Garn is a very decent man. Mistakes that long ago need to be forgiven. I for
one don't expect public servants to be perfect.
D. news kept quiet!! Can they ever be trusted again? Garn and Killpack what a
Since the girl broke the terms of the agreement, does she have to return the
money? She can't have it both ways.
How many of us have done things we later regretted?Everyone raise
your hands ... come on now, be truthful.Now then, let's move on and
worry about the things that affect us now.Just one more thing, he
needs to get his money back ... plus interest.
25 years is a long time ago. I say they need to put the girl in the clink for
blackmale. She needs more money so here she is again. lets all move on -
Its good to see a man willing to admit a past flaw. Rep. Garn is good man. He
has worked long and hard to see that his constituents in Layton are well
represented. And in all honesty, I am actually glad that the Deseret News acted
with integrity in leaving a "story" that wasn't much of story alone. Rep. Garn
had acted in good faith and was straightforward in his actions then, and he is
doing so now. I look forward to voting for Garn again.
The D. News is not and should not be part of the sensational tabloid crowd.
Once Garn lost in the primaries, what purpose would be served to let "disgusted"
in on the story? I for one am just as interested in knowing the backgrounds and
values of those who express such outrage and righteous indignaton at some of
these events. I am betting that their lives, under a microscope, would not be
as pure as they pretend. In so many ways, Garn is a man to be
respected. Mistakes happen, even stupid mistakes. Garn has and will continue
to pay a price for his error in judgement. It is NOT our role to exact that
price, except to potentially without our vote at the ballot box. Figue out if
the 2010 version of Garn is worthy of your vote and leave the rest of it
alone.Good luck Kevin. Thanks to the D-news for not resorting to the
tactics of the grocery story tabloids. I don't need to know everything.
Everyone makes mistakes. Some more than others. Some mistakes are doozies. On
the doozie scale, this one (28 year old ought to know better) with a 15 year old
-- is a doozie. But after so many years, time to move on. I'm glad to see that
the Deseret News acted in a thoughtful and responsible manner. So many press
operations today do slash and burn regardless of whose lives they ruin in the
process. Journalism and ethics (not an oxymoron) should go together and editors
make weighted judgement about the public value of private information, the
impact on innocent family members, etc. More interesting question is, would
Deseret News have run the story AFTER the Republican primary? Would have likely
handed the election to the Democrat candidate, depending on the timing. This is
Of course she is haunted. What do you expect?Haunted for extorting
$150,000 for something that was clearly as much her fault as his.Haunted for failing to keep her promise in exchange for the $150,000.
I don't personally know Kevin Garn and the type of person he is. And obviously I
don't know the women either, but it sounds as though she spent the 150k and
probably was coming back to get some more money and Garn decided he was not
going to pay anymore. Good for him that he said no and was willing to take a
stand and suffer the consequences of a poor decision he made long ago. I am just
glad the indiscretions of my past are not under the same public
I wonder if she is now going to pay back the hush money?
"I did not have sex with that woman!" Heard that before?
He belongs in prison. She was a child.
She waited to go public for long enough that she couldn't be prosecuted for
While I agree that this shouldn't be a big story since it was a stupid mistake a
long time ago, why is Garn being treated like a hero by his colleagues for
"telling the truth" when he only came forward because his indiscrection was
about to be revealed anyway? Again, I don't necessarily blame him for not
coming forward earlier since it's a personal issue and hopefully he's changed
(we are all too quick to judge and we've all done stupid things), but don't
treat him like a hero either.
"He that lives by the sword shall die by the sword." Garn has voted on laws
that eliminate the statute of limitations for child abuse. He.himself, has
helped pass laws dealing with child abusers - there is no forgiveness in the
eyes of the law. If the county attorney doesn't file charges, then that is also
a criminal offence. He needs to be fingerprinted and put on the sex offender
registry he helped create for people like him.
So, Garn opted NOT to reveal this in 2002 because he was "scared" of being
publicly judged. You don't suppose it had anything to do with the fact that he
was running for Congress and feared it would cost him votes, do you? I wonder
if the House Republican leaders would drape their arms around a Democratic
colleague who suffered the same fate. Or worse yet, a non-LDS Democrat, or a
non-LDS gay Democrat? These guys are so phony.
He got naked, got into a hot tub with a naked girl 1/2 his age, and didn't touch
her and she didn't touch him? This sounds like a former U.S. president saying,
"I did not have sex with that woman." This had better be investigated by the
police and charges filed just like would happen for a democrat who did it.
I don't like Garn, but it sure looks like the real news is not so much the stain
of a decades old incident, but rather that there was extortion that resulted.How about some more investigation on the woman's other actions. If Garn resigns from politics for good, it would not bother me. If he
stays, it would not bother me.
Not just "a mistake"; the man is a pedophile. It was against the law then and
against the law now.
What bothers me is not that he did the hot tub thing as a young man. It is 1.
Paying hush money instead of caving to blackmail, all to protect a state
legislative career, and 2. the moralistic attitude of the GOP, while at the same
time engaged in shady behavior either present or past. Is this our version of
South Carolina? Utahns have seen plenty of GOP hypocrisy. It would be a good
and correct thing to vote Democratic and restore balance. The GOP leadership is
arrogant and untouchable, and they know it.
If lawyers were involved, this shouldn't have happened. If I were Garn, I would
sue her to recover the money he paid for her confidentiality.This is
why you should never settle blackmail cases.
To help with the healing, he needs to go back and sue the now "adult" woman for
the "silence" $$ and make her pay the money back since she broke her word, as an
adult. Just sayin'. And I would write an article to the lady's local newspaper
in NH about how she extorted $$ from him and the "demanded" $$ for her silence
and how she broke her word. It matters what happened, and it matters that she
broke her word. 20+ years ago.....come on folks.....20+ years ago. Kevin, you
keep on truckin' and continue to believe in yourself and your family. I do not
know you but you seem to have very good people surrounding you which leads me to
believe that you are "good people".
Would any of us want our worst mistakes published in the paper?....not me! Thank
heavens for repentance and forgiveness.
and people who think they will make a one time payment and be done with it are
deluding themselves. It is interesting that at the same time our society becomes
more permissive, things like this become bigger political issues. We're talking,
it is claimed, a one time incident in 1985. If that is indeed the case, this
doesn't seem to be a big deal.
Maybe now he and his buddies will stop wagging their fingers at everyone else
who doesn't live the life they think we all should lead. I'm sure
there's more to this story that will surface.
...the outcry would be deafening.A Utah GOP politician does it and
it leads to a standing ovation.The insularity of our One Party Rule
is stunningly toxic and dysfunctional, but I would bet my house it will remain
for the next 20 years, easily.I predict a second version of the
"Strengthening Democracy Commission" as a nauseated public turns further
I've known Mr. Garn for nearly thirty years. He is a very selfless and kind
man. He is a man of great integrity and compassion. Most would have ignored
what happened and said nothing and let things pass over. There was a time in my
life that he helped and gave me great compassion. Yes, he admitted to a mistake
yet his service of love is so much larger.
I am not hearing that the public and Deseret News understand the gravity of this
situation. A little quick math shows us that "nearly half my age" when he was 28
means that the girl was 14, or maybe 15 or 16. The fact that he did not actually
state her age clearly indicates that she was in fact a minor (or else he would
have unequivocally stated her age). Why would you get into a hot tub with a 14-
or 15- year old unless you were sexually attracted to them? Even if there was no
sexual contact, this guy intentionally put himself into a situation where it
became much more likely. In the English language, we have a word for this:
"sexual predator". Is there any doubt that he would have been prosecuted if the
police had come upon him during this encounter? And yet we're being asked to
look the other way because it happened "so long ago". Even the woman is being
called "unbalanced"...maybe that's because an older guy preyed on her when she
I think it might surprise most people of they were privy to the errors most
people have made in moments of weakness. Certainly if our own lives were up for
minute examination, very few would come out perfectly clean.Congratulations to Mr. Garn for admitting a mistake and trying to move
forward, having learned a difficult lesson and impacted those most dear to him
with a day of poor judgement. It would be nice if all those who wish to cast
stones would purify their own lives first.
Before any of you "cast the first stone," consider your own youthful (or mature)
indiscretions. I personally hope Garn sues this woman into bankruptcy.
I don't know anything about Garn, but kudos to him for coming clean in the way
that he did. He didn't make excuses, and he's clearly ashamed. I'm actually
impressed as well with the way the Deseret News handled the incident--keeping
their word with Garn, and not publishing something that happened a quarter of a
century ago because they knew it would have an impact on the race yet was of
very little news value. I hope Garn continues to serve.
Will Garn be on the sexual predator list?
I am saddened by this. I have known Kevin for a long time and I believe him to
be a good man. He has been a champion for ethics reform and has represented
those of us who live in his district well. While he obviously made a mistake
years ago I hope people will be willing to look at all the good he has done
since this indiscretion and continue to support him. He is one of the few
really great leaders we have in Utah.
If we demand perfection from our leaders, we will have very few of them. That
said, this was a very serious incidentthat resulted from spur of the moment
extremely poor judgement. Time is the best indicator of remorse. He seems to
have been innocent since, let's move on.
Um, "Disgusted," I used to work for a newspaper outside of Utah. Actually, it's
fairly standard practice for a paper to sit on a story when the allegations are
highly damaging yet largely unproven and there would be little public good done
by releasing it. If we'd released every rumor we heard about, we'd have been
called the National Enquirer. Newspapers do their best to use common sense and
good judgment, too. If they DIDN'T, the question you ask would be 100% valid.
For once, it appears a news organization did the right thing. Perhaps you should
only read the National Enquirer for your news. Do you not have
mistakes in your distant past that you have done everything possible to repent
of? I believe, like the Deseret News, that this man did enough to put this
behind him. Why would you choose to bring this up when he has repented and it is
not relevant today?I live in Georgia and have never even heard of
Kevin Garn before noticing this article so I am as unbiased as can be. I only
read this article because I had the chance to meet Jake Garn once 30 years ago
and this headline caught my attention and I wondered if this was his son.Since you are apparently without sin, I guess you have the right to cast
the first stone at him.
How many other stories is the Deseret News sitting on, to protect the myth that
Utah's political and religious leaders are all squeaky clean?
As a longtime DNews reader and former journalist I say Garn is not the only one
who made a mistake and should have known better. The DNews clearly was wrong not
to report the story.What happened to a commitment to journalism?
DNews, did you ever consider your responsibility to your readers, to voters?
What business are you in? Protecting those in power who engage in conduct that
is clearly inappropriate?You failed to meet the most basic
journalistic standards here. Your top editors owe your readers a public mea
culpa just like Garn delivered.The credibility and reputation of a
once fine newspaper slips a few more notches. It's sad to watch.Now
DNews, surprise me by posting this critical comment!
The big mistake was not made in the hot tub. It occurred when this slimy
politician thought he could buy silence. It's nice he recognizes the mistake 8
years later, but he should resign for trying to cover it up. This guy's no
different than Richard Nixon.
When these kind of things happen I think of the story in the New Testament about
the woman, caught inadultery, who the Jews were going to stone and how Christ
said, "he who is without sin cast the first stone". My own feelings are the
same. Having said this, I truly believe that the cases, like this, which come
to light represent a small fraction of the overall incidents of immorality among
us. IOW, it is likely that many, many, good upstanding men (and women) are
engaging in similar bad conduct but we just don't find out about it. People who
we would never think would do such things are likely doing such things.
Examples, abound, we can all think of them, Seminary principles, bishops, stake
presidents and others have all been found to be fallible in this sense. We
should be under no illusions about anyone, we are all vulnerable to such
This is a national disgrace to American politics and a insult to the state of
Utah. The Desert News covered up the story and kept the information from voters
who had the right to know in making their selection. The newspaper should be
censored and put on probation, and answer the question: did the newspaper bury
the story because Mr. Garn is republican and Mormon, would it have been
different otherwise, was the church involved in this at all.
Wow! I am really impressed with the forgiving nature of the DN readers. 25
years is a long time, that's for sure. Though, 2002 isn't that long ago.
Certainly their were laws broken. Certainly there were serious moral lapses.
Why am I not convinced the reaction would be the same if the politician was a
Democrat, or not a white Mormon son of an important Utah family? If he had gone
to trial 25 years ago and convicted, he would be a convicted pedophile. He
would have had to report his movements as a convicted sex offender. He has
admitted to a crime against a child. Why are we so quick to pat this guy on the
back and say "all is forgiven?" I believe that he should be forgiven, but the
"law and order, a-crime-is-a-crime" crowd just made an about-face that makes my
Wait a second here. If this guy had been busted for having a nude picture of
this girl on his computer he'd be thrown in jail. But he goes hot-tubbing in the
nude with her and everyone says "Aw, it's okay pal, thanks for owning up to
it."What's the statute of limitations? What sexually predatory
crimes were committed? Will he be entered into the sexual predator database?Or are we just going to call it good because he's a Republican?
When David Clark (R-Santa Clara) declares his unfettered support for a married
man that got naked in a hot tub with a minor, then years later pays a bribe to
keep it quite... it's time for both men to leave state government!
Another Mormon Republican caught with his pants down, so to speak.
What is there about a job that pays 10,000 that makes it worth 150,000 to keep
it? And why is it (when there is a problem) the solution to political types
always seems to be - throw money at it.
Nice to defend Garn- wonder if this had been a prominant Dem.(local or
national)how much love he/she would be shown- he was 28- not a youthful
indiscretion- then when running for Congress he agrees to extortion and pays a
sum of cash that most could not pay- so when he is much older he is still
showing poor judgement that is just as selfish as the first act- where is the
integrity in all of this- and remember he is the one that has put himself out in
the public eye as an outstanding guy we should support- this is of his own
making and speaks to his overall character- he was old enough both times to know
better- makes you wonder what else is out there from this fine public servants-
and we wonder why these people so oppose ethics reform and claim we do not need
it here in Utah where we can trust our public servants becasue they have a
"covenant" relationships with "we the people" Give me a break- hope his life is
in order but as a "public" servant" he deserves any level of cristicism he gets
The good thing about this is there is no more haunting in his life. This was 25
years ago, no allegations of sexual contact just horrible judgement. And she
basically settled the claim for $150,000. Now that this is open both of their
personal healings can begin. Like a confession.What is the age to be
married in Utah? Is it still 14?
Something tells me that if a Democrat was in the same position, there would be
much less forgiveness among both the Legislature and this comment board.
First problem was getting into that hot tub, second was paying extortion money.
If "nothing happened," and the girl hasn't said that it did, it was stupid, but
was it criminal? Was it contributing to the delinguency of a minor? Hard to say
after 25 years. Certainly it wasn't a send-him-to-prison offense if no sexual
contact occurred. It's just hard for people to accept that under the
circumstances. Not unheard of, but hard to accept.
I can't get over how many people are okay, no matter how long ago it happened,
with what took place between a grown man and a teenager. Since moving to Utah
I've seen the stories from Lone Peak High School to this and each time people
are quick to point out how great the person was/is and make the teenagers out to
be the bad people. Is this a Utah thing, condoning this kind of behavior? I
can't think of another state that I've been in where people talk about how great
these kinds of people are.Maybe somebody could explain to me why so
many people are so quick to protect this guy and his image when what he did was
so horrible. Hopefully the rest of the posts will prove me wrong.
A 30 year old man exposing himself to a 15 year old has committed a crime. No excuses.
It is pedophilia to see a young woman naked?Where but in Utah? Garn is
probably a hypocrite who would hang an opponent out to dry for this same kind of
contact, but that is the worst you can say about him.
If a Democrat did something "wrong" it wouldn't be a story. Only Republican
indiscretions get reported in Utah by the media so that everyone can scream
about hypocrisy. There's no hypocrisy if your morals are so unclear that you
can't break them- very convenient Dems. Human nature is human nature and people
in both parties make mistakes and poor choices. It's the reporters who control
what gets broadcast to the world and those in Utah choose to pick on
Republicans. Of course, there are more of them to pick on here, but that
doesn't mean there aren't stories that could be told about Democrats.
Unless she's lived as a nun in a convent since that night I doubt very much that
she's haunted by a hot tubbing encounter that happened 28 years ago where no
sexual contact occurred. Come on! That's not believable. As to Rep. Garn,
we're all tempted and make mistakes. There's a difference between a once in a
lifetime incident and repeated bad behavior.
This is wrong on so many levels. Interesting how forgiving
the "law and order" crowd is on this. Change the names, and they'd be calling
for prison time for both the perpetrator and the news people who made the
Who of us hasn't made a poor decision in our lives? I know I have, and I
continue making mistakes. I can forgive Garn and I hope others will also. I have a hard time believing that he forced this girl, who was 15 at the time
to taking off her clothes and getting in the hot tub. She knew what she was
doing just as much as he did.
The story sounds fishy. If the only thing that happened was that they were both
naked in a hot tub, why would this girl be "haunted" by the whole thing?
Doesn't add up one bit. If you are going to come clean you might as well come
all the way clean.
...the folks writing here that are supporting this man (that committed a crime)
are writing things eerily similar to some of the things that were said by the
supporters of the late Ted Kennedy. please don't use the straw man arguement
that the actions of the 2 had different severity levels and consequences. A
crime is a crime, right all of you illigal immigrant haters? Ah when the shoe is
on the other foot...
25 years ago. $150,000 paid in extortion. No sexual contact. Let it go. The
only person causing this girl problems is herself. If she wants to get over it,
don't bring it up. I'm glad it is out in the open - no more blackmail.
To all out there saying go after her for the money- two things you might
consider- 1- she was a minor when this happened so this leads to number 2- do
you think it is Garns best interest publically and personally to keep this issue
alive by going after money he paid someone that was a minor at the time to get
naked with him in a hot tub and then years later while running for higher office
he paid to keep it quite- from a prof. PR perspective- say thank you and walk
away and do nothing to keep this in the news one minute longer and chalk up the
150k as an expensive lesson
If they didn't have sex were any laws broken?Although he did
something that is certainly wrong from a moral standpoint, it looks to me like
he is doing the right things now to try to take care of it.And one
more thing... I'm 26, which is close to 28. There are some very old and mature
looking 16 year olds out there. I'm not saying I'd get in a hot tub situation
with one of them, I just want to point out that at age 28, "nearly half my age"
isn't necessarily as nasty as it sounds. I know lots of people who are married
with a 10 year age gap. Once women reach the "magical" age of 18, suddenly
there's no issue.And another thing... if he did break the law, he
should be prosecuted. That's all I have to say.
I think this is a shameless plug to promote the new movie "Hot Tub Time Machine"
coming out later this month.
My only question is "WAS HE MARRIED AT THE TIME?"
This party uses Christians and their principles to cheat the American people of
basic needs, all the while breaking the same rules. The hypocrisy and
anti-Americanism is deafening.
"I don't know the man you speak of, but I know the man I consider a friend, a
leader and an asset to the state of Utah,"When I read this, I almost
shed a tear. then I realized, this person is one of the people on the "Hill"
that tell smokers how much to smokers, Drinkers how much to drink, and educators
how to educate.I guess pride goes before the fall. The
rest of you people that love to say the old stone thing, theese legislators
spend all day, legislating morality, and throwing stones.Maybe our
legislators, with their false indination, and prideful ways, will consider a
little compassion towards others during the next session. Maybe the Garns could
get back that $150K and use that to help assure that our teachers live above
poverty levels, or to help with the gang issues some of our inner cities are
He's a coward who only after hearing he was going to be exposed for getting
naked in a hot with a 15 year old girl! who worked for him! when he was 28!
plenty old enough to know better.She earned the money, because he was
selfish enough (and stupid enough) to try and pay off someone blackmailing him
to protect a facade of who he represented to the public, a Front put up to sell
a candidate.Then as a bonus the DN covers it up because he's one of
theirs.15 years old being taken advantage of by her boss. Hero huh
Ahhh yes, more of the famous GOP morals.Can't we all agree now that
it doesn't matter whether you're D or R, both parties do horrific things
Something that happens at age 28 is not a youthful indisgression. Youthfull
indisgressions happen when you are 16 or 17. Garn just blew his credibility
even though it happened many years ago.Garn needs to resign,
regardless.The now adult girl was paid hush money a few years ago.
She should be prosecuted for extortion.
This has my head spinning. The D-News decides to keep this quiet? They knew
about this 2002? Did they know that he was paying money to the women to keep
this quiet? Isn't that extremely relevant? Maybe Garn can't see he's being
blackmailed which can certainly compromise his work but I would hope the editors
of this paper would realize that.
did not get into any nude HOT TUBS! until I was in college with other college
students. This did happen a long time ago and she sounds like a money hound .
The public can decide to vote for this man or not next time he is up.
This is a major scandal and cover up that must be investigated by the Department
of Justice to protect the integrity of the democratic system of government and
restore trust to the voters.
Those of you writing this off as a youthful indescretion apparently had much
wilder lives in your youth than I did. Also, I didn't know that teen stupidity
was allowed to extend into your late 20s. Sex crime against a minor,
plain and simple. Being a nice guy and a Republican doesn't erase that.
It's troubling that my representative David Clark (R-Santa Clara) gives
unfettered support to a man that...1. got naked in a hot-tub with a minor,
and... 2. paid hush money to keep it quiet. Is this the best
that we can do for leaders?
I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the general response to this. If
Garn was a Democrat, and the newspaper was the Trib, I guarantee that people on
here would be rounding up a lynch mob.How revealing that few people
on here are calling for this "30 year old boss" who had a sexual encounter
(check the law) with a "15 year subordinate" to register as a sex offender.
Instead, he's getting a hero's reception for confessing to the incident only
AFTER the victim came forward again.Very revealing.
Some people need some heavenly guidence and here is some."All have sinned
and come short of the glory of God""Repent and your sins will be as clear
as the white of snow"We have some residents of 'comments' on here
who have an axe to grind and their comments are not Christian.
I cant believe people are praising him! He is a pedophile who paid to cover this
story up for 10 years, then finally came clean when the shady deseret news
decided to break the story. I Cant believe colleagues applauded him, this man
questioned the need for ethics reform by mocking Utah's For Ethical Government,
the fact is he has been lying to voters, the media, his colleagues! The session
started with a closet drunk and now ends with a closet pedophile. you have got
to be kidding me.
I'm fine if Garn's friends want to voice their support in private.But to see a fellow public servant voice official support for this liar makes
them seem like a club of good-ol-boys.Forgiveness? Yes.Personal forgiveness on the floor of the people's house? No. There he should
be roundly condemned.
awe come on everyone. i don't throw stones, but this is another example of
hiding the truth at the time it wouled hurt him most......election time. yes we
all make mistakes, and forgiveness is paramount. But for elected
representatives, they should be open at the time of this type of thing. they
are NOT above the moral preaching they dish out to the rest of us. he fessed up
25 years later because he had to. what was he doing in that hot tub? blowing
Only in Utah. Reading these comments disgusts me. The Deseret News hid a CRIME,
a CRIME against a child because the preditor was a powerful Mormon politician.
If it were Joe Non-LDS/brown man down the street you would want him castorated
and put on a the preditor list for assaulting a young mormon girl. Your "Family
Values" are filthy.
25 years is a long time ago, 15 yr old girl hmmmmm, 100,000 20 odd years later
hmmmmmm, thats alot of money for a skinny dip. Should of just owned up then.
Hope thats all there was to it if not then we are back to a round of tiger.
Dude's in the hot tub w/ a young hottie and NO SEX?THIS, my fellow
citizens, is what's wrong in the State House!
Give him a break. It's been 25 years!
Just remember your old buddy Slick Willy. LDS Republicans will never top that
According to the Standard Examiner article, the woman says there was more to
this than just hot tubbing. I don't know what the truth is, but I'm surprised
the Deseret News didn't talk to the woman before publishing the article, in
order to present both sides. I am not without sin. I'm also not a
leader in our state's house of representatives.
I agree with "he that lives by the sword dies by the sword." The child abuse
laws are ridiculous.
Evidently extortion pays. She got paid $150,000 (pretty pricey to not talk
about a dip in a hot tub) and got to talk to the media about it and ruin his
reputation to boot. Seems like she got her cake and ate it too.I
don't approve of the man's extortion payment OR the hot tub incident, but two
willing parties were involved, is there no accountablity for the other party
involved? Nobody forced the girl involved into the tub, or forced her to demand
the money, or forced her to then go to the press to see what more she could get
out of this incident that happend so many years ago.How could it
still be haunting her this many years later? I mean what was so traumatic about
it? She sat in a hot tub with a naked guy?
Morals and family values, in action..
Everyone is human and prone to mistakes.Not everyone claims to have
the moral authority to be a public leader, however.Nor do most of
our, ahem, "youthful indiscretions" involve children. I don't think Mr. Garn is
some sort of child predator, but all of you in the "forgive and forget" must not
be parents.All that being said: 14 year old girls who fool around
with 28 year old men often grow up to be blackmailling gold-diggers.
If a non-Mormon Democrat admitted this, would the applause have been so
thunderous and the tears so flowing? Hypocrites.
"Certainly it wasn't a send-him-to-prison offense if no sexual contact
occurred."Whaaaaah?He'd be thrown in jail if he had a
nude picture of a 14 year old on his computer, but if he sees the same thing in
person he gets off with a slap on the hand and some public brow-furrowing?
Wow! 25 years ago. Who cares!
First of all, she needs to give the money back. If she expects him to confess
to all his sins in public and remain on the chopping block, she needs to confess
hers and give the money back.Secondly, I would hope that I don't
have to stand at a jury and discuss everything I have done wrong. I would hope
that I could go through the forgiveness process, never do it again, and have all
of you forget it just like the Savior forgets it! If not, we all need to be
Hate the sin, love the sinner?or how do you guys phrase it?It's ok for people to break teen's lives, whether it is today, yesterday, a
year ago, 10 or 20 --- it's breaking the law....Is morality not
I can't believe people are defending him, calling him a hero, and turning the
victim of this into the bad guy. You're just as disgusting as he is!
Everyone wants to to make mountains out of molehills. Give it up. Move on.I hope that now it is public he will stop worrying about it.The TRUTH will set you FREE!!!!
If there were term limits, he would have been out of politics years ago, and no
one would care about this.The girl extorted this man out of a huge
sum of money. If she was traumatized shouldn't she be getting help from
therapists rather than going to newspapers and publishing how embarrased she is?
Doesn't make sense to go public....Either way creepy situation all around.
Forgiveness is one thing but there is more to this story that needs to come out.
It truly was extortion and could easily have been reported to the police. I
believe that the authorities in 2002 would have sided with Garn. It will be
interesting to hear the other side of the story now that it has come out
publicly. I'll reserve final judgement till all of the facts are out.
Reminds me of a certain Person who says he didn't inhale. lol Same thing. If
you did something stupid when you where young then move past it. I really don't
think that woman was haunted her whole life from a single naked hot tub
session. If she was then she has emotional issues that don't stem from one
I applaud Garn's finally coming forward. But I do not applaud that he came
forward only under threat of exposure, that he covered a very serious crime for
25 years, that he claims he was "scared" and trying to make "amends" by paying
hush money (which one might call witness tampering), that he accepted posts as
lawmaker and leader and ethics committee member knowing he had violated very
serious laws, and that he sexually abused a child and harmed his wife, his
family, and Utah . . . And I especially do not applaud a congressional
leadership that ignores the federal and state crimes, the coverups, the lies,
the hush money . . . and Applauds the man who did those things! Does congress
and its leadership really not get what this man did? Ivory tower. Old boys'
club. Back room deals. Corruption. Power. Prestige. We need not throw the first
stone. We need only follow ancient and modern scriptures and ethics. We should
have full investigation, disclosure, and justice. Only then we should apply the
principles of clemency and mercy.
If this really was a one time incident 28 years ago, and no other act occurred
later, what good does putting him on a list really do other than brand him? If
other offenses have occured,
Nice to see most on here realize people make "mistakes." So the next time it's
a Democrat in this position, as inevitably there will be, we all expect the same
amount of empathy and forgiveness.
which is the greater transgression of the law for a 28 year old to be
inappropriate with a 15 year old or for an undocumented immigrant to try to care
for his family by crossing the border to earn enough money to feed his family. I
think this was a long time ago and I have done stupid things in my life. Not
this one though. But we are to quick to judge others "the law is the law".
It's not like Garn is working for Obama so, Utahns should overlook his past and
The biggest mistake Garn made was paying the extortion money. It makes it look
like he had something to hide. He needs to sue this woman for every penny. She
is dishonest to the core. Only in Utah would a 22 year old hot tubbing
incident be a scandal. Most newspapers would never print this had he not made
the public statement. I am a Dem and usually not a Garn fan but today I back
Well, Garn has held one of those many Republican lock tight districts (Demos
won't even run in it), because LDS believe only Republicans are sufficiently
righteous to hold positions in the legislature. That belief will no doubt
So, she says she took $150,000, promised to never make it public and then said
she never wanted to make it public, and then makes it public.Both
people made mistakes in judgment, one is a liar, and now let's move on.
25 years ago is long enough to live with guilt. 'Let you without sin cast the
first stone' comes to mind. As for paying the girl and the newspaper keeping it
quite I am surprised at these things and they are my real concern in reading
this story. 'dumb and dumber' seems to be what I have to say about that!
Living a chaste life at all times and in all places will save you from so much
trouble! We can learn from others' mistakes for sure. "Choose the
right...There's safety for the soul!" Indeed!
It's incredible to see all the comments attacking the woman in this case.
Particularly the "14-year-olds know what they're doing" crowd. Are 13-year-olds
that much different from 14-year-old? 10-year-olds are now dressing like
teenagers, so they should be held responsible for what happens to them. TEENAGE
BRAINS ARE NOT FULLY DEVELOPED!!! They do not fully understand consequences to
their actions. In fact, our brains continue to develop well into our 20s.
There are reasons that we have child-protection laws.
It's funny to me all of the "forgiveness" and "mistake" comments on this board.
It seems that when someone is Mormon these are the feelings people have, but
when they are not Mormon, or heaven forbid Democrat, it seems the comments are
not as nice and forgiving.
Give Garn a break! The man made some mistakes. Who hasn't? Life isn't perfect.
I can't believe the Deseret News would even print a story like this. It's time
to move forward.
I wonder what nonsexual conduct could be $150,000 worth of harm to her.
"It's the reporters who control what gets broadcast to the world and those in
Utah choose to pick on Republicans. Of course, there are more of them to pick on
here, but that doesn't mean there aren't stories that could be told about
Democrats."Ridiculous... do you for one moment truly believe any
newspaper, particularly the Deseret News, wouldn't salivate at the chance of
uncovering credible political scandal regardless of the person's politics. As
they say, if you want to sell a paper put "sex", "murder", or "sports" in the
headline. You seem to either be suggesting that the DesNews is above reporting
on scandal (nope, just read that article) or is left-leaning in who they expose
(hold on... I'm still laughing on this one). The only thing I will agree with is
there are many more Republicans in the Utah House/Senate, hence it's more likely
Utah political scandal will come from Republicans--this is obviously true.People are imperfect on both sides of the aisle, but lets not kid
ourselves here--the right has had a particularly bad showing over the past few
years, both locally and nationally.
Wait! I thought only DEMOCRATS had no morals and yet people are willing to
forgive a REPUBLICAN very quickly.
...does a man have to say "I am ashamed" and every one else has to say "I am
saddened" when someone is the victim of extortion for something repented of
long, long ago. And James: The "claim" was a payment for
confidentiality. This woman now has to live with her dishonesty for the rest of
her life. Garn has nothing to be ashamed of at this point except his poor
judgment in paying the $$.
There doesn't have to be sex to be SEXUAL. It was wrong and immoral. Then he
bribed someone with $150,000? Even more wrong to hide this.What is
with Republicans and their sexual deviancy in positions of power legislating
morality for the rest of us?
So a married adult hopping nude into a hot tub with a nude teenager is O.K. for
future state legislators? How about a future teacher? Double
standards... hypocrisy... Utah politics!
and Kilpacks DUI will humble the GOP members a bit on the hill and make them
hold their tongue a bit longer when the feel the need to judge others through
there speeches and sometime inane laws. I for one hope this leads some people
to realize having one party control is bad for everyone as only the views of the
radical right are fairly represented at the moment. The rest of the arrogant
GOP legislators, I hope you humble yourselves or it will likely be done for you.
You're not better than anyone else.
Big deal, he sat in a hot tub with a girl 25 years ago! Extorting $150,000 is
the thing that the authorities should be investigating. (and she was not even
smart enough to keep her agreement to be quiet for $150,000!) I hope this woman
pays with some prison time!
Was he married at the time? Why is this PERVERSION and BRIBERY ok with fellow
legislators? Count me as an LDS person who is not condoning this immoral
. . . if we press hard enough, we find EVERY SINGLE POLITICIAN is dirty?The fact that all the rest "console" and close ranks around Garn
indicates they're all the same.Throw ALL the bums out!
Sad for both Deseret News and Garn. On one side I believe the lack of reporting
shows a level of humanity, however the incident should have been reported.No winners here.
I agree that this issue needs to be forgiven. From what I've read and heard
Rep. Garn had already taken care of this problem with the woman, his family, and
with his church. But should he have received a standing ovation??? That act,
led by the Speaker, leads me to wonder about legislative "double standards" once
Maher should go to jail! MOVE ON WOMAN. Total cop-out if she blames ANYTHING on
this incident. 25 years ago? C'mon. Maher is weak and obviously VERY VERY
disturbed and desperate! Go directly to jail!!!
Come to Utah, where women have no rights. The assembly applauds this cretin's
behavior. Must have been right after they passed the law that criminalizes
miscarriages, they were giddy with success. $150,000 payed for no misconduct
with an under-age girl in a hot tub, sure...just like John Ensign paying off his
aides husband for no misconduct.Women's groups should campaign for a
total boycott of this state for the way they treat them. What's next, witchcraft
Exactly. A 28 year old man is hardly in his youth or a young man. He is a grown
adult. Teenagers are kids.
Pardon me?!!?? Some of you guys are saying pedophile, and sex offender, sexual
predator and naked. ????? Did I read the same article? Nowhere does it say he
had sexual contact with her, nowhere does it say he molested her, nowhere does
it say he got naked.Now, guess what, there are a lot of beautiful
young women, and getting into a hot tub with them is a very poor showing of
judgement, but nowhere is it illegal to get into a hot tub with one. Did I say
poor judgement? Yes! Very!!! Can a person go to jail for it? Be indicted??
Get on the sex registry? NOOOO!Now back from LaLaland. It was 25
years ago, his wife knew about it, his kids know about it and now it is public
record. It has not been repeated and he has demonstrated a strong record of
service since. Good enough for me whether or not he is Dem or Rep.End of story for me.
This kind of behavior is unacceptable, regardless of when it took place, resign
now Mr. Garn, you are a disgrace, if that had been my daughter, look out pal..
Please!! If you have broken the law to the extent that you need to cover it up
with bribe money (even if it was 25 years ago) ... Confess,Repent, Get Help,
Move On, but DON'T RUN FOR PUBLIC OFFICE! We need ethical legislators in our
House and Senate. One does not need to be perfect to be ethical!!
What was the young girl doing -NAKED in a hot tub where males were about. What
kind of establishmentwas it? a gym, a private home? These items make a
to an attempt, conspiracy, or solicitation under Section 76-4-101 , 76-4-201 ,
or 76-4-203 , the person knowingly uses a computer to solicit, seduce, lure, or
entice, or attempt to solicit, seduce, lure, or entice a minor or a person the
defendant believes to be a minor to engage in any sexual activity which is a
violation of state criminal law.
things I did in my younger years! We ALL do stupid stuff! He didn't rape her
or force her to get undressed so it was just bad judgement! I think he should be
given his 150,000 back! A contract drawn up by two lawyers is binding I would
She and her Bishop met with Garn in 2002 to discuss this. Doesn't the bishop
have a responsibility to report this?
["I just want to tell the truth because it's part of the healing process for
me."]Translation: She's been talking to the news and I have to get
out in front and spin before its too late.[House members gave him
thunderous applause for his honesty and embraced him.]What more
needs to be said? The largely Rushpublican Utah House APPLAUDED actions that
would make him a low level sex offender AND being involved in extortion!
$150000 for what, sitting and talking in a hot tub? There's more to this story.
Wonder if Garn has a 15-or-so-year-old-daughter? Wonder how he would react if
this 15-year-old daughter was naked in a hot tub with her employer? How many of
the men who embraced him have 15-or-so-year-old-daughters? What kind of message
were they giving their daughters? "Don't worry, honey, daddy will embrace the
guy if he confesses. After all, you are just a girl."
Oh the apologists! I, for one, would never get into a hot tub with a teenage
girl, with or without clothes. He made a mistake which has destroyed all
confidence in his judgment. Why does he hold onto power. It is because he is
intoxicated with all that comes with his position. Mr. Garn is a
pathetic pervert who must resign immediately. What about his comarades who
knew about this? He/she is also culpible. As a registered
republican I feel it is time to get rid of these bums. We need change.
Republicans have held exclusive power for far to long. This kind of arrogant
behavior permeates all levels of government.
Republicans proved in this legislative session that the following are ok by
their example:1. Getting in hotubs with minors nude2. Bribing
said minor.3. Hiding such behavior.4. MORAL HYPOCRISY is OK as long
as your have an R by your title.
Many people here have no clue about the laws which govern their daily lives.
Which is frightening, in a way.First, there is no criminal
liability: The statute of limitations for any crime committed in this incident
expired long ago, even before Rep. Garn paid her the "hush money". The standard
limitation on misdemeanors is two years; four for most felonies.Second, the girl in question was a minor, but not a child, under Utah law --
which means this wasn't child abuse under any definition in the Utah Code. The
term "child" in Utah law is reserved for children less than 14 years of age.Third, simply getting into a hot tub naked with a 15 year-old girl was
at worst Lewdness -- a Class B misdemeanor (UCA 76-9-702).So, under
Utah law, Representative Garn is no longer a criminal.Shortsighted?
Yes. Stupid? Absolutely. Unfit for office? That's for the voters in his
district to decide.But a "child abuser" he is not. And for what
it's worth I'm not a lawyer, either -- just someone who has a basic
understanding of Utah law.
You know, I'm kind of sick of amoral people throwing it in the face of people
trying to be moral everytime one of them messes up. Just because we are far
from perfect doesn't mean we should stop professing living the values and
qualities of a moral life. Personal actions that are immoral in no way make
morality any less valuable. In fact just the opposite is true. Garn's case is
a perfect example of the importance of living a moral life.
I have always wanted to run for political office JUST to see what the media
would dig up one me. Would they dig up that I was late coming in from recess
once while in the 2nd grade?
So, according to Republicans in the legialatire, DUI and bathing nude with a
minor are just fine and dandy if you are a "good person". I get it now.
There's really only one way to properly respond to this incident: A MESSAGE
I once saw a bumper sticker which stated " any leader who would cheat on his
spouse and children-would cheat on the people he leads". Why, can we have
leaders who are morally clean?
Did you hear the news? The dictionary is changing the term Hypocrisy to:
This was 25 years ago. Move on! Who cares?
Does the fact that Mr Garn is Mormon and that he was with an underage girl make
it so much different than if he were a Catholic clergyman getting into a hottub
with an underage boy?
When Jesus was confronted with the woman taken in adultery he asked that he who
was without sin cast the first stone. That fits this issue.Garn
seems to have followed the admonition Jesus gave to the woman. Go and sin no
Mr. Garn claims there was no sexual contact and all he did was enter a hot tub.
While there's nothing illegal in that, it certainly begs more questions. What
was the venue? In the context of a family-oriented nudist facility where
clothing is optional for everyone, there would be nothing untoward about it.
Otherwise though, why was he naked? Moreover, why was she naked? (or how did
they become naked?)The biggest question is, if the encounter was as
innocent as Mr. Garn described, why was he willing to pay $150,000.00 to cover
it up? He sounds like very guilt-ridden person with a highly twisted and
mixed-up set of ethics. Either that, or just a big phony who's been playing to
voters that only will elect someone they perceive to be "morally perfect".
I love this, he got in the tub NUDE but didn't expect anything to happen
sexually? Of course it was sexual. Just because there was not intercourse
doesn't mean it was not sexual and not a crime. This wasn't innocent, he was
freaking 28 years old.
All the Democrat sheep on here giving holier than thou and intolerant
comments.In your book all of this stuff is good.We are
always asked to look the other way when Democrats do this stuff.Now
that a republican made a mistake 25 years ago we need to make big deal out of
it.You pathetic Liberals are so transparent and duplicitous.
Why does this stuff always happen to the innocent and good guys?
Blaming the girl for wanting a settlement... Start blaming Garn for the first
offense. If he would have said no, then she wouldn't have demanded settlement
money. Go back to the very beginning and you will find Garn is the catalyst of
this whole thing.
Kevin was wrong 2 times, but his wife was very wrong also. Are these adults who
think one can do wrong, wife helps you cover this up and life goes on. come one
scary as it seened lying to us all these years as an upstanding family is worst
If Garn's allegation that there was no physical contact is true, then it may be
difficult to prove that there was a law broken. It looks like it is a he
said/she said 25 years after the fact and while his story sounds a little shaky,
he is apparently the more believable person.I'd bet dollars to
donuts this woman will be on every talk show around in the next few weeks and
may even be able to make a short term career out of this ala Anita Hill. Kinda sad and tragic all the way around.
Most of all for the woman. I hope that she is able to work out her
issues and get her life in order.
This upright gentleman has been the primary opponent of the legislative ethics
initiative. Well, now we know why....
Almost as shocking is the Deseret News decision to assist Rep Garn with his
attempt to cover-up this incident. Did those responsible for this terrible
decision think a public official paying off a blackmailer was not newsworthy?
Sorry, that doesn't even begin to pass the smell test...
I'm sorry, but I have a really hard time believing that "nothing happened". I
was an adolescent in the LDS church during that time and know there was a lot of
guilt from church leaders, but something more must have gone on to induce a
"life ruining" guilt for her.It definitely seems hypocritical for
the Deseret News to squash this story, especially when Garn choose to get back
into Utah Politics eight years later. There is no doubt in my mind that if a
similar situation had arisen with a Democratic candidate who was not LDS, the
same treatment would have been given.Perhaps the editors felt it was
more convenient to have some leverage against the House Majority leader? I did
notice that Garn was unusually friendly to illegal aliens during his votes this
year, something the Deseret News editors are constantly supporting. Maybe it's
just a coincidence....
I personally forgive the man. He has obviously learned from his follies. If
his family can forgive him, so can we. If the media ridicules every man who runs
for office for his past sins, we won't have any politicians left. We've all
made mistakes. Twenty years is long enough to change your life. It's also long
enough to heal.
I was born and raised in Utah, lived there until I was almost 30. I am so glad
I don't live there now! The animosity and hatred of non-members against members
of the LDS church is unbelieveable. I have lived in the midwest and the west
for 44 years, and wouldn't trade those years for 1 year in Utah. People I have
encountered over the years are more tolerable than anyone in Utah. I have many
friends across the country who don't hate Mormons. Live! and Let Live!
The extortion is wrong too. We need to make abuse laws NOT retroactive. At
this rate, everyone will end up in jail.Change the laws! I am a
woman, and I say change the laws.
I'm a Mormon and sometimes a Republican. If Garn is not held accountable for
this, it will be a huge mistake for Republicans and the Mormon community in
Utah. What he did was wrong. Was he married at the time? Sorry, you don't get to
avoid the consequences of your actions because you're a Mormon and a Republican.
Don't be hypocrites. Maybe it's none of my business, but I don't see how he
could fully repent of this thing without telling the whole truth and suffering
This is very troubling. This man, sexually abused a 15 year old by exposing
himself to her. This is illegal isn't it?
The original offense is actually pretty mild. He definitely shouldn't have done
it, but if sitting in a hot tub nude was all it was, it should be forgiven. It
was definitely a boneheaded thing to do, but if nothing like that was repeated,
it should be forgiven.This victim is clearly a blackmailer. She
should be prosecuted as such. I hope she's required to give back the money. I
don't believe such an event is all that damaging. She's not going to be scarred
for life over it. However, this is a good example of how we all
should be very careful of what we do. These things always come back to haunt
you. Everyone learn a lesson from it.
I am shocked at the number of people who seem to be forgiving and forgetting
what this man did. He was twice the age of a girl, who was a minor. How do you
think they ended up in the hot tub together naked? You think he just happened
to get this girl to do this? The girl worked for him! This is a HUGE mistake
this man made. Should he remain in office? NO!!! He is a public servant, and we
need to hold him to a higher standard. If he doesn't leave, vote him out!
$150,000??? $150,000 is more than just hush money over nudity. If you believe
this I have a bridge to sell you.So according to the legislature
being nude with minors as long as you don;t touch them is ok, bribery is just
fine and DUI driving is all forgivable. SWEEEEEET!
Reading most of these comments is an extraordinary commentary on rationalization
and "protecting your own." Do you realize what would happen if any other
nearly-30-year-old male was found to have gotten naked with a 15 year old in a
hot tub? The man would be in prison and would thereafter be a registered sex
offender for life. All the "blame the girl" commentary is equally incredible. It
is pure hypocracy - in him, and in the conservative commenters that appear to be
in the majority here.
Not just a hug but a standing ovation.
... some of you repeatedly posting on the "sex offender" and "pedophilia" theme
are REALLY getting ridiculous. If Garn's telling the whole truth, and there
doesn't seem to be much reason to disbelieve that at this point, here are a few
facts:a) This "incident" occurred two decades ago, and was
apparently isolated;b) Garn was 28 at the time;c) The girl was
slightly MORE than half his age--probably 15-17;and d) NO SEXUAL CONTACT
OCCURRED.Sex offenders and pedophiles MAKE SEXUAL CONTACT,
pedophiles generally do so with much younger victims, and both make REPEATED
ATTEMPTS. THAT is what puts them in jail. If Garn didn't do any of those things,
prison isn't the place for him.Don't get me wrong--I do agree that
Garn shouldn't have done even what he DID do. But it seems he's paying the price
for that now. So let's let the punishment fit the crime, shall we? Knock off the
It never fails to stun me when both the media and the people don't ask the
questions to get to the bottom of a story like this. Elected
officials run for election by expressing their principles and making commitments
to the public. I would suggest that when a 28 year old employer takes his 14-15
year old employee to a place (a home? business?) in SLC where they can be nude
(alone?) in a hot tub, those probably aren't the principles expressed in his
campaign. And I would argue that the actions taken are far more calculated than
the word "foolish" implies. When a news agency does not report on a
story about a politician violating basic cultural principles in order to not
have an impact on a political race (and since when has a news agency NOT
reported a story out of respect for a non-disclosure agreement), it makes me
question that agency's commitment to informing the public.So many
questions remain unanswered (and probably unasked). If news agencies can't be
bothered to ask the difficult questions, who can we trust to do so?
The age to get married in Utah is 14 with the parents permission. I know
because my daughter was married at 16 and had three children by the age of 19.
That is why morality should be taught by parents, we make mistakes but why pay
to hide them.
As the caucuses near - Some advice for those who want to get involved with
politics - If you have broken the law in the past (even if you have repented)-
become a delegate, work on a campaign, make a donation, attend community
meetings - but say "NO" to running for Congress, House, or Senate. It's bound
to catch up with you and you're making our state look like ----
Let's just forgive and move on. For example, let's just forgive the upstanding
seminary principal who took one of his students out of school so they could have
a relationship. She was 15 and knew what she was doing, right? I'm sure he has
repented.Let's just forgive Brian David Mitchell for taking
Elizabeth Smart away from her family for a while. She was old enough to run
away whenever she wanted, right? I'm sure he has repented.For all of
you claiming to be so sure that he has "repented" -- how do you know for sure?
Isn't that his bishop's job as a judge in Israel? Please stop trying to assume
you know whether he has repented. From my perspective, waiting
until you are confronted publicly to confess something is not an indication of
Its nice to see from many of these posts that all of you Democrats are so clean
It's a bad bad year for the Republican party in Utah.
Perhaps the issue here is not the incident itself (disgusting), but the
COVER-UP. It was a cover-up. No matter how it was presented by Mr. Garn, it was
a cover-up. He covered-up an illegal act. Other politicians that have covered-up
this type of indescretion were impeached or have resigned. Horrible judgement or
not, what he did was against the law! No wonder the Utah legislative ethics
folks are afraid to tackle tough issues. Get out of Office!!
Is it just me or is there an undercurrent of deviancy with minors accepted in
"The editors decided to wait to see if Garn advanced in the primary before
deciding to publish a story or not." Given the degree to which Deseret Media
support the Republican party, I doubt you would have anytime.
For those who keep saying it was a mistake, you really should look up the
meaning of the word. This was a deliberate action by Garn's own admission. He
didn't mistakenly converge with the child in the hot tub, he did it on purpose
and for a reason.
A standing ovation? The legislature's reaction to this incident is as much a
story as the story itself.I hope that all involved can heal and move
on. At the same time, it's time for Garn to step down.
Are you people listening to yourself! He was a kid! She is coming forward now
to ruin his life! How could hot tubbing haunt her all these years! She is
Did he use his campaign funds to pay the $150,000? If so, he should be
investigated for ethic's violations.
I have my fingers crossed that this fine publication, which obviously adheres to
the highest standards of Fox journalism, will allow my comment.I
have a question after reading the comments. Is a 15 year old girl considered
"fair game" for an adult male in Utah? Is it still OK if the adult male is an
african american or mexican and the 15 year old is a cute little white
sophomore? Or would that get the interest of law enforcement?Be
It's amazing to me how quickly "rule of law" conservatives in this state are so
quick to set that aside for one of their own. Garn should resign and have
charges filed against him. She was FIFTEEN. Forgive him if you like, but don't
set aside the rule of law. Wake up people.
Not only is Garn's past coming back to haunt him, but the D News' decision not
to run the story in 2002 is coming back to haunt them. I'm sure the editorial
board agonized over what to do, but I believe it was the wrong decision —
terribly wrong! It was clearly an important news story involving a public
figure. This will significantly damage the paper’s credibility. How many
other important stories is the paper sitting on? Did the paper protect Garn
because it has a Republican bias? It takes guts to run a good paper, and
unfortunately, the D. News blinked! Both the D News and Garn would have been
far better off to come clean from the start!
Wouldn't this be an example of the moral equivalency that we always lecture
everyone else about? That means that right and wrong changes as convenient for
us? It almost sounds like we're a bunch of religious hypocrites, but that can't
be the case, can it? I better talk to my minister and have him explain this
away for me.
What is it about Utah and the people's willingness to defend this kind of
twisted behavior? In any other state you'd be hard pressed to find any
defenders for this kind of person. He would have either been put in jail or run
out of town. Instead, I'm finding that the majority of people here are quick to
blame the girl and while praising the virtues of the ADULT, who knew better, and
did this to a teenager.
it was 1985 man!!! bush snorted coke about that same amount of time before
taking office. it was skinny dipping for crying out loud. bad thing to do, but
get real. she comes around when she knows she can make money off the guy...
doesn't make me feel sorry for her too much. she was like 32 yrs old when she
extorted him, that's a bigger deal in my book.
You people make me sick. As a 28 year old he got naked WITH A JUNIOR HIGH
SCHOOL STUDENT. I don't care how well he was able to hide it for 25 years with
his money, but that's sick WITHOUT sex involved.And just because he
said there wasn't any, doesn't mean there wasn't any. You think he's going to
admit to anything when he could be charged with STATUTORY RAPE?If it
had been another adult, then yes, 25 years is too long to hold this against him.
SHE WAS A CHILD.
Garn wasn't 28 years old as the article (and his statement) says. He
was 30 years old, and married, with kids.
1. From a strictly legal perspective, had he been arrested the next day he
likely would have been charged with a misdemeanor but not any kind of felony.
The statute of limitations has now long since lapsed. 2. From a
moral perspective, he made a serious mistake and one that his wife and children
have known about for a long time. 3. From a practical perspective,
it is HIGHLY unlikely that, assuming no sexual contact occurred, this event has
played a role in the woman's mental and substance abuse struggles that she has
admitted to.4. I am sorry for anyone who struggles with pills and
alcohol as this woman has admitted. A close family member of mine has struggled
with pills for years. The unfortunate reality is that it causes people to act
very unreasonable - in ways that they later greatly regret. My experience tells
me that if this woman is currently struggling with pills, she is likely doing
and saying things regarding this story that she will later regret once she is
clean. 5. Political parties are a curse to our society. I long for
politicians who legislate according to common sense and reason - not
She was a minor for goodness sake. He a 30-year-old man!!!! There is no statute
of limitations on crimes against children for a reason. Treat this like any
other indecent exposure. People who are convicted of lewd acts against children
get put on the sex offenders' list for life, whether the act occurred 1, 10, or
60 years ago. The fact that he publicly apologized (after paying hush money and
because he had no other alternative) doesn't make it right! And it's
pricelessly because he is a lawmaker that he should be held to a higher
standard. Throw the bum in jail. And throw her too for extortion!!!
When I was 28, I would not have done naked hot tubbing with a 14 year old girl.
Does it bother anybody else that the only people who would have are currently
running our country. How do people like Grover Cleveland, Kennedy (pick one)
and John Edwards get elected? We need a system of government where men with
good judgement like George Washington are put in charge, even though they are
not eager to do it. Throw the bums out next election!
What he did was wrong - a crime - and he knows it. That is why he paid hush
money. It is inappropriate for a 28-year-old man to be naked in a hot tub with a
15-year-old girl. The law protects minors. Don't make her the culprit.Interesting that he says "almost half my age" instead of "15" -- like hoping
people won't do the math? For all those jumping on the Pres. Clinton
bandwagon - the woman he was involved with was of age. I'm just sayin' ...
dont worry , u letterman , tiger will get by with a little help from your
friends as you made a carreer of it ...pushing the button.
I forgive Ted Bundy for what he did, but that doesn't mean I'd let my daughter
go for a ride with him. I forgive Mr. Garn, but I'm not sure that means he
should be running the legislature. Forgiveness is one thing, but the public has
a right to know who they are voting for. Maybe everyone went hot tubbing (and
whatever else happened) with a 15 year old when they were 28, and then paid her
150K to keep her mouth shut, but I never did. Guess it's not a big deal,
judging by 90 percent of the comments here. In my opinion someone else should
run the state and Mr. Garn should get a nice job in the public sector.
i didn't even come close to this and no one forgives me...just labels me...label
me the unforgiven but i'm liven!
"mc | 10:33 a.m. March 12, 2010Its nice to see from many of these posts
that all of you Democrats are so clean and pure."Well, I haven't
ever gotten in a hot tub nude with a 15-year old girl, if that's what you're
asking.Amazing how quickly the GOP preaches moral relativism when
it's one of their own.
yeah i believe him, not. gotta love fools.
Would you still feel the same forgiveness to Garn if this 15 year old girl was
There does seem to be a bit of a double standard. A member of the Religious
Right who has a sexual transgression is a repentant sinner. a member of the
Religious Left how does the same thing is an immoral reprobate. An undocumented
immigrant who comes to America because he loves his family and want t care for
them is a criminal. A 28 year old who get naked in a hot tub with a 15 year old
has made a stupid mistake.
Please MR. Garn, take the high road for once on this issue and resign. "It was a
long time ago" might beat the justice system but if we are to trust your words
of wisdom from your calling, you need to come completely hot tub clean, she
Typical, and telling how the most publicly pious are the most privately
perverted. Garn deserves all the scorn he has heaped on others far better than
Reading the comments has been the most humorous part of my day. The thought
processes of my fellow men and ladies are enlightening and amusing.
I am so sick of the polarization and hypocrisy driven by political ideology. Issues should be decided soley on reason, logic and common sense and
involve honest collaboration by our leaders for the good of the citizens they
represent. There are so few politicians who have that mindset today at both
local and national levels.The responses to this story are driven
largely by ideology and political party as well. I find nothing more pathetic
and weak than to make decisions based on what a particular ideology encompasses
- whether it be a religious or political ideology - rather than using your own
reason and common sense and having the courage to make decisions that do not fit
into a particular box.Independent thinkers who weigh ALL the
evidence, facts and circumstances of something issue by issue seem to be so far
and few between into today's extreme polarizing landscape where the only voices
seem to be the extremes of the left or the right. Moderation, common sense,
reason, and collaboration are almost viewed as weaknesses in today's toxic
political environment. To me those should be the MOST important virtues of our
If it was your daughter in the hot tub would you still forgive and vote for him?
Teacher gets accused of inappropriate relationship with student--- Career
ruined, name smeared all over the D News and legislature calls for more
background checksLegislator admits to exposing himself (at the
least) to a child--- Standing ovation and hugs from fellow legislators, D News
buries the story, and apologists aplenty defending him because of political
As a dad with adult daughters and a fifteen year old daughter, let me tell you
how I see this story.There's a fifteen year old mormon girl, a ninth
grader, a MIA maid, who works for this nice guy. He takes her out of town, to
some kind of secluded hot tub where they bathe together in the nude. He tells
her to keep their shame a secret and she does, for many years. She lives with
her unresolved guilt.Victims of this kind of abuse suffer. The
event does spiritual and emotional damage. It wounds the spirit.Then, she's a young women's leader and she sees that the same man might get
elected to high office. She talks to a reporter.The next thing she
knows the man is working through her bishop to get her to kill the story. Her
husband tells her that her silence is worth $150,000. She complies. The wound
doesn't heal.Finally she decides that unrighteous men must not be
allowed to force her into bad decisions. She goes public and gets attacked by a
bunch of self righteous party line ideologues.I hope she heals.
My compassionate side tells me that this was a regrettable incident long ago,
and by gones should be by gones. My rational side tells me, this man
committed a sexual offense against a 15 year old girl while he was in his late
twenties. Without the details I have a hard time accepting his story at face
value, ie, there was no sexual conduct. He also kept this secret from the public
for twenty plus years. His public service and "good" life was largely directed
by the misfortune that he wasn't arrested at age 28 for his clear crime. I am 28
years old now, and just don't believe I could write this "indiscretion" off as a
youthful mistake. Lastly, his willingness to submit to obvious
extortion, bespeaks questionable integrity. How can we justify a public servant
who is willing to continue breaking the law by participating in extortion. At
the very least this ENTIRE incident deserves a thorough independent
investigation, up to and including criminal prosecution of the woman in question
for blackmail.It should be obvious, but I ultimately have to forsake
my compassion and side with rationalism here.
Very interesting and insightful perspective to this story. Thank you!!
@Refund2:35a.m.:["Since the girl broke the terms of the agreement,
does she have to return the money?"]She should. And if she doesn't
someone should look into if she paid taxes on it.
I'm amazed at the rationalizations that you folks come up with, to defend both
Garn and the DesNews.That he was naked in a hot tub with someone 25
years ago is not very interesting. That his naked companion was 15 at the time,
while he was 28, should be of great interest both to the news media and to the
criminal justice system.The hush money deal was potentially criminal
on the part of both parties, and is again highly newsworthy.And
according to this article, none of this was merely a matter of rumor, even eight
years ago. Mr. Garn admitted all of it to the Deseret News, but they didn't
print anything.Perhaps it was reasonable to delay publication until
after the election, since you wouldn't want voters to know part of the story but
not all. But there was no excuse for the DesNews keeping this secret for 8
years, while Mr. Garn continued to serve in the Legislature.No
excuse. The DesNews participated in a cover-up.
28 years old is a grown man. 14 years old is not a "young woman", but a "girl"!
Forgive? Sure. Downplay what happened? No way!
Getting caught is not repentance. Jail for men that abuse minors!
This woman is a gold-digger and an extortionist. That is a fact.He
never should have paid her for a foolish mistake when he was young.
It was a crime. He paid her hush money. It was not about helping her, if that
were the case, then why so much later was the money paid? Further, and this is
very important, Garn ran for public office, took money to fund campaigns and
never disclosed this. Voters were defrauded because many if not most would not
have voted from him (or gave him contributions) if this was known. He's got to
go. Not acceptable at all.
Exposing yourself to a minor is a crime that ends political careers.Tampering with a witness (by paying her off) is also a crime. Garn knew
better both times.
Come on, people, let it go. It was 25 years ago. He made a youthful
mistake, like we all have. Nothing happened between the two of them, and he's
tried to make it up to her since. If he wasn't a Republican then this wouldn't
be news. The Dems do lot's of things worse than this.
Are the Church and Deseret News culprits?"Deseret News editors
decided not to run a story about the indiscretion at that time, since the GOP
primary was only weeks away and the incident had occurred years before."
Sounds like someones political alignment got in the way of their reporter sense.
The only reason this story wouldn't run is for political reasons. Even if you
argue that this was nothing more then bad judgment the people should have been
told about this because if Garn has bad judgment in his personal life, how can
he have good judgment in his political dealings.
Thanks for your comments Utah Dad! The most reasoned (and probably realistic)
interpretation of the events so far.
whats the difference they're both in position of trust...geez thats why
is so accepted here and the outside world views Utah as hicks!
Why is so much of this article a feeble attempt to exculpate the D-News? I think
waiting for this to happen to publish anything about it is journalistically
I'm surprised nobody has brought this up yet. Kevin is a former bishop and
stake president. Was this ever disclosed to the Church authorities by Kevin?
How many disciplinary councils did Kevin prside in where the conduct was similar
to Kevins? This brings up a LOT of unanswered questions.
certainly at a minimum the judgement by the Des News Editor was rally bad. What
about the Trib? If the News knew, its pretty sure the Trib did too.
Incredibly poor judgement by both. I doubt there was a crime by either of them
First to Cowboy and Utah Dad. Nice and thoughtful. To Not a Big Deal, Move
Along, I don't care if Garn is a Republican or Democrat. He was 28 at the time
of this Encounter. 28 is not a young age and for those of you using that as an
excuse, you should be ashamed. If I made that mistake at that age or even at 20,
I should have been arrested. I know better and he knew better. The "extortion"
request is certainly not a right move by this woman (separately, she should
answer to this as well) but that doesn't exonerate Garn. In fact, by paying her
to "heal" and not disclosing it makes it worse. Moreover, he was no longer
"youthful" when he paid this money. Bottom line, I'm an independent. When it
comes to the voting booth, this incident will influence my vote.
Forgive him He's paid enough. Although he should probably leave office, she
should be looked into on tax or blackmail charges.
If I understand the Des News's rationale, they didn't report the story because
it was too close to a primary election, so they sat on it, then Garn lost so
there was no story.Does that mean that if Garn had beat Bishop and
went on to face the Democratic contender, they would have then reported the
story?I think I've gotten it - the Des News wanted a Democrat
elected from the 1st district and knew this was their only chance - 1st, hope
that Garn gets the Republican nomination and then in the general election report
the story and destroy his campaign.They came so close!
I'm a Democrat and absolutely do not condone this kind of behavior from any
Democrat, e.g. Rep. Massa. But the sight of a bunch of self-righteous
Republicans giving a standing ovation to a pedophile who pays big hush money to
keep his peccadillos private is enough to make me gag. They should all be
ashamed of themselves.
Optional | 12:49 p.m. wrote:"I'm surprised nobody has brought this
up yet. Kevin is a former bishop and stake president. Was this ever disclosed to
the Church authorities by Kevin? How many disciplinary councils did Kevin prside
in where the conduct was similar to Kevins? This brings up a LOT of unanswered
questions."It sure does!
It's amazing the folks wanting to put this in the past. Garn should have been
on the sex offender registry. That's the way to look at it. And his fellow
colleagues gave him a standing ovation. Despicable.
Excellent comment, Jud. That is just about as slimy a display as I've ever seen
in American politics, and we know how slimy that is. One guy was apparently
weeping for his poor comrade, who had to admit to convincing a 15 yr. old
employee to take off her clothes for him after years of hiding it. Waaaaah.Just look again at that photo. Disturbing. They believe they can do
anything to anyone and that god supports them. They continue to take America
into a cesspool.
If this incident had happened last week, Garn would have been prosecuted. She
was a minor. That it happened 25 years ago shouldn't change that.
If someone working with Obama made a dumb political remark when he was 20
conservative use his words to condemn him. When it's a local conservative, they
want to forgive him and move on. This is moral relativism.
You just gotta love the comments that are willing to forgive Garn. Will those
same people now forgive Polanski? Hypocrites who hide behind their faith while
committing sin. Secondly, does anyone really believe that this was an isoloated
incident with only one girl. Where there's smoke there's fire.
To all the people that are praising Garn!!!!! Do you have daughters? Would it be
okay for me to come over and get in the hot tub with them??
BTW - I notice that the D-news caption terms Garn's incident a discretion.
Others might say sexual assault. While a district attorney might say statutory
Interesting to see the positive tone on this forum. I recall much harsher
response to the Clinton sex scandals. Double Standard?
Background checks are required for public employees such as teachers and
police officers. Now even classroom volunteers are being asked to obtain
background checks. I understand this as these people as in a position of trust.
Question? Are background checks required amongst the Utah legislature? I would
be curious to find out.
I propose that the national laws be changed so that Utah males are exempted from
being considered legal adults at age 18. It's clear from so many comments that
the populace doesn't believe that this poor fellow was equipped to make any kind
of legal or ethical decisions at age 28. It sounds like most males in Utah must
not get away from Mama until closer to thirty, and then they need some
clarification on what the law means. This is the evil 15 year old vixen's
I'm republican 23 and male and what this man did is not ok. I mean 28 years old
when he did this? Wow.Hard to say whether it was extortion or
whether he went out of his way to keep her quiet but it doesn't look to good
from either side. Sad story.A 15 year old should be smarter but a 28
year old should be a LOT smarter!
I'm angered that Deseret News wouldn't report on something like this when it
comes to our elected officials. This isn't a private citizen, this is someone
who represents us. They put themselves in the public eye. I don't really care
to get in people's bedrooms (or hot tubs), and I don't care about individual's
sexual escapades, AS LONG AS THEY ARE LEGAL. But this behavior clearly skirts
legal lines, which is very relevant to voters trying to determine who will make
their laws. Who are you a paper for? What sort-of puppet strings were pulled
as you talked to him? Did Garn offer you hush incentives, too? I have a brain,
give me the information and allow me to make up my own mind.
If Garn, like Clinton, had lied under oath about this incident, I would say he
should be thrown out. But an indiscretion 25 years ago should be forgiven if
Garn has lived clean since then. I myself refuse to run for public office
because of some dumb things I did 40 to 45 years ago, and it wouldn't be hard
for an investigator to find out all about these discretions when I was 14 to 16
Shame on the D. News. I know Kevin Personally but they refuse to post my
comments. email@example.com if you want to hear the truth about kevins past.
Roman Polanski is considered a hero among his fellow Hollywood Liberals......for
doing the EXACT same thing that GARN did.......I am more out-raged that this
woman BLACKMAILED this guy then I am about Garns 25 year old Polanskylike
indiscretion!If you take money for sex.....are you not essentailly
labeling yourself a HOOKER?
Everyone who is praising Garn, imagine if the 15 year old was your daughter or
someone from your young women class? This man deserve to be locked
up and added to the sex predator list. I really hope he is not a Mormon. Last
thing we need is another one of this type of people.
In many ways I feel the Deseret News should have gone public with this
story. Still, when they have gone public with other accusations they have
been accused of druming up hate against specific individuals. It is a fine
balance, and although I think they should have erred more on the side of public
knowledge, I will with hold the unmoderate attacks that assume that newspapers
have a duty to bring up questionable actions done by an indivudual 17 or more
years ago. On the other hand, I think at least by modern laws this would
count as criminal sexual conduct, so calling it a "mistake" is too weak. It was
a crime, if I properly understand the laws, even if Garn and Maher had no
phisical contact, which is a big IF.
If the "dumb things" in your past involved illegal activities then I applaud you
for not running for office. I wish more people would follow your example. No
one is perfect but most of want legislators who have not been involved with
illegal acts at any time in their lives. Believe it or not, most of our current
legislators could pass such a criminal background check just fine.
no substitute for the truth..........a lie is a lie, and either way you deal
with it , it is still an untrue story.........
1) To the idiot who invoked Polanksi — Misdirection is a cheap tactic. And
maybe quit with the labeling of 15 year old girls as hookers.2) I
don’t care what this guy did 25 fricken years ago. And I don't care that
he paid off the girl. Let the polls be the only judge of this man.3)
The newspaper that didn't report on this information is the villain here. It did
a great disservice to its community and only further damaged the already soiled
name of journalism in this country.
To Lew, The Deseret News is not a particularly Republican press. They
are one of the most ardent supporters of immigration reform there is. It
is just that you are such a die hard democrat that their refusal to push a die
hard Democrat agenda makes you mad.
Sure, let the polls judge this man.But, if this is a felony, should
Garn be allowed to vote for himself at the polls?
I honestly think that I'm sick after reading the many comments of defense of
this man and his actions and the attacks made to this woman. He was a married
adult and he did these things with a young girl... How can you people just shrug
off the things that he did and then blame and attack her? I am sick.
How odd that so many people want to justify his bad behavior by saying that
"everyone makes mistakes". That he regrets his actions does not change them. The
age of consent is not 15 so even if she "knew" what she was doing, what HE did
was illegal. Do not get lost in bad logic. This guy has some serious impulse
Garn said this mistake was coming back to bite him, and now that the 15yr old
(then) is talking it was a bad idea to pay her the money. It sounds like Garn is
sorry that this has become public, not for getting naked with a 15yr old girl!!!
The deseret news did not publish the story because he was retiring anyway. THEN
WHY DID THEY NOT PUBLISH AFTER HE RAN FOR THE SENATE 2 YRS LATER. Garn should
resign at once, if not for 15yr old then for paying the hush money.
How is it that we are still blaming the victim? She was a child, he was an
adult. Garn was never charged, never put on trial, never had to pay and if we
look at this 'friends' on the hill he never will. Of course she's haunted and
she always will be until he is arrested, charged, and put on trial just like any
other pervert in our pretty great state. Justice has a way of putting personal
demons to rest. Garn do Utah a favor, resign, plead guilty, and do your time.
can get away with it, why not a sports figure? Garn had to have the whistle
blown on him, Tiger Woods openly admitted his wrong-doing and he doesn't
represent anyone other than himself. Yet, his endorsements are gone. His
reputation is shot. I say we boot Garn out of office. He is a bad example and
we should be ashamed of him.
Garn says he made a mistake; he didn't make a mistake, he commited a crime.
There needs to be a full lawful investigation.
Pretty disgusting to me that posters are saying "it was a long time ago" or "who
didn't make mistakes". Some of the posters are worse and blaming her or
thinking she was at fault as well.Get real. She was a teenager younger
than 18 years old. That's not a lapse of judgement in a weak moment, that's a
crime. You can't prey on young teens when your a married man of almost 30 -
twice her age. We'd call that a Predator today-which might land you on the Sex
Offender Registry today. This is hitting the national press.I'd forgotten
about the Pegasus record store-didn't know Garn was the one who owned it. I
spent a fortune on records at that place.
He was an adult and she was a child (yes 14/15 is a child). Who cares if it was
5 years ago 25 years ago or 100 years ago it was still wrong. He needs to
resign and go away and not be around little girls again!
I hear you JOHN PACK LAMBERT 4:37. No need to hide the sinnerS sin just because
he is LDS. It really amazes me when this man "Garn" had no morals to even be
honest enough to tell his wife the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The
main person to tell the truth to would be your spouse.
To the 9:08 commentator, While the fact that Garn was married may
effect any past or present action by the LDS church, I do not believe it has any
relevance on the criminality of his action. From a legal standpoint,
which is the one we need to use to consider his fitness to fill out the rest of
his term (the rules for possible re-election are different) the quesion is this,
is a 28 year old man being naked in a hot tub with a 15 year old girl a
crime? The answer to that question is not effected by his marital status.
If he was a single 28-year-old man it would have been equally as criminal.
Was the Deseret News paid to NOT run the story disclosed in 2002?Why
would the Deseret News assist in a cover-up of sexual abuse and political
hush-money?Consider all of the other people and source that knew
about this: Why did all hide the truth?
The little extortionist girl will not be "healed" at all by manipulating someone
and by her publicity-seeking. Ms.Maher, a curse upon you for attempting to
destroy someone, for your own gain. You will never, ever feel good about what
you have done. Rather than allowing you to "move on with your life and heal" as
you said, destroying someone will fester & infect your personality. Forgiving
and forgetting is the only thing that would have healed you. This will destroy
what little is apparently left of you, and your problems in your current life
are NOT someone else's responsibility. Grow up.
Wow. The reaction here is quite telling. Utah is huge on supposed morals and
values, and yet a newspaper chose to omit the little detail of hot-tubbing with
a 15 year old because it was too close to the election? I wonder if the same
consideration would have been given to one of those liberal candidates?
Let us not be naive, a 30 year old married man with children entices a 15 year
old child who was under his religious and employment authority to a secret naked
encounter in a hot tub; and that is all there is to the story. Get real, this is
as bad as the Catholic church scandal of child molestations. This needs to go to
a legal court.
The cries that we not judge because all of us are imperfect ring hollow. Our
world is based on laws that have nothing to do with how "pure" the jury is. In
a criminal proceeding, the judge does not instruct the jury that they can only
find the defendant guilty if they, themselves, have never done anything wrong.
And as a public, we ought to demand more of our elected officials, REGARDLESS of
our own personal shortcomings.There is a string of problems here: at
28 he preyed upon a little girl, in 2002 he did his best to hide his crime, and
he ran for public office several times without disclosing a SERIOUS criminal
offense. Now he wants to come clean, not because his own conscience is
bothering him, but because it has become public.I don't care about
Ms. Maher's shortcomings or involvement - she isn't an elected official. Mr.
Garn ought to be investigated and prosecuted if applicable. Let God judge his
soul; we have a responsibility to hold him to the standards of our own laws and
standards. A man who hides these kinds of sick acts should not hold elected
seriously what is wrong with you? do you not see anything wrong with what Garn
did? you are the one who needs to grow up... most 5 year olds begin to know
the difference between right and wrong, but apparently you haven't reached that
I hate it when you pay hush money, and they don't stay hushed.
"Twenty-five years ago, I made a mistake that has now come back to haunt me. I
was 28 years old and I foolishly went hot-tubbing with a young woman nearly half
my age..."This is a very carefully worded disingenuous confession.
Using the words "mistake" and "incident" to make is sound like one encounter is
incorrect. "Foolishly" equates to "foolish youth" when in reality a married 28
year old cannot dismiss his actions to foolish youth. And "a young woman nearly
half my age" merely deflects naming the actual age (15) and the fact that this
was a child/minor/teenager. "Young woman" implies that this GIRL was mature
enough to be blamed. The "confession" is not genuine and those of
you standing up for this man and blaming the victim are disgusting.
It is shocking to read all these comments supporting Garn -- along the lines of
"he who has not sinned, cast the first stone." I have never and will never go
hot tubbing or have any other types of encounters with underage girls or a woman
who is not my wife. For those of you who know him, while he may be
a good person, he obviously has some serious issues. So maybe you don't know
him as well as you think.
Bravo to the Deseret News for having the integrity to not publish Garn's story
in 2002 just to get an uprising in readership.
Lets think reasonably, there must be more to the story if she's willing to come
out and make this public AFTER they made an arrangement for her to keep quiet
and risk him suing her for the money back right? I'm pretty sure something
illegal happened in that hot tub or somewhere else. Also, IF something illegal
happened, that hush money was actually be a bribe and how awesome would it be if
he paid his lawyer to document his illegal bribe!
Let it go and leave him alone. I say this and I am a woman.
Yep, Sue. Sue Garn. I am a woman, too. I was once 15 and I think Garn hasn't
paid enough. An adult who would take advantage of a minor and then turn it into
a media circus has not paid the price! There is a civil case that could be
pursued here, too. I hope the woman sues him and cleans him out entirely. What
he did on Capitol Hill to try to gain pity and support was reprehensible. His
public statement was pathetic and probably added much to the abuse he has
already dealt her. SUE AND SUE AND SUE.
This is absolutely unbelievable. Here is a now grown up woman talking about
something foolish that happened 25 years ago and she basically black-mailed this
lawmaker. Sure what Garn did was probably a misdemeanor at best and pretty
stupid but come on, it happened in his twenties. Most guys don't really grow up
till there married and in there thirties anyway, ask any woman this. If Garn is
faithful to his wife and doesn't mess around anymore I think this is best left
in the past. Nobody is perfect and he did not sexually assault this girl. I
think we are getting to a point where you have to be a saint to be a politician
and we all know that most politicians are anything but saints. Remember Bill
Clinton. And he didn't even resign. Lets grow up people and get real.
Jered,If it was only blackmail then yeah, let's be done with it. It isn't.
He was an adult. He had a position of responsibility with her. He paid the hush
money and then called the DNews every couple of years to see if more was going
to be said. I don't think he has told the whole truth. Also, who cares
about Clinton? What does that have to do with a Utah man committing sexual
crimes and then covering it up with money and tears and help from the staff of
the Deseret News? See related articles on how much the Deseret News knew.
I cannot believe that our elected officials would stand up and clap after a so
called "respected" official reveals his dirty dark secrets, which by the way is
illegal. If Garn would not have resigned there would be many people appalled
and I think this would stay in the lime light for a long time. Utah already has
enough dirty dark secrets, remember the polygamists who married very young girls
and now that I think of it they still do. Please remember those who represent
us are not perfect but they definitely should not be criminals, and take
advantage of young girls. It is too bad there is a statue of limitation
otherwise Mr. Garn would find himself in a cell where he belongs. By the way
where did he come up with $150,000.00 to pay her off? Remember the elected
official from Idaho who resigned after sliding his foot in the restroom which is
not criminal and he still resigned. It appears that almost every few days there
is a story about a politician who cheat, lied, and stole, whatever. By the ways
I see Ms Maher as a victim but also as an opportunist.
I am so ashamed this is the standard of our "leaders". Ashamed, as a group they
would get up and clap for this man who, even today, can't speak the truth and
whitewashes what he did. The multitude of offenses he committed are
a sad tale to many in our government. We need good, upstanding men as our
leaders to set a high bar for integrity and ethics. Anyone getting into
government needs to make sure their house is in order and without skeletons.
And yes, I believe there are men out their who live lives without despicable
Yes what he did was wrong but it also happened more than 20 years ago! And 25
years ago there weren't the kind of sex laws that there are today. This woman was a victim back when she was 15, that isn't the case when she
willingly signed an agreement in exchange for cash. She basically settled the
matter for $150,000. Looks like the money ran out and she was out for more.
But this time he was stupid enough to pay her off. Best to just own up to it
and move on.
Do you know the laws? I don't. His paying any money was most likely tampering
with a witness. I don't think it is legallly possible to agree to silence in
child abuse. He didn't own up, he threw a tantrum! Owning up would be going to a
police station and confessing quietly. Then they could corraborate the story and
charge him appropriately.
Another victory for great journalism in Utah....not really surprising though
Right on! Total agreement!
A fifteen year old is a minor = Child. Consent does not enter into the equation
in this case. Garn had been downright lucky to get so far without
exposure. He tempted fate and it has caught up with him. Well, he can relax now
and pay the true price, and start living a life of peace out of the public
eye.The DesNews probably made the right (tough) decision the first
time. However, when he decided to run for office again, they should considered
their obligation to the public. He had confessed to a legal offense for which he
had never been made accountable. The self-serving Hush money (what he called
"healing" money--oh my, how corrupt!) is evidence of a lack of true remorse.
I have no sympathy for the timing of his announcement. Pure
selfishness.Make no mistake, DesNews Readers, it's a big deal. And
in these times, if we have something this serious to hide, best to lie low
unless our motives are pure as new-fallen snow and we've nothing to gain. Garn's
behavior does not pass that standard.
Beware of those who scream "family values" the loudest. Garn fits into the
axiom that the more a politician goes out of his way to find immorality in
others (gays, etc), the more likely he is to be hiding something about himself.
But I didn't know that newspapers actually help politicians be hypocrites.
Garn can spin this all he wants but he will have to answer to GOD for what he
did. You can't omit and carefully select what information you want out there in
the eyes of GOD Mr. Garn.
know it was not just a "hot tubbing" incident! It is ridiculous to just believe
that. The woman claims they had a relationship...It is pretty naive if
people just think that one act didn't lead to others...And it is true that
no matter what transpired a juvenile is never held accountable and can't
"consent" so people should not blame her. Of course, she could be dishonest
now...we can't be sure of that. But if he admitted to "nude hot tubbing" it is
very naive to think there wasn't more...
This story is wrong on so many levels-not one person in this story behaved
appropriately. Garn should not have been in that hot tub-he most certainly
should not have paid her that "hush money"! Deseret News should have published
the story when they had it-what happened to the newspaper reporting the news!?
She should not have extorted money from Garn, that was wrong. Those "on the
hill" should not be treating him like a hero-he did 2 very wrong things, one was
25 years ago and one was 8 years ago-now or 30 years ago, it still goes to his
character. This is just awful.
It was a long time ago. The only people that care about this are people that
want to make political gain for themselves and their group.