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Williams, Paul renew rivalry

Friends off court, the 2 guards battle hard on it

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  • MUCH NEEDED PERSPECTIVE!
    Feb. 4, 2008 12:32 a.m.

    The stat lines are misleading. You have to understand that as a rookie the Hornets just turned Paul loose and gave hime free reign. The Jazz chose to develop Williams a little slower, even playing him at the 2 spot. Also, look at the number of games that Paul missed due to injury. There is something to be said for being durable also. Look at minutes played per game. Williams averages 33.7 min/game in his career. Paul averages 36.6 per game. You have to compare apples to apples.

  • DeronMVP
    Feb. 4, 2008 12:43 a.m.

    It's no coincidence that the Jazz are on an 8 game win streak at the same time that Hart is injured, and Collins getting little or no time. Price is a far better backup for Williams than Hart, yet Hart will probably take back Price's minutes when he's healthy. As soon as Collins and Hart get back in the rotation, this Jazz streak will end. That's how extraordinarily bad they are at basketball.

    Jazz 106 Hornets 97

  • SH from KY
    Feb. 4, 2008 7:01 a.m.

    I would have to agree with DeronMVP. Hart is not only a horrible backup because he plays lousy basketball, he also rubs off on all of the other players when he is in the game. When Price has been the backup we usually add to our lead or make a comeback. There is nothing more frustrating than watching Hart run the last 20 seconds of a quarter. He sucks!!!! Price brings energy and more of a threat. He plays better defense as well.

  • Jimmy's Sneakers
    Feb. 4, 2008 7:15 a.m.

    Jimmy is sick of comparing the two players. Jimmy wishes we could just all agree that they are both good. Jimmy thinks Paul is having a better year this season, but the Hornets are also asking more of him this year than the Jazz ask of DWill.

  • mulrich
    Feb. 4, 2008 7:28 a.m.

    Could we see stats for Williams and Paul's head to head match ups. It seems to me that Williams outplays Paul head to head, but I may be a bit biased.

  • Sinan
    Feb. 4, 2008 7:50 a.m.

    What is this comparing for ? It is for pushing them into stress and play only for himself to be shown better ? It is the Williams of us(Jazz),good at his job with his teammates, we believe. GO JAZZ.

  • TMONEY
    Feb. 4, 2008 8:27 a.m.

    Paul has an edge in stats but having watched Deron in the playoff I think he has the edge in CLUTCH

    go Jazz

  • dmasta
    Feb. 4, 2008 8:27 a.m.

    I think D-Will should be more selfish in the game, making more shot attempts and drive-ins. If only Sloan didn't tell him to share the rock first and then try to shoot, he could've been making 30pts or more every game, I tell ya. The real question is what is better for Jazz? And my answer is that it depends on the game - if everybody is struggling from the field, D-Will should take the ball and put it hard to the rack in every play.

  • lamonte
    Feb. 4, 2008 8:29 a.m.

    Who can argue that Chris Paul should be an All-Star this year what with the year he's having, the success of his team AND the fact that New Orleans is hosting the game? Don't compare points and assists with these two guys because D-Will has plenty of other scorer's on his team (Boozer, Okur, AK and now Korver) and he competes with AK every night for assists. Paul has to do everything on his team. I recently say a game where he scored 32 but his SHOOOTING GUARD, Mo Peterson got zero. He has the opportunity - out of neccessity - to have bigger numbers. Both players are great. There's just not enough room on the roster to include D-Will this year. But he'll get there and both players will be contributing to great games in the NBA for a long time to come.

  • Rich
    Feb. 4, 2008 8:55 a.m.

    lamonte, you're right. dmasta, you're wrong. B-ball is a team game, and what really matters is who wins, particularly in the playoffs. I'll bet Karl Malone would gladly have traded his MVP for a championship. Teams that rely on individual talent usually don't do well in the playoffs. The teams that compete play tough defense and share the ball, getting it to the player with the best shot inside his range. Still, the Jazz must keep improving in order to win home court advantage in the playoffs, which is critical because referees give most close calls to the home team.

  • Boise
    Feb. 4, 2008 9:05 a.m.

    Did anyone notice that out of the two guard position we scored thirty points on 13/19 shooting and also had five steals. Brewer is playing well and so is Korver. The two guard has become a solid position for the Jazz and if they continue so will the win streak. I am thrilled with the way the rest of the season looks and expect Utah to trounce New Orleans tonight. Go jazz

  • Ezekiel
    Feb. 4, 2008 9:32 a.m.

    mulrich and lamonte you guys are awesome. good points. i second what mulrich said. if we are so in to comparing their stats, how about we add the stat of victories. who has won the majority of the games between williams and paul so far? williams is dominating him. so paul can be the all star this year, we jazz fans want wins, we want playoff success. williams has given us, and will continue to give us, both. and williams WILL be an all star. we have our guy. they have theirs. now lets see who wins tonight.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 4, 2008 10:13 a.m.

    It is a fact that Chris Paul is a better all around player than Williams; Deron is a very good player, but Paul is Superstar. What bothers me about this whole thing is that Jerry Sloan made the final decision to go with Williams and he admits he never saw Paul play in person. How did the Jazz not get Paul in for a personal workout???? Because as always, jerry doesn't do his homework and bullies the front office. Deron is great, but Sloan benched him behind McCloud and Palacio!!!!

  • A fan
    Feb. 4, 2008 10:16 a.m.

    The funny thing is that it is only a rivalry to the fans and the media, not to Williams and Paul.

  • John Rambo
    Feb. 4, 2008 10:32 a.m.

    Thank you anonymous! I'm glad to see that at least one Jazz fan can see that, while Williams is great, the Jazz made the wrong decision in taking him over Paul. Everyone here is so blind and refuses to believe that anyone could be better then the infallible Williams. I love Williams, but I'd trade him for Paul in a second, and anyone who wouldn't is ignorant.

  • memory
    Feb. 4, 2008 10:40 a.m.

    How far did paul take the hornets in the playoffs last year?

  • jlinds
    Feb. 4, 2008 10:41 a.m.

    The jury is still out for me on this comparison. Paul's numbers are better than Williams but the Jazz have more talent and more playmakers than the Hornets (despite the fact that the Hornets have a better record), and less is required of williams which explains the difference. One thing everyone seems to forget though is the performance of Williams in the playoffs last year. The playoffs is what it is all about and Williams play was nothing but sensational. Paul has not played in the playoffs yet, so it is hard for me to say which is the better player. One thing is for sure, it will be hard to match Williams performance last year.

  • RE: John Paul
    Feb. 4, 2008 10:43 a.m.

    Williams has his down side (turnovers) But the fact that Williams is more durable is worth a lot. Williams does a lot of little things that makes him a better fit for the Jazz. When Williams passes the ball he then runs underneath and post up on miss matches or set screens for the big guys something Paul cannot do. Both are good picks for their respective teams but Jazz took the player who fit best not the best player. In the long run fitting in is more important. We have seen how good players who don't fit in, fare in Utah.

  • Fatt
    Feb. 4, 2008 10:51 a.m.

    I'm personally a fan of Williams over Paul but I'm probably biased. I think in the long run, Williams will last longer in the NBA than Paul because he is a tougher, bigger player. Even if Paul is better right now, I think Deron will have an advantage in longevity. The Jazz made the better pick.

  • just a couple of comments
    Feb. 4, 2008 11:11 a.m.

    from fair weathered jazz fans.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 4, 2008 11:33 a.m.

    the only thing that matters is deron fits the jazz paul doesnt and never would. paul will fit in most places that he could go including the hornets but he would never fit the style of the jazz deron is the best fit

  • Jason
    Feb. 4, 2008 11:40 a.m.

    Has paul been better this year? yes Shoul the jazz have taken pual over williams in the draft? No, williams fits the jazz system and paul does not

  • re: john rambo
    Feb. 4, 2008 12:00 p.m.

    nice name calling.
    so people who think williams is a better fit than
    paul are "ignorant"?
    why don't you take a look in the mirror if you want to see someone "ignorant".

  • Jazz Fan in Nugget's Area
    Feb. 4, 2008 12:11 p.m.

    D-will better then Paul i Thinks So its true PAul great but you put both in the east they wouldn't both be even consider to the All Stars maybe back ups if that but in the west D-will has the up less mintues to play but better players to play with, like paul in the west so is King James in the east, any diff there not really, D-will is a better player to play with down the long run, he proved it last year plyoff's. the Jaz will win in den this time and Ill be there. Jazz fan true and though

  • re: jason and others
    Feb. 4, 2008 12:26 p.m.

    I cannot believe that I am reading that Paul does not fit the Jazz system. Do you have any idea what a "system" is???? Of course, Paul would fit the Jazz system, he is a great passer, rebounder, defender, he is super quick, gets in the lane at will, and is totally unselfish. He makes Tyson Chandler and West great and they have the best record in the West.

    Someone should "screen" these rediculous comments. By the way, Byron Scott is coaching the west all stars, which is something Jerry Sloan has NEVER accomplished.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 4, 2008 12:27 p.m.

    What does that mean, "Fit's the Jazz system?" How would Paul NOT fit in the Jazz's system? He can pass, penetrate, set guys up, he's quick, and good foul shooter, averages 2+ steals a game, and plays good defense. Sounds a lot like Stockton to me. Williams is bigger - that's it. Paul has him in every other area. Also, you build to system around the player, not the other way around. "He doesn't fit the system" is just something people way when they're out of logical arguments.

  • anonymous and John Rambo
    Feb. 4, 2008 12:28 p.m.

    Thanks for the facts that seem to be schewed everytime one or the other has a great game. Look at the head to head comparisions and Williams has dominated. He plays better within a team system, and doesn't have to take over a game. Look at the game against the Mavericks where he took over and scored 41 points and dominated the Mavericks, but the team lost. That is what Paul is asked to do with his team, while Williams is asked to give assissts and points away for the betterment of the Jazz. Williams had a horrible December that is why his numbers are down this year, and Williams dominated Paul all last year. Don't be fooled by the moment look at the big picture, and Paul would have sat just like williams if he came to the Jazz.

  • Phil
    Feb. 4, 2008 12:36 p.m.

    If Chris Paul doesn't fit the Jazz system, than there is something wrong with said system.

  • John Rambo
    Feb. 4, 2008 12:46 p.m.

    You are ignorant because if the Jazz had drafted Paul, you'd be saying the same stuff about him... You're standing up for Williams because he's your guy, which is great, but everyone outside of Utah knows that Paul is the better player. Yes, Williams played great against the Spurs last spring, but they got slaughtered in 5 games. Look at the numbers, watch him play a few games, and then we can talk. Not only is paul better, but he'd fit better in the Jazz system as well. He'd be better in the pick and roll, he's penetrate to the hoop stronger, he wouldn't turn the ball over in key situations, and he'd get more steals.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 4, 2008 1:00 p.m.

    Chris Paul averages more assist per game, so he must be doing more then just 'taking over.' Also, the head-to-head matchup argument is a joke, because it's only 4 games per year. Look at the other 78 games they play. Paul also doesn't have much of a supporting cast around him, but is still getting more assists, steal, and rebounds the Williams.

  • Santa Barbara JazzFan
    Feb. 4, 2008 1:07 p.m.

    Both are great players and will prove to be for many years and am happy that Jazz selected DWill. So far on head-to-head DWill has the edge and the experience from last year playoffs. Only time will tell, but DWill have a more durable body that will hold up for more successful years....

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 4, 2008 1:07 p.m.

    i love dwill, but he is no chris paul. chris paul is probably gonna win mvp this year, dwill is a great pg but he will never reach the level paul has reached or will continue to climb to.

  • Re: John Rambo
    Feb. 4, 2008 1:12 p.m.

    I didn't see Chris Paul playing in the Western Conference Finals, so why does it matter that D-Will and the Jazz got beat in 5 games?

  • re: Phil
    Feb. 4, 2008 1:32 p.m.

    That's just daft - as others have stated, basketball is a team game: you don't design or alter a working system solely to accomodate one player; instead, you acquire the pieces to make the system work.

    While it is true, that Paul is a very good, with the potential to be great, player, I would question whether he is *so* good and *so valuable that his presence necessitates imploding a functional, successful system of operation.

  • BWT
    Feb. 4, 2008 1:33 p.m.

    Paul and D-Will are good players that will soon to be great players. If Paul and D-Will has same numbers, in tonights game, but the Jazz win by 15 or 20 points who is the better player? The Jazz will win tonight and they will get closer to my prediction of the 54 wins, I also predict that the New Orleans will start to falter in February and March and Paul will start to struggle, because his team will struggle.
    Go Jazz!

  • T-Money
    Feb. 4, 2008 1:44 p.m.

    The Hornets Chris Paul became an Allstar because at the time his team was better than Deron's Jazz. Deron started the season slow, but as we all have seen he is playing out of his mind right now. Unfortunatley Allstars are not picked at the end of the season like the Pro Bowl. Williams Jazz will end up on top of the Northwest division. While in the end Paul's Hornets will be fighting for a playoff spot. Who know maybe we will get lucky and get to see the two teams meet in the playoffs. Deron Williams also has a lot of help on the team especially when it comes to scoring. Also AK 47 racks in a lot of assists. So seeing that Pauls stats are better doesn't suprise me. Paul has to do it all while Williams has help. If Paul would have came to the Jazz and Williams to the Hornets then the stats would be vice versa.

  • Big E
    Feb. 4, 2008 1:44 p.m.

    I like the stats but where are the turnover comparisons?

  • I love the comment
    Feb. 4, 2008 1:45 p.m.

    "outside of Utah everyone knows Paul is the better player" Oh really? Everyone? That's one of the most asinine things I've heard all day. Yeah, Utah got beat by a better San Antonio team, but as I recall, the hornets weren't even in the playoffs. Spout off all you want about how you think Paul is better, but until he actually takes his team deep into the playoffs, he's not better than Williams.

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 4, 2008 1:48 p.m.

    What's with the durable body argument? Who says that bigger means more durable? Stockton, Nash, Billups, and Cassell, to name a few, are a small and all have been very durable late into their careers. So can we just put this 'Williams is bigger, so he'll be able to play longer' argument to rest?

  • Big E
    Feb. 4, 2008 1:44 p.m.

    Jazz players know this is a big matchup for D-Will and they usually step up big to help Utah beat the Hornets for D-Will. In an article a while back, Kirilenko told D-Will to not worry about playing "against Paul" and that his teammates will help him. And we all know how hard it is to win in Utah. The fans intimidate the h*ll out of those refs. LOL! It's been that way since the beginning of time.

  • duh
    Feb. 4, 2008 2:24 p.m.

    hello?!
    1 Chris Paul averages 2pt more and 1 assist and 1 more still per game which makes him much much better than Deron Williiam? What? I dont think so. though he does have slightly betters stats-they are not that much better.

    2 It is all about rolls. Chris paul is the Hornets go to scoring guy he is going to score more points per game. Boozer is the jazzes go to scoring guy. This is why Boozer and Paul are both all stars. You take away Boozer and Deron becomes the go to guy and he puts up 30 points per game and is an MVP candidate also. Further more the reason Paul has more assists is because the jazz share the ball better than anyone. Once the ball leaves Williams hands it may go to two others before a shot is taken. I will give Paul his well earned 1 more steal per game though.

    3 Head to head D-will always shines against Paul,Davis, Nash, Parker, etc....

    Go Jazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    PS D-will would win MVP also if he were on the Hornets!

  • Predictions
    Feb. 4, 2008 2:36 p.m.

    Dwill is going to go off tonight with 20+ points and 10+ assists. The jazz will win by at least 7 points and all of the CP3 haters are going to have to come up with some fanciful excuses.

  • predictions edit
    Feb. 4, 2008 2:36 p.m.

    make that "CP3 lovers". :)

  • Re: Anonymous
    Feb. 4, 2008 3:14 p.m.

    The article said D-Will played in 208 games compared to CP3's 186. I think the argument is legit.

  • Moto X
    Feb. 4, 2008 3:18 p.m.

    Some good debate here. I lean toward the argument of what each is asked to do and how it influences their stats which is the basis for the comparison.

    Can't take a thing away from Paul THIS year though because he has the wins to go with the stats. That said I think D-Will could put up equal or superior stats if "turned loose" like Paul is. We have many other players that get involved with running plays/touching the ball and passing instead of just Deron making nearly every pass like Paul does.

    D-Will shoots better Paul steals more. Back and forth splitting hairs. I see no "chasm" Hollinger referred to.

    People babble too much over these superstars. Why? These indiviual "Superstars" have won how many championships lately? That would be zero. T-Mac, Kobe, D-Wade, M. Redd, K. Garnett, and the list just goes on (Paul???). They all pile up the stats individually but none of them win rings until they get some help and decide to make all their teammates better. Superstars pile up stats in the regular season. Good teams win playoff games. I'll take the latter.

    Go Jazz!!!

    Anyone missing Mo Peterson? Brewer is outscoring him!

  • Dave
    Feb. 4, 2008 3:26 p.m.

    Interesting arguements, however, one key point that no one has mentioned is that Chris Paul plays for a much better and "up to date" coach than Deron does. Scott is a young coach with inovative ideas, where jerry is stuck in 1969.

  • Where's the love
    Feb. 4, 2008 3:31 p.m.

    I'm just curious if anyone knows how well these two do against the big time points in the game? Like how do they do when they play the Spurs and Parker? The Pistons and Billups? Jason Kidd and the Nets? The Suns and Steve Nash? Whenever I watch the Jazz play DWill always steps up and kills them. He put the Jazz on his shoulders in the post season last year and made that happen. Yeah Paul is good now in the regular season, but just like the Patriots just found out yesterday, it's all about the post season!

  • re: dave
    Feb. 4, 2008 3:45 p.m.

    you better be careful; all of the slowne lovers are going to flame you when they get up from their naps.

  • Ryan
    Feb. 4, 2008 4:12 p.m.

    Dwill takes a lot less shots per game. So if you are going to compare scoring, look at the shooting percentage. The Jazz are one of the best rebounding & passing teams in the NBA. They don't need Dwill to grab 6 rebounds to win, they have other great rebounders and passers that help the team but not the stats. CP3 is one of the best in the NBA at stealing the ball. Williams is much better at going strong to the hoop. CP3 is playing a lot more minuets, so his stats should be higher. Only time will tell which player will put the effort needed on the defensive end to be great. Defense is hard to measure with stats. Both are all-star calliber players, however, if I got to do the draft over again I would still take Dwill first.

    These debates over who is better are pointless. If CP3 was on the Jazz he would not have been rookie of the year, Jerry would have gave him the rookie bench treatment. If Dwill was on the Hornets he would score 24 points a game if he shot as much as CP3 needs to to win.

  • Tony
    Feb. 4, 2008 4:38 p.m.

    2 years ago I moved to a new town. It was too late to put a rec ball team together so I just signed up and got put on a team. The kids on the team were less than stellar to say the least and I ended up carrying the team through the season. A few of the guys could shoot but as far as creating offense I was alone. I scored probably 25 pts a game that season. Since I was taking a lot of shots and the ball was usually in my hands the defense collapsed on me and I hit guys for open layups and shots, thus racking up the assists. We were a fairly small team with no true BIGMAN and since I lived in the lane I got my fair share of rebounds for a gaurd. I'm small but quick so I often gambled on D and got a few steals a game, but sometimes got burned. The team went to the playoffs but lost our first game. This past year I played with some ballers I met at the rec center. All my #'s went down, but we went to the championship.....and lost.

  • Tony
    Feb. 4, 2008 4:42 p.m.

    Moral of the story is role and team play trumps individual numbers every time.
    P.S. for as slow as you all make Dwill out to be he sure blows past the best defenders/quickest guys in the league a lot. Including; Bruce Bowen, Tony Parker, Monte Ellis, Devin Harris, and Chris Paul. They all say after the games that Dwill is deceptively quick. Little guys always look quicker.

  • Team Player
    Feb. 4, 2008 4:48 p.m.

    D-Will and Chris Paul are both great! It's going to be great fun to watch them compete with each other for another 15 years (I hope). The real travesty with who is and isn't going to the all-star game isn't between those two, it's between D-Will and Brandon Roy of Portland. Sure Roy is having a great year, and Portland had the better record throughout December, was the surprise of the league, and won like 13 games in a row. But now the Jazz have the better record, are currently in the playoffs while Portland is out, and are heading in the right direction while Portland is steadily sinking. D-Will and Paul should both be in the all-star game, while Roy should be the one staying home.
    Oh, and to "Dave" and "Ol' Pro", why don't you finally just give the Sloan bashing a freaking rest already! Enough!!

  • Anonymous
    Feb. 4, 2008 4:49 p.m.

    Hey Moto X:

    I agree teams with a superstar need to be team players but...

    How many teams without a superstar have won a championship???

    You need that player who can can take over games when needed.

    Deron is not that player, while he has had very good games I have never seen him take over a game and neither is boozer who can do nothing without some one to pass him the ball.

    While deron and boozer can be piece of the puzzle, they are not that supertar player.

    Just another reason the jazz will never win a championship.

    Paul in most likelyhood will win a championship someday. while deron will known be as the other very good point guard.

  • Mel Erickson
    Feb. 4, 2008 5:09 p.m.

    I agree with Sloan..He's our Stockton!..One quality I like about DWill over Stockton is he'll take a shot when he's open. For a 50% shooter I felt that Stockton passed up to many shots. DWill definetly fits the JAZZ system.

  • Defense?
    Feb. 4, 2008 5:09 p.m.

    Throughout all those comments, there was no mention of defense except steals. And from what I've read, everyone agrees that D-Will has MUCH better defense than Chris Paul, despite him getting less steals. Many people would choose D-Will over Paul, because he ACTUALLY HAS DEFENSE and is bigger.

  • A True D-Will Fan
    Feb. 4, 2008 5:18 p.m.

    D-Will is better and the biggest reason is that Deron is Durable, Chris in injured alot and without him his team struggles, although Deron takes alot of hard spills he never sits out a game. Deron is no John Stockton, (I don't think anyone will ever mean as much to the Jazz as Stock did) he does have some important similarities to Stockton he passes well, see's the floor very well, and gets a couple of steals a game. Deron is better than Paul. I don't understand you guys when you say CP would have fit the Jazz's system, no he wouldn't have. I would take D-Will over Chris Paul anyday. Go Deron Go Jazz

  • Manamana (dooo dooo doo do doo)
    Feb. 4, 2008 5:31 p.m.

    Williams led the Jazz to the playoffs last year and were one of NBAs ellite now they still are, and so are the hornets PREDICTION: Jazz 4th in NBA again Hornets 5th for a first round matchup...teams that pop up out of nowhere like the Hornets fade...the Blazers have already started and the Hornets will too The Jazz now have all the peices for a championship the Hornets do not

    Jazz

    Williams(ALLstarSHOULDhave)
    Brewer (Stealer)
    Korver (3 point wonder)
    kirlinko ( defensive specialist as good as Bowen)
    Boozer(obvious)
    Okur (3 point wonder, and good shooter)
    Harpring (frustrates offence with hacking)
    the reason the spurs took it all was because they had 3 3point shooters on the floor at all times but they didnt play through them.. they were a option on the drive and dish...the Jazz now have that and more in Wiliams, Korver, Kirlinko, and Okur 4 3point shooters...the Hornets have 3 pieces and need probly 4 more to have a good bech and starting lineup and a deep bech

    (the only thing the jazz dont have is refs who call games in thier favor)

  • Truth
    Feb. 5, 2008 3:19 a.m.

    Career projection:

    Paul - More individual accolades

    Williams - More rings.

    Nuff said.

  • jazzrock
    Feb. 5, 2008 3:48 p.m.

    everybody is saying that dwill is no chris paul. it can also be argued that chris paul is no dwill