Scott, Because the DirecTV-Liberty swap of DirecTV and the three
FSNs (RM, Pittsburgh, and NW) is being done as a tax-free asset swap, Liberty
cannot sell the RSNs for at least two years. I can't find an article stating
this, but I know its been repeated several times.
It all hurts the student athletes at MWC schools and the fans who want to watch
It just keeps getting better doesn't it!!! So what they are saying is CSTV and
FSN Rocky Mountain/Utah are going to be sold to Comcast. So basically, subscribe
to Comcast or you are screwed forever. National exposure, forget about it. It's
a thing of the past for BYU and Utah. Get out of the Mtn. Get out of CSTV. Beg
ESPN to take you back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't know who to hate more, Comcast or Craig Thompson. How long is are
contract with the Mtn? I wonder if the Pac 10 is looking for another team?
I think it would be a good thing if FSN Utah/Rocky Mountain could get the mtn
and put it into their channel. That would solve the distribution issue because
FSN is on every system. We can only hope this is how it shakes down. Getting rid
of the mtn. should be our first priority. Hopefully they can still lose money so
it will happen faster.
wow what a surprise. the desperate MWC jumped into bed with a high price call
girl and got left instead with a ...well you can guess. ESPN is laughing all the
way to the bank and now the meaningless joke in all of college football
athletics, the MWC, is left alone in the cold with no where to go. what is the
plan now? grovel to ESPN? well i stopped my season tickets to BYU cause i am not
traveling 3 plus hours to a game that starts on thursday nights at 8 pm or a
saturday game that starts at 8 pm. thanks to (the worthless,
meaningless joke that is) the MWC for proving once again to the entire college
sports world how much of a joke our schools are.
In your dreams, look how well Notre Dame is doing, as for prediction came true,
our pathetic conference is 4-1 in bowl games and would have probably ended up
5-0 if airforce QB doesn't go down. Who cares what bowl games they are, post
season play is post season play. Look how good Oklahoma looks with all thier
great appearances in BCS Bowls. Blame the Commissioner and even more so the
Athletic Directors of all the schools that allowed this to take place.
There seems to be no good way out. The MWC is a sinking ship; the level of play
(in football at least) is considerably worse than it was 8 years ago.
Basketball is the same at best. Recruiting is in the dumps (BYU and Utah's
football commit rankings are in the 50's; nobody else is even close). In two
years we'll be lucky to have any TV coverage at all. Does a 4-1 bowl record
help? Not with close wins when we were predicted to go 5-0 against inferior
match-ups.Such despair leads many to ask for BYU/Utah independence.
But that solves nothing: no TV contract, no FB-bowl/BB-tourney guarantees,
nobody wants to play us, and being independent in basketball is practically
impossible (just ask UVSC).Pac-10? Even though I'm a BYU fan, I
think they'd take Utah in a heartbeat, but has to take the whole package to keep
pairings and get to the magic 12, and BYU's "liabilities" (not Research I, no
Sunday play, etc.) kills the deal. But BYU is what it is, and shouldn't change
Wow, your responses are all a bit over the top. 1. No decisions on
the MTN are listed in this article. The MTN is a decent product, albiet flawed
in the fact that it spends too much time covering things with no national
interest (UNLV vs CSU Women's Volleyball? Seriously?)2. Who's to
say that Comcast would accept full ownership of the MTN? Knowing that it's
losing money, and that they are potentially MORE LIKELY to fail to get satellite
distribution with the sale, why would Comcast accept 100% liability?3. Alternatively, who's to say that Comcast wouldn't be MORE FREE to deal
with the satellites without interference from CSTV? Highly doubtful, maybe, but
possible.In short, you're all getting your skirts in a bunch over
something none of you are informed enough to have a rational opinion regarding.
Relax, take a deep breath, and step back from the ledge.
Wow! Remember when one of the big selling points was that we were told that the
MountainWestCon. was going to be the "FLAGSHIP CONERENCE" for the CSTV! This TV
mess is going to finally be the death of this terrible conference. Please BYU
and Utah, tell me you are planning for the end.
Hey, maybe something good will come of this debacle. If all else fails maybe the
whole MTN deal will fall apart and we'll be able to go back to playing on ESPN
(even if it is at wierd times).
I can see those mushrooms all over the country. Wow, did you see that at South
Jordan went up puff - that was our local comcast! You stink too Directv and
Let me clarify:Independent in football. Navy is independent and had
its own TV contract and bowl tie-in. Are you saying we can't do the same? Other sports to the WAC: They already said they would take us, so theres
your BBall tourney guaranty.Now means get to work on it now.
By the way I'd say Notre Dame is doing pretty well. They have their own TV
contracts, bowl tie-ins, national reptuation, top recruiting classes, attractive
scheduling, etc. Sounds pretty good to me.Yeah they had a bad
football season, but the fact that they didn't win with their talent should be
blamed on their coaches, not their status as an independent.
Lets Fase it. You can count on what ever happens with whatever comes with CBS,
FOX, CSTV, we are not even in the considerations.
The MWC should have stayed with ESPN...now look at the mess they are in!
I have thought the same thing over and over this past year. As soon as CSTV was
bought by CBS I wondered if they would care about the MWC. Take a look at their
Saturday mornings and see the SEC tailgate party. I hope someone out there
(Holmoe, Hill, Young, Samuelsen (sp?)) can get something done. Is it time to go
back to the WAC?
I think a few poeple need a reality check. Beg ESPN to take us back?!! Are you
kidding. Tuesday games. By the end of the contract ESPN only bothered to show
one game on ESPN2. The rest were pay per view. Maybe if you live in Utah and
get those on KJZZ thats ok, but anywhere else it sucked. I have seen more
basketball games live this year on BYUTV then I ever saw on ESPN and the ones
they bothered to show I had to stay up into the middle of the night to watch.
The CSTV deal sucks, but I think some of us are putting on rose colored glasses
when we look back at ESPN. They hated playing MWC games and did all they could
to avoid it. They only wanted us to fill out there free time. I would much
rather listen to a game over the internet on a Saturday afternoon then listen to
a game over the internet in the middle of the night on Tuesday. BYU just needs
to figure out a way to broadcast there own stuff. Every satalite subscriber has
BYUTV and every home in Utah has KBYU.
With the experience that both the U and the Y have at running TV stations, you'd
think they could have started up the station themselves and then sold it to ESPN
in a year or two, with a contract to show a certain number of MWC games.For that matter, an Internet-based channel would have been awesome.
Seems like a contract with Joost or another internet-TV station wouldn't be that
hard to work out. Charge 100 bucks for the football season and 100 bucks for
the basketball season or let people subscribe to individual games. That way,
anyone, anywhere that wants to watch can do so. Regular telephone service and
regular television service will not survive much longer to the new distribution
methods available through the Internet. It's surprising that new contracts are
even being signed regarding dying technology like plain cable TV.Since what happened in the past is all irrelevant now, it will be interesting
to watch and see if CBS sells off the mtn. or if they expand it and make it more
available. As it is, it is useless and does not make sense to keep. It has to
either grow or go away.
Let Brittany Spears handle the mtn.She'll have that thing driven off
a cliff by spring.
BYU TV should buy the rights to show all BYU games.
The college president killed off any exposure by dreaming of this super idea to
give the MWC recognition. They should have had an agreement in hand, that stated
games would be carried by major cable companies and the satellite providers
before they said no to ESPN. They ASSUMED and you all know what that word
means.They need to put they're collective egos to bed and end this misery.
There is no way a MWC team can get the same exposure even a Mid America or WAC
can get.Voters in the polls have no idea how good BYU might be because
they have never seen them play.Consider the offer from ESPN $800,000 vs
"the mnt" at $1,000,000. $200,000 difference divided by the nine teams is a
paltry $22,200 per school. That's less than the presidents pay for catering in a
year.Athletic Directors should run the athletic programs, "the always went
home the first time their momma's called, never got their pants dirty",
presidents haven't a clue. Write to Young and Samualson telling them to drop
"the mnt" and beg to go on ESPN even if that means Wednesday night games
starting at midnight.
Make Britney Spears commissioner of the MWC, driving it off a cliff would be an
improvement over what Thompson's done with it. Are Fred and Britney still
together??? oh, maybe that was kFed, not Fred...
I love the new schedule. There have been a few odd games but still Football
Saturday at noon and Basketball @ 7:00 is right
if only the wac stayed at 10 schools.things would be better now. !!
Stupid, stupid, stupid...
Everyone thought BYU could never leave the WAC, and never would. It is time to
leave the MWC. Beg for an invite from the PAC 10. Make it a super
conference with championship football games. BYU and UTAH would fit perfectly
with the 4 California, 2 Arizona, 2 Oregon and 2 Washington teams. Leave the
"Non BCS" teams and leagues in the PAST. It will become an irrelevant past in
no time, like BYU Academy. Lets join the Big Boys, with big time recruits and
big money. Lets stop wining about our share, and start asking for our share.Both schools would bring a lot to the PAC 10.Adjustments can be made to
PAC 10 schedules ect. Sunday games with BYU won't happen, tournaments on Sunday
don't happen anymore. A North and South division can put the UT, WA, and OR
teams in a division with no Sunday games.I'm sick of groveling for crumbs
at the big boys table. Lets grow up! Leave Wyoming, Boise State, Nevada,
Hawaii. UTAH and BYU should campaign together for this goal, then go back
to bashing eachother as PAC 12 rivals. Being a Mid-Major SUCKS MAJOR
I like all the passion here reguarding "The Mtn" If everyone here would just
flood "The Mtn" with emails on everything I read here, Maybe just maybe "The
Mtn" would wake up and do something.. Kim Carver and Thompson have to know how
we feel. It would be nice if these two would send out a press release stating if
The Mtn is dead in the water or if there is life in this channel.To
the PAC Ten wantabees!! The PAC TEN does not want UTAH or BYU. Get over it!
If CBS bails what will probably happen is rebranding to a regional Comcast
sports network remaining in the digital premium (pay) cable space similar to
where CSTV and mtn are now. That network will be hungry for programs and the
MWC could be the focus. But Comcast will still refuse to deal with satellite
providers and the competing cable companies unless there is a kick back on
subscriber fees and commercial revenue. Moving to the PAC 10 is a
pipe dream because there's no current financial motivation to expand. And it's
painful to hear, but if CBS doesn't want the MWC, why would its competitor
ESPN?Now would be a good time to call that high-priced attorney to
explore any loopholes for getting out of this lame TV contract once and for all.
BYU-TV is likely the best interim option for local & national fans alike, but
the high cost of televising a full schedule of games will become an issue sooner
or later without a way to generate offsetting revenue. Get ready for more
How about we all get together and call DirecTV or Dish Network and Request the
mtn???;-)Good Idea or What???
the PAC 10 has said before it is more likely to take UTAH and not BYU. The
problem has to do with BYU and its research capabilities or lack of. since UTAH
and BYU seem to be a package deal the PAC 10 (assuming it would expand) will not
bite. it may be time for UTAH and BYU to split ways for the good of both
schools. expansion to the east is unlikely but there may be more of an option
for BYU. dream about PAC 10 all you want it will never happen for BYU. the MWC
is absolutely meaningless especially now. if BYU or UTAH keeps trying to be the
flagship school for this conference they will be meaningless as well. that is a
sad eventuality but a true one. keeping the company of wyoming and new mexico
does nothing in the long term. as i have said before meaningless conference with
a worthless television deal. shame on everyone involved.
i had a cool idea. Make a new conference! Take the four best from the wac and
mnt west and make a much improved conference. Imagine this.... BYU, UTAH, TCU,
NEW MEXICO, BOISE STATE, HAWAII, FRESNO STATE and NEVADA, now doesnt that sound
like a much more interesting conference? We could call it the Mid- Western
Conference. what do you think?
Independent? Notre Dame?Sir, I know Notre Dame, and BYU is *no*
Notre Dame.Go ahead, go independent. It'll hasten the day to BYU
playing in 1-AA or DII.(Oh, and Pac-10? Riiiiiight.)
1. our fan base is largest in CA, AZ, WA - not Co, Wyo, NM2. recruiting
base is also best on West Coast3. better competition and recruiting would
long term make BYU better (eg. ASU from 70's to now)4. access to bigger
media markets, exposure for church5. BCS conferenceSure, BYU
does not have a strong hand to play, but needs to push. I don't understand the
mentality of some being content to stay where we've been for the last 30
years??! Surely we could do as well as UA, OSU, WSU...Perhaps the
poor media coverage of the LDS church and Utah vis-a-vis the Romney campaign has
helped a few of you in Utah to wake up to the fact that you are still an
obscure, misunderstood place to the outside world. It's time we aim higher.
I hate the mtn.!!
Memo to all you MWC fans. We are in a world of hurt with this so-called TV
deal. CBS now owns CSTV? That shows you how smart they are. The only reason
the MWC signed up this phoney TV package is the universities want to get more
fannies in the stadiums. Take a look at the actual attendance at MWC games in
terms of the capacity of the stadiums. Going with a TV deal like this simply
shows the ineptitude of the conference/universities. I didn't like the ESPN
deal either. Playing games on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, etc. is not
good.....and at 9 or 10 pm.....that's bizarre.
Personally I think BYU and Utah should leave the conference. MWC is a sinking
ship and regardless of what CBS or any cable company does, they will get the
shaft in the end. They should both leave for the Pac-10. Be bold!If the wimps in the athletic offices can't stomach such a move, then consider
this: if BYU can afford to broadcast their games on their own religious channel
(that surprisingly a lot of people get), why can't the U just buy some coverage
from them? While it pains me to write such blasphemy, the channel already
exists. Or Utah could put its games on the internet - my wife watches sitcom
type stuff on the internet all the time and it works great. I'm afraid though
the Utah and BYU's top dogs like mediocrity, so sadly I am most likely writing
this in vain.
Ha Ha Ha
Well, it may not be the best solution but you can always catch the game on the
radio thanks to the BYU Radio station on satellite. As they call the plays it
just takes concentration to create your own picture in your head.
The mtn. is a killer concept. I love the fact that there is a channel all about
the MWC. But 'til Comcast let's go of their greed it will never be readily
available to everyone. I can't get Comcast where I live!The whole idea of
forming a new conference with the best WAC and MWC schools is absurd. Do you
honestly think the WAC and MWC will let their money-making schools go! NO!The PAC-10 will never open up to Utah or BYU. That is another absurd idea.
They would have to change their name to the PAC-12, and then would they play for
a conference title in football? They don't want that.Only solution is the
Britney Spears idea or get Comcast to swallow some pride and money. I think the
Britney Spears solution is more realistic.
Leaving for the PAC10 would be great, but come on they don't want either team.
Look at the reality of the BCS, it is much harder for a team to get into the
championship game if they have to play a confrence championship game. This has
helped USC several times over the past few years and I don't see them or the
rest of the PAC10 changing that any time soon.
I think the only way out of this mess is to do what Boise State does,
play the games ESPN wants to televise nationally and the rest of the games put
on locally, Boise State has a statewide TV network, and ESPN puts those games on
gameplan, kind of makes all the games available nationwide for those intersted
in watching. MWC schools can do the same thing, it isn't rocket science.Sorry for all your problems, playing on odd days isn't great, but we sell out
everygame no matter when we play.GO BRONCOS
I'm sorry but it seems like the vast majority of the people on here have no clue
of the realities that face BYU and Utah. First, the PAC-10 does NOT want either
school. They might laugh if we beg, but it will not change anything. It costs
millions to support a D-1 athletic program. ESPN's offer (besides horrible
scheduling) was a joke. CSTV offered to put $$$ in the athletic programs. Yes
there was a risk, but it was necessary. BYU-TV can not afford to put the kind
of money into BYU that they need. BYU/Utah fans are cheap. They want
everything for free or nearly free. Good season tickets to BYU football are a
bargain compared to most other D-1 schools. BYU would charge more if they could
but you all would scream bloody murder. Cougar Club donations are small
compared to other D-1 schools. Independence has major problems associated with
it. In short, you all want your cake and eat it too. Most of you
have no idea what you are talking about. Get your heads out of the clouds and
try to be a little bit realistic. PLEASE!!!
Huh? You said, "CSTV offered to put $$$ in the athletic programs. Yes there
was a risk, but it was necessary." Please explain WHY the risk was
necessary; and, more importantly, how the MWC is now better off as a result if
CSTV is sold out. I also find your use of 'we' and 'most of you' revealing if
not denigrating. If you're such an expert, bring a solution instead of just
pointing a finger.
This is just another glitch in the messed up world of the Mountain West
Conference. We just got through a meaningless bowl season where the league
champion BYU plays a fifth place team from the PAC, where Utah plays in the
afterthought-to-the-Holiday-Bowl-bowl game, where New Mexico designs its own
bowl against a 6-6 WAC team, where Air Force plays in the
game. TCU probably has the best bowl game in Houston, but it isn't even
officially tied to the MWC. At least the Liberty Bowl was between two conference
champs.The mtn. is about the same. Why did the MWC sign a deal without
knowing distribution rights? These days anyone with a video camera and a PC can
call themselves a TV station. Utah, BYU do something. Get out of the
league, drastically change the leadership of the league or go out on your own.
TAKE control of your future.
Just put the games on the internet. There's really nothing to lose. At a
minimum, it escapes BYU/UTAH sealing their current fate as relevant
in-state-only schools. Before the mtn, at least they had a regional following.
I live in AZ, a neighboring state, and can't get any coverage of BYU.
Frustrated, I've become a loyal ASU fan (even though I never went to ASU). the
mtn, what a fan-base killer.