Friends off court, the 2 guards battle hard on it
The stat lines are misleading. You have to understand that as a rookie the
Hornets just turned Paul loose and gave hime free reign. The Jazz chose to
develop Williams a little slower, even playing him at the 2 spot. Also, look at
the number of games that Paul missed due to injury. There is something to be
said for being durable also. Look at minutes played per game. Williams averages
33.7 min/game in his career. Paul averages 36.6 per game. You have to compare
apples to apples.
It's no coincidence that the Jazz are on an 8 game win streak at the same time
that Hart is injured, and Collins getting little or no time. Price is a far
better backup for Williams than Hart, yet Hart will probably take back Price's
minutes when he's healthy. As soon as Collins and Hart get back in the
rotation, this Jazz streak will end. That's how extraordinarily bad they are at
basketball.Jazz 106 Hornets 97
I would have to agree with DeronMVP. Hart is not only a horrible backup because
he plays lousy basketball, he also rubs off on all of the other players when he
is in the game. When Price has been the backup we usually add to our lead or
make a comeback. There is nothing more frustrating than watching Hart run the
last 20 seconds of a quarter. He sucks!!!! Price brings energy and more of a
threat. He plays better defense as well.
Jimmy is sick of comparing the two players. Jimmy wishes we could just all
agree that they are both good. Jimmy thinks Paul is having a better year this
season, but the Hornets are also asking more of him this year than the Jazz ask
Could we see stats for Williams and Paul's head to head match ups. It seems to
me that Williams outplays Paul head to head, but I may be a bit biased.
What is this comparing for ? It is for pushing them into stress and play only
for himself to be shown better ? It is the Williams of us(Jazz),good at his job
with his teammates, we believe. GO JAZZ.
Paul has an edge in stats but having watched Deron in the playoff I think he has
the edge in CLUTCHgo Jazz
I think D-Will should be more selfish in the game, making more shot attempts and
drive-ins. If only Sloan didn't tell him to share the rock first and then try to
shoot, he could've been making 30pts or more every game, I tell ya. The real
question is what is better for Jazz? And my answer is that it depends on the
game - if everybody is struggling from the field, D-Will should take the ball
and put it hard to the rack in every play.
Who can argue that Chris Paul should be an All-Star this year what with the year
he's having, the success of his team AND the fact that New Orleans is hosting
the game? Don't compare points and assists with these two guys because D-Will
has plenty of other scorer's on his team (Boozer, Okur, AK and now Korver) and
he competes with AK every night for assists. Paul has to do everything on his
team. I recently say a game where he scored 32 but his SHOOOTING GUARD, Mo
Peterson got zero. He has the opportunity - out of neccessity - to have bigger
numbers. Both players are great. There's just not enough room on the roster to
include D-Will this year. But he'll get there and both players will be
contributing to great games in the NBA for a long time to come.
lamonte, you're right. dmasta, you're wrong. B-ball is a team game, and what
really matters is who wins, particularly in the playoffs. I'll bet Karl Malone
would gladly have traded his MVP for a championship. Teams that rely on
individual talent usually don't do well in the playoffs. The teams that compete
play tough defense and share the ball, getting it to the player with the best
shot inside his range. Still, the Jazz must keep improving in order to win home
court advantage in the playoffs, which is critical because referees give most
close calls to the home team.
Did anyone notice that out of the two guard position we scored thirty points on
13/19 shooting and also had five steals. Brewer is playing well and so is
Korver. The two guard has become a solid position for the Jazz and if they
continue so will the win streak. I am thrilled with the way the rest of the
season looks and expect Utah to trounce New Orleans tonight. Go jazz
mulrich and lamonte you guys are awesome. good points. i second what mulrich
said. if we are so in to comparing their stats, how about we add the stat of
victories. who has won the majority of the games between williams and paul so
far? williams is dominating him. so paul can be the all star this year, we
jazz fans want wins, we want playoff success. williams has given us, and will
continue to give us, both. and williams WILL be an all star. we have our guy.
they have theirs. now lets see who wins tonight.
It is a fact that Chris Paul is a better all around player than Williams; Deron
is a very good player, but Paul is Superstar. What bothers me about this whole
thing is that Jerry Sloan made the final decision to go with Williams and he
admits he never saw Paul play in person. How did the Jazz not get Paul in for a
personal workout???? Because as always, jerry doesn't do his homework and
bullies the front office. Deron is great, but Sloan benched him behind McCloud
The funny thing is that it is only a rivalry to the fans and the media, not to
Williams and Paul.
Thank you anonymous! I'm glad to see that at least one Jazz fan can see that,
while Williams is great, the Jazz made the wrong decision in taking him over
Paul. Everyone here is so blind and refuses to believe that anyone could be
better then the infallible Williams. I love Williams, but I'd trade him for
Paul in a second, and anyone who wouldn't is ignorant.
How far did paul take the hornets in the playoffs last year?
The jury is still out for me on this comparison. Paul's numbers are better than
Williams but the Jazz have more talent and more playmakers than the Hornets
(despite the fact that the Hornets have a better record), and less is required
of williams which explains the difference. One thing everyone seems to forget
though is the performance of Williams in the playoffs last year. The playoffs is
what it is all about and Williams play was nothing but sensational. Paul has
not played in the playoffs yet, so it is hard for me to say which is the better
player. One thing is for sure, it will be hard to match Williams performance
Williams has his down side (turnovers) But the fact that Williams is more
durable is worth a lot. Williams does a lot of little things that makes him a
better fit for the Jazz. When Williams passes the ball he then runs underneath
and post up on miss matches or set screens for the big guys something Paul
cannot do. Both are good picks for their respective teams but Jazz took the
player who fit best not the best player. In the long run fitting in is more
important. We have seen how good players who don't fit in, fare in Utah.
I'm personally a fan of Williams over Paul but I'm probably biased. I think in
the long run, Williams will last longer in the NBA than Paul because he is a
tougher, bigger player. Even if Paul is better right now, I think Deron will
have an advantage in longevity. The Jazz made the better pick.
from fair weathered jazz fans.
the only thing that matters is deron fits the jazz paul doesnt and never would.
paul will fit in most places that he could go including the hornets but he would
never fit the style of the jazz deron is the best fit
Has paul been better this year? yes Shoul the jazz have taken pual over williams
in the draft? No, williams fits the jazz system and paul does not
nice name calling.so people who think williams is a better fit thanpaul are "ignorant"?why don't you take a look in the mirror if you want
to see someone "ignorant".
D-will better then Paul i Thinks So its true PAul great but you put both in the
east they wouldn't both be even consider to the All Stars maybe back ups if that
but in the west D-will has the up less mintues to play but better players to
play with, like paul in the west so is King James in the east, any diff there
not really, D-will is a better player to play with down the long run, he proved
it last year plyoff's. the Jaz will win in den this time and Ill be there. Jazz
fan true and though
I cannot believe that I am reading that Paul does not fit the Jazz system. Do
you have any idea what a "system" is???? Of course, Paul would fit the Jazz
system, he is a great passer, rebounder, defender, he is super quick, gets in
the lane at will, and is totally unselfish. He makes Tyson Chandler and West
great and they have the best record in the West.Someone should
"screen" these rediculous comments. By the way, Byron Scott is coaching the
west all stars, which is something Jerry Sloan has NEVER accomplished.
What does that mean, "Fit's the Jazz system?" How would Paul NOT fit in the
Jazz's system? He can pass, penetrate, set guys up, he's quick, and good foul
shooter, averages 2+ steals a game, and plays good defense. Sounds a lot like
Stockton to me. Williams is bigger - that's it. Paul has him in every other
area. Also, you build to system around the player, not the other way around.
"He doesn't fit the system" is just something people way when they're out of
Thanks for the facts that seem to be schewed everytime one or the other has a
great game. Look at the head to head comparisions and Williams has dominated. He
plays better within a team system, and doesn't have to take over a game. Look at
the game against the Mavericks where he took over and scored 41 points and
dominated the Mavericks, but the team lost. That is what Paul is asked to do
with his team, while Williams is asked to give assissts and points away for the
betterment of the Jazz. Williams had a horrible December that is why his numbers
are down this year, and Williams dominated Paul all last year. Don't be fooled
by the moment look at the big picture, and Paul would have sat just like
williams if he came to the Jazz.
If Chris Paul doesn't fit the Jazz system, than there is something wrong with
You are ignorant because if the Jazz had drafted Paul, you'd be saying the same
stuff about him... You're standing up for Williams because he's your guy, which
is great, but everyone outside of Utah knows that Paul is the better player.
Yes, Williams played great against the Spurs last spring, but they got
slaughtered in 5 games. Look at the numbers, watch him play a few games, and
then we can talk. Not only is paul better, but he'd fit better in the Jazz
system as well. He'd be better in the pick and roll, he's penetrate to the hoop
stronger, he wouldn't turn the ball over in key situations, and he'd get more
Chris Paul averages more assist per game, so he must be doing more then just
'taking over.' Also, the head-to-head matchup argument is a joke, because it's
only 4 games per year. Look at the other 78 games they play. Paul also doesn't
have much of a supporting cast around him, but is still getting more assists,
steal, and rebounds the Williams.
Both are great players and will prove to be for many years and am happy that
Jazz selected DWill. So far on head-to-head DWill has the edge and the
experience from last year playoffs. Only time will tell, but DWill have a more
durable body that will hold up for more successful years....
i love dwill, but he is no chris paul. chris paul is probably gonna win mvp this
year, dwill is a great pg but he will never reach the level paul has reached or
will continue to climb to.
I didn't see Chris Paul playing in the Western Conference Finals, so why does it
matter that D-Will and the Jazz got beat in 5 games?
That's just daft - as others have stated, basketball is a team game: you don't
design or alter a working system solely to accomodate one player; instead, you
acquire the pieces to make the system work.While it is true, that
Paul is a very good, with the potential to be great, player, I would question
whether he is *so* good and *so valuable that his presence necessitates
imploding a functional, successful system of operation.
Paul and D-Will are good players that will soon to be great players. If Paul
and D-Will has same numbers, in tonights game, but the Jazz win by 15 or 20
points who is the better player? The Jazz will win tonight and they will get
closer to my prediction of the 54 wins, I also predict that the New Orleans will
start to falter in February and March and Paul will start to struggle, because
his team will struggle.Go Jazz!
The Hornets Chris Paul became an Allstar because at the time his team was better
than Deron's Jazz. Deron started the season slow, but as we all have seen he is
playing out of his mind right now. Unfortunatley Allstars are not picked at the
end of the season like the Pro Bowl. Williams Jazz will end up on top of the
Northwest division. While in the end Paul's Hornets will be fighting for a
playoff spot. Who know maybe we will get lucky and get to see the two teams meet
in the playoffs. Deron Williams also has a lot of help on the team especially
when it comes to scoring. Also AK 47 racks in a lot of assists. So seeing that
Pauls stats are better doesn't suprise me. Paul has to do it all while Williams
has help. If Paul would have came to the Jazz and Williams to the Hornets then
the stats would be vice versa.
I like the stats but where are the turnover comparisons?
"outside of Utah everyone knows Paul is the better player" Oh really?
Everyone? That's one of the most asinine things I've heard all day. Yeah, Utah
got beat by a better San Antonio team, but as I recall, the hornets weren't even
in the playoffs. Spout off all you want about how you think Paul is better, but
until he actually takes his team deep into the playoffs, he's not better than
What's with the durable body argument? Who says that bigger means more durable?
Stockton, Nash, Billups, and Cassell, to name a few, are a small and all have
been very durable late into their careers. So can we just put this 'Williams is
bigger, so he'll be able to play longer' argument to rest?
Jazz players know this is a big matchup for D-Will and they usually step up big
to help Utah beat the Hornets for D-Will. In an article a while back, Kirilenko
told D-Will to not worry about playing "against Paul" and that his teammates
will help him. And we all know how hard it is to win in Utah. The fans
intimidate the h*ll out of those refs. LOL! It's been that way since the
beginning of time.
hello?!1 Chris Paul averages 2pt more and 1 assist and 1 more still per
game which makes him much much better than Deron Williiam? What? I dont think
so. though he does have slightly betters stats-they are not that much better.2 It is all about rolls. Chris paul is the Hornets go to scoring guy he
is going to score more points per game. Boozer is the jazzes go to scoring guy.
This is why Boozer and Paul are both all stars. You take away Boozer and Deron
becomes the go to guy and he puts up 30 points per game and is an MVP candidate
also. Further more the reason Paul has more assists is because the jazz share
the ball better than anyone. Once the ball leaves Williams hands it may go to
two others before a shot is taken. I will give Paul his well earned 1 more steal
per game though.3 Head to head D-will always shines against
Paul,Davis, Nash, Parker, etc....Go
JazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzPS D-will would win MVP also if he
were on the Hornets!
Dwill is going to go off tonight with 20+ points and 10+ assists. The jazz will
win by at least 7 points and all of the CP3 haters are going to have to come up
with some fanciful excuses.
make that "CP3 lovers". :)
The article said D-Will played in 208 games compared to CP3's 186. I think the
argument is legit.
Some good debate here. I lean toward the argument of what each is asked to do
and how it influences their stats which is the basis for the comparison. Can't take a thing away from Paul THIS year though because he has the
wins to go with the stats. That said I think D-Will could put up equal or
superior stats if "turned loose" like Paul is. We have many other players that
get involved with running plays/touching the ball and passing instead of just
Deron making nearly every pass like Paul does.D-Will shoots better
Paul steals more. Back and forth splitting hairs. I see no "chasm" Hollinger
referred to.People babble too much over these superstars. Why? These
indiviual "Superstars" have won how many championships lately? That would be
zero. T-Mac, Kobe, D-Wade, M. Redd, K. Garnett, and the list just goes on
(Paul???). They all pile up the stats individually but none of them win rings
until they get some help and decide to make all their teammates better.
Superstars pile up stats in the regular season. Good teams win playoff games.
I'll take the latter.Go Jazz!!!Anyone missing Mo
Peterson? Brewer is outscoring him!
Interesting arguements, however, one key point that no one has mentioned is that
Chris Paul plays for a much better and "up to date" coach than Deron does.
Scott is a young coach with inovative ideas, where jerry is stuck in 1969.
I'm just curious if anyone knows how well these two do against the big time
points in the game? Like how do they do when they play the Spurs and Parker? The
Pistons and Billups? Jason Kidd and the Nets? The Suns and Steve Nash? Whenever
I watch the Jazz play DWill always steps up and kills them. He put the Jazz on
his shoulders in the post season last year and made that happen. Yeah Paul is
good now in the regular season, but just like the Patriots just found out
yesterday, it's all about the post season!
you better be careful; all of the slowne lovers are going to flame you when they
get up from their naps.
Dwill takes a lot less shots per game. So if you are going to compare scoring,
look at the shooting percentage. The Jazz are one of the best rebounding &
passing teams in the NBA. They don't need Dwill to grab 6 rebounds to win, they
have other great rebounders and passers that help the team but not the stats.
CP3 is one of the best in the NBA at stealing the ball. Williams is much better
at going strong to the hoop. CP3 is playing a lot more minuets, so his stats
should be higher. Only time will tell which player will put the effort needed
on the defensive end to be great. Defense is hard to measure with stats. Both
are all-star calliber players, however, if I got to do the draft over again I
would still take Dwill first. These debates over who is better are
pointless. If CP3 was on the Jazz he would not have been rookie of the year,
Jerry would have gave him the rookie bench treatment. If Dwill was on the
Hornets he would score 24 points a game if he shot as much as CP3 needs to to
2 years ago I moved to a new town. It was too late to put a rec ball team
together so I just signed up and got put on a team. The kids on the team were
less than stellar to say the least and I ended up carrying the team through the
season. A few of the guys could shoot but as far as creating offense I was
alone. I scored probably 25 pts a game that season. Since I was taking a lot of
shots and the ball was usually in my hands the defense collapsed on me and I hit
guys for open layups and shots, thus racking up the assists. We were a fairly
small team with no true BIGMAN and since I lived in the lane I got my fair share
of rebounds for a gaurd. I'm small but quick so I often gambled on D and got a
few steals a game, but sometimes got burned. The team went to the playoffs but
lost our first game. This past year I played with some ballers I met at the rec
center. All my #'s went down, but we went to the championship.....and lost.
Moral of the story is role and team play trumps individual numbers every time.
P.S. for as slow as you all make Dwill out to be he sure blows past the
best defenders/quickest guys in the league a lot. Including; Bruce Bowen, Tony
Parker, Monte Ellis, Devin Harris, and Chris Paul. They all say after the games
that Dwill is deceptively quick. Little guys always look quicker.
D-Will and Chris Paul are both great! It's going to be great fun to watch them
compete with each other for another 15 years (I hope). The real travesty with
who is and isn't going to the all-star game isn't between those two, it's
between D-Will and Brandon Roy of Portland. Sure Roy is having a great year,
and Portland had the better record throughout December, was the surprise of the
league, and won like 13 games in a row. But now the Jazz have the better
record, are currently in the playoffs while Portland is out, and are heading in
the right direction while Portland is steadily sinking. D-Will and Paul should
both be in the all-star game, while Roy should be the one staying home.Oh,
and to "Dave" and "Ol' Pro", why don't you finally just give the Sloan bashing a
freaking rest already! Enough!!
Hey Moto X:I agree teams with a superstar need to be team players
but...How many teams without a superstar have won a
championship???You need that player who can can take over games when
needed. Deron is not that player, while he has had very good games I
have never seen him take over a game and neither is boozer who can do nothing
without some one to pass him the ball.While deron and boozer can be
piece of the puzzle, they are not that supertar player.Just another
reason the jazz will never win a championship.Paul in most
likelyhood will win a championship someday. while deron will known be as the
other very good point guard.
I agree with Sloan..He's our Stockton!..One quality I like about DWill over
Stockton is he'll take a shot when he's open. For a 50% shooter I felt that
Stockton passed up to many shots. DWill definetly fits the JAZZ system.
Throughout all those comments, there was no mention of defense except steals.
And from what I've read, everyone agrees that D-Will has MUCH better defense
than Chris Paul, despite him getting less steals. Many people would choose
D-Will over Paul, because he ACTUALLY HAS DEFENSE and is bigger.
D-Will is better and the biggest reason is that Deron is Durable, Chris in
injured alot and without him his team struggles, although Deron takes alot of
hard spills he never sits out a game. Deron is no John Stockton, (I don't think
anyone will ever mean as much to the Jazz as Stock did) he does have some
important similarities to Stockton he passes well, see's the floor very well,
and gets a couple of steals a game. Deron is better than Paul. I don't
understand you guys when you say CP would have fit the Jazz's system, no he
wouldn't have. I would take D-Will over Chris Paul anyday. Go Deron Go Jazz
Williams led the Jazz to the playoffs last year and were one of NBAs ellite now
they still are, and so are the hornets PREDICTION: Jazz 4th in NBA again Hornets
5th for a first round matchup...teams that pop up out of nowhere like the
Hornets fade...the Blazers have already started and the Hornets will too The
Jazz now have all the peices for a championship the Hornets do notJazzWilliams(ALLstarSHOULDhave)Brewer (Stealer)Korver
(3 point wonder)kirlinko ( defensive specialist as good as Bowen)Boozer(obvious)Okur (3 point wonder, and good shooter)Harpring
(frustrates offence with hacking)the reason the spurs took it all was
because they had 3 3point shooters on the floor at all times but they didnt play
through them.. they were a option on the drive and dish...the Jazz now have that
and more in Wiliams, Korver, Kirlinko, and Okur 4 3point shooters...the Hornets
have 3 pieces and need probly 4 more to have a good bech and starting lineup and
a deep bech(the only thing the jazz dont have is refs who call games
in thier favor)
Career projection:Paul - More individual accoladesWilliams - More rings.Nuff said.
everybody is saying that dwill is no chris paul. it can also be argued that
chris paul is no dwill