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Mormons, other Christians decry Glenn Beck comments on social justice

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  • Anonymous
    March 12, 2010 7:00 p.m.

    Glenn Beck is an angry and uncivil man. I am surprised that so many church members love him.

  • Shaken Testimony
    March 12, 2010 7:14 p.m.

    The DN article left out that Glenn Beck encouraged listeners to search their church's web-site and if it contains the words "social justice" to leave.
    I is secret code words for "communists".

    So, I'm LDS and the LDS church website had nearly a dozen hits.

    What should I do NOW!!! (sarcasm)!!!

  • Anonymous
    March 12, 2010 7:34 p.m.

    I like Glenn Beck.

  • Richard
    March 12, 2010 7:54 p.m.

    I am somewhat amazed at some of the comments made in this article. As I understand, the term "social justice" doesn't have anything to do with the christian concept of a personal responsibilty to contribute to, help or assist the widow and the poor. Social Justice as I understand it relates more to Satan's plan to "save everyone", where an earthly group of people seek power to right the wrongs of perceived or supposed social injustices. The problem is these groups eventually end up more evil trying to solve the problem than the original problem itself.

  • Rod
    March 12, 2010 7:55 p.m.

    Beck is a media clown. Amusing so many of you people take him serious.

  • Ken Goddard
    March 12, 2010 7:58 p.m.

    Religion is a curse upon the earth. Does more harm than good. Just look around at all the problems it creates and causes. The cost of religous strife would pay for all the needs of the needy.

  • Osgrath
    March 12, 2010 7:58 p.m.

    Glenn Beck is not a political or social commentator as much as he is in the entertainment business. If he isn't controversial no one listens to his radio programs or watches his TV shows. As such he always lives close to the edge, and obviously will cross the line on occasion. This would not be the first time he has made enemies, nor will it be the last.

    I for one do not care. I can handle is shtick in small doses, but it contains far too much vitriol for my tastes. However, he is a vast improvement over people like Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh, who preach a gospel of negativity and hate that really grates on me. There is enough of that in the world already, and I don't support it whether it comes from a U.S. based talking head or an Islamic jihadist in Pakistan.

  • Anonymous
    March 12, 2010 8:01 p.m.

    "People endeavor with all of our frailties and shortcomings to love one another and to lift up other people. So if that's Beck's definition of social justice, he and I are definitely not on the same team."
    ----
    Don't worry. It isn't. Beck just has a problem with government mandated 'charity' which isn't a doctrine of the lds church either. You should only have to report to your own conscious and God in how to use your money, not the government. Individual people may try to twist the doctrine of charity to fit within the socialist ideal, and that is what he is warning against and telling listeners to run from, not any religion as a whole. As any one who listens to him regularly would know, Beck is still a devout Mormon and supports charitable causes all the time.
    I think this subject could have been researched a little more instead of basing it so much on the isolated quotes progressive blogs have hyped. Notice most of these originations don't care too much about church rights except when it comes to trying to separate a person with values from their base.

  • Anonymous
    March 12, 2010 8:01 p.m.

    I am offened at those who pretend to know Jesus yet fail to live by his teachings.
    Glen Beck and shawn Hannity are two peas in a pod. They both say they believe but
    fail to live by. I don't mean in their private lives I mean in their public life.
    In fact if you truly believe in Jesus you would not be able to keep the job of
    spreading hate around the world. The unconditional love and forgiveness that
    christ taught us is all there is. Yes that means providing for your brother.
    It doesn't mean you get to pick how much you provide or who you provide it for,
    or what you provide.SO as you sit in your easy chair thinking yourself to be godly.
    Just remember jesus gave his life so you could be free and you will not even give your
    suffering brother health care so they might could live.Shameful Beck you too Hannity
    he is watching and only he knows your heart. The book says it is not what goes in to a
    man that defiles him.It is what comes out, that comes from the heart.

  • IdahoMike
    March 12, 2010 8:04 p.m.

    I heard Glenn warn about promoters of "social justice" and "economic justice". Glenn has a clear point of view. I love that. That BYU Prof KP Jackson defined "social justice" as loving and helping others. Who can argue against that basic charitable Christian ethic? Jackson could have easily distinguished between free will charity and the "compelled giving" that pollutes our tax codes. I hope Glenn continues to speak his mind. By reactions from people like Jackson, I'm more convinced that Glenn is worth listening to.

  • Yes to RIchard
    March 12, 2010 8:18 p.m.

    Richard got it right. WHen the government forces or regulates you to "share wealth..." it is of Lucifer. WHen it provides freedom and incentive to do that it is voluntary. In the context of Becks complete message and my understanding of Becks dialogue was that if a church endorsed this government forcing social justice......."

  • Wendy
    March 12, 2010 8:29 p.m.

    I agree with Beck! You have to listen to his radio program daily and then you would totally understand what his message is.

  • Justification
    March 12, 2010 8:29 p.m.

    I love how Beck followers will now go on to justify how Beck's words are actually a good thing. Here we are in a time when the LDS and many other churches are talking about how religion is under attack, and then Beck comes out and says something like this. Beck is a man who promotes ungodliness through his anger, fear mongering, and support for greed.
    You can't be a Christian and listen to Beck.

  • Z
    March 12, 2010 8:31 p.m.

    I must agree with several posters above. It seems to me that those quoted in the article are either uninformed about what Glenn Beck has actually said, or they are deliberately trying to misunderstand him. I suspect the latter.

    Anyone who has listened even modestly to Beck knows that he is completely in favor of true charity--meaning kindness offered through the exercise of free will. Charity forced, however, is no kind of charity at all, and this sort of doublespeak has been used throughout history to enable vast and brutal control of society and the forceable redistribution of wealth.

    That is what Glenn is referring to when he urges his listeners to avoid "social justice". And even a casual listener, who is not actively trying to promote an alternative agenda would know that.

  • Marc
    March 12, 2010 8:32 p.m.

    Perhaps whoever questioned Prof. Jackson should have explained (as Beck has done avidly over the past few days) what he meant by "social justice" as it relates to the separation of Church and State.
    I have taken numerous courses from Prof. Jackson and nothing that I have heard from him would counter what Beck has explained. In fact, Prof. Jackson's lecture on the New Testament concerning "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" coincides quite a bit with what Beck has said concerning the correct influence of the Church and Government when it comes to the individual.

  • Alan
    March 12, 2010 8:33 p.m.

    It's Simple, if you listen to Glenn for a while, you learn 2 important things:

    1) He uses shock/comedy to entertain.

    2) He is consistently spreading the news of:

    - Forced "charity" by government taxation = bad
    - Caring for the poor by personal choice = good

    It is that "Forced Charity" at the hands of Government that he is warning against and saying that this often goes by the euphamism of "social justice".

  • Truth = Love
    March 12, 2010 8:35 p.m.

    Beck is not following what Christ has intended for our planet- but then again neither have people on the extreme Left. God's plan is to make sure that Zion returns to this Earth. That can only happen when all people are filled with LOVE towards their fellow man. Just read up on Enoch and see how they did everything they could to help each other and not tear each other down or seek after their own personal gains.
    The extremism that has been growing in Politics (and radio/TV talk show hosts on both sides) over the last few years is the opposite of what God would want- Just read the New Testament, Torah, Quran, Rig Veda, Teachings of Buddha, or any history of the world and see what happens when people turn completely against each other with no chance of civil discourse between them.
    The LDS church has always said the Gospel is SIMPLE. LOVE is the most SIMPLE thing in the world. Stop the HATE and EXTREMISM on both sides.

  • JohnK
    March 12, 2010 8:36 p.m.

    Go Glenn Beck. You are right on brother. The bible DOES NOT TEACH SOCIAL JUSTICE. Lame liberals do that and use the good name of Jesus. Shame on them. So many false prophets and misinterpretations of the bible by various and sundy "preachers" its disgusting. I have followed the Social Justice movement for decades, its a guise for socialists, period.

  • WAHARRY
    March 12, 2010 8:37 p.m.

    Social justice is the application of the concept of justice on a social scale.

    The term "social justice" was coined by the Jesuit Luigi Taparelli in the 1840s. The idea was elaborated by the moral theologian John A. Ryan, who initiated the concept of a living wage. Father Coughlin used the term in his publications in the 1930s and 40s, and the concept was further expanded upon by John Rawls' writing in the 1990s. It is one of the Four Pillars of the Green Party upheld by the worldwide green parties. Some tenets of social justice have been adopted by those on the left of the political spectrum.

    Social justice is also a concept that some use to describe the movement towards a socially just world. In this context, social justice is based on the concepts of human rights and equality and involves a greater degree of economic egalitarianism through progressive taxation, income redistribution, or even property redistribution, policies aimed toward achieving that which developmental economists refer to as more equality of opportunity and equality of outcome than may currently exist in some societies or are available to some classes in a given society.

    I agree with Glenn Beck

  • JohnK
    March 12, 2010 8:38 p.m.

    Lets keep the government out, and lets put the heart of the people in, of the equation of love. Socialism is a bad counterfeit of true religion.

  • Anonymous
    March 12, 2010 8:39 p.m.

    The media is the clown, actually. They have a Liberal, Progressive agenda and are loving every second of this. Pitting Christians against Glenn Beck is exactly what they seek to do. It is the only way they can penetrate the stronghold. Americans need to be weary of their government, which includes the government run media. Think for yourselves. Educate yourself, don't depend on your church or pastor to do so. Glenn refers to Social Justice in political terms. It has nothing to do with actual, real charity and giving. Politicians, parties, and movements will attach themselves to the words "social justice" because it sounds good. Who would speak out against that? Just do some research. Communism, Socialism and the like will latch on to any words that they can manipulate the public with. Leave Glenn alone, really. Education, research, instinct, trust. The media and the government NEED Christians to hate Glenn Beck, don't you get that!?

  • Fred
    March 12, 2010 8:44 p.m.

    Glenn Beck is Rush Limbaugh (lite) pay no attention to him. He was a clown in his other professional and he still is a clown. Old habits die hard the tears of a clown when no one is around.

  • Anonymous
    March 12, 2010 8:46 p.m.

    See, this is why some people think that Christians are whacko. They believe anything they are told. Just think for yourselves for once. Educate yourselves on the history of what social justice really means. It's just a political agenda you guys. Seriously!? Read, read, read.

  • Hmmm
    March 12, 2010 8:47 p.m.

    Funny that people are saying he is being quoted out of context or mis-quoted.

    That medicine must be hard for Glenn Beck to swallow as he's the king of out of context quoting and mis-quoting to argue his points.

    I guess if you feel passionate and cry for the audience, you must be right.

  • Anonymous
    March 12, 2010 8:48 p.m.

    Amen, Z, Amen!

  • me
    March 12, 2010 8:52 p.m.

    You should listen to Beck before all of our freedom is gone. Going through your religion is just another way for the liberals to get to you!

  • Anonymous
    March 12, 2010 9:10 p.m.

    Perhaps it would be more convenient if we replaced the gospels with Atlas Shrugged?

    The party comes before God, as usual.

  • Anonymous
    March 12, 2010 9:19 p.m.

    Beck yells alot.

  • Christian Beck Supporter
    March 12, 2010 9:22 p.m.

    Go Glenn Beck GO!! May God Bless You with continued wisdom. Keep preaching the truth Brother. Help the scales fall off people's eyes. Continue to help SAVE this Wonderful country before it is too late. Glenn, you are right on. I believe Obama believes he is doing the right thing but really, he is following the voice of evil. The original good that Unions were supposed to provide like protection and safety for the employee has gone overboard and now the US can't compete in manufacturing. Stop listening to Union Leaders Obama. Unions, stop being so greedy. The love of money is the root of ALL Evil!!

  • K. Christian
    March 12, 2010 9:25 p.m.

    JohnK, I submit that the false prophets can be found amoung the right-wingers who state that God blesses people by making them rich--an outright perversion of Christ's teachings, but oh, how you dittoheads love to hear it...in evangelicals who use the name "Christian" to veil their hate-mongering and attacks on others...in the far-right GOP who insist that we need to merge church and state when that's a contradiction both of Jesus's teachings AND the intention of our founding fathers. Glenn Beck and his followers like you are using your so-called faith as a club, bashing fellow Christians with names like "Nazi" and "communist" and other cherry-bomb terminology. Please remember that Paul instructed us that the moment you judge someone else, you have condemned yourself. Now read your own comment again, and see if you need to ask for forgiveness before it's too late. A good place to make a new start is to stop listening to people like Glenn Beck, who twist the words of Christ to fit an extremist political agenda and to create diviseness between people of faith.

  • Linda
    March 12, 2010 9:29 p.m.

    I enjoy Glenn you have to listen all the time to really catch his meaning. It is time Americans wake up and see what is really happening in government and all get envolved.

  • St
    March 12, 2010 9:36 p.m.

    Glenn Beck is a strong believer in the constitution and adhering to the principles of the founding fathers. He likes very much Cleon Skousen's book "The 5000 Year Leap" that discusses 28 Principles of Freedom our Founding Fathers said must be understood and perpetuated by every people who desire peace, prosperity, and freedom. I agree with Glenn. The opponents of freedom have couched their beliefs with euphemisms like "social justice" that sound good on the surface but which have a meaning and consequences for strong government control that restricts freedom and in some cases eliminates it.

  • Fritter
    March 12, 2010 9:39 p.m.

    Glen Beck is helping to save this country from the fools that are trying to destroy us from the inside....do NOT stop watching him. If you do not want freedoms.....stop watching him

  • Bad reporting
    March 12, 2010 9:45 p.m.

    ABC News (TV) reported the church's response as coming from the Church of Latter-Day Saints. Too bad they can't be accurate to at least get the name right.

  • Mark Tucson
    March 12, 2010 9:51 p.m.

    We were warned of anti-Christs.It seemed so obvious that the liberal soup would be the vessel from which it would arise. Deception is the devils trademark and presto changejo we have the true germinalooze in the form of fox news. Yeah the rhyme was intentional. Hokey huh!

  • Marc
    March 12, 2010 9:51 p.m.

    WAHARRY hit it right on the head. I just finished reading John Rawls' "Justice as Fairness" in which he (as one of the ideological heads of the current liberal movement) calls for a Utopian society to be established. To do this:
    1) No property rights - "society" owns the property and gives everyone an equal portion.
    2) Equalization of Wages - No one in society is allowed to earn more than anyone else, unless by them making more it benefits the "least advantaged of society."
    3) Everyone must have the same opportunities for everything - education, profession, etc.
    4) Marriage is important, only so far as people have children (to perpetuate society). As far as he's concerned single mothers are encouraged and will be provided for by society. But if having a child isn't convenient, abortion is justified.
    5) All ideologies, religions, etc. must conform to an "overlapping consensus" - all people and groups that don't teach/advocate for things within that consensus are "irrational and unreasonable".
    6) If you don't adhere to these things, "society" has every right to coerce (force) you to. There is no such thing as freedom of choice or agency.
    Sounds great, huh?

  • Judd
    March 12, 2010 9:54 p.m.

    Glenn is simply saying forced charity by the governement is wrong. We should be anxiously enagaged in good acts,because we love oour fellow man. We do not need to be forced , coworse by
    government or religion to help others. However when you by force take from me to give to you. You have crossed the line. That is communism. The needs of the many are great then the nees of the one. It never has worked. Ever! Glen understands that do you?

  • Re: Richard
    March 12, 2010 9:56 p.m.

    I feel sorry for you.

  • Thinkin' Man
    March 12, 2010 9:59 p.m.

    Beck warned about churches (and others) who use the phrase "social justice" as a cover for communistic principles. He didn't mean others.

    This isn't complicated.

  • B.
    March 12, 2010 9:59 p.m.

    It seems like 'respectable' members of the church want to distance themselves from Beck. Don't get so uncomfortable! The guy is just expressing an opinion. I have listened to Beck and I think in this situation, he is right. 'Social Justice' isn't the same as 'Social Mercy.' Most of us believe in mercy and I'm positive Glenn Beck does too.

  • Sandy
    March 12, 2010 10:06 p.m.

    America, Glen Beck has just wasted another hour of your time.

  • seeker
    March 12, 2010 10:08 p.m.

    The definition of the term "social justice" is the key to this debate. I appreciated the comments of WAHARRY as his definition shows that this term is an enemy to the freedoms we enjoy in America today. I have listened to Glen enough to be convinced he is a sincere Christian. His goal is to motivate the American people to be informed.

  • llanquihue
    March 12, 2010 10:09 p.m.

    Foolish and disingenuous leftists. The U.S. is actively engaged looking out for and reaching out to the unfortunate; see the hundreds of billions spent in social programs each year combined with the hundreds of millions of private donations. There is never any discussion of personal responsibility; Jesus Christ's teaching emphasized the responsibility of the individual to obey the commandments, be a good citizen, etc.

    What is the result of hundreds of billions spent each year? 1. Leftists clamoring for even more redistribution of private wealth and 2. Stagnant or deteriorating conditions of most of those in need.....read the situation gets worse and worse.

  • Anonymous
    March 12, 2010 10:15 p.m.

    Funny how it's okay for the government to do corporate welfare, but not "social justice."

  • What is social justice
    March 12, 2010 10:58 p.m.

    Social justice is not charity. It is the Gov't picking winners and losers. It is the Gov't taking by force, aka jailtime or fines. Charity is when a person chooses,yes chooses to give to those who need help. Obama wants to take away the tax deductions for charity. How is that going to help religion. Religious people need to wake and see what is happening.

    Where in the bible is social justice ever used. Remember social justice is forced charity not free will.

  • Freedom4Ever
    March 12, 2010 11:04 p.m.

    To Anonymous: "Funny how it's okay for the government to do corporate welfare, but not 'social justice.'" First, it's not funny at all. Second, it's not OK to do either.

  • Ellyn
    March 12, 2010 11:14 p.m.

    I read all the above comments, and I think to myself, what has happened, in America, that it is considered right to judge one another? Really, we are supposed to judge the difference between right
    and wrong,only. And, why should each of us base our preference for or against on what other people
    say: by listening to negative talk; rather than watching and listening on our own, and making up or own minds--individually?! If we do not do this, we will not get the complete story--the whys and wherefores of every situation: therefore, we do not get the whole, complete truth, and who wants that?
    The plain and simple truth is that, if more people would watch the Glenn Beck Show, they would realize that he is a Christian,that he is concerned about America, and that he really does have the truth on his side. Everyone who does watch the show, knows that he is tolerant of people, that he has a warm
    heart, a strong and keen mind: always good for people to be like that, but in his position of reporting the news, should he be any different? His documentaries are the best...Okay??!!

  • Shelrell
    March 12, 2010 11:18 p.m.

    I am LDS and find myself embarassed by Glenn Becks outlandish comments. I cringe when I see things like this recent comment he made about social justice.....please know that Glenn Beck does not speak for me or any of the LDS people that I know. I know others may love him and believe him, but I am not one of his "followers". I wish he'd just stop talking.

  • Re: Anonymous 10:15 pm
    March 12, 2010 11:20 p.m.

    If you are inferring that Mr. Beck is in favor of corporate welfare you are wrong. He has consistently opposed the bailouts that Bush initiated and that have continued under Obama.

  • pjex
    March 12, 2010 11:28 p.m.

    The Next time glenn beck calls his listeners "America" he should include the subtext of "extreme right wing conservatives being the only real Americans". That's his message and IMO it's an undemocratic sense of "patriotism."

  • free speech?
    March 12, 2010 11:30 p.m.

    Let Glenn Beck have his opinions. The fact is that term "social justice" is used to promote socialism and communism, two systems guaranteed to cripple our economy and lower our standard of living.

  • Use Your Brain
    March 12, 2010 11:48 p.m.

    Glenn Beck was right.

    Absolutely right.

    "Social justice", as meant by Glenn in this particular conversation is clearly talking about socialism/forced communism.

    Did Christ want us to look out for others and to use our blessings, including our financial wealth, to help the less fortunate?

    Of course.

    But the difference is that this kind of giving should be done freely, by one's own choice, not forced or dictated or demanded or imposed by the government.

    Christ taught love for your fellow man, not forced socialism.

    Anyone that can't see that is a fool.

    Dan Maloy

  • Hypocrisy
    March 12, 2010 11:53 p.m.

    Why is Beck complaining about redistribution of wealth?

    What redistribution has been done? The wealthy from what I've seen, are still wealthy. While the poor are still poor.

    This redistribution of wealth nonsense that Beck keeps harping on is getting old. Just another desperate scare tactic from the right.

  • Canadian Guy
    March 12, 2010 11:55 p.m.

    I sincerely hope that no LDS member with any knowledge of American or church history has been decieved by the leftist liberal propoganda, which uses social justice and communism disguised as caring for the needy and love for one another, being used to smear Glenn. Just do a little research on what Joseph Smith Said about the divinely inspired Constitution and freedom. Free agency is an eternal principle and it is clear that the final battle between good (freedom) and evil(control/communism)is beginning to truly manifest itself. forced charity doesn't equal love for your fellow man, that comes through voluntary and loving giving. I cannot understand how anyone who professes to be mormon cannot understand this simple concept. Just like in the church, we give voluntarily, fast offerings to help the poor and needy, and can give voluntarily our tithes and other offerings to be spent on specific causes.

    Great work Glenn. Keep enlightening the people, the world needs it.

  • FB:SirStrider
    March 12, 2010 11:56 p.m.

    I started studying the LDS gospel 40 years ago. I started studying Glenn Beck maybe 10 weeks ago. But, I have put in over 100 hours listening to him. Have you? Or are you judging his comments on a few sound bytes? If you have truly listened to GB, you would know that he supports gospel concepts like free agency and charity. You would know that the specific "code" phrases of "social justice" and "economic justice" are referring to organizations, especially governments, that would DENY free agency, FORCE redistribution of wealth, and are prevalent code phrases for both communist and socialist movements on the left, and fascist movements on the right, and meant in the political arena. GB preaches charity and support of those in need, but as an individual's CHOICE, not through an organization's DEMANDS. I dare say that GB's teachings parallel Christian gospel teachings as closely as anyone I have heard or seen in the public "entertainment" realm. Anyone that says differently has not done his homework, IMHO. GB would have us return to our founding fathers’ Christian principles as stated in our great nation’s Constitution and Bill of Rights. Amen to THAT!

  • Nora
    March 13, 2010 12:50 a.m.

    The Church has been a tool of the wicked in history. Evil infiltrates the works of the good to destroy them.
    The Church, in and of itself is not good, it is the people within it that make is good or evil.
    False profits abound in history and the church is their favorite place to hide.
    If a supposed "man of god" preaches hatred and trys to lead his flock to dispise others he is a faulse profit.
    God is about love and choosing. If God does not force anyone to follow HIM, how can it be right for man to attempt to force others to give of the fruits of their labors to others.
    ANYONE trying to take rights given to humanity by HIM is most definately not on God's side, and therefor works for the devil.

    Makes it pretty easy to spot the bad guys. They think they have a right to TELL YOU what to do and when. Those who promote freedom are the good guys.

    Yes, shed bad churches that have been corrupted.

  • sunshine
    March 13, 2010 12:52 a.m.

    Yes to free agency and all that, but, come now--would the USA have developed the size of the middle class that it has now (which ensures the continued existence of some measure of democracy in this country---the ideals of which you who agree with Beck seem to want to uphold) if the underpriviledged were helped by private charity alone? Where the moneyed control the government(big corporations, for instance---ooops--anyone remember the latest Supreme Court Decision about enabling big money to buy political leadership in this country?)the popular term used is plutocracy because big money doesn't want to think about your welfare or mine. They want to control the government so they could get more from little you and me with absolute impunity. Beck does give you a definition, but that's nothing to go by. What you should watch out for is his end game, where you are made his pawn by listening to his words. And nothing about Beck's show is spiritual---it's just plain greed hiding behind words of spirituality--the hook that gets good-hearted and well-intentioned people. So, watch out, you good people.

  • Thank you Mr. Beck
    March 13, 2010 12:59 a.m.

    Corporate executives taking 400 times what their workers earn is not wrong. But taxing such a corporate executive at a higher rate as the young mother struggling to support her family is wrong.

    Therefore

    Voting for republicans who fight tooth and nail every time there is a tax cut to give the lions share to the rich is right,

    But voting for moderate democrats is wrong.

    Churches such as the original Christian church and the original LDS church who taught there should be no rich and no poor, that people should have all things in common is wrong.

    Thank you Mr. Beck for teaching us what is right and what is wrong.

  • Why is Mr. Beck complaining?
    March 13, 2010 1:03 a.m.

    Over the past 30 years, the divide between rich and poor has gotten wider, corporate execs now take more than 400 times what their workers do, in the late 1970's it was about 30 times as much. Furthermore they get this money regardless of how the companies they direct do financially, if they do poorly, stock options are repriced, false information is put out and they still get the 400 times amount

    Heaven forbid that the government should tax these people more than the janitor. That would be communism.

  • Rachel
    March 13, 2010 1:03 a.m.

    Have none of you noticed any of the economic and property laws that exist in the Old Testament, and their frequent emphasis on caring for those in need? What about the laws of the harvest? What about the Jubilee? Did the Prophets not make it clear what will happen to NATIONS that ignore and oppress the poor, the orphaned, and the alien? God does not just call individuals to righteousness, but all human structures, and that includes government. We are right to press for an end to abortion, but we also need to look at God's constant emphasis to all nations on charity, mercy, and justice.

  • response
    March 13, 2010 1:07 a.m.

    Anonymous | 7:00 p.m. March 12, 2010
    Glenn Beck is an angry and uncivil man. I am surprised that so many church members love him.
    ------------

    Because so many LDS church members are shallow and don't have "correct principals" written in their souls.

  • jehova
    March 13, 2010 1:09 a.m.

    Glenn Beck is an admitted alcoholic. Alcoholics are wicked and sinful people, full of venom and slander. The LORD our GOD hears Glenn Beck and will pass judgment soon.
    “Beware false prophets-you will know them by their fruits.” Matthew 7:15-29 Jesus/Sermon on the mount
    ‘If someone should preach a different gospel-let that one be accursed”
    Galatians 1:6-18

  • Say it to my face evil voter
    March 13, 2010 1:36 a.m.

    "Use Your Brain"

    Why don't you use the small brain that your God gave you since if he created you he must be a moron since look at the product he created in his own image.

    "Glenn Beck was right."

    Glenn Beck is wrong and his votes harm my family so it's time for this moron to run for Congress so the trash that agree with him can vote for him.

    "But the difference is that this kind of giving should be done freely, by one's own choice, not forced or dictated or demanded or imposed by the government."

    We aren't asking for anyone to give anything to us. It was our money in the first place and it's not right that we must build the roads to your church and give you tax deductions for your tithing and fast offerings.

    "Christ taught love for your fellow man, not forced socialism."

    I don't care what Christ taught and if he wants to vote then he can come down to earth and cast his votes like the rest of us.

    Anyone that can't see that is a fool.

    Say it to my face *****

  • LDS consecration not socialism
    March 13, 2010 1:44 a.m.

    In socialist/communist/collectivist theory, social justice and so forth are imposed by government via force and coercion. This is contrary to LDS teachings.

    I don't know what Beck means, but I have run in to a lot of people who think they are LDS and yet are in favor of using government to force me to pay for others' wants and needs. God does not deprive me of agency, and neither can you.

    If I want to consecrate my property including my money via voluntary sacrifice to the well-being of others, I know it will pull down the blessings of heaven. Joseph Smith said I get to decide which of my material means I can keep for my "wants and needs" (notice wants is listed first, but also refers to reasonable wants) and that I decide what is surplus to be consecrated to others. Being forced to do so is slavery and will not invoke blessings from heaven.

  • regressives
    March 13, 2010 1:44 a.m.

    Progressives, as they call themselves are really 'regressives' since they are moving backwards towards the total government control of individuals that is the essence of the old monarchal governments of Europe.
    Americans love their freedom of religion that is in the bill of rights. Americans do not want to go back to the state religion that immigrants from Europe 'pilgrims' fled in coming to this continent.
    Let's all thank Glenn for helping us to realize these truths and the value of limited government with the checks and balances of the Constitution.
    Everyone that reads the '5000 year leap' will have these valuable liberties that we have in America crystallize in their minds and in their hearts.
    God bless America and keep us safe from the 'regressives' that are promoting a march back to loss of liberties and charging it to the credit of the American taxpayer with the subsidy funds used to promote so called 'social justice' a code word for government control of our churches..

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 1:52 a.m.

    Haha, this article is a joke. Focuses on a narrow comment and doesn't present the counter-argument. Way to present both sides. I could take the title of this article, "Mormons decry Glenn Beck", as the entire Mormon base decries Glenn Beck. Maybe, just maybe, there's more to the story. Bias Glenn Beck getting called out by this bias author. Oh what fun.

  • lucy
    March 13, 2010 2:10 a.m.

    this so called christian church ..love and service is tax deductible,political and church have the same agenda,money and power.church being the most dangerous.JESUS CHRIST has not church or government in this world.

  • iii
    March 13, 2010 2:23 a.m.

    From above:

    "What redistribution has been done? The wealthy from what I've seen, are still wealthy. While the poor are still poor."

    What do you call welfare? We pay taxes so that people in need can recieve "help". Isn't that "redistribution" (taking from one and giving to another) money (also refered to as "wealth")from tax payers to those who are less fortunate?

    Sure some people do need assistance but it should NOT come from the government. It should be done by individuals, by their own free will and choice.

    Also. The rich are rich, for now. But what is to keep them here doing business and paying taxes? They are the most mobile of all citizens, why shouldn't they leave and do business elsewhere? Has communism EVER worked....NOPE. It is always corrupted by officials, who want everyone to be equal except for themselves.

    IF YOU WANT SOCIALISM and/or COMMUNISM GO TO IT. THEY WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HAVE YOU.

    P.S. I know I can't spell.

  • lucy
    March 13, 2010 2:49 a.m.

    glen beck,JESUS CHRIST has not church or government in this world.

  • Bot
    March 13, 2010 4:21 a.m.

    Marion G. Romney would approve of Glenn Beck's views on charity. It must be freely given and gratitude expressed by the receiver.

    Barack Obama, Jeremiah Wright, and Father Pfleger's views on "social justice" (tax unwilling people and give to ingrates) would not be consistent with Marion G. Romney's views.

    Unfortunately, many clergy (and some LDS) don't understand the importance of free agency when it comes to dealing with charitable issues.

  • Ama
    March 13, 2010 4:55 a.m.

    Glenn said the words in the context which applies to the meaning that he intends to. He has the right to say what he knows and understands.
    If one does not agree because one thinks the words mean differently than he understands, that is that person's right and knowledge of the words or terms as applied to whatever he intends to mean.
    I enjoyed your programs and I learn a lot from them. Keep up the great work.

  • Yourstruly
    March 13, 2010 5:11 a.m.

    For those of you out there, professing to be LDS, yet are ashamed of Glenn Beck, ashamed of the truth, who 'substitute true religion' with 'social justice/economic justice', who stand by silently and watch, as the constitution is being trampled upon, perhaps you will listen to a prophet's voice (to be continued).

  • yourstruly
    March 13, 2010 5:20 a.m.

    For those out there professing to be LDS, yet are ashamed of GB, oblivious to the truth, who "substitute true religion" for 'social/economic justice', will you listen to a prophet's voice?

  • Zero Tolerance
    March 13, 2010 5:33 a.m.

    Another exercise on labeling... Another playing with words. Looks like inference is more tasteful than straight language, uh?

  • Dr. Harry Merl
    March 13, 2010 5:36 a.m.

    Glenn Beck reminds me of Sen. Mac Carthy and his hunt for "communist phobia. Such remarks are a shame for a Christian society.The church is determined to care for the poor and the needy as did the Lord. In the BoM there is the 4th Nephi were it says they hadall things in common.
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    Email: merl@ifunk.at

  • Chris
    March 13, 2010 6:25 a.m.

    Most people on here complaining didn't hear the show, and neither did the minister. That is not what he said. Social justice, etc are words for progressivism. That is lies designed to create division. He even mentioned that people in his own church should watch out to. He said that if a church teaches the doctrine of social justice, they are asking the Gov't to run the whole thing, which would also take over religion. That isn't what Jesus taught. His theme this year is Faith, Hope, and Charity. I suggest you watch and learn. That is what churches should be based on. If someone decides that as a well to do person, that he doesn't want to help people, that should show what type of character he has, but you can't force him. He said that if it were him, and he was a member of a church that taught teh false doctrine of social justice, etc. He said he would leave, but he didn't preach for others to do the same.

  • Tithing and Fast Offerings
    March 13, 2010 6:28 a.m.

    Brother Beck should know that by paying our tithing, fast offerings and other donations, as members of the LDS faith, we are essentially abiding by the tenets of economic and social justice. The Savior expects us to use our blessings, increase, resource and love to see to the social and economic needs of others. We are Christians and this is what we have promised to do. I'm surprised that Brother Beck does not use his podium of opportunity to espouse the virtues and teachings of Christ. I can appreciate the difference between entertainment, business and religion, but I believe we can all find ways to represent Christ in all that we say and do without anger, vice and demeaning others.

  • runfar
    March 13, 2010 6:55 a.m.

    Beck is right. I am a teacher who has just finished a master's and looking at Ph.D. programs. They are all about social justice. It is about a political agenda that is not "just" for anyone except the government. If you want this type of agend taught to your children, leave them in public schools-they are full of this stuff.

  • Crispy
    March 13, 2010 7:02 a.m.

    I may not agree with everything Glen Beck says, but I defend his right to say it.

  • Brian Skinner
    March 13, 2010 7:05 a.m.

    The same people who are attacking Glenn Beck would be attacking Ezra Taft Benson. President Benson was even more outspoken on this subject than Glenn Beck.

  • R. Mlles
    March 13, 2010 7:05 a.m.

    Anyone who has listened to Glen Beck for one hour, let alone a hundred, is going to hell. Get to work! Be Anxiously engaged in a GOOD cause.

  • Joe
    March 13, 2010 7:15 a.m.

    Beck is a deranged soul, who has lost his way.

  • BobK
    March 13, 2010 7:18 a.m.

    I agree totally with Richard. The terms "social" & "economic" justice in today's world have come to mean entitlement. Don't confuse them with Love Thy Neighbor which is what Jesus and the prophets taught. The great LDS Church welfare system is an example of Love Thy Neighbor where people help people. If you are a Christian and believe the government owes you a living, you're probably in the wrong church and the wrong country. I think that is all Beck is trying (somewhat poorly) to say.

  • Kevin
    March 13, 2010 7:21 a.m.

    "'A phrase like 'social justice' can be hijacked,' Barlow said."

    Just like the words "conservatism," "socialism," and "communism," among others, have become hijacked.

  • It ain't charity
    March 13, 2010 7:24 a.m.

    If you're spending someone else's money.

    You want to help the poor? That's great; just use your own money to do it.

  • Bob
    March 13, 2010 7:28 a.m.

    If a preacher said the following should you leave?

    11 Now this great loss ... and the great slaughter which was among them, would not have happened had it not been for their wickedness and their abomination which was among them; yea, and it was among those also who professed to belong to the church of God.
    12 And it was because of the pride of their hearts, because of their exceeding riches, yea, it was because of their oppression to the poor, withholding their food from the hungry, withholding their clothing from the naked, and smiting their humble brethren upon the cheek, making a mock of that which was sacred, denying the spirit of prophecy and of revelation, murdering, plundering, lying, stealing, committing adultery, rising up in great contentions....

    12 And the people began to be distinguished by ranks, according to their riches and their chances for learning; yea, some were ignorant because of their poverty, and others did receive great learning because of their riches.

    Is the author of these words talking about social injustices? And the consequences?

    Maybe the government is broken because we are.

  • Glen Beck is a master
    March 13, 2010 7:31 a.m.

    Glen Beck is a master of glossy propaganda. It seems to be working... as he has so many defenders and followers.

  • Social Justice Mormon pt1
    March 13, 2010 7:35 a.m.

    Mr Glenn Beck is a well known TV personality, viewed by tens of millions of people. He has made his viewers well aware that he is a member of the LDS Church. Therefore it ought to be of great concern to us when Mr. Beck, in such status, repeatedly is expressing personal views that harm the Church.

    Lately Mr. Beck claimed that people should “run” from a Church if it is expressing concern for social justice, since concern for social justice stems from Communism and Nazism within the church.

    Indirectly he is saying that the LDS church opposes social justice. (Or if it does not, then people should run since the Church is evil.)

    Since I know that the Church cares for social justice… I hear him, indirectly, claiming us to be Communists and Nazis.

  • Social Justice Mormon pt2
    March 13, 2010 7:39 a.m.

    I know that the church neither can nor should regulate what its members say in public… However, I believe and hope that if any other member was reaching out to such large part of the public, maybe through a book, claiming the LDS church to be full of Nazis they would be excommunicated.
    Therefore I can see no reason not to excommunicate him.

    If he is not excommunicated or if the Church does not disassociate itself from him by issuing a statement in which the public is made aware that his religious views are not backed by the leaders of his religious affiliation — the LDS Church — I would like to know why he deserves special treatment as a member OR why social justice is evil?

    (I encourage everyone agreeing with this to address this issue with the Church authorities — so we can clear the name of our beloved Church, in the eyes of the Christian community.)

  • Captain Kirk
    March 13, 2010 7:45 a.m.

    @ Shaken Testimony | 7:14 p.m. March 12, 2010
    I found 5 separate references to "Social Justice" on LDS.org

    2 were against it. 1 was quoting a Mother Theressa Award giver. 1 could be seen as for it ... but was talking about Judah. 1 was about the Quaran.

    Certainly NOT what beck was talking about.

    "Serving the Lord and Resisting the Devil"- James Faust:
    When we preach the gospel of social justice, no doubt the devil is not troubled.

    "The Book That Built a Better World"-Chris Conkling:
    The Old Testament inspired great changes in human history. Whereas other religions of the period never “produced a major social revolution fired by a high concept of social justice, … ‘the prophets of Judah were a reforming political force which has never been surpassed.

    -The postwar government in Britain put its energies into creating a system that would seek to do greater social justice. To this end the national health service was created and the whole welfare state came into being.

    -“Because the Qu’ran’s message is also one of social justice, some western scholars see it primarily as a socio-political teaching, religious only by accident.

  • bandersen
    March 13, 2010 7:48 a.m.

    The ignorance is pathetic. If you don't know the difference between what Jesus taught in the Sermon on the Mount and those who want to use the power of government to force the same, heaven help us! Anybody who wants to use the power of the government to further irresponsibility (i.e. welfare), sin (i.e. abortion, etc.), war (Iraq or otherwise), and a host of other power grabs, either doesn't understand liberty, or is oblivious to the connection between righteousness and economic malaise. Please, for the sake of your children, reevaluate your ignorance on this topic. Beck is the Thomas Paine of this generation

  • Tithing = Social Justice
    March 13, 2010 8:00 a.m.

    Tithing is exactly what Beck is calling Social Justice. You cannot be a good standing member of the LDS church if you are not paying your tithing. This is not a freedom of choice that Beck is talking about- it is a requirement. So Hopefully Beck leaves the church and stops being an embarrassment to it.

  • Glen Beck defenders
    March 13, 2010 8:02 a.m.

    Dallin H. Oaks, in his talk about same-sex attraction stated people confuse freedom and free agency. Free agency is God's gift to all and CANNOT be taken away from us. Prisoners have free agency but they don't have freedom. So just stop with all the nonsense about taxes/redistribution being an attack on free agency.

    Beck pure and simple is a blatant liar and fear mongerer and I too am ashamed he is L.D.S.

  • MichaelH
    March 13, 2010 8:06 a.m.

    Shaken Testimony LIED!!! There are NO links on the LDS website to social justice. There are links to the word justice and the word social but none of them are together. Glen is correct. All the left wing pseudo intellectuals and pseudo Mormons who have never listened to his show and think that their knowledge is complete because they had someone read the daily kos to them are as always fools in the light of real knowledge.

  • Beck goes against LDS beliefs
    March 13, 2010 8:07 a.m.

    Philip Barlow, the Arrington Professor of Mormon History and Culture at Utah State University, said: “One way to read the Book of Mormon is that it’s a vast tract on social justice. It’s ubiquitous in the Book of Mormon to have the prophetic figures, much like in the Hebrew Bible, calling out those who are insensitive to injustices.
    “A lot of Latter-day Saints would think that Beck was asking them to leave their own church.”

    Mr. Barlow said that Mr. Beck’s comments were particularly ill-timed because just this year, the church’s highest authority, the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, issued a new “Handbook of Instructions” to church leaders in which they revised the church’s “three-fold mission” and added a fourth mission statement: care for the poor.

    Rev. Jim Wallis, said L.D.S. leaders have called to apologize for Beck's statements.

  • Beck teaches fear not hope
    March 13, 2010 8:07 a.m.

    I have listened to Glenn Beck many, many, many times; read his books, read 5000 year leap and I have come to the conclusion that Beck is only trying to create Fear in our world. He wants us all to become afraid that we are losing so many Freedoms we are no longer America. Having shared those fears for a long while, I have realized that my life was heading in a downward spiral. i was letting these fears overrun my thoughts and actions. This is not a healthy way to live.
    After much individual studies, prayer, and thought I feel that I can longer support someone like Glenn Beck. His message is not one of hope or happiness. Instead he is using fear to have Americans turn to dark thoughts and actions. Beck may really believe what he is preaching, but I no longer can. I realize now that what makes America great is that we have changed over time and that people have tried to make this country better through those changes. Yes there are still problems, but at least manuy of the changes Beck speaks against are an attempt at bringing hope to our nation.

  • I love it!
    March 13, 2010 8:09 a.m.

    For most of the country, Glenn Beck IS The Spokesman for the Mormon church. And I'm not hearing too much from church leaders to refute anything Beck says. Good p.r. folks, I love it!

  • re:Hypocrisy
    March 13, 2010 8:12 a.m.

    You just proved what we are saying! You say what's the big deal with redistribution f wealth. THe poor are still poor and the wealthy still wealthy.
    There you have it. Handouts don't really help people get anywhere. Welfare cripples people. It's degrading to the poor that the government says. You can't do this without us. We need prgrams that empwer the poor and don't just hold them where they are.
    I think Mr. Beck is a little over the top but I do feel that he's right. Welfare doesn't work!

  • Religion in World
    March 13, 2010 8:14 a.m.

    So Beck is saying that Churches and religion in other nations that work with their governments to collect taxes or tithing used for charity work is the devil's tool not God's? I guess that means any religion not within US borders is wrong. I guess that means the Mormons in Germany during WWII who followed the 12th article of faith and followed that government are going to a very hot place in the afterlife.
    How can any of you not be appalled at Becks anti-religion statements and implications? Beck is not a religious leader. The original being who taught against religion was Lucifer. Now only those under Lucifer's influence would speak out against religion.

  • Captain Kirk
    March 13, 2010 8:15 a.m.

    Christianity Teaches that we are commanded to care for our neighbor. This could and has been called "Social Justice". But the meaning has been hijacked to mean other things.

    Christianity also teaches against the use of compulsion (even by God). The Christian God is a God of consequences not a God of compulsion.

    Both principles are equally important.

    Neither principle can be violated.

    You can't force someone to care for their neighbor and call it a Christian principle.

    "Social Justice" by free will is good.
    "Social Justice" by force is a monstrous perversion.

  • @ 11:56
    March 13, 2010 8:18 a.m.

    I have been asked by local Bishop to donate more than I felt necessary to my ward several times. If I do not there would be reprecussions- not overt ones but they would be there. This then is FORCED DEMANDS and not my CHOICE.

  • Cats
    March 13, 2010 8:18 a.m.

    I love Glenn, but I've always said he needs to be careful. He sometimes skates on the edge and he needs to watch it.

    Glenn is right about his positions, but he needs to be careful of the way he presents them. By telling people to leave their churches, he has given the other side a club to beat him with.

    Even if he is right about some of these liberal churches (and he is), he just needs to watch it.

    Go Glenn!

  • Beck is right
    March 13, 2010 8:19 a.m.

    I am a follower of Glen Beck. I believe what he says. Last week my Bishop at Church preached a sermon in which he used the Book of Mormon to address concepts of social justice--inferring that the government should do more to address economic and social injustices. It made me angry that he would say that. I will leave and find another church.

  • The Beck Kool-Aid
    March 13, 2010 8:23 a.m.

    If I understand you Beck supporters correctly, when he says "check your church websites for the words social justice", he is saying those churches advocate government taxation? Churches don't pay taxes.

  • Infighting
    March 13, 2010 8:25 a.m.

    Mormons decry the words of fellow Mormon Beck?

    My guess is Glenn pays a higher $$ amount in tithing, so he can say what he wants.

  • Socialism is Good
    March 13, 2010 8:26 a.m.

    Those of you who live in fear of socialism need to pack up and leave our nation because it has always had socialism.
    As soon as the founding Fathers gave the Fed. government the ability to levy taxes there was socialism.
    Socialism is part of our country every year because people are not and have almost never done what Beck wants- choosing to give to charity. Those that have have never given enough time, effort, or money to those who don't have. Actually I have seen how people in poverty give to each other more than Upper and Middle class give to anybody.
    Since we are a Nation of greed (and always have been) we have never taken care of those who go without in this country. People do not GIVE willingly- so government has had to step in and require us to give what we won't on our own.
    To those who are LDS in Utah, this is one of the worst states I have seen in giving to others. This is a state with too many incompassionate and selfish people. SO the Government needs to step in and make us Pay.

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 8:31 a.m.

    Glenn Beck does not represent Christianity, including the LDS version. Conservatism is anti-Christian. It is important to understand that Beck is mostly all about being outrageous, which stirs up the adherents, which in turn sells advertising and makes Beck and FOX lots of money. It is basically unprincipled.

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 8:32 a.m.

    OK, but what is the position of the LDS Church on this? Going to walk the tightrope? What did the Good Book say about being luke warm?

  • lds.org search
    March 13, 2010 8:35 a.m.

    A search of the church web site for the phrase "Social Justice" only comes up with 5 unique hits that use that phase one time in each article. One relates to the Tabernacle Choir Honored with the Mother Teresa Award. One is “The Book That Built a Better World,” talking about the Old Testament. Another is “Britain and Europe in the Modern World” also “Symposium examines ‘Literature of Belief”.
    The only one that talks of gospel principles is James E. Faust, “Serving the Lord and Resisting the Devil,” Liahona, Nov 1995in which he says:
    I wonder how much we offend Satan if the proclamation of our faith is limited only to the great humanitarian work this church does throughout the world, marvelous as these activities are. When we preach the gospel of social justice, no doubt the devil is not troubled.

    Glen Becks message is right in line with the teachings of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. As was said before, "Where in the bible is social justice ever used. Remember social justice is forced charity not free will."

  • Mormon
    March 13, 2010 8:37 a.m.

    Some would defend Beck to the expense of their own religious beliefs - that's right Mormons, who are you going to choose, Glen Beck or the restored gospel? Because if you haven't already realized, much of what he says goes contrary to the Gospel. Be careful of the charismatic wolves in sheep's clothing. That doesn't make the other political side correct, but too many accept his vitriol without a second thought.

  • Pat
    March 13, 2010 8:38 a.m.

    Glenn Beck has made great effort to STUDY history in order to understand HOW a God-fearing country like America has been swallowed up by evil!
    Some of these comments made reflect the idiocy of lazy, spoiled Americans who have never bothered to make an effort to learn what`s REALLY wrong with our country in 2010. And are thereby doomed to destruction!
    Instead of trashing Glenn, MAKE an effort to realize that our "help others" confusion is being used to SHIP-WRECK our nation. YOur "sweet" words can and ARE used against you, lazy ones!
    This nation CAN be saved if we understand what has actually happened to out "goodness" and what is required of our diligence. GLENN UNDERSTANDS IT AND CAN HELP OTHERS SEE HOW WE ARE USED BY SEEKERS OF POWER.
    Instead of criticising him, understand what he is saying and WHY!

  • matt b.
    March 13, 2010 8:39 a.m.

    I wonder how many of my Mormon brothers and sisters who so valiantly champion Glenn Beck and his free market fundamentalism are familiar with the United Order. Or have they all swept this component of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young's teachings under the rug in their justification of a "it's mine because i earned it, and you're poor because you're lazy" attitude.

    In the words of the economist John Kenneth Galbraith:

    "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."

  • Distorted history
    March 13, 2010 8:43 a.m.

    Glen Beck has a distorted view of history and of the founding fathers themselves. In Beck's delusional world, even George Washington would be a socialist or communist due to his support of and enforcement of the whiskey tax.

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 8:47 a.m.

    Hmmm.....I wonder if these "christian leaders" are democrats.....

  • Romanadvoratrelundar
    March 13, 2010 8:48 a.m.

    Wow, Beck really put his foot in it this time.

  • yikes
    March 13, 2010 8:52 a.m.

    I'm leaving religion altogether. You people are nuts.

  • Apologies to my neighbors
    March 13, 2010 8:54 a.m.

    As a member of the LDS Church and one who strongly believes in the social justice preached to me my entire life in the LDS Church, I profoundly apologize to my neighbors. I ask you not to judge the LDS church by my conduct and not by Glenn Beck's conduct. We've achieved so much in working together in this valley. Let's agree to leave Mr. Beck and his ilk out of the discussion and out of our homes.

  • Glenn Beck, our hero!!
    March 13, 2010 8:57 a.m.

    When "Women's Lib" was a popular subject, our leaders came out and said that the problem with women's Lib was NOT that women having their liberty was wrong...but, that "Sameness" was the real problem.

    These are just words...but, so is "Social Justice".
    Social justice in itself is not wrong...but, the way they are being used by THIS government is NOT social justice.

    It is really "Social In-Justice"...when we are already being taxed 50-60% of our income, and when this government is devising ways to get "all of it"...so they can have more power...that is just plain "robbery".

    It discourages the productivity of the rich.

    Why should someone work from sun-up to beyond sun-down for a greater income...while others are working a '9 to 5' job,...then have to turn around and BESIDES the donations to their church...and the 'unfair' taxation to the government, they have to give all their excess to the government, under the guise of helping the poor, (which government is good at wasting)...and live on less than the 9-5 people?

    This is how to de-motivate ambitious people.

  • Ernest T. Bass
    March 13, 2010 9:02 a.m.

    Anger begets anger.
    Why would any educated, well rounded person listen to this?
    Beck has no true morals and it shows every time he opens his mouth.
    Of course neither do his listeners.

  • Anyone who listened...
    March 13, 2010 9:09 a.m.

    to his show knows he said being forced to give your goods to others is wrong and that any organization that supports you being FORcEd to give up your goods is wrong. He is warning against us giving up our ability to choose by making a mistake in our understanding of what Jesus taught. He is warning against churches being used as tools to push forward the agenda of gov't (or other entities) running social/finanical equality by forcing people to give up what they earned to others. It is very easy to morph the idea of being charitable into "See, even Jesus said you HAVE to give up all you have or your ain't going to heaven! So give us your money!!" so that you no longer have the agency to choose to be charitable but HAVE to be. He is warning against us giving up our ability to choose by making this mistake in our understanding of what Jesus taught.

  • RexIdaWyo
    March 13, 2010 9:11 a.m.

    Those that claim to be LDS and believers of government run social justice, for that is the issue here, are not believers of the prophets. You claim to believe in the Book of Mormon but you fail to adhere to the teachings there in.

    You may support efforts to use your tax dollars to help your neighbor down the street, which you alone are to lazy to do, yet you seek to take away the agency from someone who doesn't want their tax dollars spent in such a forced and wasteful fashion.

    Wasteful is right. Welfarism was called out by a Prophet of God along with Socialism, and Communism. Read Benson's teachings. Nothing that Beck is saying hasn't already been adressed by a Prophet of God over 30 years ago.


    The blind will not inheret eternal reward when they will not remove the scales of darkness from their own eyes. The government will not prepare people for the second coming of Christ. No forced Utopian is of God.

    Good is happening around us on a daily basis. It is not from the wasteful government agendas. It is from good people doing good things out of Personal Choice!!!!

  • K
    March 13, 2010 9:15 a.m.

    Helping people and social justice aren't the same.

    Kristine

  • Forced Justice Is Not Christian
    March 13, 2010 9:21 a.m.

    There can only be one possible definition of "social justice" -- the practice of a person or persons deciding what, in their thinking, is just/fair in regards to income and/or social standing, and then using their influence or authority to enforce that worldview through taking and redistributing towards their decided just/fair end. It ALWAYS involves someone else determining what is "just" and it ALWAYS involves forcing compliance with the decided end and the decided means to reach the decided just/fair conclusion. Any other explanation of "social justice" is already deceitful.

    So without even a single explanation of what "social justice" is or what it could be, the writer, Lynn Arave, and the complicit DN editors communicate that "social justice" is biblical and espoused by Jesus Christ. Really?

    It is obvious that this Lynn Arave and his editors at the DN endorse "social justice." Will they be part of the group who, with their superior wisdom and understanding, decide what is just and what is unjust and what you and I will be forced to pay or do to make the world right?

    Scary stuff--right here in Salt Lake.

  • bluto
    March 13, 2010 9:22 a.m.

    What we have here is a failure to communicate.

    Anyone listening to Beck knows exactly what he meant when he spoke of "Social Justice" and "Economic Justice".

    He means a "Central Government" controlling the purse strings. A "Central Governmenet Entity", which compels giving to this or that group, by forcing taxpayers to fund it.

    Charity cannot co-exist with involuntary force!

    Glenn welcomes this debate and Rev. Willis is pretty nervous with the clarification which Beck is about to show the Nation.

    These Faith's, which have ben fronting for Socialism, and Progresive Policies, et al, are about to be exposed.

    The LDS Church, as do nearly all Faith's, believe in "Voluntary Social/Economic Justice". Man is obligated, indeed, to help our fellowman.

    Through Charitable giving!

    NOT BY GOVERNMENT CONTROL AND RE-DISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH!

    This hissy-fit going on now is laughable. Beck will shred his critics on Monday, and the only fools here will be ignorant College Professors, the Media, and Socialist Pastors.

    As a LDS I am proud of Glenn Beck. He gets it and his comments are very consistent with the LDS Church approach to welfare.

    Help those who are in need...Without Government intervention.

  • Calling a spade a spade
    March 13, 2010 9:23 a.m.

    Beck has become wealthy by playing on the fear and prejudices of alienated listeners.

    His message is, "Be afraid of those who are different from you, 'they' are out to get 'us' and it's all 'their' fault."

    There's money to be made - BIG money - in catering to fear and ignorance.

    He's no different than an Islamic Mullah giving fiery speeches about the evils of the western world and non-believers to the uneducated rural populations of Iran or Iraq.

    OK, there is a slight difference - Beck's getting a lot richer.

  • Re: Shelrell
    March 13, 2010 9:23 a.m.

    I'm embarrassed by you. You need to get your head out of the sand and read more. If you really listened to Beck, you would understand. You don't seem to be a very aware individual.

  • BobP
    March 13, 2010 9:24 a.m.

    The last verse of Sec. 121 of the Doctrine and Covenants says it well. The Lords work will roll on without compulsory means.

  • By their fruits . . .
    March 13, 2010 9:25 a.m.

    Glenn Beck stirs up the hearts of men to contend one with another for personal fame and fortune. Check the scriptural accounts of others who did likewise. It does not end well.

  • church, distance yourself
    March 13, 2010 9:33 a.m.

    the church will do nothing. the media will try to get the church's "side of the story" or a comment about beck, but the church leaders will politely refuse and by doing so not only NOT distance themselves from beck, but will on appearances seem to condone this rhetoric by not saying anything. too bad the church leaders don't take a stand on beck, and seriously put a distance between himself and the leaders. but they won't. maybe beck will go on a epiphaniac bender and after a while come back to us all as born-again.

  • Tyson H
    March 13, 2010 9:38 a.m.

    You leftists just don't listen do you... you take a sound bite that glen beck said and take it completely out of context while being outraged.

    What Glenn Beck said was that he opposes churches who advocate communism and socalism... sounds pretty reasonable to me!

    And then these people on the left like the author of this article say "I can't believe that Glenn Beck is against charity!!"

    That is clearly not what he said, and it would be totally obvious if you actually listened to the show!

    But no... you'd rather listen to sound bites, misconstrue their meaning, and then cling to some phony outrage based on one of the flimsiest straw-man arguments I have ever seen!

    Tell me, where in the bible, any scripture will suffice, do they advocate for a large central government to take money from one group to give to the other?

    It doesn't advocate that anywhere! What it does say is that the individual should be generous to the poor... this is called CHARITY and is not the same as so called "social justice" which is found nowhere in scripture!

  • Mr. Beck
    March 13, 2010 9:48 a.m.

    Is an entertainer, nothing more, nothing less.

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 9:49 a.m.

    Glenn may yell a lot, but that is not abuse. Also, Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple.

  • Run Away
    March 13, 2010 9:53 a.m.

    Glen Beck is an evil and dangerous man.

  • Thank Heavens for Glenn!!
    March 13, 2010 10:17 a.m.

    I listen to Glenn Beck every day on Fox News...and I never miss an episode!!

    He makes sense!! He does more study about our Constitution than the average person.

    He is a GREAT TEACHER and EDUCATOR...and I have learned more from him about PRESERVING OUR FREEDOM than I ever learned in school.

    For you who are critical of him...just listen a little more to what he is saying. Feel the strength of his convictions...behind all the humor and dramatization.

    I love the way he 'holds his imaginary bat'..to symbolize the 'Chicago Politics'....

    Interesting that Illinois played such a key role in the lives of Joseph Smith, Lincoln and Obama.

    Such contrasts!!

    I guess the people who drove the saints out of Nauvoo...may have something to do with the way the politics of the state deteriorated.

  • ajarizona
    March 13, 2010 10:17 a.m.

    The brilliance of Beck's comments, is how he is able to open up a National Debate on;

    1-Charitable giving through voluntary means...

    versus

    2- A Government-Socialistic, Redistribution of Wealth, approach to solving problems

    He just waits for the over-reaction of people to hang themselves and once again, Beck will win the debate and educate the American people in the process.

    For those here who cannot make the distiction between;

    Progressive Social/Economic Justice, and

    The Christian/LDS Church approach to Welfare & Charity, then ask yourelf:

    1-Does anyone "force you", to pay Tithing or Fast Offerings?

    2-Does anyone "force you" to help out a new family when moving?

    3-Does anyone "force you" to help that neighbor, paint their house?

    4-Does anyone "force you" to contribute when a Bishop covers a New Widows mortgage payment?

    5-Does anyone "force you" to help can peaches or beans at welfare square?

    Beck beleives in Charity, just not compelled to do so by an unknown Bureaucrat.

    Now, does the Social/Justice mindset, allow me as a taxpayer to opt-out when they want to take my money and spend it as they see fit?

    SeeTheDifference.........Einsteins?

  • Skookumchuck
    March 13, 2010 10:22 a.m.

    The comments by all have been interesting. It sure is easy to see the people who have studied and learned about "Progressive-ism and true christian beliefs. The Savior has counseled us to care for each other, but He did not say that it was Rome's (governments)job to insure that it was done.

    "Social Justice" and "Income Equality" are buzz words of the Progressive movement. When we don't take the advantage to educate ourselves, we are at the mercy of the propagandists and the kool-aid they provide.

    All Beck is trying to do is to wake people up to the beliefs of the Progressive movement. If he were to ask us to study communism, the howls would be even greater, yet America has embraced communist principles far more that most citizens can even begin to understand.

    It is important that all of us take time to learn what we really believe before we go shooting off our mouths

    The terms "Social Justice" and "Income Equality" are buzz words for Progressiveism/Communism or government control of our lives. That is what Beck is saying.

  • WWJD?
    March 13, 2010 10:30 a.m.

    To all you "followers" of Glenn Beck....
    Fine, good for you.
    I hope and pray the best for you.

    I would sincerely hope his words promote joy and gladness in your hearts.
    I hope he inspires you to serve and help your fellow man.
    I hope that you feel a sense of urgency to feed the hungry, tend to the sick and the needy, and truly love those less fortunate than yourself.


    I'm a follower of Jesus Christ,
    Mishuah,
    Adonai,
    YHWH,
    the Master.


    ... If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praise worthy [praiseworthy,] we seek after these things.


    We will be judged on our actions to others.


    ~LDS Lib

  • Bible & Socialism
    March 13, 2010 10:34 a.m.

    Where in the Bible does it say that socialism is evil? You people keep using the argument that the bible doesn't defend social jusitice, so please show me one passage that says socialism or communism is evil?
    You won't be able to, because these are modern words as is social justice.
    As for Beck studying History, whatever. Reading the 5000 year leap is not studying history. If he really studied history then he would know that the Ancient Hebrews have always been required to pay money to the government to help the poor. Under their theological government paying tithing/taxes were one and the same.
    When Christ returns we will all pay tithing/taxes to help our fellow man. If you think you will have "free will" to not pay have fun living with Satan in the underworld.

  • Fellow Connecticutian
    March 13, 2010 10:38 a.m.

    I'm glad some commeters have noticed the lack of journalistic accuracy and completeness in this article. I don't listen to Glenn too often - I actually am at work during his radio show and an on my way home during his TV show. I did catch the last five minutes of the show about the code "social justice". I knew what he meant right off the bat - forced charity and redistribution by some government entity/group' You negative folks just listen to what you want. Listen to the whole thing in context and the whole body of work before you jump in and criticize. Tyson and the rest with similar comments are right on. Fortunate it appears to that the majority here on teh board understand.

  • Entitlement not a problem
    March 13, 2010 10:42 a.m.

    It is not our concern if our government creates a society of entitled people. If we truly have free will then those who choose to live through entitlement will be dealt with by God- not us. We have been commanded to give all that we have to Lord- Even if thou hast done it to the least of these my brethern thou hast done it unto me. All we can do is give and not worry about how it is used- it is not our place to condemn for misusing what we have given. Once it is given it is no longer yours- it is theirs and they will be held accountable for how they use it.

  • CrazyIsAsCrazyDoes
    March 13, 2010 10:44 a.m.

    We all share our wealth. Everytime anyone buys a product or service they pay tax. To live in a house someone pays tax. This money then goes to pay for roads, water, etc services the rich use a greater % of than the middle class.
    Also the wealthy get welfare in the form of tax breaks for businesses, government contracts, seed money from government, etc.
    To have a saftey net for hard times is not redistribution its what seperates us from the law of the jungle. From animals. After a lifetime of paying tax to the government you cannot convince me that it is unfair that people receive a little of this back to protect them in hard times.
    Is it perfect, will people cheat and steal and abuse something like this? Of course its not perfect but its perfectly necessary anyway.

  • Disfellowship him
    March 13, 2010 10:45 a.m.

    Why is it not okay to bear false witness in a private setting but okay to repeatedly do it on TV, the radio and to large audiences? Beck's list of distortions and lies is long and not debatable. If he remains in "good-standing" in our church, something is very wrong.

  • Ckg
    March 13, 2010 10:50 a.m.

    Glenn beck speaks with passion and truth. He is not perfect. But is the best on the radio that exists on that stage. Some comments are so arrogant. You sound like you know something. Honestly, see the big picture of his philosophy. That is defending the constitution. If you can do better, go try. And I would easily make fun of you too.

  • Great Plains Saints
    March 13, 2010 10:50 a.m.

    No faith has suffered more and given back to itself and cried for justice than we the Mormons. The United Order, the programs to less fortunate widows whose husbands were killed or died. The perpetual immigration fund, the perpetual education fund. I can't even imagine hearing Brother Joseph agreeing with this man.

    I found his tirade on TV smoking cigarettes on one show and making fun of it a couple of years ago disgusting. Could I get a Temple Recommend if I did that on national TV? He does not represent this libertarian or Latter-day Saint.

  • Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity
    March 13, 2010 10:51 a.m.

    Does any of this sound familiar:

    1) Speak using flattering words
    2) Tell you how good and smart you are, and mock others
    3) very, Very Popular
    4) Get paid EXTREMELY well for what you say
    5) Twist the truth to support their positions

    Do the names:
    Sherem
    Nehor
    Korihor
    ...come to mind???

  • irony
    March 13, 2010 10:52 a.m.

    It is ironic that the anti-tax crowd are also the most pro-militaristic. The paradox is that 54% of the federal budget is military. Of 2009 2.6 trillion outlays, defense, homeland security and the two war add-ons comes to 965 billion, or 36%. Then add $484 billion for veteran' benefits and interest on debt from prior military spending, that's the other 18%. So it amazes me that these people want reduced taxes, more military spending, more domestic spending for similar activities, but complain about the deficits too. How do they think it gets paid for?

  • Free Agency not Free Will
    March 13, 2010 10:52 a.m.

    They are not the same thing as so many Beck disciples like to think. The only Freedom you really have is in your choice to follow the Lord's plan or not follow it. Your agency is your decision to follow the example of Christ and live like he did or to live anyway you want to. Beck pushes the agenda of living this life for yourself and not your fellow man. Beck believes money= happiness. Beck may give to charities himself but does not love his fellow man. He promotes fear and fear can only come from the devil not the lord.

  • @ WWJD?
    March 13, 2010 10:54 a.m.

    They do inspire me, because I have a proper understanding of what Beck is really saying, not an ill-informed bias based on slanted media reports and a hatred for Capitalism.

    Giving a gift because the government forces you is no gift at all, and you will be rewarded accordingly.

  • Beck not voice of LDS
    March 13, 2010 10:55 a.m.

    Glenn Beck does not promote what the LDS church believes- that's why the LDS said he is an individual and not their spokesman. If they endorsed him they would have endorsed him. Their statement that he is an individual shows they do not support his views so fellow Mormons please stop trying to justify his words as Gospel. That may be as strong of words against Beck we will ever hear from the Church, but if you know the church then these are indeed as strong of words as they ever speak out against something.

  • We were warned, & ignored it
    March 13, 2010 10:57 a.m.

    "If man will not recognize the inequalities around him and voluntarily, through the gospel plan, come to the aid of his brother, he will find that through ‘a democratic process’ he will be forced to come to the aid of his brother. The government will take from the ‘haves’ and give to the ‘have nots.’

    Both have lost their freedom.

    Those who ‘have,’ lost their freedom to give voluntarily of their own free will and in the way they desire.

    Those who ‘have not,’ lost their freedom because they did not earn what they received. They got ‘something for nothing,’ and they will neither appreciate the gift nor the giver of the gift."

    – Howard W. Hunter (The teachings of Howard W. Hunter, Fourteenth President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints)

  • Gima
    March 13, 2010 10:59 a.m.

    And the Cheshire Cat said something about,,, the word means what I want it to mean when I want it to mean it.!!!!!

    glenn evidently has his own meanings for terms and prehaps should define them as "his own" with "his own definitions.

  • To Matt B
    March 13, 2010 11:05 a.m.

    If you read in depth about the United Order "experiment" you will find that it failed.

  • Carilyn
    March 13, 2010 11:18 a.m.

    Glenn Beck is right. A lot of people do not understand that "Social Justice" is a key word for redistribution of wealth which is NOT a good thing. Does anyone remember Rev. J. Wright - now that is what Glenn was talking about. Wake up America. If you people would watch Glenn Beck you would receive an education on American History. History repeats itself and if we are not careful and vigilant about what is happening, we will be living socialism soon. Glenn Beck is a very good man and he helps more people than we could ever imagine. Do you want the Fed. Govt. helping themselves to YOUR money and property that you have worked hard for and dividing it up among your neighbors? Think about it!

  • SFMI
    March 13, 2010 11:22 a.m.

    I suggest some people watch the movie Animal Farm, it only takes an hour. Or read the 5000 Year Leap.

  • LDS Grandmother
    March 13, 2010 11:25 a.m.

    I admire Glen so much. He does his homework so thoroughly and he tells the truth. He loves this country! Keep it up Glenn. If all the dissenters would study the truth like you do, they would not have a leg to stand on. Tfhe scriptures tell us what will happen and it is happening day by day.
    As long as we keep God's commandments this country will continue to be free. Examine yourselves truthfully.................

  • Holy Cow!
    March 13, 2010 11:29 a.m.

    What I find amazing is how Beck's followers are so quick to incorporate their personal religious beliefs into their response to Beck and his critics.

    Folks - religion and politics are a hugely dangerous combination.

    "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

    How about we bring the political discussion back to planet Earth, OK? That way we have some chance at reasoning together to find solutions to our common problems.

  • Canadian Guy
    March 13, 2010 11:42 a.m.

    Everyone needs to research and review the political teachings of past prophet and US secretary of Agriculture Ezra Taft Benson, to understand what Glenn Beck is talking about. Glenn is always spreading the message of love, honor and integrity, but he also teaches the Gospel doctrines of free will, personal responsibilty, self reliance, service and charity. Anyone who tries to paint Glenn's agenda as hateful or against gospel teachings just doesn't have a true understanding of it and is obviously decieved by the devil. Watch his show and figure it out instead of just listening to all the inaccurate smear campaigns of the haters.

    Keep up the fight for truth and honor Glenn.

  • WWJD? part 3
    March 13, 2010 11:45 a.m.

    I guess writing a book and titling it "Arguing with Idiots" is also a fine example of a Christian, and "true" follower of the humble Master.

    [Trying to be like Jesus]

    I hope this people stops, looks at what they are becoming, what they are doing and truley and humbly repents.

    ....the sifting is already starting.

  • CT
    March 13, 2010 11:48 a.m.

    You go Glenn! You speak the truth and we are listening. It looks like a lot more should be also! We are proud of you brotha!

  • To Beck supporters
    March 13, 2010 11:59 a.m.

    His latest is just another pearl in his string of vitriole. He can go ahead and cast his pearls before swine that's where it belongs.

  • Observation
    March 13, 2010 11:59 a.m.

    OH NO! I had better switch churches. My holy scriptures say that "if ye are not equal in earthly things ye cannot be equal in obtaining heavenly things" and that "in your temporal things you should be equal, and this not grudgingly, otherwise the abundance of the manifestations of the Spirit will be withheld." (D&C 78:6; 70:14) My Church is just a front to communism!
    Honestly, has Bro. Beck even read the D&C or about our Church history? No doubt were Beck to have known Joseph he, like Oliver Cowdery, would have informed him that he could keep his revelations when then contradicted with his perception of American freedoms, for "I will not be influenced, governed, or controlled in my temporal interests by any ecclesiastical authority."

  • Hmm
    March 13, 2010 12:12 p.m.

    It is a amazing that the libs on this site constantly are complaining that they are wrongly accused of being communistic, socialists etc.... Kind of makes you think about the old adage... "Does a fish know he's wet?"

  • Al
    March 13, 2010 12:12 p.m.

    Please don't equate Mormons with Christians. That's very offensive to orthodox/classical Christians.

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 12:14 p.m.


    Those of you who bash Glenn Beck obvously don't listen to him. I have no doubt that Christ would agree with him today if He were on earth.

  • LehiTommy
    March 13, 2010 12:18 p.m.

    I'm retired/disabled. So I have lots of time to watch Beck, The Factor, Hannity and Greta. Some things they say sound true, some sound iffy. I also listen to the President and his spokesmen. Some things they say sound true, some sound iffy. I soon will go the way of all humans and will leave my hard earned wealth to my wife. She'll leave it to our children. If the government wants my money and property they'll just need to pass laws that take it. I am a law abiding citizen and vote for my representatives. I have consecrated all that I have to help usher in the second coming. If the church wants more the President will let me known. I'll follow his teachings also. Many members live in other countries and they should be good citizens there.

  • @ wwjd? part 3
    March 13, 2010 12:18 p.m.

    Is that like when Commie Liberals calling me a racist because I'm Conservative?

    You are right, the sifting has begun. Those that follow the commadments of Almighty God and those who make government their god.

    "Who's on the Lord's side who? Now is the time to show..."

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 12:22 p.m.

    Hey Glenn, you are dangerously close to jumping off the edge!! I am as conservative as they come and even I am uncomfortable with your nonsense!!!

  • Beck is coo-coo
    March 13, 2010 12:25 p.m.

    Radio guys do nothing but talk. Beck is taking on religion and politics. Why is he trying to create a wedge issue in the religious community?

  • Zoomby
    March 13, 2010 12:30 p.m.

    Ya know all of you people who think socialism is so wonderful, why don't you go and move to Cuba and then tell us in 5 years how you much you love it!
    Glenn Beck is so right on! He is trying so hard to wake people up and start looking at what is happening to OUR America. People have you seen the deficit of OUR country and how our constitution IS hanging by a thread. Listen up and don't be stupid!

  • Nuts
    March 13, 2010 12:32 p.m.

    Glenn Beck continually makes overly simplistic, broad statements that somehow appeal to folks who prefer anecdotes and stupid humor over careful thinking. It is not Beck though whom I worry about; I worry about the nuts, including ultra conservative Mormons, who buy into this stuff. Yes, you are all nuts.

  • Mary
    March 13, 2010 12:32 p.m.

    Those interested in hearing about the "social justice" Glenn is talking about should attend Rev. Wright's church. There is social justice and then there is "social justice!"

  • Lindy
    March 13, 2010 12:52 p.m.

    Having never listened to Glenn Beck's radio show or seen him on television(I am a very overwhelmed college student with a job), I did'nt really have an opinion.

    After seeing him praised and blasted so much in some of the comments in Deseret News and other sources, I decided to check out his book "Common Sense" on tape from the library.

    My opinion is that Beck is a patriot who cares about the American way of life, and I found nothing negative in opinions. In fact, as an independent voter, I found a lot to agree with! Of course, this is just one book, but for me it dispelled some of the negative things heard about him.

    I've read other books by people of all types of political leanings, right and left, trying to see their points of view so that I may accept or reject the ideas and form my own conclusions. I have to say that some of these books(I won't say which ones) left me feeling that I was being lied to.

  • Let's make it simple
    March 13, 2010 12:52 p.m.

    Beck is absolutely correct when "Social Justice" is defined as Big Government trying to play Robin Hood. No matter how you slice it when you encourage taking your neighbors rightfully earned goods and demanding, through Government, that he or she "contribute" their time and resources to enable more vote buying by the political class you are stealing from your neighbor. It is "Theft by Proxy" but it is theft.

    Jesus did NOT teach that you should judge that your neighbors assets were not being used "properly" and were therefore available for you to do with as you please.

    Jesus taught that you should give of your own resources and from your own heart.

    Salvation is a personal thing. No matter how much of a Robin Hood you think you are you cannot force salvation on your neighbor no matter how much you steal from him and give to the "needy."

    BTW one of the biggest scams the Nazi's used to enslave the German people was the notion of "Social Justice."

    Keep it up Glenn Beck the "Idiots" will continue to scream but those of us truly concerned about our freedoms and our fellow men will support you.

  • Beck makes Obama stronger
    March 13, 2010 12:59 p.m.

    Every once in a while I think about turning to the GOP and stressing personal responsibility and accountability in my life and those around me because these things are noble. But once Beck says stuff like this, I am back in Obama's corner. I am LDS and would rather spend my time with the Obamas, Bidens, Gores, and Kerrys of world than some guy who can't control what comes out of his mouth. Christianity is about controling the body and the mouth is part of the body. Beck's problem is he made a six figure income at age 18 and since then has thought that is proof of the noble life, to make 6 figure income. Never mind that he has no control over his mouth and mind, but at least he has abandoned the substance abuse. Heaven for me is seeing Beck and Hatch and many others in GOP working on a farm, or as plumber, or as public school teacher, or even one who starts his own business and knows what making payroll means. They would also make good policemen.

  • Ken B
    March 13, 2010 1:08 p.m.

    I believe the "social justice" that Beck is referring to should come from the individual and the church, NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!

  • Don
    March 13, 2010 1:11 p.m.

    As I said before, the Des News supports social justice and other progressive causes. So of course, its writers don't like Beck, conservatives, etc.

    So who is their patron saint? Sean Penn? Hugo Chavez? Uncle Fidel?

    Thanks to Glenn, the American people are finally finding out what is happening (and has been happening) in an attempt to fundamentally change America.

  • Paul
    March 13, 2010 1:23 p.m.

    A "euphemism" implies the substitution of a mild, indirect, or vague expression for one thought to be offensive, harsh, or blunt (for example, “To pass away” is a euphemism for “to die”). Someone said: "Euphemisms are not, as many young people think, useless verbiage for that which can and should be said bluntly; they are like secret agents on a delicate mission, they must airily pass by a stinking mess with barely so much as a nod of the head. Euphemisms are unpleasant truths wearing diplomatic cologne." (Quentin Crisp, Manners from Heaven, 1984). In politics, "social justice" is a euphemism for state action mandating a redistribution of wealth. Few would disagree with the words "social justice", but the words socialism or communism are too blatant and blunt, so it is preferable for many advocates of socialism to couch their agenda under the banner of "social justice". So Beck says that the churches, synagogues and mosques of America become forums for encouraging state action under which individual moral agency is lessened in favor of centralized command and control systems. Don't lose sight of what he is saying because of the sweet diplomatic cologne of "social justice".

  • Canadiandy
    March 13, 2010 1:24 p.m.

    Good work, Glenn. The article stated that there were Mormons upset? Maybe Liberal Mormons (think inactive or fringe). If I read in the ward bulletin that there would be a Social Justice potluck fundraiser I'd be reporting my Bishop to the Stake President faster than you can say "Go Cougars."

    The fact that Beck has gotten so many people upset is a really good sign. It means that people are listening to him, and that the left-wingers are running scared.

    The funniest part of this is that Beck's viewership will likely rise thanks to the "Boycott." It's like telling people not to look at the elephant in the room.

    Leftwingers; so open-minded, their brains fell out.

  • skippy
    March 13, 2010 1:33 p.m.

    Beck is entitled to say what he wants. He and his staff researches things very well. As members of the church, you should listen to him and then research things on your own to make sure it is true or not. It is just like anything else...you need to find out things on your own. If you believe the Book of Mormon is true, it better be because of your own research and not someone elses.

  • cathy
    March 13, 2010 1:41 p.m.

    GB is trying to educate America. The current educational system is lacking in teaching about the founding fathers, who believed in individual responsibility, freedom, the constitution and a higher authority. The progressives will do and say anything to divide people. We need our leaders and congress people to follow the constitution and stop taking our freedoms away and giving us freebes which are not free at all.

  • Silly
    March 13, 2010 1:55 p.m.

    Glenn Beck is silly and most of his ideas are even sillier. Apparently even he realizes this; that's why he described himself as a "circus clown." It's just entertainment, folks.

    Besides, who you gonna believe--Glenn Beck or Jesus?

  • A_Chinese_American
    March 13, 2010 2:11 p.m.

    This is good call from Glenn Back. Good Job Glenn!

  • Desmond
    March 13, 2010 2:24 p.m.

    This is the end of Beck. Long live the next self coronation head case.

  • @Let's make it simple
    March 13, 2010 2:28 p.m.

    Well said. Couldn't have said it better myself.

    It's disconcerting to hear people professing to be LDS, supporting these ideas that forcefully taking from one to provide for another has anything to do with the principles that Christ taught of loving one another and giving to the poor and the needy.

    Charity is only true charity if its given voluntarily not forced and we will be judged on how much we CHOOSE to help others according to what we have, not how much we've been forced to give by an all powerful government.

    Indeed Glenn may get animated, irritated, frustrated and seem angry at times, but if you truly follow his program he is full of love and compassion and preaches love and giving. He is just passionate about these principles and is merely an imperfect man, and may seem offensive at times, but that doesn't mean that the core principles he teaches aren't true.

    I pray for my misguided brothers and sisters. May truth abound always.

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 2:36 p.m.

    "Perhaps whoever questioned Prof. Jackson should have explained (as Beck has done avidly over the past few days) what he meant by "social justice" as it relates to the separation of Church and State."

    Beck is a self-proclaimed political analyst. He violates his own rules then, by attacking Christians.

    Hypocritical showman, who has many of you fleeced, is an accurate description of this tom-foolery. He deteriorates what is truly right from the inside like a cancer.

  • re: Mormon's Are Christians
    March 13, 2010 2:37 p.m.

    You're preachin to the choir bud. If you read my other posts you would see I'm saying the same thing as you. That comment was in respose to a comment I made earlier encouraging people to read up on the political teachings of Pres. Benson to get a sense of what Glenn is talking about minus all of show biz, which I have since reponded to. I love Pres. Benson.

    You have obviously mistaken who posted that comment.

    I totally agree with the points you made though.

  • David
    March 13, 2010 2:47 p.m.

    Glen Beck, like Hitler's Minister of Propaganda Josef Goebles, is a dangerous man. His half truths and rantings need to be addressed and refuted. Look at the cover of his book, Argueing with Idiots, to see the type person he really is. He's showing us his true self in that photo.

  • jpeg
    March 13, 2010 2:49 p.m.

    Why does the LDS Church not denounce Beck for such outrageous comments that reflect so poorly on his beliefs. Hey, and why does KSL broadcast a master of negativity and incivility, Hannity?

  • Richard has it right
    March 13, 2010 2:51 p.m.

    Charity and Christianity are not synonymous with "social justice" or "economic justice". I hate it when so many people misinterpret a few words and don't hear his message in full context. If any of you critics actually knew Glenn and his family personally, you'd know he strives to be charitable and is very very generous.

  • jb
    March 13, 2010 2:55 p.m.

    Glenn Beck is an embarrassment to Mormons.

  • Joseph Smith
    March 13, 2010 2:58 p.m.

    I understood Glenn's comment, and I would too run away from a church like Obama did when he was running for President. This attack on Glenn by the Progressive's will only make Glenn more popular and more true Patriot American's more educated about the ongoing Demonic progressive Movement...Go Glenn...

  • Northstar1
    March 13, 2010 3:02 p.m.

    I've always liked Glenn Beck but there are times when he comes across as a fuming nutbar. Imagine railing against the likes of Teddy Roosevelt for Progressive tendencies because he acted against unfair labor practices and other excesses of the Gilded Age. Many of those same progressives were also women of the Temperance Movement. Yes, today we have Marxists and their ill-informed ideas infiltrating government and academia. But sometimes Glenn Beck needs to learn more about history beyond America to place events in context.

  • The Problem
    March 13, 2010 3:03 p.m.

    is that the LDS and Catholic churches are two of the most active in encouraging social justice.
    Prime example of this is their illegal alien stance. The churches says that they should be shown compassion. However, they do not mention that they bring an enormous amount of crime to this country. They are also stealing our children's resources of education and health care in the name of social justice. An example would be for every illegal couple that come here will wind up with five kids who are paid for by the tax payers. Pretty soon the people of Utah will wake up to this. Already they are asked to dig deeper for taxes to support these programs and will soon find that their kids are eventually be out of luck.

  • So he saying..
    March 13, 2010 3:07 p.m.

    ...there are two sets of rules. Rules for those that have money, and rules for those who do not have money.

    Rush L. can break all sorts of laws to get his drug fix and not be punished for it, and the little guy has to go to jail for a very long time. After all, Rush is a highly paid, respected, wind bag.

  • TruBluAm
    March 13, 2010 3:11 p.m.

    It is obvious that Shelrell doesn't watch Glenn or he/she would know all his information if highly researched and his comments are not at all outlandish. He is trying to educate America as to what is happening to our country and trying to save the Republic. I appreciate him and am one of his millions of loyal followers! Go Glenn!

  • Christy
    March 13, 2010 3:31 p.m.

    "I have no doubt that Christ would agree with him today if He were on earth."

    That has got to be the most backward, messed up comment on this thread. Jesus wasn't a rich white American conservative, buddy. He spread the message of love your neighbor, not the message of I got mine get your own!

    Beck is nothing more than a crazy guy with a platform, stirring up irrational fear where there is cause for none. And he's making a lot of money doing it.

  • lol
    March 13, 2010 3:39 p.m.

    All this phony indignation is pathetic - Beck is a pussy cat compared to his critics

  • Glenn Beck
    March 13, 2010 3:43 p.m.

    wants Sarah Palin to be our next president. Enough said.

  • Morihei Ueshiba
    March 13, 2010 3:43 p.m.

    Why is it when people attack Glenn Beck they resort to petty name calling rather than explaining WHAT IT IS that Glenn says that is so incredibly offensive or crazy? If you are going to argue then argue honestly and intelligently. Take some time to explain your point of view and for crying out loud if you are going to make claims back them up with FACTS as Mr. Beck does, tirelessly. Be specific as to what points you are attacking and explain yourself, otherwise you run the risk of your comments saying more about you than they do about the person you are attacking. Finally, no matter what you believe you must respect Mr. Beck for standing up publicly for what he believes knowing that he will always be a target for ignorant people. As for this particular story Glenn has been taken out of context as usual. Glenn is a Christian and gives much of his wealth to charity. "Social Justice" is NOT CHARITY folks! You are not being charitable when you give because you are compelled by government! Wake up, study history, and let's all live worthy of this rare thing we call freedom!

  • Brad
    March 13, 2010 3:48 p.m.

    So many of the posts reveal that quite a few have not listened to or watched Glenn Beck, ever, beyond this article or reading op ed pieces on Mr. Beck. This is much ado about nothing, he is against "social justice" or "economic justice" in the sense that it is the government's right to take from me and give to you to ensure it. I don't know why anyone would believe that our corrupt government could possibly do it! Jesus did NOT teach it. He did teach us to take care of the poor and needy and impart of what we have of our own free will and we would be judged one day (See Matthew Chapter 25). Churches and other charitable groups can use our DONATIONS much more wisely, with much less waste, and far more effectively than our broken, slimy government. Most of the time I find that Beck is spot on and if the rest will judge me a fear or hate monger or an uncaring and selfish person that couldn't care less about poor people...you don't know me. I hate communism and socialism...get back to the constitution!

  • Hey Al
    March 13, 2010 3:57 p.m.

    What a nice "Christian" comment!

  • Henry Drummond
    March 13, 2010 4:11 p.m.

    It does seem Beck is narrowing his viewership. Do mainstream conservatives listen to this guy anymore? It sounds like everyone is trying to distance themselves from this guy.

  • cricebronson
    March 13, 2010 4:15 p.m.

    If anyone watched the program they would have seen that for all appearence sake he did his homework. I think he was right on.He's making more and more sence with his diutribe.

  • Paul
    March 13, 2010 4:15 p.m.

    I have never been the type of person to get involved in any kind of movement. But Glen Beck inspires me. I watch him everyday and agree with most of what he says.

    I am truly happy that someone has enough back bone to actually speak the truth. I will donate the his causes and support him all the way.

  • mark
    March 13, 2010 4:17 p.m.

    Re: Anonymous 10:15 pm | 11:20 p.m. March 12, 2010

    "If you are inferring that Mr. Beck is in favor of corporate welfare you are wrong. He has consistently opposed the bailouts that Bush initiated and that have continued under Obama."

    Really?

    "I thought about it an awful lot this weekend, and while it takes everything in me to say this, I think the bailout is the right thing do.

    The "REAL STORY" is the $700 billion that you`re hearing about now is not only, I believe, necessary, it is also not nearly enough, and all of the weasels in Washington know it."-Glenn Beck on his TV show aired Sept, 22, 2008

  • flipper 1
    March 13, 2010 4:44 p.m.

    Glenn Beck is a Patriot and a Scholar!

    I suspect the hard left Progressives are not going to be too comfortable with picking a fight with Glenn Beck.

    He will lay it all out this coming week. And the Socialistic Progressives will be exposed for the phonies they are.

    As usual, Glenn will come loaded for bear, with facts and figures to prove his points. Because, that is what Scholars do.

    And as usual, the Whiney Progressive/Socialists will call names, use perjoratives and never ever once, counter-point any of Beck's arguments, with specificity and facts of their own.

    Why? Because they can't.

    I'm proud to be an LDS-Christian and I'm also proud of Glenn Beck.

    And I think, a few College Professors (some of whom are paid with tithing contributions), Naive Media Types, Headline Writers, and Socialist-Progressive Engineers, masquerading as Men of the Cloth, should demonstrate just a fraction of Beck's Scholarship, and then, just maybe, their words would not be an embarassment to "Freedom" Loving Americans.

    Buckle up leftists, it's going to be a bumpy week for you.


  • cw
    March 13, 2010 4:54 p.m.

    Glenn, I'm guessing you're reading this. Do NOT be disswaded! You are educating us and exposing the lies both subtle and brash. I, for one, could do we more facts and less drama, but recognize you're dealing with many whomust be entertained before the can listened. We -- the non-radicals who pay our taxes and take responsibility for our own actions -- support you!

  • Beck Not Voice of LDS?
    March 13, 2010 4:59 p.m.

    Well, NEITHER IS HARRY REID!!!!!! So, let's get that thread going now since you people have thrown all of the old canards into the mix already anyway. Let's go.!

  • The Rock
    March 13, 2010 5:09 p.m.

    Calling for or supporting government imposed "social justice" is indeed a code word for socialism or communism.

    Satan's plan was to force people to do the right thing, but forcing people to engage in charitable actions is not right. It is satan's plan.

    If the government forces me to engage in charity; how can God bless me for doing something I have no choise in?

    Glenn is right.

  • larry
    March 13, 2010 5:13 p.m.

    Can I still support civil rights???

  • Fly_on_the_wall
    March 13, 2010 5:24 p.m.

    It is obvious to me why the government has to step in and provide for the needy. IT IS BECAUSE US CHRISTIANS ARE NOT DOING THE JOB. Doesn't anybody realize that taking care of the poor is not an option it is a COMMANDMENT.

  • X
    March 13, 2010 5:29 p.m.

    re: Carilyn | 11:18 a.m. March 13, 2010

    {Glenn Beck is right.}

    I love oxymorons.

    {"Social Justice" is a key word for redistribution of wealth}

    No. That would be Communism or the United Order.

    {Wake up America. If you people would watch Glenn Beck you would receive an education on American History.}

    Perhaps, but, it would NOT be the right one!

    Personally, I'd rather go to the bookstore or library and do the research myself rather than blindly accept the word of a loud obnoxious alleged entertainer.

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 5:38 p.m.

    All this talk about Social Justice is forced & not real christianity makes me wonder.

    Organized Religion is all about conformity and motivation to someone elses beliefs thru fear or guilt.

    Studying Taoism has made realize how bad force & compulsion in any system of belief is.

    As for Free Will, The song by Rush (Canadian progressive rock trio) is closer than 97% of the Beck apologists on this site.

  • the truth
    March 13, 2010 5:53 p.m.

    HERE IS what Beck said:


    The people and private oraganizations SHOULD help where and when and HOW they they can,


    HOWEVER, help via government is NOT charity.


    any advocating the use and force and mandate of government is NOT charitable,

    CHRIST NEVER advocated helping the poor and needy via government,


    The Pharisees and Sadduces were ELITE of day,
    who believed they knew what was best for everyone else,

    Jesus was against the elite of the day.



    TRUE charity comes from individual NOT government.


    ANY christian church preaching SOCIAL JUSTICE through government and the elite are NOT being true Christians,


    and YES you should question them.


    Just like Christ did.

  • Catherine
    March 13, 2010 5:57 p.m.

    No one is going to do charity, give their own money to support kids on welfare that their mom's had just to get welfare and free housing. If the government didn't help people, no one else would. We shouldn't have a welfare system where unwed women have kids to get welfare, but since we do, the idea that fellow citizens will support millions of these people is nuts. The more money people have, the more they want and the more they protect their money. No one is going to help old people with medical care or pensions when we do away with Soc. Sec. and Medicare. Beck's plan is faith, there is no god, that's half the problem, hope, hope for what, that a non-existent god and people in this country will do charity. Yeah right. Can we at least start with what is and what is real and what human beings are really like. How about no faith, no false hope, no charity, forced education, take care of the planet, limit the population, real common sense.

  • Seal
    March 13, 2010 6:15 p.m.

    Find out what Social Justice means. Glenn is right.

  • It is a sad day
    March 13, 2010 6:38 p.m.

    Mormons defending and following Beck makes me think I'm in the wrong Church.

    Seriously, I can't believe I sit in Church every Sunday with people who can't see Beck's distortions and lies.

  • @ it is a sad day
    March 13, 2010 6:53 p.m.

    You could always go to the Community of Christ, I'm sure they would would be Liberal enough for you.

  • fRostwhite
    March 13, 2010 7:16 p.m.

    beck is right. but when the lds church kicks the crook harry reid out they might have a voice about beck, let me tell you not ever ladder day saint is a saint, beck is doing a great job. if you don;t like him turn him off, we love him,

  • It is a sad day
    March 13, 2010 7:31 p.m.

    It's not about being liberal or conservative. It's about having some standards and not lying, not misleading, not distorting, not demonizing, not fear mongering. There are Republican/Conservative commentators with who I would disagree with yet, for the most part, have standards--like George Will, Pat Buchanan, David Brooks, Michael Smerconish to name a few.
    FYI
    30 yrs registered Independent, 2 yrs Democrat. I finally got fed up with the Republicans.

  • to: fRostwhite
    March 13, 2010 7:32 p.m.

    Make sure your helmet is on. K?

  • I love Glen Beck
    March 13, 2010 8:00 p.m.

    Wooooo Hooooo! This will only push up Beck's popularity (and his income) with those of us who realize the evils of socialism and communism. Go Glenn!!!!!!

  • Worth repeating Part 1
    March 13, 2010 8:08 p.m.

    "HERE IS what Beck said:


    The people and private oraganizations SHOULD help where and when and HOW they they can,


    HOWEVER, help via government is NOT charity.


    any advocating the use and force and mandate of government is NOT charitable,

    CHRIST NEVER advocated helping the poor and needy via government,


    The Pharisees and Sadduces were ELITE of day,
    who believed they knew what was best for everyone else,

    Jesus was against the elite of the day.



    TRUE charity comes from individual NOT government.


    ANY christian church preaching SOCIAL JUSTICE through government and the elite are NOT being true Christians,


    and YES you should question them.


    Just like Christ did."

    I agree with this comment. It was written previously and I feel it states what Beck meant.

    If you have any issues with what he said, go read HIS words on it and figure it out yourself.

    We do that with the Book of Mormon. Why is it that we feel we should just accept someone's else opinion at face value?

    Anyone who says that has not fully investigated this to the extent they should...

  • Worth repeating Part 2
    March 13, 2010 8:13 p.m.

    Those of you on here who are writing that you cannot be in the same church as Beck, or that other LDS people who believe what Mr. Beck is saying are being deceived need to stop and evaluate Mr. Beck's OWN WORDS.

    You would not accept someone judging the Book of Mormon based on what they had read on Anti-Mormon web sites, right? Of course not!

    So why would you accept at face value the opinions of those who are against Mr. Beck's statements without getting the truth from Mr. Beck yourselves?

    My guess is that this comment board has a good portion of people who just write things for the sake of writing and filling the comment boards with pointless garbage, rather than a sincere desire to find the truth.

    Mr. Beck has said on many occasions on his TV and radio programs not to just believe him, but to find the truth for YOURSELF. To do your own homework and go to the source.

    The truth is most of us out there are doing just that. It is unfortunate there are a few who choose not to.

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 8:15 p.m.

    I love Glen Beck | 8:00 p.m Thank you for showing conservatives values that reject accountability and put greed (money) over integrity.

  • to: I love Glen Beck
    March 13, 2010 8:19 p.m.

    Uh yeah, I wouldn't be so sure.

  • If anyone reads this far
    March 13, 2010 8:22 p.m.

    Marc | 9:51 p.m. March 12, 2010
    1) No property rights - "society" owns the property and gives everyone an equal portion.
    2) Equalization of Wages - No one in society is allowed to earn more than anyone else, unless by them making more it benefits the "least advantaged of society."
    3) Everyone must have the same opportunities for everything - education, profession, etc.
    4) Marriage is important, only so far as people have children (to perpetuate society). As far as he's concerned single mothers are encouraged and will be provided for by society. But if having a child isn't convenient, abortion is justified.
    5) All ideologies, religions, etc. must conform to an "overlapping consensus" - all people and groups that don't teach/advocate for things within that consensus are "irrational and unreasonable".
    6) If you don't adhere to these things, "society" has every right to coerce (force) you to. There is no such thing as freedom of choice or agency.

    Sounds like MORMONISMS under BY and JS,

  • mmm
    March 13, 2010 8:23 p.m.

    I'm also for the constitution. I just don't want to go back to slavery and times when I wouldn't have had the opportunity to vote or own property. To the times when I was considered chattel, if at all. Skousen? Give me a break!

  • jk
    March 13, 2010 8:30 p.m.

    Okay, so all who believe that giving cannot be mandated... how many of you are truly willing to share what you have? Do you ask me to believe that you would be there when I needed you? Well, I needed you, and you weren't there. No one was. Just me. So as you sit there and type, consider what you are saying and ask yourself if you would actually be there to help. Practice what you preach and do something. There are some who do, and God bless them for that. However, the majority won't; for that reason, some things have to be mandated.

    Would you pay for building a road if asked? A school? Would your neighbor? The first time everyone didn't do his or her share, you would be withdrawing what financial and emotional support you were providing and so would everyone else. We're not that giving or forgiving, (read the posts here and see what I mean) so mandates, thank heaven for them.

  • Rockman
    March 13, 2010 8:39 p.m.

    @ "X 5:29 p.m" ~ If you would ever listen to Glenn Beck his advise is to learn everything you can from the original sources. He continually asks his listeners to study, read, and learn the truth for themselves. He does not seek others to follow what he says blindly! He is not looking for mindless people to follow him. He continues to want to educate the people of our history.

    @ "It is a sad day" ~ My view as a LDS member is 180 deg. from yours. I read and hear views from those that claim to be LDS and act like it's great to be for socialism, not standing for principle, who worry more about popularity or what others think, rather than defending truth, standing for honor, and being immovable for righteousness.



    We are taught to study out of the best books, ponder, work things out in our own minds and come to a knowledge of the truth. It is great that there are those that follow this standard! Brother Beck is one of these!

  • Beck is right on this
    March 13, 2010 8:55 p.m.

    The concept of Social Justice is a far left, nanny state agenda. It was the stock-in-trade of Ted Kennedy.
    It sounds so soothing and Christian. It is anything but.
    Beck also encourages people to read, ponder and pray about any philosophy out there...not to take his word for it. (Sound familiar?)
    It is NOT self-reliance and agency, that's for certain.

  • Anonymous
    March 13, 2010 9:07 p.m.

    We have these right wing defenders of Beck who have become to feel entitled to pay less for taxes, letting us single taxpayers fund their lifestyle.

    I never had a problem paying more to educate the children of other. This daily whining form conservatives victims is changing my view of having my money redistributed so, they pay less in taxes.

  • Barbara
    March 13, 2010 9:22 p.m.

    Jesus preached love and forgiveness and demonstrated his love for humanity by feeding the hungry and healing the sick. To follow Jesus, if one reads the Bible, one has an obligation to take care of those who are in need, to love all, and to follow God's laws. So-called Christians who spout hatred and turn people against one another and feel no responsibility towards their fellow men certainly do not qualify as followers of Christ. Those who care more about big business instead of children and hard working parents without health care or jobs, and feel no need to help them in a sustained way are turning their backs on Christ. They need only to read the Bible to see that they are not Christians in spirit.

  • nancy
    March 13, 2010 9:32 p.m.

    I listen to Glenn Beck. He tells the truth, it's just that a lot of us don't want to face the truth of what is really happening in America. We need to listen to all of it, not just certain parts. I am LDS and I am not embarrassed by Mr. Beck. I find him a welcome relief from the day to day untruths we here about on several television stations daily in this country. I don't believe in forced charity. I believe in charity coming from our hearts. when our government tells us we have to have forced charity, it is not charity, it is welfare. Wake up America, we're getting burned.

  • zag4christ
    March 13, 2010 9:50 p.m.

    When I first encountered Glen Beck on Fox, I found him interesting. In his early career on Fox, he was somewhat level in his thoughts and comments. I am a conservative, Catholic, and I believe in states rights over federal rights, the right to life from conception to natural death, absolutely against federal take over of anything except diminishing the national debt. As time has gone on, Mr. Beck has become more and more strident, more and more into seeing some kind of conspiracy like the "Trilateral Commission" and such. I applaud him when he calls to task our kindergarten President with his leftist agenda, but Glen Beck seems to be getting carried away.
    Peace and God Bless

  • John Pack Lambert
    March 13, 2010 10:27 p.m.

    To social justice Mormon,
    Stop trying to steady the ark.
    Is that an ultimatum. If the Church "does not distance itself enough" from Beck, will you leave?
    You confuse your twisted interpretation of what Beck said with what he actually said. Beck has never claimed his political views are those of the LDS Church. It makes no more sense for the Church to actively seek to distance itself from Beck than from Harry Reid.
    I would say trying to equate ANYTHING with Nazism is over-the-top, unjustified hyperbole. If people can actually bring a point by point comparison, that pays attention to what the Nazis ACTUALLY did, it might ALMOST be worthwhile, but what Beck did is clearly over the top.
    However, when did it become the duty of Church leaders to publicly criticize members for being uncivil? Multiple church leaders, including Bishop Burton and President Monson urged civility at the last General Conference.
    If Beck ignores their council, what do you want them to do? Excommunicate him for being too rude? If that is the case, than you are far harsher than anyone who was disturbed by Heyborne's beer ad.

  • John Pack Lambert
    March 13, 2010 10:34 p.m.

    To Gima,
    It is Humpty Dumpty, not the Cheshire cat, who was a firm believe in words meaning only what he wanted them to. At least that was how it was in Charles Dogson (Lewis Caroll's) original books.

  • Beck gets it
    March 13, 2010 10:44 p.m.

    Communism is the Devil's plan and social justice is a step towards Communism. Beck gets it.

  • uritaata
    March 13, 2010 10:46 p.m.

    a few social scriptures

    " Alma saw wicknedness...He saw a great INEQUALITY among the people, some,...turning their back upon the needy and the naked and those who were hungry and those who were athirst and those who sick and afflicted" Alma 4

    "The Lord called his people Zion because... there was no poor among them" Moses 7

    "This was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom...neither she did strenghten the hand of the poor and the needy" Ezechiel 16

    "woe unto them that decree unrighteous decree.. to turn aside the needy...to take away the right from the poor, that widows may be their prey, and that they may rob the fatherless'' Isaiah 10

  • mark
    March 13, 2010 10:46 p.m.

    I find this stance from Utahns about self reliance and no government "charity" 100% inane.

    Tell you what, Utahns, if you really believe that government should not be in the "charity" business then let's get a movement together to push for the repeal of tax laws that allow for tax deductions for children. Why should those without children pay more in taxes then those with children? Why shoud this charity be provided to families that chose to have children? Let them pay their own way. I assume all you people that are decrying government charity are with me. Right?

  • TK
    March 13, 2010 10:47 p.m.

    Glenn is right on and way ahead of every other media personality out there, including Rush Limbaugh.
    Glenn has done his homework on what is happening in our society and realizes that there is an agenda behind Obama and the radical progressives that have taken over the highest seats of power in our government. People refuse to consider the different radicals that are in this administration at the behest of Obama. Wake the heck up and see what is happening! See that our country is on a dark path and we need to figure this out before it becomes too late.
    @zag4christ, Glenn is not the one getting carried away, its this administration and what they are planning and doing to our country. Health care to Obama is not about taking care of others, its about power and control.

  • John Pack Lambert
    March 13, 2010 10:48 p.m.

    Someone asked for an explanation of why Glen Beck is so offensive. I will try to explain.
    He calls President Obama "racist". President Obama has over and over again avoided playing the race card. He has distanced himself from true race baiters like Jimmy Carter and not joined with the shrill claims that people who oppose him or verbally express frustration in the form of specific dislike for specific points are racist.
    He has also not followed the example of some radicals and tried to equate one utterance of "you lie" to an extended screem and shout session calling someone a "murderous dog" and worse intended to disrupt their speech.
    I do not want more government mandates of health care coverage, and am sure the way to cut costs is torn reform and cutting down on state manadated coverage, not increasing demand by making everone buy coverage.
    However, just because I disagree with Obama does not mean he is the spawn of Satan or a racist.
    I also think that Glen Beck's claims of "nazism" are unjustified. At the same time anyone who compares him to Goebels destroys their own credability in attackin him.

  • SIMPLY FASCINATING!
    March 13, 2010 10:48 p.m.


    The world according to Beck and the right:

    The US is supposed to be a Christian country. Legislators should follow Christian values.

    HOWEVER: When in office, Christian-valuing legislators in this Christian-valuing country ARE NOT to use their power to benefit the poor. No flipping way. Any action to benefit the poor is ONLY to be done by citizens on a voluntary basis. If Christian-believing legislators use their power and position to follow Christ's mandate to exercise pure religion and help the poor, this is communism/nazism/socialism.

    Rather, legislators are allowed to only facilitate business ventures. Legislators are only supposed to eliminate regulation, protect unequal bargaining power, minimize consumer protections, etc. (Sorry, the income disparity b/w execs and rank and file workers dispels any trickle down arguments.)

    This seeming disconnect about the purported role of a "Christian" government fascinates me.

    (And no, I'm not an ill-informed liberal. I used to be a capitalist cheerleader. I have an Ivy League JD, have worked for major law firms/corporations for 12 years, and see first-hand how we exploit current laws to shaft employees and customers. Trust me, it ain't Christian.)

  • SIMPLY FASCINATING!
    March 13, 2010 10:51 p.m.


    The world according to Beck and the right:

    The US is supposed to be a Christian country. Legislators should follow Christian values.

    HOWEVER: When in office, Christian-valuing legislators in this Christian-valuing country ARE NOT to use their power to benefit the poor. No flipping way. Any action to benefit the poor is ONLY to be done by citizens on a voluntary basis. If Christian-believing legislators use their power and position to follow Christ's mandate to exercise pure religion and help the poor, this is communism/nazism/socialism.

    Rather, legislators are allowed to only facilitate business ventures. Legislators are only supposed to eliminate regulation, protect unequal bargaining power, minimize consumer protections, etc. (Sorry, the income disparity b/w execs and rank and file workers dispels any trickle down arguments.)

    This seeming disconnect about the purported role of a "Christian" government fascinates me.

    (And no, I'm not an ill-informed liberal. I used to be a capitalist cheerleader. I have an Ivy League JD, have worked for major law firms/corporations for 12 years, and see first-hand how we exploit current laws to shaft employees and customers. Trust me, it ain't Christian.)

  • John Pack Lambert
    March 13, 2010 10:56 p.m.

    To the 6:38 comentator,
    Do you believe in the Church because it has the true priesthood, is lead by a prophet and teaches the true gospel? Or do you just go to Church to be with nice people and feel good?
    I think you need to really and seriously ask yoursef this question, because if your faith can be shaken by the political views of other members, it is pretty weak.
    I think we need immigration reform, and I think we need to love our brethren no matter what side of the Rio Grande they were born on, but the fact that Chaffetz is a Mormon does not make me question the faith's validity, because I know for myself, haveing recieved confirmations from God.
    The Church is perfect, but we have all sinned and come short of the glory of God. If the Church cleansed itself of every inperfect person it would be empty.
    Several general authorities, such as Bishop Burton, spoke on the need for civility in the last general conference. The fact that most members did not hear and harken does not say anything about the Church as an institution, just us as people.

  • Was Mormon,
    March 13, 2010 11:15 p.m.

    but I guess I'm not anymore...

  • Concerned Citizen
    March 13, 2010 11:19 p.m.

    I listen to Glenn Beck every chance I get and I love listening to him. You have to be intelligent to understand what he is saying. If you listen to him enough you know that he always uses great examples when he talks. This isn't like he sits around and makes this up. You can't create the stuff that he talks about. People are blinded when they say that Beck doesn't understand what he talks about. It doesn't matter what your religion is Beck knows what he is talking about. People know he's right if they won't admit it or not. Keep it up Glenn. I read and watch all I can to learn more from you and don't listen to these blinded people that don't want to understand the truth about where this country is headed if we continue on this path.

  • sue
    March 13, 2010 11:58 p.m.

    I think he doesn't give a hoot about the less fortunate. like many church members, frankly. it's all about "i gotta get mine", "i gotta get rich--- too bad for everyone else".


    sad.

  • Leeann
    March 14, 2010 12:25 a.m.

    If I have $500.00 left at the end of the month after paying bills and I donate it to the people in Haiti, that is freedom, combined with charity. If the government peeks in my bank account, sees that I have money left at the end of the month, and says,"Hey, you have $500.00 just sitting there doing nothing, so we're going to take it and give it to Haiti. And by the way, we're going to take that second car you have in the driveway because, gee, you hardly use it, and you want to help others, right? Oh, and we're taking that money you've been saving for retirement because you're not going to retire for another 20 years anyway, so what good is it doing you? And we'll be back to see what money you have left over next month." THAT is social justice. I'm a very active LDS member, who likes Glenn Beck, and I know the difference between true charity, social justice, and consecration.

  • What?
    March 14, 2010 12:39 a.m.

    How is communism the devil's plan? Common ownership of the means of production is the devil's work? I suppose then that you'd argue that 1% of the worlds population controlling 95% of the world's wealth is the Lord's plan? I'm not trying to put words into anyone's mouth. Yet, I am astounded by comments such as this.

  • Precepts
    March 14, 2010 1:31 a.m.

    I am trying to figure out what the stir is. Glenn Beck simply said what is true. Social Justice is NOT what Jesus taught us about when he taught us to be full of hope, faith, love, and CHARITY!

    Charity is not forced. Love is not FORCED. Glenn was only saying that if your parish has the idea that Social Justice is to mean "Give your money to a GOVERNMENT so they can be charitable FOR YOU", then getting out IS the right thing.

    Remember people, Satan also had a plan of FORCED obedience. God rejected this FORCED SALVATION plan that Satan proposed and went instead for the PLAN OF SALVATION, a plan by which we would all LEARN to be obedient in order to get back to Heaven. Jesus' plan was of love. Not of FORCE.

    I too ask those of you who belong to a PARISH that preaches FORCED CHARITY to RUN for it, and find one that doesn't. Get far away. EVEN if it is a Mormon Church and your Bishop condones teaching this blasphemy...RUN HARD to one that does not...move if you must.

  • RE: What?
    March 14, 2010 5:25 a.m.

    Agency and freedom, freedom to choose, freedom follow your conscience, the dictates or your own mind,

    for GOOD or bad,


    that God's plan.


    communism is forced, is others making choices for you,

    forced dependence on government or others,

    NO agency.

    thus satan's plan.

  • Anonymous
    March 14, 2010 5:43 a.m.

    As Latter-day Saints, we come from a heritage of people who had “a vision of a different world, a world where injustice and oppression, poverty and ignorance would be dispelled and a world where men and women would be brothers and sisters” (Alexander B. Morrison, in Church News [14 Oct. 1995]: 4 ).

    The concept of social justice is very much part of our tradition and doctrine. It is the cause of Zion which is promoting unity and economic equality. The end is always the same. The means may differ and does not necessarily rely on government programs. Google in Mormon Zion Project.

  • beck does not speak for others
    March 14, 2010 7:26 a.m.

    I am LDS and grateful the Church stated Glenn Beck does not speak for it. Glenn Beck does not represent my religious views and I hope the Church will continue to state that Glenn Beck does not represent the views of other Latter-Day Saints.

  • concerned
    March 14, 2010 8:01 a.m.

    I am concerned that those who oppose Glenn Beck are ignoring the fact that he is trying to expose what is going on in this great country. Exposing communists and fascists, etc., surrounding the president of our great land. If those who object to his style of presenting information, you are not really listening to what he has to say. Perhaps he clowns a bit, but it is easier to listen to as we take the medicine, and learn about the secrets of the government. I was fascinated by his historical sketches of the Nazis and what was really going on under our noses so many years ago. We didn't have the internet and the media access back then to get the word out. Now we do, and I applaud Beck for exposing the truth and being so passionate about it all. He is just trying to get people off their couch and do something positive and be informed.

  • LAProfessional
    March 14, 2010 8:19 a.m.

    I hope most educated people in America wake up before it's too late. Don't be like Sandy (whose name is right on) and put your heads in the sand. Once our country is destroyed it will be too late. I have worked long and hard for everything that I have, including my paycheck, which gets smaller every month, and don't want the Government to tell me that I have to work even harder so that they can spread my wealth, and I use that term lightly, around to those who feel that they are entitled to whatever they want. I believe in charity but not forced redistribution. That's pure and simple socialism at it's best. All of you who love that kind of Government, move to a socialist country. I'm sure Sean Penn can help you out with that.

  • Beck leads the blind
    March 14, 2010 9:42 a.m.

    "Charity is not forced, love is not forced."

    Nobody is "forcing" you to pay taxes. You can choose not to pay taxes--however there are consequences for that choice. Nobody can "force" you to love others--as far as I know we don't have "mind control."

    Church leaders are denouncing what Beck said--yet people on these boards are still defending him. What is wrong with this picture?

  • Janet
    March 14, 2010 9:46 a.m.

    I've done a little research on my own- something Mr. Beck constantly highlghts as a requirement of a free society and a freedom-loving people. Google: "UCBerkley Social Justice Symposium" for their definition of what embodies the spirit of this issue: "Social justice is a process, not an outcome, which (1) seeks fair (re) distribution of resources, opportunities, and responsibilities..." Wikipedia defines social justice as involving "a greater degree of economic egalitarianism through progressive taxation, income redistribution, or even property redistribution, policies aimed toward achieving that which developmental economists refer to as more equality of opportunity and equality of outcome than may currently exist in some societies or are available to some classes in a given society". "From each according to his ability; to each according to his needs." Sound familiar?
    If this is your idea of the gospel of Jesus Christ who taught us individual faith, hope, and charity, then we are truly on a different page. Do your own homework- we all seem to be emotionally overcome with other people's opinions and intellectually withdrawn from truth.

  • elizabeth
    March 14, 2010 10:11 a.m.

    I worked for over fifty years and never have I borrowed a dollar from anyone. There are some in my own family who have rarely worked and have been more than willing to let others support them. I have helped many people out, but unless people cannot really help themselves I think it hurts them to continually bail them out. Some people have to hit bottom before they realize they have to do something themselves. Socialist I'm not, but occasionally I wish for a everyone has to work law.

  • From the Church website
    March 14, 2010 10:14 a.m.

    Among news organizations grappling with these issues, National Public Radio has done a commendable job of establishing guidelines that promote journalistic ethics by delineating clear boundaries between the private and the public. In doing so, they inject a welcome dose of order into an often unwieldy world of conflicting information.

  • ew
    March 14, 2010 10:37 a.m.

    Get your heads out of the sand and listen to the warnings, of Glenn Beck and others,,, maybe, he is not always right, but, he has opened a can of worms in our government, to the corruption and lies being fed us. It has gone on for years,but, thanks to Beck we have got a lot to think about.
    It has all snowballed since the last election and plenty scary to see things exposed to us....

  • So many are confused!
    March 14, 2010 11:01 a.m.

    How is it that there are so many LDS that want to think that by paying taxes and having the gov't provide for the needy is the way our giving is shown?

    It's not in any way, shape, or form the purpose of taxes or gov't programs to provide for others. This is a way to weaken individuals by growing dependent on others. Socialism is evil, it tugs on pity and weakness to make all weak and dependent. This is opposite of what we learn from LDS teachings. Everything should be done by free will, and if we suffer and endure it well, "all is well" as the song states! Suffering and struggle is what we are meant to work out, why do so many want to make life free of pain by TAKING from others to "make it fair"? Where is the growth?

    If you truly study what "social justice" is all about you would be well to do as Brother beck suggests.....run from it....it is evil!

  • Anonymous
    March 14, 2010 11:36 a.m.

    He DIDN'T say to leave a church just because the phrase "social justice" is used. He did say to look in to weather that phrase suggests that the church is for forced equalization or not (progressivism). There is not extremism in Beck, just in his delivery. How the "expert" could say that the BOM supports social justice---meaning government forced equality---I can't imagine, especially with libertarian figures such as Cap Moroni and others who clearly value liberty (and I am not talking about liberty from want) above almost all else.

  • Anonymous
    March 14, 2010 11:42 a.m.

    RE: "Beck Leads the Blind"

    "nobody is forcing you to pay taxes"

    REALLY?? Can I quote you on that when they come for me after I refuse to pay the outstanding tax debt I owe?

    If you believe that, you are deluded, and need to investigate the nature of government. Seriously.

  • Thomas Doman
    March 14, 2010 11:49 a.m.

    ... the guilty taketh the truth to be hard, for it cutteth them to the very center.

    (Book of Mormon | 1 Nephi 16:2)

  • Political views, not religious
    March 14, 2010 12:34 p.m.

    Glenn Beck is speaking about political views, and he does not speak for the LDS Church.

    But notice that in spite of his statements he has not left the LDS Church. That ought to say something about whether or not Mr. Beck feels the LDS Church has been going in that direction or not.

    I do not feel the LDS Church advocates such a thing. When they speak of caring for the poor, they speak of doing it selflessly and out of one's willingness to choose to help. While they also preach of living the laws of the land, they do not advocate government-mandated humanitarian aid as the ultimate best option of developing spiritual growth from giving.

    They teach the law of tithing, and donating to the Church's humanitarian fund. They do work with government entities on humanitarian efforts, and leaders may encourage on local levels to give to Boy Scouts, United Way, and other specific causes, but the vast majority of the giving is done through the Church.

    I know of nowhere where the LDS Church advocates social justice. If Mr. Beck has not left the LDS Church, that should serve as a good indication.

  • Frank Castle
    March 14, 2010 12:49 p.m.

    re: Thomas Doman | 11:49 a.m. March 14, 2010

    it appears you have missed "Church leaders are denouncing what Beck said--yet people on these boards are still defending him. What is wrong with this picture?" by Beck leads the blind | 9:42 a.m. March 14, 2010

    Who is guilty of what? The Beckster is for a really really phenomenally bad impersonation of a 21st century Socrates.

  • George Nada
    March 14, 2010 12:58 p.m.

    Beck at one point had Jonah Goldberg on his show when JG's book "Liberal Fascism" was all the rage.

    Early on in the aforementioned book, it talked about how Progressives and Religion had a coalition of sorts.

    It seems Glennie is just trying to be controversial for controversies sake. Maybe Eric Bischoff (who? look it up) is right. He once said "Controversy creates cash." So, while you all are tilting @ windmills, The Beckster is laughing all the way to the bank.

  • Anonymous
    March 14, 2010 1:02 p.m.

    re: flipper 1 | 4:44 p.m. March 13, 2010

    Anyone got an aspirin? My head hurts after that post. Glenn Beck a scholar? I must find a way to work that into my stand up routine.

    Seriously, This whole culture war and how Secular-progressives are evil incaranate was done better by O'Reilly and played out about the 3rd time he used it years ago.

  • X
    March 14, 2010 1:09 p.m.

    re: Rockman | 8:39 p.m. March 13, 2010
    @ "X 5:29 p.m"

    "If you would ever listen to Glenn Beck his advise is to learn everything you can from the original sources. He continually asks his listeners to study, read, and learn the truth for themselves. He does not seek others to follow what he says blindly! He is not looking for mindless people to follow him. He continues to want to educate the people of our history."

    Which is it do you want me to listen to GB or study it myself?

    If he is not looking for mindless people to follow than wouldn't his popularity wane pretty fast?

    I avoid everything w/ a photo of Palin, Jim Cramer, Mitt, or Beck picture @ the bookstore... everythnig else is fair game.

  • ant-pc
    March 14, 2010 1:10 p.m.

    FACT: "Social Justice" means redistribution of wealth and racial/gender preferences or "quotas." It is a radical progressive ideology that has been used in all totalitarian regimes from Communism to Italian Fascism and German Fascism. It is anti-free market and anti-individual freedom. And as such- all should indeed flee from it's evil, oppressive, innovation-crushing claws. It promotes collectivism, welfare state, and corporatism. It is that antithesis of the individual freedom ("free agency") which the Creator grants to all people. We support you Glen- keep speaking truth regardless of those who are ignorant to it.

  • christianity
    March 14, 2010 1:19 p.m.

    The fact that Glenn Beck is Mormon is a good reason to believe that Mormons are not Christians.

  • Re Shaken Testimony
    March 14, 2010 1:26 p.m.

    To "shaken testimony", out of curiosity I just searched the LDS church's website, and I didn't find any hits for social justice. You get hits containing the words social OR justice, but never the two words together.

    I don't listen to Glenn Beck and I am not familiar with his program at all, but I find it interesting that in the midst of trying to portray Glenn Beck as ignorant or a liar (or both), you have shown that you yourself qualify for either (or both) qualities.

  • antipc
    March 14, 2010 1:27 p.m.

    Soical justice is another example of liberals wanting equality of outcomes. All men are created equal, they do not end equal. Some people are naturally more gifted, work harder, and apply themselves. Radical liberals with their code words like "social justice" simply want all people to hit the finish line at the same time- sounds a lot like communism to me. Wake up religious people. It is not government's role or duty to force equality of outcomes- this is a dangerous ideology!!!

  • Can't stand the guy
    March 14, 2010 1:28 p.m.

    and I'm as right wing, die-hard LDS as you can be.

    lol

  • Anonymous
    March 14, 2010 1:35 p.m.

    re: ant-pc | 1:10 p.m. March 14, 2010

    {FACT: "Social Justice" means redistribution of wealth...It is anti-free market and anti-individual freedom....It promotes collectivism, welfare state, and corporatism.}

    Maybe, Social Justice would not be such a bad thing.

    Corporations have received the lions share of welfare recently. Sounds to me like the greedy & conspiratorial Ivy League Oligarchs are as anti-free market as you can get.

  • mark
    March 14, 2010 2:05 p.m.

    Anonymous | 11:42 a.m. March 14, 2010
    "RE: "Beck Leads the Blind"

    "nobody is forcing you to pay taxes"

    REALLY?? Can I quote you on that when they come for me after I refuse to pay the outstanding tax debt I owe?

    If you believe that, you are deluded, and need to investigate the nature of government. Seriously."



    No, you are deluded. Seriously. The initial poster is 100% right: nobody forces you to pay taxes.

    It's simple: you don't want to pay taxes in this country? Leave.

    The government does not force you to remain in this country, you are free to immigrate to another country, but while in this country, yes you will have to abide by it's laws. Again, no one forces you to stay, you are here voluntarily; no one forces you to pay taxes. If you decide to stay in this country then yes you are expected to pay your share through taxes.

  • Gov't is not God
    March 14, 2010 2:07 p.m.

    The left is trying to replace God with the Gov't. Well that won't work out well and never has. If you take God out of the picture and rely soley on the it is no longer charity to give it will be Slavery. God gives you a choice. Gov't does not give you a choice, they will take it from you if neccessary by force.

  • mark
    March 14, 2010 2:26 p.m.

    ant-pc | 1:10 p.m. March 14, 2010 you, for some reason, say:

    ' "Social Justice" means redistribution of wealth and racial/gender preferences or "quotas." '

    Then you say:

    'It is a radical progressive ideology that has been used in all totalitarian regimes from Communism to Italian Fascism and German Fascism.'

    German Fascism had 'racial/gender preferences or "quotas." '?

    Really? The NAZIs had affirmative action? Is that what you Glenn Beck supporters call the holocaust?

  • mark
    March 14, 2010 2:39 p.m.

    antipc | 1:27 p.m. March 14, 2010

    "Soical justice is another example of liberals wanting equality of outcomes."

    And of course that is not what liberals want. Liberals are not calling for "equality of outcomes" Some are calling for more equality of opportunity. Opportunity, antipc. Even you, maybe, can see the difference.

    To strive towards more equality of opportunity. Tell me how you see that as a bad thing.

    In other words, liberals, for example, would see it as important to try to provide a quality education for everyone, no matter if they are a child that comes from a wealthy family or a poor family.

  • Rockman
    March 14, 2010 2:47 p.m.

    @ X 1:09

    Ignorance is bliss for you isn't it!

    As for your question, it would help to do both.. Study and listen to Glenn Beck. You would be very enlightened.

    The mindless are not the ones that are paying attention to GB, they are the informed! If there is something to dispute with what he(GB) points out, do it, point it out. Funny thing is that not too many are able to dispute.....just a lot of ignorant people complaining about what they do not know!

  • mark
    March 14, 2010 2:48 p.m.

    Okay, I did not get anybody supporting me on starting a movement to repeal that tax laws in Utah that give deductions for having children, in other words government charity given to families with children.

    What? You all talk the talk but no one will walk the walk. If you are to be consistent in what you say, you need to get rid of this Utah law that forces charity. Why should I be forced, through the government, to provide for your family?

    We both work the same job, we both get the same wage, but you get to pay less because you have chosen to have children, therefore I pay more then you to provide for you and your children, I am forced into charity for you. Join with me to get rid of this law.

  • anti pc
    March 14, 2010 2:50 p.m.

    to Mark-
    Yes, Hitler was an advocate of "social justice" and in his rise to power he railed against the wealthy aristrocrats and demanded "social justice"- that is why he hated the Jews- to him, they represented the wealthy traditional establishment. Hitler promoted the "common good" over self interest. Hitler promoted providing a job for all citizens, shared profits with labor, expanded pensions, universal health care, nationalization of industry. SOUND FAMILIAR???--- Social justice!!

  • mark
    March 14, 2010 2:54 p.m.

    If you are to be consistent on your believes on government providing "charity" you have to be willing to get rid of all government programs that provide help to anyone. You must be for removing all welfare programs: Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, SCHIP, food assistance, housing assistance.

    To be consistent you have to be willing to get rid of all government aid to children and mothers and poor families, you have to be willing to say that you do not want government to help provide medical care or food for children, because of course this is forced charity.

    Tell, you what, run candidates on that platform will you. Please.

  • Just to clarify.
    March 14, 2010 3:06 p.m.

    Charity forced=not charity. See 1st Corinthians 13. By the way the definition of charity isn't to give away money. Charity is the pure love of Christ. It is expressed in thousands of different ways. Giving of your goods to feed the poor is part of it.

    Also to all who said that glenn Beck is a hypocrite you should probably check some sort of record to prove he isn't practicing what he preaches.

  • mark
    March 14, 2010 3:22 p.m.

    Not that I think that religion should come into this discussion, but since many of you have brought up His name let me ask you

    when you stand in front of Him on judgement day how exactly will that conversation go?

    Him: Let me get this right, you thought it was fine to create the biggest war machine ever, you thought it was fine for this war machine to use fearsome weapons to destroy my children in the most horrible ways imaginable, you never said a word against this, not one, in fact you supported it; yet when government wanted to create programs that would help keep my children healthy and well, programs that would help the least among my children, you fought against it?

    You: Well, the government wanted to take my money. . .

    Him: Had I not told you to render unto government what is theirs? Mine is not the kingdom of earth. Had I not told you to give everything away to the poor?

    You: But they wanted to force me be charitable! They wanted to tax me! It's my money! Mine!

    He just looks at you.

    You: It's mine! Mine, I tell you!

  • anti-pc
    March 14, 2010 3:31 p.m.

    the problem is that an increasing number of Americans view the government as their religion. It is becoming a liberal "God-State" where the totalitarian temptation ( ie. "everything inside the gov. and nothing outside the control of gov.") is becoming increasing more enticing to the lazy and entitled. They want and expect government to solve every problem, control the economy, and convert every wish from housing, to food, to education, and health care into a "right." It has exceeded the Nanny-State mentality of "It Takes a Village" and morphed into people looking to government to save and redeem them. The founding father's are turning over in their graves at what we've become. The civil society in America is dead.

  • social justice
    March 14, 2010 3:45 p.m.

    I find it amazing how many people are stating that the Mormon Church does not advocate social justice. Mormons really aren't Christian.

  • mark
    March 14, 2010 3:49 p.m.

    Him: You thought it was fine to hold my children down and pour water down their throats, you thought it was fine to tie them up by their hands to the ceiling, you thought it was fine to torment my children, but you did not think it was okay to put together programs to provide good health care to my children, because you did not want anyone to force you to be charitable. Let me get this straight, that is what you are telling me?

    You: But we needed to know what they knew! We had to!

    Him: Did I not tell you Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, did I not tell you that unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other? Did you not hear me?

    You: But they were terrorists!!

    Him: I don't remember qualifying when I said to love all. Were you not listening? So you supported torturing my children, but not government programs that would help them?

    You: But they wanted my money! It is the devil’s plan! I'm telling you! The devil’s! Socialism! Socialism!!

  • to mark
    March 14, 2010 3:52 p.m.

    I have 10 children who are now grown and working. They each HAVE to pay by deductions from their paycheck for social security from which I'm sure that you are going to benefit. The Social Security system is run like a huge multi-level marketing matrix. There is no trust fund it is all cash flow now. How many contributors(children) did you put in your down line?

  • mark
    March 14, 2010 3:54 p.m.

    "the problem is that an increasing number of Americans view the government as their religion."

    So says anti-pc.

    I want religion as far away from my government as possible. Just because people want social programs does not mean they do not recognize the difference between government and religion or that they think government is religion. What's wrong with you?

  • Proof in the Pudding
    March 14, 2010 4:00 p.m.

    Has the First Presidency of the Mormon Church spoke out against Glenn? No! I guess that it is true that mormons are not Christian.

  • mark
    March 14, 2010 4:10 p.m.

    "I have 10 children who are now grown and working."

    Ten children, and if you live in Utah you have got tax deductions for all of them (have you even paid any income taxes for most of your life?)

    So are you with me then? Do you think that the government should not be in the charity business? Will you join with me then if you think that the government should not be in the charity business and fight to remove the child deductions that provided charity for you for most of your life?

    (You didn't happen to have any of those children on any government program like CHIPs did you? Did you have them educated in public schools?)

  • X
    March 14, 2010 4:13 p.m.

    re:Rockman | 2:47 p.m. March 14, 2010
    @ X 1:09

    "Ignorance is bliss for you isn't it!

    As for your question, it would help to do both.. Study and listen to Glenn Beck. You would be very enlightened.

    The mindless are not the ones that are paying attention to GB, they are the informed!"

    It would appear you are delusional & projecting.

    GB IMO (I've watched) is a watered down hybrid of O'Reilly & Lou Dobbs for the American Idol crowd.

    Turnabout being fairplay; you now have to watch Olbermann & Maddow.

  • to mark
    March 14, 2010 4:28 p.m.

    As I said, my children are the ones now paying forced charity for you since they are PAYING property taxes for schools as well as the social security (forced charity) going to you in your old age.

  • mark
    March 14, 2010 4:36 p.m.

    to mark | 3:52 p.m. March 14, 2010

    Social security is not, should not be MLM, it should not be like a ponzi scheme. Thinking of a down stream like MLM in social security is ridiculous. I would imagine that your family has and will take for more out of the system then I ever will.

    For instance, if you have had your children educated in the public school system of Utah, I have paid far more then you to put your children through that system, while you have got tax breaks so you did not have to pay into the system to educate your large family. Are you okay with receiving that kind of charity from the government. If so, then I would hope that you would not make an argument against heath care reform based on the fact that it is government forced charity, seeing as you have been a recipient of government charity. If you are against receiving government charity then let's get rid of the child tax deductions. What do you say?

  • TR64
    March 14, 2010 5:08 p.m.

    Beck uses the mantle of the LDS church to establish his bona fides as a commentator on political matters, yet he would think you are unaware that the same church has a social justice component that it believes is exemplary.

    Perhaps Beck is calling for those only of other religions to be critical in their beliefs? Perhaps, but that is the grossest of hypocrisies.

    When Beck makes his statement on social justice then uses the symbols of Communism and Nazism to frame a false dilemma and restrict the range of choice to a simple dichotomy in which social justice is equivalent to Communism and Nazism (its false on his face, social justice had no place in Nazism, even in propaganda), then I know what Beck is doing and it is pure evil.

  • mark
    March 14, 2010 5:09 p.m.

    "As I said, my children are the ones now paying forced charity for you since they are PAYING property taxes for schools as well as the social security (forced charity) going to you in your old age."

    Right, but the education budget in Utah is made up from only 29% property taxes, whereas 55% of the education budget comes from income taxes, and as we know you have paid far less then me towards income taxes, therefore less towards education, and if your children all have as many children as you chose to have they will pay far less into the education system also. Also your children not only pay towards Social Security, but they also will take out of the system in their old age, in other words they will benefit the same as me.

    As I said before, overall your family will take far more out of the system then mine. They will most likely use far more services then mine. And, as is obvious, you will have paid less into the system then me, because of your deductions for children.

  • mark
    March 14, 2010 5:22 p.m.

    Let's say all things being equal between you and me, i.e. we both have the same income, and the same property taxes, you will have paid less into the system and received more from the system, with your ten children, then I will have. I will have been paying for your lifestyle choices.

    Now your argument that your children are paying for my Social Security (when I get it, if I get it) does not wash, because they will also, someday, be receiving Social Security themselves. And even if we take your argument as accurate that Social Security is a ponzi scheme, then your ten children will, apparently in your view, need ten people each to support them. Again, you and your family are a much bigger drain on the system.

    And I'll ask again, did you ever receive money from a government program (other then getting to pay less in taxes) to help support your large family? WIC? CHIPs? Food stamps? School lunch programs? If so then your family has been even more of a drain.

    But we're off topic. Are you for cutting the child deduction? And paying for your own children?

  • Hey Mark
    March 14, 2010 6:30 p.m.

    Way to logically & coherently dispute the poster @ 3:52 who tried calling you out.

  • shhhhhhhhh
    March 14, 2010 7:54 p.m.

    Social Justice Mormon PT2-please take a chill pill! He never said there are Nazi's in the LDS church!

  • Read Mr. Beck's words
    March 14, 2010 8:09 p.m.

    It is obvious that lots of people listen to Mr. Beck, and that he has a lot of clout and influence. It should not come as a surprise that many people like his comments, while others cannot stand it.

    I would encourage everyone to remember that Mr. Beck has said on his broadcasts to not take what he says at face value, but to do the research and homework for yourself.

    He has said to go straight to the sources to learn on subjects like progressivism, health care, the economy, Pres. Obama and his administration, foreign policy, and so on.

    You do not have to agree with Mr. Beck if you see it differently. Many people agree with Mr. Beck, and that is great for them! Others do not, and that is fine too.

    Let us just realize that Mr. Beck is trying to get people involved in the process and to think for themselves in political matters.

    We have spent far too long just assuming our leaders had all the answers and just casting votes based on party. Most all of us would agree with Mr. Beck's assessment of the rampant corruption in federal government today.

  • anti-pc
    March 14, 2010 9:16 p.m.

    Advocates who call themselves "social justice Christians"???? Is this a joke? I've never heard more incompatible and contradictory terms. Social justice is by its very nature the imposition of force to take something from one and delegate it to another, in this case the government is that force. This directly contradicts everything in Christianity. There is no force in Chrisitianity. There is only free choice. In fact, Chrisitianity is the ultimate example of individualism- that is, every individual is rewarded exlusively for their work and cannot depend on anyone else save Christ. You can't be saved by the faith or works of others. It is purely individual. Social justice is the exact opposite. It is the redistribution of benefits or goods based on perceived injustice. It is forced; it has nothing to do with the free will. That is anti-Christian. And anyone we advocates such makes no sense. Social justice is more compatible with the Sharia law of Islam than the gospel of Christianity.

  • aa
    March 14, 2010 10:01 p.m.

    Do i go to my church or the government to find out what social justice owes me since it seems to be my "just" due from the rest of society.

  • Gimme a Break
    March 14, 2010 11:22 p.m.

    If you are tuning into Beck for anything other than a good laugh you have no judgment.

    Beck, Palin, Limbaugh, Hannity--why I left the Republican Party.


  • schmo
    March 15, 2010 1:20 a.m.

    Its nice to know that everyone has freedom of speech.
    I have it and everyone that has left a comment here has the same freedom. That includes Glen Beck.
    Love it? Hate it? Be thankful for it.
    Only when I hear it from Donny Osmond will I believe it. Chill out.

  • mark
    March 15, 2010 1:26 a.m.

    Anti-pc, what you are refering to as force most other rational people call taxes. Now we all know there are some things we don't like paying with our taxes but we adults recognize that taxes are how advanced societies function and if you don't like what the taxes pay for you can work through legislation to change it. But there is nothing inherently un-christen about taxes, especialy taxes that are used to help people. Did you put up a fuss about paying taxes to make weapons that kill people? Yet you complain when the taxes are to help people. Tell me again about your idea of Christianity.

    Also, no one forces you to pay taxes in the US of A, you pay them voluntarily. If you do not wish to pay them, you are free to leave. No one forces you to stay.

  • CharlieBrown2292
    March 15, 2010 3:05 a.m.

    Christians and people of other faiths believe that the Devil is only imitating what is good in order to lead people in the wrong direction. He will equate license with love, freedom of speech with pornography, and indeed "social or economic justice" with "Nazism or Communism." But those are only counterfeits of the real thing, and there is such a thing as the real thing. The principle of social and economic justice is divinely inspired, and Beck seems to have missed this significant nuance. He should go back to his scriptures and discuss matters with his Church leaders, then admit that he took the wrong shortcut by dealing only with the wrong side of the coin. Some apology and further explanation would indeed be a must.

  • CRS
    March 15, 2010 6:23 a.m.

    Who's Glen Beck?

  • @gimme a Break
    March 15, 2010 6:39 a.m.

    Haha I laugh in your face!!

    You are telling me you let these TV personalities who spout opinion change who you are??? You changed all of your views because of 4 humans with different opinions?? by the way, none of them (besides palin) are elected officials.They do not represent the Republican party. They all represent nothing other than their own opinions. You are nothing but a sheep. Not in control of your own beliefs. Looks like you are the one without judgement.

  • TR64
    March 15, 2010 8:49 a.m.

    So Beck's ideal is that our government, the one that is supposed to represent us in community and legal matters, be completely indifferent to injustices based on wealth, ethnicity, origin, culture, gender, age and so on?

    And, he would have our churches resolve the injustices connected with the above? To become involved as our advocate in legal, social and economic matters?

    What a bizarre world, a libertarian pipe-dream.

  • What a crock
    March 15, 2010 8:58 a.m.

    Beck never said we should not be just. He merly pointed out the fact that some of these phrases like social justice are being used to conceal the real agenda. Do you have to be a socialist or communist to be just? I don't think so. I'm sure Beck is all for REAL justice but not the kind being advocated by liberials(socialism and communism). It's kind of funny that we are blamed for being unjust if we are not in favor of socialism or communism. I don't get it, there are other options.

  • Gimme a break
    March 15, 2010 10:05 a.m.

    Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh's popularity among Republicans illustrate why so many Republicans were blind to Bush's failings and how far the Republican party has veered to the right. I mourn the loss of centrists like John Warner, Chuck Hagel, Lincoln Chaffee to name a few.

  • BoMsocialjustice
    March 15, 2010 10:18 a.m.

    And again Alma COMMANDED that the people of the church should impart of their substance, every one according to that which he had; if he have more abundantly he should impart more abundantly; and of him that had but little but little should be REQUIRED; and to him that had not should be given. (emphasis added)

    You have to get past 2nd Nephi, Mr. Beck. Alma is just using code words for SOCIAL JUSTICE!

  • You Go Brother....
    March 15, 2010 2:32 p.m.

    Glenn Beck for President! Can you imagine how entertaining the State of the Union speach would be each year! Break out the Chalk Board Baby.

  • JO
    March 15, 2010 2:52 p.m.

    The law of the harvest is simple:

    Those who can work and who do eat
    Those who can work and don't starve!

    I refuse to pay for tattoos, nose rings, abortions, health or any other such thing when it is a law. Take away poples ability for good and you will have evil.I do not want my good deeds mandated or supervised!

  • Caring for the poor
    March 15, 2010 3:09 p.m.

    Caring for the poor is not social justice. Justice refers to what is fair or deserved. If someone has been robbed, then it is just to give them what was taken. If they never earned it, it is just that they have what they earned and no more or less. If the poor are poor because they did not earn more, then that is just.

    Charity and caring for the poor is mercy, not justice. Mercy for the poor arises not by earning something but through the voluntary sacrifice of others who charitably give to the poor.

    Taxes are not voluntary sacrifices. "Social justice" is a political term for government-mandated theft to give to those who have not earned the same income as others. This is contrary to the Gospel of Jesus Christ (e.g., "Thou shalt NOT steal"). Receipt/possession of stolen goods is also a crime.

    Religious leaders should preach voluntary sacrifice by our free choice. Mercy is different from justice, and government-imposed redistribution of wealth (also read: injustice) is neither merciful nor just.

  • Anonymous
    March 15, 2010 4:33 p.m.

    I love Beck and he is correct. "Social Justice" is not spoken about in the scriptures as people use it. Get government out of the churches

  • Anonymous
    March 15, 2010 4:39 p.m.

    Glenn beck is the most opposite you can get from what President Monson teaches about love, compassion and helping others. Beck is a preacher of hatred and selfishness.

  • ...more from the Mad Hatter
    March 15, 2010 5:24 p.m.

    So what is it Beck-sters???

    One one hand you says the Government needs to stay out of "Social Justice" issues and it's better handled and addressed by churches....

    And then on the other hand -- Glenn Beck (and you nut-cakes that follow him) say members of those churches should leave "Churches" trying to address the issues.

    It makes no sense to me.
    I'll be waiting for a logical, well thought out response and answer....

    Thank You

  • Re: Dr Harry Mell
    March 15, 2010 6:13 p.m.

    The U.S. Government is NOT the Church, and not the one referred to in 4 Nephi. You cannot even compare the two! All things in common did not mean for the government to take over one sixth of its economy to force the have to provide for the have nots.
    There is no point in arguing these points.

    The law of Consecration has no place in government social justice. IT is the Constitution that is threatened here. Isn't anyone listening and seeing the comparable in the Book of Mormon times and our society today. The Constitution is at risk, and Obamacare is counter to it. Health care is a privilege and NOT a right. Clear and simple Anyone who wants something for nothing is gravely mislead, and misinformed. There is no such thing as a FREE LUNCH. Someone always pays. It would be better to have a flat tax rate for everyone than to have the rich pay for the poor. We are approaching the deficit to the maximum for it to NEVER be paid back. China is waiting for USA to fail. Then where are we? Own by them...this is serious business.

  • mark
    March 15, 2010 6:22 p.m.

    Interesting BofMsocialjustice, I'm not sure who Alma is, I think he is a character in the BofM, and it sounds like he is saying from each according to their abilities to each according to their needs. If it was good enough for Alma, if Alma thought it was a good system, why are there many Mormons that think systems like this are from the devil? Alma was one of the good guys, right?

    So you have Alma's system, and then you have, what was it called? The united order, I think, both socialistic sytems, both LDS. Then why are so many Mormons so against socialism, it sounds like it is what is in their heritage.

  • Dr. Harry Mell is right
    March 15, 2010 6:45 p.m.

    Our children and our grand-children are going to suffer at the expense of the selfish elderly who are afraid to die. Then we have the courages ones that put their lives on the line in combat - - and for what?

  • Will See!
    March 15, 2010 9:10 p.m.

    They laughed at Moses and they laughed at Hitler.

  • mark
    March 15, 2010 11:40 p.m.

    Who laughed at Moses and Hitler?

    Moses and Hitler?

  • James
    March 16, 2010 2:57 a.m.

    If my people...will humble themselves and pray, turn away form thier wicked ways and seek my face, I will hear from Heaven, I will forgive their sins and heal thier land. Glen Beck is an humble man of God. He loves his country and understands it's greatness is a direct result of it's Biblically principled Constitution. It is being threatened by proud, ambitious, power hungry self-serving individuals who have no intimate relationship with the Lord. Jesus spoke of such. They would decieve many but will be rewarded for thier deeds. There are many who have no idea of how unfaithful our leadership is in their stewarship. They believe we are in good hands and revile those who attempt to warn them of the grave danger we're in. The unconcerned and anti-right are greater in numbers. For the sake of a few righteous The Lord will preserve the nation. Glen Beck is one. Maybe there aren't enough others like him. If not, then God will render unto this nation His righteous judgement. We have departed from our God. We have murdered our unborn, worshiped false gods, justified the wicked and condedmned the just.

  • worthyaton
    March 16, 2010 8:18 a.m.

    Glenn Beck has clearly stated what he meant by the term "social justice". He was NOT referring to traditional "Christian charity" that's in the Bible. He clarified "social justice" to mean alignment with big government socialist programs, expanding an already bloated deficit, and forcing the redistribution of wealth. With that distinction, it's easy to see how utterly ridiculous it is to accuse Beck of being anti-Christian or of being an opponent to Christian values.

    Any church that uses religion as a political platform to further its own socialist or Marxist views is twisting Christian "social justice" into something that the Bible NEVER taught. Christ taught about choosing to help the individual, but He never endorsed government solutions to social problems. "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's." Churches should remain neutral on political matters.

    Reverend Wallis has twisted the Bible to fit his own socialist views. He calls it "the Biblical call to social justice" and advocates supporting big government programs to "fix" all our problems.

    Journalists are supposed to be fair and impartial using reliable and trustworthy sources. All this article did was to regurgitate gossip and declare Glenn Beck guilty until proven innocent.

  • G
    March 16, 2010 9:36 a.m.

    Every class that I've taken at Boise State University that ever mentioned "social justice" was also pro-revolution, pro-socialist, pro-communist anti-imperialism, anti-capitalist, anti-American, etc...you find it all the time in classes dealing with Latin American or gender studies, so yeah, "social justice" is coded words. My classes are laced throughout with these themes. You cant refute this, you can shout over this but you cant refute it.

  • twisted yootie
    March 16, 2010 12:21 p.m.

    re: You Go Brother.... | 2:32 p.m. March 15, 2010

    "Glenn Beck for President! Can you imagine how entertaining the State of the Union speach would be each year! Break out the Chalk Board Baby."

    I'd rather see Bronco Mendenhall in front of a chalkboard than Glennie.

    Mendenhall, dare I say, is credible & has a partial clue.

  • Anonymous
    March 16, 2010 12:41 p.m.

    Glen Beck...found a group of "followers" and is profiting by exploiting their laziness to think on their own. That's alright, having "followers", people that need others to think for them, makes this world grow. What a joke. When I read the scriptures, the Bible and the Book of Mormon, I don't get the feeling that Jesus and the Prophets talk like he does. Those guys did not say things that hurt others, they did not maliciouosly moved their hearts with the language they use. There is a difference, Glen is not someone to follow.

  • Pointless
    March 16, 2010 12:41 p.m.

    It's pointless to debate Beck if you all are still stuck on the invisible sky friend thing. Beck is a schlock jock and lots of people like schlock... I'll inhabit the other end of the bell curve, thank you.

  • Bambi
    March 16, 2010 2:06 p.m.

    It's time for Mr. Beck to stop his pandering to his supporters.....supporters meaning advertisers who pay his salary. Pundits will say whatever their advertisers tell them to say. He's pleasing the Corporations, not the people. He's fleecing the people. He's submitting his family to undue stress because of his paranoia and conspiracy theories. He is an entertainer..nothing more and nothing less...and a poor one at that, out to please the advertisers. Only it's backfired on him this time. Now watch him backpeddle.

  • Propaganda & Social Justice
    March 16, 2010 2:15 p.m.

    Glen Beck is correct that the Communists and the German Fascists exploited the people by pretending to espouse social justice as really a cover to gain power and impose a dictatorship; but history clearly teaches that their rise to power was accomplished through violence, murder, and physical intimidation of any and all opponents, which really is no social justice at all but just a play on words. The evil was not the pursuit of social justice, but pretending to do so via propaganda to deceive the masses to want to agree to follow them until it was too late.
    The phrase is just a misnomer; after all, the title on the Supreme Court building states "Equality and Justice for ALL."
    I find nothing wrong with social justice, but the phrase is so vague that you have to delve into the details what a specific group means when they state that to understand what they are asking for.
    Sometimes, it could be construed as a pursuit for a good and noble cause, other times a power grab, and maybe even for something that would harm society.

  • Just do what Glenn says
    March 16, 2010 3:44 p.m.

    If they say it on television, it must be true.

    Listen to Glenn Beck. Do not question anything. Let Glenn do all of your thinking for you.

    That is the orchard I live in.

    Boo-yah!

  • to G:
    March 16, 2010 7:53 p.m.

    So...you are pro-imperialism, pro-creationist, pro-patriarchy and so on? Why were you seeking higher education? Learning scientific method, critical thinking and modern (liberal) views on human equality and dignity (including women) just doesn't fit with the social order of yesteryear-I understand that. Perhaps someone will invent a time machine and conservatives can go back to Victorian society and before.

  • @...more from the mad hatter
    March 17, 2010 3:28 a.m.

    The point you misunderstood was that no one ever said that the churchs should take on "social Justice Issues."

    The point is that social justice, in other words social..ism. Is not what the bible teaches. The key in the arguement is free agency. If we no longer have the right to choose whether or not to give of our goods to feed the poor. It is no longer charity. It is socialism. Thats also why we laugh when you tell us that the bible teaches us to be socialist. As a matter of fact from the very beginning God told us otherwise. "by the sweat of thy face, shall you eat bread" thats in genesis. So please don't sit here trying to convince me through blog that my beliefs are hypocritical because of my other beliefs.

    By the way, where do you think all of the money the church is using in Haiti and Chile is coming from. I can tell you that some of it is coming from becks own pocket..Voluntarily...That is charity.(for a better definition of charity see 1st corinthians 13)

  • mark
    March 17, 2010 9:25 a.m.

    The status quo is not working for a large segment of our society. What do we do? Just accept that having people that fall through the ever widening gaps is acceptable? Perhaps, but just remember you might find yourself to be one of those people someday.

    Count on charity? It has not shown an ability to deal with the problem.

    Rely 100% on the free market? There will still be many falling through the cracks. Acceptable?

    A combination of free market and charity? I just do not see how this could work. The problem is to big. And do you really want to try that? Get rid of medicare and medicaid and CHIPs and all other government health care programs and hope charity picks up the slack?

    Madness.

    So what to do? There are examples of health care systems around the world that function far better then ours. Do you think maybe we should try to learn from them?

  • cabdriver
    March 17, 2010 10:31 a.m.

    I am amazed that so many people insult Glenn, yet not one person has so much as refuted one issue with fact if you don't have true to add to the equation what is your point

  • Theology major
    March 17, 2010 2:07 p.m.

    Lol beck fans are more easily led than megachurchers.

  • @mark and others
    March 17, 2010 2:10 p.m.

    You correctly stated the problem. These people are lacking health CARE not health insurance. The fact is that a majority of these people who are uninsured are between 18 and 35. They are healthy and have relatively little need for insurance. Providing all of them with health insurance is a waste of money.

    second, there are also a lot of uninsured who CAN afford insurance. That is also wasting money. Or raising taxes. Don't try and point out how people are not christian, or how people are un ethical because they love money more than other people. This has nothing to do with my own money because I can provide for myself and my family. But spending billions of dollars of money we don't have on a program that is not proven, when our economy is at its lowest point in decades, is not just irresponsible. its stupid. Even if you revert to the higher cause of saving lives. I don't question your motives so don't question mine.

  • @mark
    March 17, 2010 2:16 p.m.

    Give me facts. Give me one example of someone doing what you are proposing. Taking a market that is 1/8 of the economy of a country that is already in a huge financial crisis. Then chop that system for a new more "Socialized" system. Actually give me one example of a country that with a socialized health care system that has more than 30 million people. We have ten times more people than canada. We have 600 times more people than Denmark or Spain. Give me one example please. We are talking about a huge overhaul not just simple implementation. There are hundreds of thousands of people employed by this system that isn't working. This isn't a scab that needs to be ripped off, this is a delicate surgery that needs to be performed. poverty levels will go up I promise

  • Anonymous
    March 17, 2010 2:29 p.m.

    Beck claims to be Christian but his words are completely opposite of what Jesus taught.

  • Matt
    March 18, 2010 11:31 a.m.

    This is ridiculous. There are differing meanings on social justice. The writer of this story failed to be smart enough to realize that Glenn is talking about forced social justice. As in the government takes from the rich and gives to the poor. Redistribution of wealth, not voluntary social justice. The LDS church preaches that you should be self reliant. It also takes care of it's own in that respect. It does not preach that the government should force people to give up their money to those less fortunate. Jesus taught it the same way. The choice is personal, not a government choice. COME ON PEOPLE, is that so hard to see?

  • mark
    March 18, 2010 2:13 p.m.

    @mark and others|2:10 p.m. March 17, 2010

    When did I question your motives? You say you can provide for you and your family by yourself? Good for you that you have enough wealth that you can cover all health care costs yourself. So you don't have insurance, right? Also seeing as you are providing for your family all by yourself you are never going to make use of emergency services, right? You will never dial 911, right? After all you are providing all by yourself. Oh, another thing, stay off our roads. ( Our roads, not yours, ours: me and the other people that pay for them and realize that we really cannot provide for everything by ourselves in a modern community. )

    Of course you don't have to worry about that do you, you live in the remote jungles somewhere right, providing for yourself. Wait! Your on the Internet! Hypocrite, the Internet was developed using much government money. Some one else helped to provide it.

  • mark
    March 18, 2010 2:19 p.m.

    @mark|2:16 p.m. March 17, 2010

    Your post is almost not worth replying to. Why would you think the population of a country is pertinent? We are the wealthiest country in the world, our economy is the biggest, we have a huge GDP, our average wealth per person is far higher then other countries that provide single payer.

    You don't mind if I don't put any stock in your promises of the future do you?

  • Magnusius
    March 19, 2010 12:39 p.m.

    This has nothing to do with religion. What Beck is doing is using religion as the context to try to further his diatribe on his fanatical ideas that Obama is going to make us a socialist nation. He uses all the means possible: religion, health care, animal rights, etc. It is all in attempt to implant fear and hate toward the Obama administration. Beware of anyone with an agenda, the truth is never a priority.

  • Socialized Sandra
    March 19, 2010 5:59 p.m.

    Mr. Beck has lost his fundamentalist mind.

    Jesus fed the poor, blessed them and healed them. Churches seek to act as the Body of Christ, His hands, His heart and to do His will as best as imperfect humans can. Jesus spoke to the rich youg man and told him to "sell all you have and give it to the poor."
    Thats the message and very few hear it and that, at its core, is what social justice is about.
    We can make the kingdom of God at anytime by our own actions. Amen


  • ddell
    March 21, 2010 1:44 a.m.

    I'm glad to see that at least some LDS folks aren't complete right-wing ideologues. I'm sorry folks, but I just don't see Jesus on the side of Beck, and capitalism, and greed. Sorry...just don't see it. Forced or not, we all need to help take care of each other...if we did that...and didn't fight...wow...what a world we would have. Maybe someday.

  • Jason
    March 26, 2010 12:24 a.m.

    People really don't understand what he was trying to say. Listen to an entire show and you will understand that Glenn Beck supports true Christianity, he speaks the truth, no matter how unpopular.
    I am a life long Mormon and I can say in all truthfulness that Beck's beliefs mirror those of the church's and what it stands for. Maybe all members do not agree but they would if they did their research.

  • Anonymous
    March 26, 2010 2:24 a.m.

    Humility... Beck is an Actor like other Republican Presidents are.... He doesnt believe anything he says just like other Republican'ts.

  • Anonymous
    March 26, 2010 3:06 a.m.

    i think Glenn Beck was refering to what our founding fathers said
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." -- Thomas Jefferson

  • Larry Holmes
    March 27, 2010 7:09 a.m.

    I am quite surprised by what many are saying here.
    One of the terrible problems with almost ALL public comment "these days", coming from politicians etc., is that there is an excessive focus on a particular word or statement's meaning, as understood by the listener, without first referring back to the context of the comment to learn what the speaker meant by his comments. That is, the listener seems to accept his/her definition of a word or comment without a thought to what the speaker meant to say. This leads to constant bickering, criticism, and long strings of misunderstanding which can grow to monstrous proportions.
    Glenn Beck defined what he meant by "social justice" etc. prior to his comments. I watched that show and understood what he meant. He did NOT mean "if they use the phrase' social justice' anywhere at all, quit". He could have been more clear in his comment, but, there is no doubt in my mind that he meant that use of "social justice" CAN mean danger, and should be feared if used in the manner he previously defined.not just the words, but what he earlier defined.

  • Beck not Republican
    March 27, 2010 7:44 a.m.

    Some of you are letting your Democrat beliefs slip through!

    You should quit grouping Beck in with Republicans. He can be as critical of Republicans as of Democrats. In fact, what is being demonstrated here is what he is trying to get everyone to realize. Too many are "choosing sides", then basing their belief, and what they believe, on the characterization of one party by the other. Democrats see Republicans as all "right wing" republicans with a strictly defined set of beliefs; Republicans do likewise to Democrats. Most of the time, when I see Dems. and Repubs. disagreeing on TV, they are arguing against the general party lines no matter how specific the issue, instead of each individual listening to the other's statements and replying to those. Both parties can be as bad. In this case, the Democrats go to great lengths to get you to believe G Beck is a republican and therefore...... he defines himself as "conservative", which is not identical to "Republican". I don't belong to either party either, for the same reasons. Neither party represents my needs and beliefs at all, just their beliefs and needs.

  • Here is is
    March 27, 2010 8:30 a.m.

    I will attempt to outline what Beck meant: (1)In the past, evil men have perverted words for their own benefit. One method is to use a word or phrase which defines a good thing, as the description of something evil, and people will believe you are doing the good thing represented by the phrase, even though you are doing evil, which you think you should be able to do. (2)Men with evil designs in all countries have done this extensively in the past. (3)One example is "social justice". The common understanding is this means having a just society, but, it can be used to deceive people by representing "forced redistribution of wealth". (4) If your church uses the phrase to describe its doctrines, etc., you' better be suspicious until you can determine what they mean by it; if it means forced redistribution, run! (5) His main "target" is the progressive movements of the 20th Century til now, including present day progressives such as Obama and most Democrats (they call themselves progressives; conservatives did not coin the term). The comment about churches etc. was an FYI which he should have explained better.

  • Bart
    March 27, 2010 9:17 a.m.

    Glen Beck has absolutely no redeeming values at all. I tire of reading those on these posts who assume they know what Beck meant when he says something. Point is, he has a serious case of hoof in mouth disease. I wouldn't trust him for absolutely anything.

  • Anonymous
    March 27, 2010 9:18 a.m.

    Will Beck be at the flag burning in Provo in July?

  • David
    March 28, 2010 9:24 p.m.

    I believe in the foundations of what Glenn Beck has to say, but i do not agree with how he says it. We must, as latter-day saints, have patience and long-suffering with those that do not yet fully understand truth. Glenn Beck is popular, yes, and this is due to his being in touch with basic American principles, as well as his provocative attitude, but imagine what good would happen if he took the truths he is broadcasting to America, and used diplomatic words to convey the same message. So long as Glenn Beck uses degenerate name calling and labeling (even if it is accurate), his adversaries will always have reason to ignore what he says. I think he's a great man at heart, he just alienates those that don't fully understand the underlying principles of liberty.

  • Peggi
    March 30, 2010 4:12 a.m.

    Glenn Beck stands for TRUTH!! If you would listen to him carefully you could figure this out. Instead of listening to him with negativity, at least have an open mind and listen to what he is really saying. Perhaps you would hear what he truly stands for.

    Glenn is a very intelligent man with incredible compassion and insight. He does his research well and thoroughly, Everything he says and presents is backed by the FACTS !!
    His unique personality draws people to listen to the facts he presents. Do your homework, research, "seek and you will find".

    God is calling the leaders of America for ACCOUNTABILITY and so are the people, who need them to have integrity, strength, and honesty, doing what is right no matter what the cost. That's what they said they would do and what they were elected to do. After all,they work first of all for God and then for us.

    This is what I hear Glenn Beck speaking out for. And we should stand with him. Read all of the comments from others and consider, what is the Truth.

  • free
    April 5, 2010 4:45 p.m.

    you got it peg, but people are like sheep. they dont want to do the homework. they get on one side and want to be told what to believe. it's like dont bother me with the facts my mind is made up! i.e. global warming, new lightbulbs, president obama is surrounded by socialists, oh no wait he is.

  • Founders-Hope
    April 8, 2010 12:01 p.m.

    As a Bible believing Christian, and a friend of Christians from many churches, I hear much concern about the growing power of government in our beloved country. I do not know one Christian who believes in Marxism, and the Communistic philosophy of "social justice" imposed by government! God deals with persons as individuals. God encourages personal charitable volunteerism, and compassion for those who are suffering. He also teaches hard work, integrity, & personal responsibility!

  • Betty
    April 9, 2010 2:12 a.m.

    Confused about whether Glenn Beck speaks the truth? Find the answer--on your knees, humbled before God.

  • Re: Ken Goddard
    April 9, 2010 5:27 a.m.

    Sure, Ken, there have been a lot of evil people who have used religion to do evil, but there has been a lot of good come from religion, too.

    All we have to do is look back a few years to see the harm that non-religious regimes have caused. Millions upon Millions were slaughtered or starved in the Nazi, Stalinist, and Pol Pot regimes. To this day the tribal areas of some third-world countries the tribes slaughter each other. So yeah, perhaps some evil has come about because of religion, but a lot more evil would exist if there were no religion at all.

  • THEDEAN
    June 19, 2010 7:44 p.m.

    I hear a lot of "conservatives" decry liberalism and communism but you need to educate people. It's historical fact that "jews" founded communism, socialism, and liberalism. Once again, it's historical fact. Marx, Lenin, and Trotsky were all "jews". This was common knowledge around the turn of the century. That's why when Hitler outlawed communism, he outlawed "jews" at the same time. If you censor this basic truth, your motives and organization are suspect. I'll return to see if my post is intact. And if my user account has been deleted. God bless.