean out the Legislature of these dirty rotten politicians. The Legislature needs a good fall cleaning. We need to stop electing these criminals.

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 11:47 a.m.

    Good!! Yes, he should have served jail time. Those that make our law, must also live by the law!

  • Robert - St. George
    March 13, 2010 11:52 a.m.

    Utah is so humorous to me. What is it with Davis County? Is it that bad up there? It just seems so incredible that all of these religious politicians are such liars. Do as I say, not as I do. Mormons in the Utah Legislature are so critical to people with different lifestyles, such as gays, yet they live in secret against their Church. What is up with that? Why is being gay so much worse than being a hetero 28 year old man raping a 15 year old Sunday School student? Oh yah, its hetero so its considered a normal reaction unlike that unhealthy gay lifestyle. So incredible. 2010 should be the year of a total Non Mormon sweep of the legislature. Lets go. I am glad Garn resigned. He needs help.

  • Just The Beginning
    March 13, 2010 11:52 a.m.

    He would never have been allowed to run for office if the Dnews would of done their job in the first place, he would already of been history.

    Now for those who applauded, do the right thing. This scandle is NOT over.

  • Liberty
    March 13, 2010 11:55 a.m.

    The Deseret News should be ashamed of covering up this story for over eight years. It's one thing to demonstrate bias against liberals and democrats, it's another to abandon journalistic ethics entirely. Is the Deseret News now the Fox News of Utah?

  • Ka ching
    March 13, 2010 11:56 a.m.

    Did any of the $150,000 hush money come from campaign contributions? Of course in Utah that money can be used for most anything - even a brief encounter in a hot tub. Sorry, no briefs were involved.

  • Good First Step
    March 13, 2010 11:58 a.m.

    It was absolutely sickening watching the Utah legislature give Garn a standing ovation for his "admissions." For governor Herbert to give this guy a hug is disgusting.

    This is a black mark on Utah.

  • Sal
    March 13, 2010 11:58 a.m.

    I want to know what Mr Garn did to earn the applause and standing ovation from his colleagues. That implies respect. Does he really deserve that? Shame on all of you legislators.

  • Resignation was the
    March 13, 2010 12:01 p.m.

    Only correct choice Mr. Garn could make! Indications upon his revelation were he would not resign. I am still amazed that there were Utah residents defending his actions! And for him to receive a standing ovation in the House upon completion of his confession speech is disgusting. “Some” of those applauding are the same lawmakers that have passed numerous laws vilifying offenders, many of which took responsibility for their offenses, paid the criminal and financial price for their crimes, and moved on with life. Mr. Garn should be completely investigated for criminal and election law violations and he should pay the price just as any other regular citizen. If lawmakers choose to look the other way, then my respect for those ignorant lawmakers looking the other way is absolutely zero.

  • Hypocrisy
    March 13, 2010 12:01 p.m.

    But these stories are just out of the norm. I mean, most Republican politicians aren't like that in this state.

    We know that, because they never speak highly of or give standing ovations to the true hypocrites who drive drunk and seduce teenage girls, right?

    Oh...wait...

    I'm absolutely loving the ruling elite in this state (and those who support them) being revealed for what they truly are. Keep it coming!

  • he's hiding
    March 13, 2010 12:07 p.m.

    from reality through his words of hypocrasy and gets the standing O and they meet behind closed doors...making deals , tell me it isn't so!!

  • By their friuts, ye shall know t
    March 13, 2010 12:08 p.m.

    And some how, being a Democrat (D)quantifies one as being evil?

  • Lizard
    March 13, 2010 12:10 p.m.

    Hey, the guy had no choice but to resign. He got caught in his own mouse trap.

    Poor abused little mouse, boo hoo. Although don't waste him because there are many starving snakes out there waiting to take his place. Indigestion intended.

  • To just saying | 11:21 a.m.
    March 13, 2010 12:11 p.m.

    Yeah, it was just the News. How about the Tribune, KTVX, KUTV, KSL. They should stay just as classy, right? Right.

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 12:14 p.m.

    Bet the $150,000 is what ruined her life. If incidents like this cause a person to spiral downward and turn to drugs and whatever else then probably 90% of the population would be in the loony bin ... lots of stuff happens to teens - its called experimentation. Good grief!

  • anon, too
    March 13, 2010 12:14 p.m.

    he made the mistake by making the mistake...

  • Where much is given
    March 13, 2010 12:15 p.m.

    much is required. I have to think that these men were capable of so much good that the temptation to be brought down was equal to their positive sides. As much as I feel that they did wrong, I know that I am not perfect and hope to never be tempted as much as they were. Good luck to all of them and their families.

  • RE: Now
    March 13, 2010 12:15 p.m.

    Nope. He can't bail that easy. There's the matter of the bribe...maybe the FEC needs to nose around that. And, there might have been some sort of cover up on the part of the church; if not cover up then negligent, willful ignorance. Plus, it's not just his situation. It's hers, too. Yeah, he deserves a private life, but quite a bit of this issue is no longer restricted to him.

  • What's next?
    March 13, 2010 12:15 p.m.

    Maybe if Brian David Mitchell would admit what he did to Elizabeth Smart, the legislature would applaud him... or create a state holiday in his honor!

  • right thing
    March 13, 2010 12:15 p.m.

    He's now starting to do the right things to recover.

  • right move
    March 13, 2010 12:15 p.m.

    Thank you for resigning. I'm confused though. The DNews keeps reporting that he was 28 at the time of the incident and that it happened 25 years ago. He's 55 now. Which is it? 28 or 30 years old? Nevertheless, he was wrong and the resignation is probably only a step in a long process to heal his actions.

  • Re: Now
    March 13, 2010 12:17 p.m.

    You support that he should be able to handle this situation in a private manner? He broke the law. Now questions have been asked regarding election law violations and why he did not report the $150,000. Not to mention that the victim was 15 years old. He was a public servant. He is subject to the same laws he helped pass. This should be very public. He gets to pay the price like any other person committing a crime.

  • Pay now or later
    March 13, 2010 12:17 p.m.

    Garn should have cleaned up this mess a long time ago. Too many people including the DNews were part of the coverup in the false belief that it was over.

    "Pay me now or pay me later" when you make a deal with the devil.

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 12:19 p.m.

    How many more of these scoundrels are running around? I am becoming very distrustful of all leadership. Especially in Utah.

    Garn should go to prison.

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 12:21 p.m.

    Under U.C.A. 76-8-509(1) Mr. Garn would probably be guilty of theft by extortion, not the child victim, due to his "attempts to induce an alleged victim of a crime to secure the dismissal of or to prevent the filing of a criminal complaint, indictment, or information. (2) "Victim," as used in this section, includes a child or other person under the care or custody of a parent or guardian."

  • Reader
    March 13, 2010 12:21 p.m.

    The applause in the Legislature for this pedophile was appalling, but then it shows the character of half the goofballs who serve in this body (serve themselves, not the taxpayers who elect them). Killpack and Garn are a start. Now let's get rid of some of some of the other clowns like Buttars, Bramble, Hughes, Noel, and Wimmer.

  • its
    March 13, 2010 12:23 p.m.

    the culture for sure!!

  • Extortion
    March 13, 2010 12:24 p.m.

    Did this woman Keep the 150? Does she have to give it back now because she didn't stay quite? How much did she try to extort this time. Not so sure she is innocent in this whole thing? Sounds like she was a 15 year old tramp.

  • Know Better
    March 13, 2010 12:27 p.m.

    If we feel 15 and 16 year old kids are responsible enough to put behind the wheel of a 3,000 pound car then I think they should be old enough to know right from wrong. Both parties in this case are sick and wrong.

  • Magna Fred
    March 13, 2010 12:27 p.m.

    Now that is something I would give a standing ovation for! Thank you Mr. Garn.

  • Deaer Government Man
    March 13, 2010 12:29 p.m.

    Yes, all register as Democrats so we can get away from this One Party System (Republicans) so we can have a new one Party System (Democrats) Wow what a brilliant plan. Where were you when Bill Clinton ws denigrating the office of President of the United States with his philandering? Did you speak out so boldly then? I doubt it.

    How about just voting out every single person who now holds a political office and start with a clean slate. Let them know what we expect and if they don't do it out they go in the next election.

    Both parties have bad apples. We need to look at t his over a long period of time and you will see just as many dirty Demos as you do Republicans. Didn't one of the Demo House of Representatives just resign for sexual harrassment? Nope, you forgot that.

  • notice how
    March 13, 2010 12:30 p.m.

    everybody also jumped on the wagon for the seminary guy too!! let me say POSITION OF TRUST not position of exploitation!!!

  • Clapping
    March 13, 2010 12:31 p.m.

    Wow, what lack of class. IF they wanted to congratulate him for his achievements as a legislator they should have done that privately. This make it look like they approve his past behavior. Sometimes politicials worry so much about their appearance that they miss the important picture, their behavior.

  • Corruption
    March 13, 2010 12:32 p.m.

    I too am appalled that legislators (perhaps an indicator of habitual decorum that is pointless and time-wasting in politics) would applaud such a dishonest man. But all this business of blaming the Deseret News is simply nonsense. Why not also blame the Salt Lake Tribune? They would have been more than happy to rid the state of another Republican, seeing that they have a huge axe to grind against the state GOP. But they didn't. So, stop this foolishness of blaming a newspaper for something that was kept under wraps for years.

  • Instereo
    March 13, 2010 12:34 p.m.

    150K for being nude in a hot tub with a minor. I'm thinking he's paying a lot for that because 1. he's feeling really guilty. 2. he's naive 3. He did something else that he isn't going to talk about (until it's found out) 4. He's covering up something 5. the girl is really good at extortion 6. the girl knows something else and is holding that over his head 7. he knows what the girl knows and thinks 150K is the right amount to keep her quiet 8. He's richer then he is smart and finally 9. so on and so on......

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 12:36 p.m.

    Will he get up in Fast and Testimony meeting next month a bare his testimony and whine and cry about it?

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 12:38 p.m.

    Wonder if he'll get his $150,000. buck back. At least give it to his wife. LOSERS! ALl of them!

  • Just a danged minute!
    March 13, 2010 12:41 p.m.

    He didn't resign because he was sorry for what he'd done.

    He resigned because his $150,000 cover-up didn't work.

    And his peers in the legislature applauded him.

    And we keep electing them.

    I need a shower.

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 12:42 p.m.

    LOWLIFE LIAR!

  • Public ovation
    March 13, 2010 12:45 p.m.

    Shame on the Utah Legislature for giving Garn a standing ovation for waiting until the statute of limitations had run to reveal his crime and for paying an exorbitant amount of hush money. He committed, at the very least, the crimes of supplying alcohol to a minor and contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Perhaps his crimes were much more serious, as his accuser states.

    Garn has done the right thing in resigning. The Deseret News clearly did the wrong thing in being complicit in the cover up. Shame on the poor journalistic decision.

  • Citizen of Kaysville
    March 13, 2010 12:46 p.m.

    For a citizen that was within his district, I too am amazed that legislators would applaud for a person that just told them about an incident that he hoped would lessen the impact by his public relations efforts. If these legislators who are voted to defend the law make a judgement to applaud for him without knowing the facts of the situation will probably vote the same way. A minor, an employee, and the other aspects of this case he told the legislators. There are people in prison for years where the girl was 13 and the guy was 28. How many decisions did Mr. Garn make that were impacted by his lifestyle. In 2002, that was the decision point that Mr. Garn chose to violate ethics and probably even the law. Some fault the victim. When the victim at the time of the occurence was only 14 or 15, he impacted her ability to make good judgements. She has part in the rehabilitation but Mr. Garn has his own rehabilitation. At least he has resigned and will not impact on District 16 for the short term.

  • Gregf41
    March 13, 2010 12:47 p.m.

    We need to absolutly clean house on both the State and Federal Level. If you have already served two terms... Go home and watch your family grow. If you serve one term and demonstrate your in it for yourself... You don't get two terms. "We the People" need to remind them who they work for.

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 12:48 p.m.

    Can you imagine the mess had he won a Congressional seat. The power structure and the newspaper have failed the people.

  • Honor
    March 13, 2010 12:50 p.m.

    The Utah state legislature is a disgrace to American politics and to our armed forces who are fighting and dying on foreign soil to protect our nation and world democracy. Did we only defeat Sadam to harbor the same political sickness in our own house.

  • JTG
    March 13, 2010 12:52 p.m.

    It's always a sad day when trusted people, especially public servants, violate the trust and moral character they have vowed to honor. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent.

    Isn't it touching that Maher has come forward to bare it all, again. I wonder what charity, other than herself, she donated the 150k to.

    JTG

  • Trowe
    March 13, 2010 12:52 p.m.

    I'm glad to see he stepped down, as his actions clearly weren't worthy of the office or the good people of Utah.

    Now will the rest of the legislature apologize for their applauding this criminal?

  • smarty pants
    March 13, 2010 12:55 p.m.

    Kevin,darling lets be young again,lets write a book together so that we can help others like us.

  • Garn's Inconsistencies
    March 13, 2010 12:55 p.m.

    in his statement, he said the incident happened 25 years ago when he was 28. He's now 55. Trying to use the same fuzzy math when he lured the 15 year old into the hottub? Glad he resigned. He should be held fully accountable for his actions. This is just one step though of many.

  • All hypocrites
    March 13, 2010 12:55 p.m.

    I can't help but wonder how these legislators would have reacted to a female, Democrat, non-Mormon confessing a similar tale involving a 15-year-old child? My guess is, there wouldn't have been a standing ovation. My guess is someone would have asked, "If nothing sexual happened, why were you both naked?" My guess is someone would have asked, "Are you really trying to tell us you're a victim in all of this?"

    Garn and his cohorts are pathetic.

  • Gosh Golly
    March 13, 2010 1:00 p.m.

    He did the right thing, by resigning. It has really become a distraction. Now if he were a democrat, it wouldn't matter, (no standards - live and let live). We could just have a Pelosi wannabee in the legislature, come in and cover up the whole mess. Problem solved!

  • The attitude of UT
    March 13, 2010 1:14 p.m.

    Utah needs to be investigated for all their sex crimes against women. The men of Utah all pat themselves on the back, than are politely excommunicated from their church for their mischievous behavior of women ( and blame the women ) and then they re-baptize these devious fellers tomorrow.
    Of course, the old feller was just being a man. poor little guy.

  • NL
    March 13, 2010 1:20 p.m.

    Wise to leave. Will be a circus with all the wise people who have never made a mistake take there turn to feed on his poor judgment. I wish I was as free of making mistakes in my life that I could pass judgment as others are doing. He will pay for it the rest of his life, his family will be living in the shadow of what he has done but to listen to people so ready to pass judgment and the comments made they must be pure of heart and made no mistakes. Be nice to meet a person such as this. I don't condone what happened and feel bad for the woman who was involved but I wonder why she has now decided to tell all. Lot we don't know and I really don't care to know. The man has destroyed a part of his life as well others.
    I for one can't pass judgment.

  • thom
    March 13, 2010 1:23 p.m.

    Yes, the old boys network is at it again. I'll be reading the DN with a bit of a jaundice eye.

  • RE: What's Next
    March 13, 2010 1:23 p.m.

    Hilarious.

  • Two Shoes
    March 13, 2010 1:28 p.m.

    For all of you double dippers out there who were compared by this legislature to a toxic spill - stand united and have a good laugh. The people who called you that because you are a teacher or police officer have a very low standard for themselves - I give you a Standing O.

  • Reader
    March 13, 2010 1:40 p.m.

    He made a mistake years ago which he has already cleaned up with his wife and family. Get over it. He has done great things for this state. The lady is clearly crazy and using this as an excuse for her behavior. The Legislature gave him a standing ovation of support, not condoning his actions 25 years ago. The desnews did the right thing, and in my opinion this shows they have ethics. This is old news people, move on and focus on the important things.

  • Jake
    March 13, 2010 1:47 p.m.

    This is why a strong two party system is much better than Utah's one strong party system.

  • Really
    March 13, 2010 1:48 p.m.

    I hope he sues her for $150,000 which she probably doesn't have. How did he break the law? There was no sex involved according to him. There is no reason to believe this woman that there was more, when she clearly has a mental illness. She is a loon!

    An incident would not cause her this much pain. Yes, he was wrong, but this should have been news years ago.

  • Gary
    March 13, 2010 1:56 p.m.

    I'm glad he resigned.
    The Utah State Legislature is little more than a joke. Self-serving, ethically-challenged, power-hungry politicians who, at least in the majority party, hold themselves up as pillars of morality and virtue. Sad that this is the best we can do.

  • Another one bites the dust
    March 13, 2010 2:00 p.m.

    I don't trust any Mormon man and never have. They all are money hungry, lie, cheat, sneak around, and than try to look real impressive in their penguin suits on Sunday morning. Garn is one more of 100's of dozens of these control freaks lurking around out there in and around the UT valley.

  • charity?
    March 13, 2010 2:06 p.m.

    For this the D News and Trib both deserve the economic havoc on their business models. This is exactly the type of story they should be reporting but didn't. They aren't performing their role as watchdogs, and can go bankrupt for all I care. People my age don't buy newspapers anyways.

    I think it is wrong to blame the LDS church without knowing all the facts. Certainly the Bishop's actions are questionable. We can however all be ashamed at our state legislature and as an active Mormon would encourage all to take a close look at yourselves because I believe we get the government we deserve.

  • Really???
    March 13, 2010 2:07 p.m.

    I don't understand how Garn escaped any church discipline back then. As a married man (in the temple) his actions of providing alcohol to an underage girl and seducing her into getting naked with him in a hottub and whatever else happened then should have at least been a disfellowship or excommunication. Yet Garn had a very successful church life, serving as a Bishop and Stake President.

  • Integrity
    March 13, 2010 2:09 p.m.

    I hope that the Deseret News will live up to it's new mission statement published, I believe on 11 March 2010: "to be trusted voices of light and knowledge, reaching hundreds of millions of people worldwide."

    They will have do a lot to recover from this. This lack of Integrity to the readers and citizens of Utah, even who don't read their newspaper, is a shame for our whole state and to the people that own and work at that newspaper.

  • Janica
    March 13, 2010 2:12 p.m.

    This story has hit the national news. What a proud day for Utah. Not.
    He was in a position of trust as her boss and Sunday School teacher. She was 15 - he was twice her age. That's illegal and should be prosecuted. The election money also looked at. It's bothersome to me that if this was the "isolated hot tub non sex incident" that they would meet up again twice - with him paying for her to go to a class reunion (?) as some news is reporting. There are people in Utah on the Sex Offender Registry for such actions with minors. He should face criminal charges. These types of actions cause such problems for the young victims lifelong. Most Predators would have to pay for restitution for counseling for the victim. That type of mental health intervention could reach $150,000. worth of treatment.
    It's a sad situation and good that he stepped down. I'm always bothered by the good wife standing by her man. Any self respecting woman should grow a spine and run amid such scandal. Why on earth would the wife have gotten involved with e-mails and church leaders?

  • jason
    March 13, 2010 2:14 p.m.

    Any semi intelligent person knows there is a very big difference in emotional maturity and decision making abilities of a 15 year old child and a 28 year old man. Women also don't just take off their close and jump in a hot tub without a lot of charming and coaxing, and if he got her that far why in the heck would he have stopped at that. As a man, I don't buy that. He is 100% at fault for this and should be prosecuted and labeled a sex offender for the rest of his life if legal statutes permit it.

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 2:16 p.m.

    I agree with "Know Better". If you're looking for a good guy in this case, there isn't one. This woman is as sleazy as they come, and the legislator in question made one error after another. Often times, in these cases, we all want to have a good guy/bad guy story line.

    That just isn't the case here.

  • DanielFBoone
    March 13, 2010 2:17 p.m.

    Rep. did the right thing and I wish him well. Hopefully his resignation will set an example for news editors and reporters who ignored their responsibilities and conspired to keep his actions hidden from the citizens of Utah.

  • Cali Marty
    March 13, 2010 2:17 p.m.

    Ok! He screwed up! So, why get a standing ovation?? Who does not like to jump in a hot tube? But, Come on, not with a minor! Duh!Hope he shapes up and moves on with his life!

  • Publicity stunt?
    March 13, 2010 2:18 p.m.

    I bet Garn wishes he could just wake up from this nightmare, saying it was all just a stunt for the upcoming comedy movie Hot Tub Time Machine!

  • Disgusted
    March 13, 2010 2:27 p.m.

    What is wrong with the front page picture, with the legislators in all their glory, applauding a fellow legislator for admiting to a sexual (doesn't have to be intercourse) encounter with an under age child - 15 years old? What are they applauding? He broke the law (it IS against the law to have any kind of sexual encounters with a child who is underage) and then to find that not only did he bride the girl into not telling, the Deseret Morning New breaks the law by not reporting a sexual encounter that was confessed to them by the perp! Several laws have been broken, yet the legislature applauds it! What a circus. God bless the victim(s).

  • Cover up?
    March 13, 2010 2:31 p.m.

    I'm kind of curious, with all this coverage of Garn and his scandal, we haven't heard too much about what they did in the legislative session, I wonder if that's a coincidence....

  • The Truth
    March 13, 2010 2:32 p.m.

    After such a long period of time and after taking $150k upon her demand, one would wonder just what her motives are by bringing this matter up after 20 somthing years. If her motives are as she claimes why didn't she bring this forward much earlier - perhaps she just ran out of money?

    If she accepted his apology years ago and forgave him by her ill gotten gaians - why destroy a man and his family . Discretions of years past to just remain that IN THE PAST. forgive and forget>>

  • Turned off
    March 13, 2010 2:34 p.m.

    Yeah, he made a mistake. But she was 15, not 5. She got into the tub with him, and participated in whatever happened. She didn't scream and call the police. She extorted $150,000 from him. One can't defend what he did, but neither can one defend her.

  • Be Honest
    March 13, 2010 2:39 p.m.

    Come on, who of us really believes nothing happened in that hot tub?! Sitting there naked after drinking alcohol?

    Also, how terribly sad and tragic this is for Cheryl Maher. I think he still has a long way to go before I will applaud him.

    As disgusted as I am by this, I hope he can come completely clean and try to do whatever is possible to help Cheryl Maher heal from his mistakes. He needs to quit lying for starters.

  • Grover
    March 13, 2010 2:40 p.m.

    At least he did the right thing and pulled the plug. What about the toady self righteous members of the legislature? What a show for the ages...self congratulation multiplied by self importance.

  • George W (thats Washington)
    March 13, 2010 2:40 p.m.

    Our founding fathers would turn over in their graves. Politicians are all alike. I think there is something in their makeup -the same thing that drives them into politics is the same thing that drives them in other less than favorable conduct.
    It's too bad, and it's ironic that the democrats are piling on, concidering their past and past leaders. This sort of thing is beyond party lines.

  • Jake
    March 13, 2010 2:42 p.m.

    I also can't believe that this guy is being applauded. It's disgusting that he 'got away with it' for so long. It's about time that this was made public and people can see him for what he is. What other secrets does he have hidden away I wonder.

  • Cowboy
    March 13, 2010 2:50 p.m.

    Wise decision on Garn's part. While I'm not convinced that his decision was based on some benevolent concern for the people of Utah, at least he can see that the writing on the wall say's that this won't turn out well.

    Now, while Garn is doing the smart thing (notice how I didn't say the "right" thing), let's hope that the Distric Attorney's office doesn't overlook this matter. We have a public confession of a serious crime, an allegation from the victim that there was more involved than what has been publicly acknowledged. Apologies are a good start, but letting this "good" man off the hook without a reasonable investigation is irresponsible and dangerous. Under the circumstances we can't take Garn at his word that this incident involved no sexual contact, nor that this was an isolated incident. Dear law enforcement, etc, think Jaycee Duggard. Let's not drop the ball again.

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 2:58 p.m.

    What a cover-up. This guy pays $150,000.00, twenty years ago. How much is that in today's $$$$. And for a responsible newpaper to say it was not a news worthy story...........what crap. And this legislator, giving him a standing ovation. What fools. Only in Utah do we have such cover-up; between religion/politics, and now the newpapers. Creepy, creepy group of people.............

  • Re: reader & really
    March 13, 2010 2:58 p.m.

    Are you the kind of fellow citizens that would have been participating in his standing ovation? According to his own confession, he committed a crime, possible lewdness for being unclothed in a hot tub and definitely contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Yup, convicts are in prison for the same offenses. And while he cleaned it up with his wife and family, he has not cleaned it up with law enforcement and obviously hid this from his constituents. He gets everything coming to him and should be on an offender registry. Not to mention the issues that still get to be investigated with the FEC. And stop blaming the victim. I do not know if she is clinically crazy and I also might imagine if she is, partying with a man twice her age might have contributed to that, if, in fact,she is.

  • TripleFelix
    March 13, 2010 2:59 p.m.

    Let me guess. Let's see. A Republican from Utah. Would I be far off the mark if I assumed the gentleman spent much of the past 25 year preaching morality to the rest of us? I doubt it is possible to rise to the top of the GOP in Utah without continuously hating on gays and other morally inferior beings. The sin is not hot tubbing with a 15-year-old (although that is pretty stupid). The sin is hypocrisy.

  • EM
    March 13, 2010 2:59 p.m.

    The whole situation is disgraceful, but I have to wonder why the victim is taking this approach now. She reported to Des News and SL Trib in 2002 that she had been hot tubbing with Garn, nothing more. Why add to her story now, unless she's run out of money with her pill habit? His behavior is shameful, but she sounds like she's after a pound of flesh and shame from the whole family.
    I can understand why Des News brushed her off in 2002, since they said she seemed like an inconsistent flake, especially in light of the fact that she came forward a week before election, with little time for corroboration. When they contacted her weeks later, she said she had rec'd an apology from Garn, which was all she wanted. I'd say she wanted an apology, a whole lot of money, and who knows what else.
    Hopefully this'll be a lesson for Garn and anyone else out there that wants to do something stupid, illegal, and immoral.

  • With all due respect.
    March 13, 2010 3:01 p.m.

    Mr. Garn was in a position of authority in regards to that fifteen year old girl. He broke that trust not she. Whether or not she has issues now or if she has ulterior motives now. Who knows? The point is he needed to take ownership long before this. Governor Herbert appearing not to have problem or feeling a need to ask his resignation. I claim no allegiance to either party. It was wrong with Bill Clinton it was wrong with Kevin Garn. This is the problem going on all over the country. Corruption and an apparent lack of honor. One of my reasons against John McCain was because he had failed to honor his marriage vows to his first wife. If a man can't honor his wife why would he honor his country ? When any entity turns a blind eye they become part of the problem and an enabler. I have more respect for Jenny Sandford for not standing by her man than I do for Hilary Clinton for standing by hers.

  • John Pack Lambert
    March 13, 2010 3:02 p.m.

    A few thoughts.
    First, is anyone now going to apologize for claiming that Garn would not resign, or are similar attacks going to be lobbed the next time a Republican is in a compromising situation?
    Second, why did the members of the state house applaud at the end of Garn's speach? I think people are too into applauding. Only applaud things that deserve it.
    Third, I am glad Garn did the right thing now, but I wish he had done the right thing in 1985 and admited and faced up to the consequences then.

  • Perry
    March 13, 2010 3:05 p.m.

    I'm going to be hated for this, but...
    I don't think the hot tub thing was that big of a deal. They didn't have sex, right? I mean, when I was fifteen I did some stupid things. That doesn't make it anyone's fault but my own. I don't believe this crap about it ruining her life. People get naked sometimes. Sure, it was inappropriate and we all know why he did it, but I don't think it should ruin his life.

    I think his big mistake was paying her.

  • WVC
    March 13, 2010 3:11 p.m.

    Regardless of the woman's mental history now she was still a minor when this occurred. Recovering from sexual violation can take a lifetime. Who can say how this has changed her life ? He was a leader how has that action affected her perpection of the church ? What was the consequence to her testimony ? When someone has that position of authority it will mess you up mentally regardless of your prior mental status. My question with any case of abuse where are the adults in her life looking out for her ?

  • RE: Jake
    March 13, 2010 3:13 p.m.

    A NO party system would be best. Let us vote for each candidate based on his or her positions on issues, instead of based on what party he or she is from.

  • Typical Men in UT
    March 13, 2010 3:14 p.m.

    Re: turned on

  • Um...
    March 13, 2010 3:16 p.m.

    Can someone please tell me where in the heck they are getting the idea that the Deseret News knew about this before Garn admitted it in the legislative session? Because I don't see that evidence anywhere. Thanks.

  • dw
    March 13, 2010 3:19 p.m.

    So the paper owned by the LDS church decided to not run the story in 2002 at who's behest one wonders? And of course you would NEVER do that again would you Desert News? I was always a bit dubious about the slant your paper takes but this pretty much proves my suspicions correct about where your marching orders come from and how far you will go. You have ZERO credibility with me this point and I'm sure you will never regain it. Just stick to letting people know when conference is and which movies you don't like,,,,you couldn't possibly botch that could you???

  • Jennie Richards
    March 13, 2010 3:22 p.m.

    Good to see the Deseret News be exposed for such a stunning lack of journalistic ethics. Heads should roll over this. Instead, someone will just say, "I guess we got caught."

  • rattler
    March 13, 2010 3:23 p.m.

    Some thoughts. Those who are saying that he didn't break the law, try going up to a 15 year old child and stripping naked. See if that will land you in jail. If they only sat naked in the hot tub--which I personally doubt is all that happened--it's still against the law.
    Also, if it's true that he didn't suffer any church discipline, then positions that he held were done with an unclean spirit. That's unfair to the members that he served. He really needs to be excommunicated.
    Finally, his fellow legislators should never have applauded IF they knew the details that we all now know. Not sure if they did, but a more appropriate reaction would have been to run his butt out on rails.

  • Garn should thank the Des
    March 13, 2010 3:28 p.m.

    Thanks to the Des News not reporting what they new in 02' Garn had 8 years holding a position he was unworthy to hold. Garns' constituents should be upset with what the Des News with not reporting the truth back in 02'.

    Note to DES NEWS: anytime anyone pays off anyone especially when it concerns politics its NEWS and the story SHOULD RUN front page!

  • Henry Drummond
    March 13, 2010 3:28 p.m.

    If a high school teacher was caught "hot-tubbing" naked with a fifteen year old girl would we think him fit to be teaching? Would a newspaper consider it something that was not newsworthy just because it happened 17 years previously? The Deseret News still has some explaining to do.

  • "Sectech Technology"
    March 13, 2010 3:33 p.m.

    "Too many secrets."

  • Nancy
    March 13, 2010 3:40 p.m.

    I was a republican yesterday, but today I am now officially a DEMOCRAT.

  • Confused
    March 13, 2010 3:41 p.m.

    Frolicking naked with a 15-year old is illegal in Utah?

    I thought it was mandatory. Who knew?

  • Re: Perry
    March 13, 2010 3:50 p.m.

    Hey let's go hot tubbing sometimes......LOL!!

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 3:54 p.m.

    If the governor proposed a 2% raise for public employees, Garn was the kind of legislator who would counter with a 1.5% raise just to show he was fiscally conservative. He always had to nickel and dime everything to death. He didn't care at all about public employees who were struggling to make ends meet.

    He could do that because he was wealthy -wealthy enough that he could pay out $150,000 to cover up his indiscretions. No wonder he couldn't relate to public servants.

  • Re 3:28
    March 13, 2010 4:00 p.m.

    We had a serving Bishop who did the same thing once, but with his secretary. It takes all kinds of Garns out there to sit on a high seat while deceiving everyone. I doubt these liars can ever be trusted again.

  • Utahn
    March 13, 2010 4:04 p.m.

    Okay fellow Utahns,

    We need the names of every lawmaker that stood and applauded this guy so we can vote them out at the next election. They are embarrassing our great state of Utah.

    Anyone with video coverage of the audience?
    How 'bout the Deseret News?

  • Trolls
    March 13, 2010 4:04 p.m.

    After this incident I have to reconsider what a "Troll" really is".

  • Ronald Fox
    March 13, 2010 4:06 p.m.

    First, only one out of 108 people listed above put their name to their comments.

    Sad, If people stand up for what they believe in, they should not be affraid to put their name next to there words. The only place where I know you can do this is in the Ballot Box, or as a whistle blower, or here.

    I have known Kevin Garn for over 10 years, I did not know him as a close friend, but worked on his Congressional Campaign. He always treated me well, and I will always treat him well, especially when he is down.

    Do I agree with what I have read so far or heard, No! Do I think he made good choices years ago, or even within the past few years as it relates to this issue, No!

    I learned one thing long ago, treat people as they treat you. In Kevin's case, and that of his wife and family, it has always been, well. Let, him now go tend to his family. Thank him for his service, because, it is just that. And to you my friends, become more active in who represents you in office. Go Vote.

  • Ronald Fox
    March 13, 2010 4:08 p.m.

    First, only 4 out of 108 people listed above put their name to their comments.

    Sad, If people stand up for what they believe in, they should not be affraid to put their name next to there words. The only place where I know you can do this is in the Ballot Box, or as a whistle blower, or here.

    I have known Kevin Garn for over 10 years, I did not know him as a close friend, but worked on his Congressional Campaign. He always treated me well, and I will always treat him well, especially when he is down.

    Do I agree with what I have read so far or heard, No! Do I think he made good choices years ago, or even within the past few years as it relates to this issue, No!

    I learned one thing long ago, treat people as they treat you. In Kevin's case, and that of his wife and family, it has always been, well. Let, him now go tend to his family. Thank him for his service, because, it is just that. And to you my friends, become more active in who represents you in office. Go Vote.

  • RE: Nancy
    March 13, 2010 4:24 p.m.

    Why be either?

  • rattler
    March 13, 2010 4:24 p.m.

    Re: Nancy,

    Wow, were you a Democrat when Clinton was having his affair in the White House and then turned Republican?

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 4:26 p.m.

    What is the D-news going to do in order to regain a semblance of integrity? Are they going to probe further and keep the story alive? Are they going to investigate all the angles and possibilites of a LDS church knowledge and cover up? Yeaaaaah...sure they are.

  • Re: Nancy
    March 13, 2010 4:27 p.m.

    Dont be fooled, Nancy is really a democrate. This is just something a democrate would do to try and influence people. They are without morals or souls. Ok that might be an exageration, but I but she is a politician and a democrate.

  • Cleverl Rascal
    March 13, 2010 4:33 p.m.

    Give the guy a break. Who among you hasn't been in a comparable situation? Let HE throw the first stone. Haha.

  • Leo
    March 13, 2010 4:35 p.m.

    I guess that's what happens when you pay blackmail money and try to keep the secret. Blackmailers always run out of money eventually, and now that Garn doesn't want to pay her off, this is what happens.

    Secrets don't remain secret as long as more than one person knows them.

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 4:37 p.m.

    "Clark sought to clarify that an acknowledgment he made of Garn's service to Utah Thursday night after the announcement, and an ovation of applause that followed, was "in no way condoning what took place 25 years ago."

    Mr. Clark, please enlighten me then- what exactly was the standing ovation for? I really want to know and believe the people of Utah are owed an explanation as to why this was the response from the majority of the legislature after finding out about a naked hot tub rendevous with a MINOR.

  • Failure to Report
    March 13, 2010 4:45 p.m.

    How many people need to be charged with failure to report child abuse?

  • Totally disgusting applause
    March 13, 2010 4:49 p.m.

    When I saw the picture of people applauding a person who at the very least exposed himself to a young girl, I felt like throwing up! What kind of people applaud such an action? The next time someone gets arraigned in court, will these same lawmakers go and applaud the person who is being charged? Convicted?

  • Davis
    March 13, 2010 4:49 p.m.

    This man shows why so many Non-LDS in Utah don't want to hear missionary overtures... The Members show by example every day who they really are.

  • Forgive
    March 13, 2010 5:00 p.m.

    the sinner, but hold him accountable. He resigned today, but he had no business ever running.

    The one-party state iceberg is beginning to melt. But so much terrible damage has been done that it will take more than a lifetime to get it fixed.

    If they're paying their girlfriends $150,000, how much do you think their cronies are getting?

    Sickeningly corrupt.

  • Zip
    March 13, 2010 5:05 p.m.

    Shows what slim most politations are. Vote republician.

  • Say it ain't so
    March 13, 2010 5:05 p.m.

    I am sad Mr. Garn resigned over this. At some point the past (25 years ago) should be forgiven and forgoten. Let the man live and change. Isn't there a saying somewhere about casting the first stone?

  • Painful
    March 13, 2010 5:06 p.m.

    I threw up in my mouth watching the state legislatures give this guy a standing ovation.
    Absolutely Ridiculous!

  • Indignazione
    March 13, 2010 5:07 p.m.

    Yeah, people are really fast to rip this guy to shreds. Can you blame him for wanting to be alone in a hot tub with a young girl?

  • D News takes lumps on
    March 13, 2010 5:14 p.m.

    Previous article DNews takes lumps on story.Cheryl Maher called D News and the SL Trib in 2002 and told her story.Neither paper felt it was worthy of print at the time it states that Maher sounded flakey? Well Mr. Garn paid her at that time $150,000 to help forget the incident. Mr Garn lookng back would have been better off not to run in 2002. I dont think the Legislature was applauding the act Mr. Garn did they were giving support to a man that is now being drug through the dirt.

  • Anonymous is my name!
    March 13, 2010 5:14 p.m.

    Hate to break it to you Ronald Fox, but I don't know you from Adam. You are perfectly anonymous here until you post a photo id and your address....but let's not let facts start mattering to you.

  • Out of State looking in
    March 13, 2010 5:17 p.m.

    Well as an outsider looking in it seems that the Religion card has been used in your comments, the gay card, the political card, I did not see the black card but the women card was used.

    He messed up and is paying for it. Stupid and uncalled for. He should quit.

    So all of you people bashing him what’s in your past? If you were in the lime light what would they find about you? I guarantee there are few if any of you that does not have a skeleton in the closet so to speak.

    A person that has made a mistake does not make that person bad. Has he done good things for your state? I am guessing he has. To applaud what he has done for Utah is right. They are not applauding his behavior 25 years ago. I have friends in high places that I know that have things that they would not want revealed. Some I am not so proud of either. Clinton was a dirtbag yet he did some very good things too. He was not man enough to quite like this Garn guy.

    Hypocrisy is what I seeing.

    Throw your stones.

  • Full Picture
    March 13, 2010 5:25 p.m.

    I highly recommend that you read the email transcripts provided by the victim to City Weekly magazine, documenting the exchanges between Garn and the victim coming to a financial settlement. These emails show how unabashed some are to use Mormon Doctrine to escape the real life consequences of mistakes by claiming that the perpetrator (or their loved ones) have suffered too, and shaming others into submission through selective scripture. There must also be an investigation by the Church into the brokerage role that Church officers played as the go-between.

  • A disheartened Utahn
    March 13, 2010 5:28 p.m.

    So, is Davis County where "Mormons in Name Only" live? First, Sheldon Killpack (LDS) the drinker and now Kevin Garn (LDS) the Hot-tubber. Only Mark Walker, the "you can keep your job if you don't run against me" from Sandy who apparently was hoping to move to Davis County.

    Boo on Utah Republicans who are always preaching "do as we say and not as we do". And a standing ovation? Why?

  • Howie
    March 13, 2010 5:28 p.m.

    The whole thing is creepy. Garn preying on a 15 year kid then paying her off to keep her quiet years later. Shameful! I am a conservative and find the whole incident discraceful. Garn's political life is finished at bit too late. The ovation was creepy too.

  • bystander
    March 13, 2010 5:37 p.m.

    Now that she told I hope she'll give back the $150,000. That would be the ETHICAL thing to do.

  • Roberto
    March 13, 2010 5:42 p.m.

    Yea right Garn didn't touch or have intercourse, and Clinton "didn't inhale or have sex with that woman". Looks like stuff flows down both political aisle. The differance is that Garn did the RIGHT thing.

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 5:45 p.m.

    Hey outta stater...do you imagine that all the negative comments come from non-Mormons, democrats, and people who have done similar criminal things as Garn? Wonder what's in YOUR past. Wish I knew who you were so that I could hide my kids from you.

  • Davis County Republican
    March 13, 2010 5:48 p.m.

    Garn - you are a disgrace to our party, to our county, to our faith.

  • For Roberto
    March 13, 2010 6:03 p.m.

    "Yea right Garn didn't touch or have intercourse, and Clinton "didn't inhale or have sex with that woman". "

    Have you ever heard of the concept of "consenting adults"?

    In the rest of the country, a 15-year-old is not a consenting adult. Not so sure in Utah, where it seems a woman's consent may be assumed at birth.

  • Travis From New Mexico
    March 13, 2010 6:04 p.m.

    All I have to say is "He or she without sin, cast the first stone".

  • Sammy
    March 13, 2010 6:10 p.m.

    "I have known Kevin Garn for over 10 years... He always treated me well, and I will always treat him well, especially when he is down."

    Would you expect him to wear a lapel button advertising that he desires to, or has, hot-tubbed with a teen girl?

  • Ace
    March 13, 2010 6:15 p.m.

    Hot-tubbing naked or otherwise with a teen girl is questionable. But paying out the $150,000 is nuts.

  • RE: Travis
    March 13, 2010 6:16 p.m.

    It is so lame to make that without sin comment when there is a sex offense with law-defined minor. I think most adults have not committed such an offense. Read the rest of the Bible and find the "millstone around his neck" scripture, too.

  • In Awe!!!
    March 13, 2010 6:27 p.m.

    You're kidding me right? This guys breaks the law by messing around with an under-age girl bad enough, but then he gets a standing ovation from his peers...unbelievable...what in world are they thinking?

  • @Ronald Fox
    March 13, 2010 6:39 p.m.

    I suppose you intend your well meaning forget and forgive to apply to all the sex offenders out at the point of the mountain also, right. We can see what working with Garn has taught you.

  • Utahn, Repulican, Mormon
    March 13, 2010 6:39 p.m.

    I'm a Utahn, Republican, and Momon. Garn's statement shows a degree of self-deception which equals if not exceeds his deception of the young girl and his constituents:

    "I am proud to have worked with so many wonderful and talented public servants. I wish to thank those who entrusted me with this responsibility."

    it was an honor and responsibility you did not deserve, sir. Hot tubbing with a 15 year olday be forgiven, but that act, especially combined with hiding it, forever disqualifies you from public trust.

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 6:42 p.m.

    @Clark 6:29

    We know what you mean. Clinton got away with something similar almost without a hitch.

  • Difficult
    March 13, 2010 6:47 p.m.

    I wish I could comment on all the comments here but it is so difficult for intelligence to reason with stupidity.

  • JMT
    March 13, 2010 6:52 p.m.

    Very partisan attacks here.

    The clear difference in general between Republicans and Democrats is not poor decision making. Both parties have members that make really poor decisions.

    The big difference is that by a wide margin when a Republican does something bone headed they resign. When a Democrat does it they almost always refuse to resign and insist its their right to what ever they want. Bill Clinton was the most obvious example, so many others to choose from.

  • Hold the stone
    March 13, 2010 6:55 p.m.

    Let he or she without sin cast the first stone--and stop accusing all legislators and Mormons for the imperfections of those who have made mistakes. This should have been handled in private many years ago, yes, but don't condemn all men/women on the basis of others actions. Each individual has the right to choose his/her behavior. But that behavior doesn't cross over to all people with whom they are associated.

  • edjag74
    March 13, 2010 7:06 p.m.

    Wow. This makes me wonder what all the other legislators are up to (?) His conduct was an is a disgrace. He "confessed" only when facing exposure. That isn't exactly a sign of real remorse and I don't think that really deserves much sympathy. Maybe it is right up there with death-bed repentance. I don't care what party this guy belongs to ... this conduct was and is outrageous, from the nude hot-tubbing with a 15 year old girl (how sick is that) to the hush money. The fact that his family and Bishop seemed to play a part in it all makes me sick.

  • Judgmental
    March 13, 2010 7:07 p.m.

    He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone.

  • Ok, fancy pants
    March 13, 2010 7:16 p.m.

    I was not a democrat when old Clinton had an affair with a woman, and he did not have sex with a child as Garn has done. Although I'm sure Clinton's devious sex act wasn't the first nor the last for that fat old toad, nor do I believe this was the only time for Garn. This kind of male person are power seekers who think they are gods, and gods special gift to all woman kind in their fancy toad suits. They all need to be castrated as far as I'm concerned. No woman deserves one of them unless she is the same sort of sex seeker. However, they do come in both sizes Female and Male.

  • Psychobable...
    March 13, 2010 7:19 p.m.

    For all those who want to label SEX CRIMES as imperfections and mistakes and poor choices... GET REAL. The laws define crimes and it isn't just a mistake! Crimes are public information.

    For those who want to talk about WITHOUT SIN... GET YOUR BIBLES OUT AND READ ABOUT MILLSTONES. I don't care about Garn. I do care about a public that somehow keeps defending perpetrators with "he who is without sin" nonsense. Quick responses that make this seem like nothing happened and nothing should be reported keep victims embarrassed and ashamed to come forward.

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 7:20 p.m.

    So the whole legal system should just go out the window because everyone has sinned? Absurd. Turning this into a partisan fight? Absurd. The D-news not doing their job??? Absolutely maddening. What else are they willing to sit on?

  • @ JMT
    March 13, 2010 7:25 p.m.

    "The big difference is that by a wide margin when a Republican does something bone headed they resign"

    That is so far from the truth that it shouldn't require a response, but there are probably a few people out there who actually believe that nonsense.

    #1, it is absolutely false on the face of it. Democrats Spitzer and Massa resigned. Clinton's relations were with a consenting adult and broke no laws. Republicans Sanford, Vitter, Ensign (and 25 others in similar situations) have NOT resigned.

    #2, The problem is the hypocrisy, not the sex. In general, Democrats do not pontificate to the rest of us about how their morality is superior. Republicans do. It is genetic, I think.

  • DoubleFelix
    March 13, 2010 7:30 p.m.

    Psychobabble wrote: "For all those who want to label SEX CRIMES as imperfections and mistakes and poor choices... GET REAL. The laws define crimes and it isn't just a mistake! Crimes are public information."

    From what I can tell, that would be true in about 47 states, but in Utah, it appears this does not fall under the statutory rape laws. It seems only "sexual intercourse" (that man-and-woman thing these Republicans are always talking about) is prohibited. Getting naked in a hot tub with a 15-year-old seems to be legal in Utah.

  • moving
    March 13, 2010 7:38 p.m.

    I was a democrat yesterday, and now I am a SOCIALIST

  • rbc
    March 13, 2010 7:42 p.m.

    Why don't you all just go ahead and join the Communist Party of America. They support many of Obama's and the Democrats policies. If you don't believe this just Google CPUSA and read for yourself.

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 7:44 p.m.

    ...and the GOP continues to go down in FLAMES!

  • Psychobabble to DoubleFelix
    March 13, 2010 7:46 p.m.

    The sex crimes I'm referring to at this point are indecent exposure, lewdness, etc. Enough hasn't been disclosed for further crimes. My point is these are still crimes and need to be regarded as such.

  • viking
    March 13, 2010 8:06 p.m.

    The so called victim extorted $150,000. in 2002. She may have been a minor when the incident in the hot tub happened but she extorted money out of Garn when she was an adult. She was then 32 years old. Extortion is a crime. They are both guilty of serious crimes and I say a pox on both their houses.

  • better than thou
    March 13, 2010 8:12 p.m.

    The Savior reminds us that he who is without sin may cast the first stone.

    No one has ever watched internet pornography,
    have they?

  • John Pack Lambert
    March 13, 2010 8:23 p.m.

    To John Shaw,
    Mr. Garn has NEVER been a state senator. Being a state representative does not absolve him from guilt, and he seems to be more guilty every time we turn, but get his position right.
    If you do not even know what position he holds, that may explain why shady politicians abound, no one cares enough to look into their backgrounds.
    Also the Deseret News did not interview Garn. They had him come into their office giving a tearful confession and claiming to be truly penitent. There is a big difference. Also, hindsight is always 20/20.

  • Snaggle waggle
    March 13, 2010 8:34 p.m.

    Ya know folks, I don't trust anyone in our government any longer. It seems to be run by evil do nothings who are paid to do nothing. As long as they are running their personal show and ruining the lives of others they are happy and do not care who they hurt or destroy in this world.

  • John Pack Lambert
    March 13, 2010 8:53 p.m.

    To DW,
    The Salt Lake Tribune was also contacted and did not publish.
    The Editor-in-Chief of the news at the time, who was one of the people who decided not to run the story, is and was not a Latter-day Saint.
    In respnse to some other observations. The pay out was 8 years ago, not 20 years ago.
    It is quite possible that 25 years is used as a nice round number, and so the incident happened in 1984. Is Garn 55 or will he turn 55 this year? In reality I do not think it matters, nor would it even if the girl was 16.
    There is no strong evidence that anyone besides Garn and the girl knew about the incident before 2002.
    On the other hand, if Garn did confess this incident to his bishop at the time it ocured, I am not sure the bishop would have been allowed to reprot it. Generaly sins disclosed to an eccesiastical leader by the sinner are not to be publicly anounced. The nature of the 2002 incidents migth be different.

  • Jody
    March 13, 2010 8:54 p.m.

    These comments show we have a lot of pure people on here. They have never done anything wrong. Oh, they only consider a 15 year old as wrong. Sorry.

    No one on here had premarital sex?? I hope not. Anyone on here have sex at or before 15 years old? I hope not.

    So if you have had sex of any kind don't run for a government office. Its not required.

  • Re: "Better Than Thou" @ 8:12
    March 13, 2010 8:57 p.m.

    Viewing Internet pornography of consenting adults is completely different than jumping naked in a hot tub with nude FIFTEEN YEAR OLD GIRLS!!!!

    I have every right to judge someone who violates a positions of trust (take your pick of employer-employee, Sunday School teacher-student, or parent-baby sitter) to engage in lewdness by stripping naked in a hot tub with a "MINOR" (and I put "minor" in quotes depending on whether he was 28 or 30 at the time - it's convenient that he said 28 in his speech on the House floor to an embarrassing standing ovation but that would make her 13 at the time and a statutory child so now his story is that he was 30). It's not only probably legally wrong, it is morally repugnant and disgusting.

    I'll be the first to cast a stone. And I'm sure there are many of my fellow Mormons who will line up right behind me.

  • Shara
    March 13, 2010 9:14 p.m.

    It is just disappointing to me to see how many people in positions of leadership mess up big. The only way to good is through complete truth. I just hope Mr. Garn can be completely truthful now to others, and most importantly, to himself.

  • To Viking
    March 13, 2010 9:30 p.m.

    You better go back and read all the articles a bit better. What you wrote is total nonsense. He paid this woman money, so as to keep her mouth shut, and Garns wife was with him when he did. That is called tampering with evidence---just in case you don't know the difference.

  • J in Iowa
    March 13, 2010 9:47 p.m.

    Eventually our indiscretions will catch up to us and be shouted from the roof top. No matter how hard we try to hide them our acts will eventually be found out. So make sure you make good choices so that you don't have to live with the guilt or fear of being found out. One act can tarnish our reputations and embarrass our families for along time.

    He may have "repented" but still the act can have lingering effects as we can see.

    Garn's indiscretions made the 10 o'clock news here in Iowa so his acts are not just known in Utah but nation wide.

    Sad for him, his family, and the girl (women) involved.

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 10:02 p.m.

    He resigned like he should have. Now tell me why he got a standing ovation? He should have been booed! Deseret News also has a lot of explaining to do. They should have done their job and reported the story.

    The entire situation is infuriating!

  • He or she deserves it & more
    March 13, 2010 10:11 p.m.

    The Deseret News message board censor should receive $150,000.

    After all the work he or she will have on this topic; it would work out to just a few cents per hour, though.

  • Sammy
    March 13, 2010 10:14 p.m.

    Everybody is looking for an excuse to explain why their life is devasted.

    What are you doing with your life now? Still making excuses.

    Get over it!!!!

  • We applaud abuse?
    March 13, 2010 10:46 p.m.

    Apparently some people are so okay with child abuse, the "get over it" mentality posters like Sammy and the Utah legislature, that, maybe, abusers should go free. Perhaps our applauding legislators could save Utah money. Our elected officials could line up at the prisons and applaud and hug the offenders as they walk freely out into society. Afterall, they did it for Garn.

  • Flatlander100
    March 13, 2010 10:47 p.m.

    JMT:

    On your claim that Republicans resign when they do something wrong, and Democrats don't. Well, let's see. Gov. Spitzer [D-NY] got caught hiring prostitutes. Resigned within the week. Sen. Vitter [R-Louisiana] got caught hiring prostitutes in DC. He not only refused to resign, he was renominated by his party for re-election and now holds a leadership position in it. Sen. Ensine [R-Nevada] caught having affair with friends wife and campaign worker, and buying hubby's silence with patronage jobs. He refused to resign, sits in the Senate today.

    Let's take financial crimes. Rep. Jefferson [D-La], being investigated for graft, forced by Dem House leaders to surrender his committee assignments while investigation continues. C. Wrangle [D-NY], being investigated for corruption, forced to surrender chairmanship of House Ways and Means committee by Dem. House leadership. Tom DeLay [R-Texas], indicted for bribery, and Rep. House leadership suspends rule requiring him to step down so he can remain in leadership position.

    Better do a little more research, JMT.

  • Sensible explanation?
    March 13, 2010 10:47 p.m.

    Lots of people are hating on the legislature for applauding this guy and Herbert for hugging him. And I'm confused by it too-but I wasn't there, and neither were any of the people complaining about it, as far as I can tell.

    The main reason I can imagine any applause being offered would be as a "thanks for finally doing the right thing, and good luck in straightening up" kind of applause. But I'm not sure that required a standing ovation-a quiet and courteous one if that is typical in the venue perhaps would have been more appropriate? But again, I wasn't there. Everyone there knows how hard it will be for him, to face up to his actions, and I can imagine that they may have wanted to encourage the "coming out" of this guy to a more open telling of the actual events, and encourage him to continue on that path of coming clean.

    If that's the case, the applause may make a little more sense, and maybe isn't so reprehensible. Is it possible, or am I dreaming?

  • yeah
    March 13, 2010 11:03 p.m.

    The ovation wasn't applauding Garn's previous actions, but rather his confession... there is nothing wrong with encouraging someone to come clean from mistakes he/she has made in the past. We should appalud anytime someone shows signs of trying to change for the better.

  • Beam and Mote
    March 13, 2010 11:05 p.m.

    It is very unfortunate what happened 25 years ago. Such recklessness. I hope both people involved and their families can move beyond this and I hope we can, too.
    I think I will focus on the beams and motes in my own eye, rather than castigate anyone is public.

  • John Pack Lambert
    March 13, 2010 11:19 p.m.

    To the 7:25 commentator,
    Livingston broke 0 laws but he still resigned. Clinton committed purjury, that is a crime. So stop with the "Clinton committed no crime" rubbish.
    Mary Jo Kpeckne is all I need to say.
    You do have a point that Sanford is in office, but the Democrats saved him from his fellow Republicans trying to oust him. Larry Craig stayed on despite his fellow Republicans trying to get him to leave.
    Vitter and Ensign are disgraces, however no one quite beats Ted Kennedy, committing murder and staying in the senate for 30 more years.
    Then there is Massachusetts where they knowingly reelected a man who admitted having sexual relations with an under-age minor, and Illinois where they re-elected a man who was charged with rape.
    The fact that Garn stepped down within 48 hours of this going public does say he may have some remorse. On the other hand it may be that he knows he is in even bigger trouble for having been lieing to his ecclesiastical leaders since August of 2008, for not coming fully clean to his wife and for who knows what else.

  • Belvedere
    March 13, 2010 11:21 p.m.

    Hilarious. What a pack of hypocrites you all are. Had a liberal Democrat in congress done the same, you'd want him roasted on a spit and held aloft as an example of liberal degeneration! ROFL!

  • @11:03
    March 13, 2010 11:30 p.m.

    Sure...the courtroom busts out and applauds criminals who confess...not for their criminal actions, but because they take responsibility. Absolutely insane. Garn has stepped down but until he faces legal ramifications and is on a sex offender list he has NOT taken responsibility.

  • How humbly humbling!
    March 13, 2010 11:33 p.m.

    How very humble of you beam and mote.

  • Courtroom Trick
    March 14, 2010 12:15 a.m.

    I think the applause was the result of a courtroom trick, "recouping the room." A person/lawyer states something that gets everyone thinking one way and then quickly twists it into something else.

    Garn started with a confession and then turn into a resolute victor who was not going to be a victim of extortion.

    People like victors! Yea! Cheer! Go! Stop extortion!

    Garn didn't seem contrite. He only briefly spoke of the incident and then jumped to his own pain and victory.
    Great trick and the legislature fell for it.

  • AB
    March 14, 2010 12:35 a.m.

    How did this story get public? Maher should have resolved her differences with Garn privately. And why did she wait 30 years to say something? And why did she get in the hot tub? She made her own choices, even at 15. I am not impressed with Maher. I hope Garn is not the same man today as he was 30 years ago. People can repent -I hope he did, or is.

  • Miranda Rights or Just Tired
    March 14, 2010 12:54 a.m.

    Hey Rep. Clark and all other legislators,

    I know you had been meeting a long time, days, but didn't it occur to any of you to speak up and say something, anything, when one of your own starts with a confession to a crime in a legislative session?

    Some of you knew about this since Monday and didn't say, "This isn't the time, nor the place. In other words, 'Hey, not in this House!'"

    And for those who didn't know, none of you dared speak up, Democrat or Republican, and say, "Rep. Garn, is this the place? Perhaps you need to talk with an officer or an attorney? Do you know your Miranda Rights?"

  • RE: AB
    March 14, 2010 1:21 a.m.

    Crimes aren't repent and "resolve your differences privately" matters.
    Garn's words of being naked with a 15 year old and his actions of paying money to a witness, open a case for prosecution.
    It is public because (1) for years, the people Cheryl spoke with or wrote to, did not do their job in reporting possible child abuse. Cheryl refused to let the abuse go unaddressed and I thank her for her persistence! (2)Garn made it national news by announcing it in a legislative session where his collegues applauded.
    It isn't just public, it's national and embarrassing!

  • history
    March 14, 2010 6:22 a.m.

    Bill Clinton got off without a hitch?
    -
    -

    The man was impeached!

    If Republicans had 60 votes in the Senate he would have been the first president ever thrown out of office.

    That is the problem with our country,
    people think history is something that happened last week.

  • You said it
    March 14, 2010 8:10 a.m.

    I think this girl didn't get the new installment of $150,000.00.
    That's all I can think of why she would go to the media after signing a non disclosure agreement. Too bad she spent the money on drugs and not on therapy where it was needed. No winners here but we apparently have one sore loser.

  • most of them are clowns
    March 14, 2010 8:15 a.m.

    Politicians... Applauding, after something like that? Only clowns.

  • John Q Public
    March 14, 2010 8:59 a.m.

    It seems too many of Utah citizens are making too many excuses for our elected officials. For personal, political, religious and party reasons they are willing to forget the high honor of trust and service that are infused in our democratic elected offices. Too many have fought and died for these sacared endowments for us to tread on them so lightly. Too many of our elected officials are just not fit for public office.

  • A Leader
    March 14, 2010 9:46 a.m.

    He was the "majority leader". Those that covered up received massive political influence!

  • The Rock
    March 14, 2010 9:50 a.m.

    I just wish that all elected officials would learn this one simple truth:

    You can't hide a scandle, Satan will make certain it comes out.

    If only Kevin Garn had the brains to drop out of public life then none of this would be news and all parties would have been spared this media circus.

    The Deseret News should have told Garn that if he were to run for office again they would go public.

  • Think about it.
    March 14, 2010 11:12 a.m.

    Garn? Ywan.....bla bla bla bla bla.....Lets talk about the Clinton years!

  • John Kateel
    March 14, 2010 11:12 a.m.

    I am a long time progressive liberal Democrat who is also a member of the Unitarian church here in Utah. There is one thing that Unitarians and Latter Day Saints can probably come together and agree on. That one thing is the power of forgiveness. This is probably the greatest contribution that Christianity has to offer humanity. Kevin Garn is a human being who made a mistake a long time ago. I am not sure if paying the woman to help her heal is a mistake in itself but it probably does not look good to those on the outside looking in. I do not agree with his politics but I do feel that us liberal Democrats should not pile on for any political benefit. We should lead by example and show restraint, compassion, humility, and open our hearts to forgiveness for Kevin Garn and be supportive of the young girl who is a woman now in her own healing process.

  • The selective coverage issue
    March 14, 2010 11:20 a.m.

    We are talking about elected public officials...

    As a non-LDS Utahn I will forgive the DNews if they bury an "embarrassing" story about an LDS leader...

    I will laugh off a case of DNews giving BYU players and coaches a pass when they would expose an embarrassing incident at USU or Utah.

    But here we are not talking about "Church New" or Sports, we are talking about Legislators who are making laws that ALL Utahns have to follow. We are talking about spending Tax Dollars that have come from (basically) all Utahns...

    If someone at the DNews "buried" this story in 2002 you might as well chain your doors and close up shop... You can never be "Journalists" again.

  • Steve
    March 14, 2010 11:47 a.m.

    Garn is not the victim here. Sheryl Maher is the victim. She was 15 and he was 28, and her boss, when this happened. Whatever happened since to her was significantly affected by this trauma. The $150k is what it is, but because of her huge trauma, I'm not willing to condemn her at all for it. No money can really heal her.

    As far as the legislature applauding, they should account. Applauding his honesty? Where is his honesty? He was caught, period. He was not the victim, he was the victimizer. Why applaud him?

    As for Garn, he says it was a "mistake." What he did was not a mistake. It was not him at 17 or 18 with his 15-year-old girlfriend in that hot tub - that might very well be a mistake. It was not even him with another adult in that hot tub - that might be a mistake, except, of course, he was married to someone else. Of course in these cases, it probably would not even be news. It was him with an underage subordinate in that hot tub. There is no way this was just a mistake.

  • jill
    March 14, 2010 12:05 p.m.

    He should be locked up! He is a sex offender it is discussing what he did! I will never go into a business that he owns.

  • Dean
    March 14, 2010 12:22 p.m.

    It is so presumptuous and naive to blame a political party for the actions of an individual, who happens to be Republican in this case. We could write a big book of such indiscetions by politicians of both major parties. Neither party condones or advocates those types of personal actions... period!
    Trying to associate a bad personal decision, especially when made decades ago when the person involved wasn't even in political power with their particular party, is at best dumb politics by the accuser, and at worst is a prime example why the best and most capable in our society choose to shun politics altogether. It's the accusers, in their ignorance and desire to cast the first stone, who do the most to give politics a dirty reputation. We should be bright enough to see that a person can have (or had) personal problems, while at the same time being a great politician and making some great political decisions. We should remember that Garn was voted to a political position, not a religious one. There is a difference. Though I wouldn't want him as my church leader, his political contributions are very admirable and have helped Utah.

  • Disgusted at the DN
    March 14, 2010 12:34 p.m.

    the Editor-in-Chief Needs to explain himself and then resign in order to begin healing the rift between the public and its integrity

  • Re: "Selective coverage"
    March 14, 2010 12:35 p.m.

    NEWSFLASH: The Salt Lake Tribune had exactly the same information at the same time as the DesNews, but they also "buried" the story. Care to make the "They-did-it-to-save-a-fellow-Saint" nonsense connection? It was a salacious accusation made at a critical moment in an important campaign. Nasty accusations like this are made all the time in the closing minutes of campaigns to sabotage would-be politicians from both parties, and these tactics should ALWAYS be handled with a strong measure of skepticism until solidly proven. In this case, it did turn out to be true. But that doesn't mean that the original timing wasn't incredibly suspect.

  • Gangsta
    March 14, 2010 12:48 p.m.

    If you consider yourself a Christian, I find it hard to believe you can defend Garn at any level. To any news outlet that chose to ignore this story, your integrity is in question. The church should be ashamed if not legally questioned for covering this up as well. A minor is never guilty in a situation like this.

  • I've Thought About It
    March 14, 2010 12:54 p.m.

    Think about it:

    Bill Clinton: I did not have sex with that woman>

    Kevin Garn: I did not have sex with that, er, young girl?

  • separation of work and personal
    March 14, 2010 1:01 p.m.

    This isn't any of my business. I am not interested. We have become a nation of gossips and busybodies.

    People will pay their prices. It is not our job as the "public" to make that happen unless there is a current legal issue.

    There is not in this case. We need to 'BUTT OUT' of his business.

    There must be a separation of someone's professional and personal lives. It is simply not our business. If you take issue with how he does his job as a legislator, ok, talk about it. But his private life is no one's business.

  • His second mistake
    March 14, 2010 1:07 p.m.

    Paying $150,000 directly to this woman was his second mistake. No one can seriously believe it was to help her get over her issues. It was hush money to make her go away. And it’s obvious it was extortion on her part because she didn’t remain quiet and obviously didn’t use the money to overcome her additions and other problems.

    Offering money would have been perceived differently if he had offered to pay for her drug rehab and any necessary follow up therapy by putting money into a trust fund for her to be paid out by an attorney to facilities and therapists to help this woman overcome any problems that may have resulted in his inappropriate relationship with her.

    In truth, he cannot undo what he did and short of trying to help her overcome her current problems by offering to help pay for necessary treatment, there is nothing else he can do to make up for his past mistakes. But, by giving her cash, he did not help her to overcome her problems, but in fact probably enabled her to continue on a downward spiral.

  • bluegreengirl
    March 14, 2010 1:09 p.m.

    there's a ton more to this story: 15 years old = pedophile, this was not a one time thing with his babysitter/employee, where did the $150,000 come from, we may or may not ever know... people that cover up this sort of thing tend to stick together and shut up... except of course the poor girl that was manipulated when she was a CHILD!

  • Anonymous
    March 14, 2010 1:51 p.m.

    What was Pamela Atkinson doing there hugging the wife? Mrs. Garn was part of the scheme to pay hush money to a woman whom once baby sat for her children.

    To paraphrase Seinfeld: No Hugs for you!

  • To Separation @ 1:01
    March 14, 2010 2:08 p.m.

    Ummm... He butted into OUR business! At a legislative meeting in our state he goes public on acts with an underaged girl and hush money, then other legislators applaud. This is national news!!! Utah is being laughed at and for good reason! It is our business and our right to be outraged.

  • Good choice
    March 14, 2010 2:30 p.m.

    Good choice to resign. Horrible decisions in how Garn did it. Horrible choice to ever have run for office. Worst decision, abuse an underaged girl!

  • To John Kateel @ 11:12
    March 14, 2010 2:44 p.m.

    I agree on the power of forgiveness and that this shouldn't be a partisan issue. Garn broke laws and needs to be charged. Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, whoever does what he did with an 15 year old girl has commited a crime and the hush money makes it sooooooo much worse! People can forgive. The law needs to prosecute!

  • Lay off Garn - stop the frenzy
    March 14, 2010 2:49 p.m.

    I guess I'm feeling for the man here. He has acknowledged the error to the world, and resigned his public office. What else can he do to make amends? He has paid the lady $170,000. She agreed to not bring it up again, and is now on some kind of an ego trip to spread more hurt by bringing more females into the picture that don't need to be. For heavens sake, this was 25 years ago.

  • Lay off --NO!
    March 14, 2010 3:08 p.m.

    When Garn is charged in a court of law, when the national news stops running stories on applauding legistators, and when people saying "this is old news, leave him alone," I and others will stop. IT IS NOW NEWS and GARN MADE IT NEWS IN A VERY PUBLIC WAY. He didn't want this quiet.

  • Lay off, are you kidding?
    March 14, 2010 3:18 p.m.

    This is one of the worst PR scandals to come out of Utah is years! Garn's act and the deal he brokered for silence are criminal. He didn't act sorry. He acted angry and went into victim mode to deflect from his actions. Caught off guard, our legislators applauded!

  • DeepInTheHeartofTX
    March 14, 2010 3:27 p.m.

    It is interesting to see how some relish in the fall of LDS church members. Truth is that he is a sick man with a big problem he needs to work out. There is nothing about the situation that should indite the LDS church or the Desert News. It is what it is and it is a real shame. One must feel for his family and the young girl. I am sure that in the end justice will take it's toll on Mr. Garn and he will pay a very steep price for his actions. If is painful to watch those we trust to make and uphold our laws do so little to uphold our trust. Unfortunately this has become to common.

  • Carefully crafted tantrum
    March 14, 2010 3:31 p.m.

    Garn's so called apology was more like a carefully crafted tantrum. Because a brief confession was necessary to set himself up as a victim of extortion, he briefly expounded on the original event. Then his carefully chosen words were an adult tantrum that Garn-ered one last standing ovation from duped collegues. He is, or has, a great speech writer!

  • Re: Deep TX
    March 14, 2010 3:42 p.m.

    If you read all of the stories, the LDS Church and the Deseret News have had information that they have not acted on for many years. A money coverup--bribe was supposedly made with a bishop acting as the mediator. I am LDS and an avid Deseret News reader. I feel disgusted because this was not addressed earlier and thus has become a national matter. I do feel for the girl and for Garn's family. I don't feel so much for his wife if indeed she was there when the money for silence was brokered.

  • Clark
    March 14, 2010 4:13 p.m.

    You knew since Monday about this and allowed him to make the speech he made? Afterward, you praised him and thereby aiding in the group's standing ovation? Have you no concept of laws regarding minors? No concept of bribing a witness? Have you no daughters or neighbors? Support him privately if you want, but you are the leader and should have acted like one.

  • Reporting Spouses
    March 14, 2010 5:13 p.m.

    If I knew my husband had been sexually inappropriate with a minor I would be on the phone to the police. Depending on the circumstance I might stay married to him. However, as a mother and a woman I would make that call in a heartbeat.

  • the truth
    March 14, 2010 5:15 p.m.

    There are NO victims here,

    there are NO criminals here.


    Thats the true real fact here.


    YOu be total a idiot to believe every teenage girl is a victim.


    YOu have be total idiot to belrive every adult male is sexual predator.




    funny how regarding a WOMAN at a school grooming 14 year boys, does NOT get the same wrath,


    leads me to believe this IS political,

    and NO ONE really cares what really happened.



  • RE: the truth
    March 14, 2010 6:13 p.m.

    You are right, this IS political. Garn was an elected official. Not true that "NO ONE really cares what really happened." Do a web search. People are having a field day with Utahns--our seeming double-standard morals, especially the unexplainable applause for a public confession on what most see as child abuse.

  • Not whole now? I'm puzzled.
    March 14, 2010 6:46 p.m.

    Utah needs above-the-law legislators to be whole? Speaker Clark says we are somehow less whole. Are we really worse off because they resigned when scrutiny and laws caught up with them? As a Republican with a strong sense of morals, I am glad they are gone and ask anyone else with skeletons in their closets to resign now.

  • Thanks, Shirley, Davis GOP
    March 14, 2010 7:43 p.m.

    You didn't do a verbal "standing ovation" for the two men you now need to replace. Thank you, Shirley Bouwhuis! I appreciate your 'simply business' approach the Davis GOP faces. "Right now, it's a bit complicated, and we have to figure out the best way to do this," Bouwhuis said. "It's just so weird that this happened at the beginning of the session, and now we're dealing with it again."

  • DNew you should be ashamed!
    March 14, 2010 7:44 p.m.

    I keep reading apologist say that the Tribune had the same exact information and didn't report it, so they're just as much to blame as the DNew, but that's a lie. Garn cried and CONFESSED to the several senoir managers of the DNews. The Trib received no such confession from Garn. DNews, you are a disgrace to journalism.

  • National Sentiment
    March 14, 2010 9:16 p.m.

    I echo one of the national sentiments... Why didn't anyone, especially in his party, demand his resignation, immediately?

  • Nationally, locally
    March 14, 2010 9:31 p.m.

    Nationally, people wonder why no one asked or demanded his resignation. Locally, I want to know whose juristiction it is to prosecute? From what county or city prosecutors should we expect action?

  • To Dean @ 12:22
    March 14, 2010 9:45 p.m.

    I don't blend the party with the man. I can still be a Republican. But Garn, he didn't come up with that much great legislation. He was one of the bunch. We won't miss him and I think people need to quit extending thank yous to him. It makes this state look foolish. Read some of the online posts from across the nation concerning how shocking it is to hear Utahns keep speaking up for this man.

  • Re: Jill
    March 14, 2010 9:50 p.m.

    Great idea, Jill! Good one that the general public can act on. Don't spend money in his businesses!

  • Ohio, Washington DC, Miami
    March 14, 2010 9:56 p.m.

    Stories are everywhere. Mostly about the bizarre clapping....Who would applaud such a speech?

  • In common
    March 14, 2010 10:05 p.m.

    Never thought I'd have something in common with someone who calls themself "gangsta," @ 12;34 but I do. I give a wholehearted thumbs up to everything you said.

  • Hawaii, Minn., Maryland, too
    March 14, 2010 10:42 p.m.

    I expect to see it in Time Magazine this week. Wow, what a way for the state to make news. Big mistake to give him time in such a public forum.

  • Judging to denounce abuse?
    March 14, 2010 10:53 p.m.

    If it is judging to state my objections to child abuse then I am guilty. It doesn't seem that anything but public pressure open Garn's eyes to the resigning option.

  • Lesson for All of Us
    March 15, 2010 10:42 a.m.

    Absolute Power corrupts Absolutely, and a One Party State is ultimately never a good thing. Vote them All Out when their term is up.

  • So many idiots
    March 15, 2010 1:04 p.m.

    Many comments are inaccurate, quote incorrect facts, make faulty assumptions and come to wrong conclusions.

    The applause was NOT for Kevin Garn's "confession" in front of the Legislature. AFTER Garn spoke, Dave Clark spoke (look it up and see who he is and what he had to say). THEN came the applause. It was in response to Clark's words, not as any appoval or even response to Garn. Are you people unable to read or do you just have zero comprehension? Read MORE than one article. The DesNews was not the only one Cheryl emailed with her story. Other news outlets including the SLTrib also received the emails. Who knows who all Cheryl told her story to. There is more to this story than ANY of us know. I might suggest avoiding JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS and CONDEMNING anyone and everything at least until you know the facts, if you ever do. In fact, how about we practice forgiveness rather than condemnation? The Garns and Mayer both have children. Why is Cheryly dragging all this out again so they will all have to suffer more?

  • Homer
    March 15, 2010 1:13 p.m.

    So is there going to be a police investigation? Or does Mr. Garn escape with a little slap on his hand? If you or I, ordinary citizens, climbed naked into a hot tub with a 15-year-old we would be prosecuted and if convited, branded a sex offender for the rest of your life. But I guess as a Republican, LDS politician, the same rules won't apply.

  • So many? @ 1:04
    March 15, 2010 3:37 p.m.

    No idiot here. I totally get it and don't thing you do. It is blatantly obvious that Clark rallied the troops to stand and support a person who had never before admitted to child abuse with law enforcement nor had he admitted to hushing it up. He gave him a public forum, piled on accolades, and then got the group clapping. TOTALLY WRONG IF YOU ASK ME AND MANY OTHER PEOPLE! Cheryl dragging this out again? Huh? If Garn had been a real man years ago 1. this wouldn't have happened when she was 15 2. this coverup wouldn't have happened because he would have come clean in 2002 3. this wouldn't have happened because he wouldn't have kept seeking public office. This is Garn and all of his supports. We the public get that!

  • Anonymous
    March 15, 2010 4:35 p.m.

    You can fool some people Mr. Garn, you will not fool God and mock him with your spin job and omissions.

  • Anonymous
    March 15, 2010 4:44 p.m.

    Just because there was not sex, sex abuse did occur and he needs to admit this. This was not happenstance, this is a classic case of child grooming that predators set up to prey on the vulnerable.

    Garn should be prosecuted for his actions.

  • Anonymous
    March 15, 2010 6:56 p.m.

    Repentance and forgiveness are important doctrines in almost all religions.

    D&C 58:43
    43 By this ye may know if a man repenteth of his sins–behold, he will confess them and forsake them."

    Mr. Garn, when you try to cover up a sin, and bribe your victim to do it, then we can be confident you did not repent.

  • John Pack Lambert
    March 15, 2010 8:44 p.m.

    To the 12:34 commentor,
    Joseph Cannon was not the editor-in-chief in 2002 and had no knowledge of the discussions then. The editor-in-chief then was John Hughes, who has since left that position and the last I heard was a professor at BYU.
    So we can not fire Joseph Cannon for the actions of his predecessor.
    The managing editor is the same person, and you MIGHT make a credible case for going after him. However Joseph Cannon is in no way at fault.
    However, we must remember that it is an open issue what was really divulged by Garn in 2002, who was present to hear it and so on. Did people know the girl was 15 at the time, or did no one bother to explain it involved a minor and an adult? Did Garn give full details, and has anyone faced up to the inplications of the statement of Garn's brother-in-law in Spangler's article about Garn that this guy thought when Garn told him "I just filed" that he had filed for divorce. That seems to be a really odd expectation unless the brother-in-law knew something.

  • Anonymous
    March 16, 2010 5:31 p.m.

    I would hope that stories like this do not have people concluding that all Mormons find Garn's predatory behavior to be ok. As a Mormon I find his acts DESPICABLE AND DISGUSTING. I find the cover up and this lame announcement by him to be absolutely shameful. I find the excusing and accepting of CHILD ABUSE to be outrageous. There are MANY good LDS people that find this story and those of child abuse like it to be Horrendous.

  • nojustice
    March 17, 2010 1:45 a.m.

    These politicians are quick to point fingers and make laws that will put people in prison for having sex with their boyfriend or girlfriend. This man is no different, he needs to pay the same price as others. Registry, prison, sex offender treatment, probation fees, or parole fees. This is what happens to others that are placed on the registry, sometimes for less than what he did.

  • sinners
    March 18, 2010 6:34 a.m.

    do you love my Jesus?

    Dems, repubs, indep., etc. are all sinners. If that is so, if you believe that, then you should examine each candidate for what they will do for the people, and not vote like sheep because someone or some org. told you to.

    amen.

  • Anonymous
    March 18, 2010 3:20 p.m.

    I would need massive therapy if Garn exposed himself to me.

  • Anonymous
    March 18, 2010 4:02 p.m.

    Some of you need to pull your heads out of the denial hole in the sand and realize what this man did is a sex crime.

    There are people on the sex offender registry list that have committed this same crime against children.

  • Sharon Sullivan
    March 27, 2010 9:55 p.m.

    As a long time resident of Utah living in Canada I have noticed that this type of behavior is very prevalent in Utah but hidden. Of course us women are always to blame for being seductive and tempting these so called rightous men. The double standard is alive and well in Utah where womens only purpose is to service mens needs. Women in Utah do not help or defend each other and instead put the blame on the victim. The whole thing makes me want to vomit!

  • Anonymous
    April 5, 2010 1:25 a.m.

    I just wish my venial sins had been treated by the visible or unseen hand of Utah officialdom. I guess it's all in the behind doors connections