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Dick Harmon: BYU's grid schedule has a vacancy to fill

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  • David
    Jan. 3, 2008 6:18 a.m.

    Uh-- who will laugh at their schedule when compared to Hawaii's 07 schedule. I think the
    measuiring stick for respect has shifted from
    quality opponents to number of wins. Fear of lawsuits has put BCS members in a kinder and
    more appeasing state of mind.

  • Confused
    Jan. 3, 2008 7:13 a.m.

    I couldn't make sense of the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs. The 2nd makes it sound like Holmoe considers Nevada to be a I-AA school, then the 3rd contradicts that. Is this poorly written or am I just reading it wrong?

  • G
    Jan. 3, 2008 7:23 a.m.

    The biggest problem with scheduling is getting the return games. You can point to Fresno and say 'look at all the BCS teams they play' but they're playing a majority on the road, a huge disadvantage. BYU has done a great job of getting Notre Dame, USC, UCLA, Washington, and Georgia Tech to come to Provo. I think BYU has the right idea to play 1 BCS team at home, 1 BCS team on the road, 1 Nevada / Tulsa type team, and 1 Utah State / E. Washington team (just one).

  • Big Al
    Jan. 3, 2008 7:23 a.m.

    Not sure what all the scheduling brew-ha-ha is about. Last year's BCS championship teams, Ohio State and Florida, both played incredibly powder-puff non-conference schedules, and nobody seemed to bring that up. If BYU has to fill the Nevada game vacancy with a lower division school, it seems that's just the pattern already commonly practices by the BCS conference schools. Why the flap?

  • Aplman
    Jan. 3, 2008 7:30 a.m.

    Go Cougars. If they are going to schedule down I would give SUU or Weber first dibs. No reason to take it out of state. Much will depend on the schedules of other teams. Nevada was very dishonest in pulling out of the game the way that they did. I would never schedule them again. Go Cougars.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 3, 2008 7:43 a.m.

    If Mendenhall wants any respect for his program than he would follow Fresno State mantra of anyone, anytime, anywhere.

    Scheduling 2 middle to lower BCS programs isn't all that difficult if BYU really considers themselves a top 15 program. And after hearing Mendenhall tell all of the BYU campers last summer that they are a top 15 program, then go out and prove it.

    In my opinion, the goals of BYU's program should be getting back on ESPN, scheduling quality opponents, and continue to dominate the MWC. The allure of the BCS is fools gold (besides the money) if they get there unprepared like Hawaii..

    If BYU beats 4 BCS teams in a year then they'll be somewhat prepared for a BCS game..

  • Ranked?
    Jan. 3, 2008 8:04 a.m.

    The rankings are biased, so to judge a strength of schedule by rankings is bogus. They say BCS conferences are the best, which raises their strength of schedule, and then they bias all of their rankings upwards, thus proving their own point. We need a playoff, or at least computer ONLY based ranking system that does not allow voters prejudice, bias, ignorance, or ulterior motives to determine rankings.

    If we don't believe the fairness of rankings now then how can we judge them from the past, during BYU's "glory" days.

  • UTEP
    Jan. 3, 2008 8:19 a.m.

    Hey Dick, didn't BYU lose to UTEP in 85?

  • tabby tiger
    Jan. 3, 2008 8:19 a.m.

    Fresno State would be a great team to play...doubt that they have a vacancy at the right time however.

  • Scheduling...
    Jan. 3, 2008 8:20 a.m.

    If they want a lower tiered team, why not schedule in state schools like Utah State or Weber State? At least those will draw fans to watch the game...

  • how about...
    Jan. 3, 2008 8:22 a.m.

    Pine View High School? The are just as good or better than Eastern Washingon...That should help out

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 3, 2008 8:22 a.m.

    I say we play Utah twice. Nothing i would like more than one win over Utah, would be two...hehe It is not fair it only happens in basketball

  • Bottom feeder
    Jan. 3, 2008 8:23 a.m.

    You hafve padded your schedule with two weak PAC-10 schools.... now you want to bottom feed. That's the ay to get out of the MWC and into a real conference....

    If you do bottom feed.... go for Appalachian State or equivalent....

  • Sugar Bowl Observer
    Jan. 3, 2008 8:25 a.m.

    Schedule QUALITY!!!

  • Playoffs4Me
    Jan. 3, 2008 8:28 a.m.

    This could all be solved with a playoff system.

  • wrong number
    Jan. 3, 2008 8:31 a.m.

    Boise State would love to schedule another MWC patsy. They would love to roll over BYU, Utah, or anyone else. Probably a good thing Nevada cancelled - BYU would never get ranked after getting spanked by a WAC team.

  • BCS Football
    Jan. 3, 2008 8:35 a.m.

    I hate to break it to everyone, but BCS conferences are way ahead of non BCS conferences. You can't in your right mind think that the Mountain West could compete with the Pac 10, Big 12, SEC, or ACC. Maybe, the MWC could come close to the Big East, but I'd take the Big East champ over the MWC champ any year. So for all you who think the voting is biased, you need to get out and watch some real football.

  • Josh
    Jan. 3, 2008 8:37 a.m.

    The question is wether they want a BCS Bowl game or a championship. Either way, they need to go undefeated, but a third BCS opponent could make a difference if a similar season were to happen that did this year, in getting into the championship.(still a long shot, though)

  • true blue
    Jan. 3, 2008 8:50 a.m.

    To confused: Most of the dn's articles are poorly written.

    To adress the scheduling issue. Take a page out of USC's book pete caroll has the same anyone, anytime, anywhere attitude. He is also in favor of a playoff. On the other hand Auburn cost themselves a shot at the national championship by scheduling a patsy. Hawaii was a better team than they showed in the bowl game, but they never played a team with that speed. On the flip side they didn't care less because $13 million dollar payout.

    I think at this point BYU knows they don't have a shot at a Natn'l title, so they're going for the payout.

  • OK in BCS Game
    Jan. 3, 2008 9:03 a.m.

    BYU should face OK in the Fiesta next year. The Y would win. Ha, Ha, Ha!!!

  • Mendenhall lover
    Jan. 3, 2008 9:07 a.m.

    Colorado School of Mines has a spot in their schedule. That would be a step towards the BCS, right Bronco.

  • Ernest T. Bass
    Jan. 3, 2008 9:13 a.m.

    They should play Utah State.
    Coach Bronco Mendenhall will coach them to a Nat Champ within two years.

  • BCS Conferences ARE Different
    Jan. 3, 2008 9:13 a.m.

    This was an interesting article. I have to admit that back in the "glory days" BYU was like the 12 year old in the neighborhood who alway plays sports with the 8 year old kids and struts around because he thinks he is so great.

    I'm with the poster "BCS Football". The BCS conferences are at a different level than the MWC and other mid-majors. "Big Al" railed on the non-conference schedules of OSU and Florida last year. Are you kidding me? An SEC or Big 10 conference schedule would chew the Cougars up and spit them out. This year's Cougar team would not even have a winning record in the Big 10 or SEC.

  • SoCalTrueBlue
    Jan. 3, 2008 9:22 a.m.

    BYU lost to Nevada a few years back due to Crowton not taking them seriously and flying BYU over the morning of game day rather than the day before. Nevada would have been killed by BYU in Provo in 2008, and pulled out rather than facing the creaming. BYU should sue Nevada for breach of contract. BYU should avoid another Eastern Washington on its schedule. The BCS teams can get away with patsie opponents during the non-conference portion of their schedule because of the strength of their conference opponents. BYU cannot get away with it because the rest of the country doesn't respect the Mountain West for what it is: the strongest football conference outside the BCS, by far. I would love for BYU to play Boise State again, who showed through their recent bowl loss that they aren't as good as they think they are.

  • BYU Money
    Jan. 3, 2008 9:29 a.m.

    First off BYU only cares about the money based on the $25 premium they put on their bowl tickets.

    Second Bronco leads us on about how tough the Mountain West is so we need to schedule easy teams as filler. Big Al Florida and Ohio State schedule filler because the conferance schedule truley is tough. Pac 10, Big 12, SEC, and ACC are way better top to bottom than the Mountain West. #2 Air Force lossing to #6 Cal proves this.

    UNLV, Wyoming, San Diego, Colorado State, New Mexico and Air Force should be the filler on the BYU schedule. When we start acting like we went undefeated two seasons in a row and Start scheduling quality teams out of conferance not the middle of the road Pac-10 but Georgia, LSU, Ohio State, Michigan, Florida then we will not only be worthy of a BCS Bowl but a shot at the National Championship.

  • Honestly
    Jan. 3, 2008 9:37 a.m.

    Some of you people don't have a clue. Most schedules are worked out 4 to 5 years in advance. When UCLA and Washington were scheduled, they were pretty good teams -- as was Florida State which is on the 2009 schedule. And they may all be pretty good again by the time we play them. BYU has scheduled some great game during the past few years, as has Utah. Utah is going to the Big House next year, and not for the first time.

    Get off your high horses fellow BYU fans. We are not even assured of winning the conference. Look at the schedule. All of the teams that went to bowls from the conference, except New Mexico, will play us at their place. While the offense may be pretty good, the defense loses a lot of players.
    Let's let the guys who are paid to coach and schedule do their jobs and enjoy the ride.

  • BIg 10 is a tough schedule?
    Jan. 3, 2008 9:43 a.m.

    Are you kidding me, besides Ohio St and Michigan you have middle of the road teams. Illinois lucked into the BCS this year and USC's whooping of them proved it. The SEC is the only conference that can legitimalely schedule patsy's for non conference games because half of their conference is in the top 25. the Big 10 had three and one of those teams lost to App. St. Even the ESPN and other nat'l announcers cringe when they talk about the BIG 10 strength of schedule.

  • BCS FOOTBALL
    Jan. 3, 2008 9:49 a.m.

    Except 2004 evidently

  • over the line
    Jan. 3, 2008 9:53 a.m.

    To: ...how about (Jan 3, 8:22) As an Eastern Washington alum, you done crossed the line. A little respect for my Eagles huh? As a season ticket holder at the Y, I want the biggest and best they can get. You've got to beat the best to feel you can beat them in a BCS game...ask Hawaii.

  • Honestly I agree
    Jan. 3, 2008 9:54 a.m.

    I've been looking at the conference for next year and it's going to be tough. BYU plays at Utah, Air Force and TCU. Two of three won their bowl games and the 3rd nearly won. It will be tough to go 7-0 in conference next year but with our returning cast on offense I'm excited for some fun games. I would like to see BYU schedule another BCS school, that is the way to a nat'l title. Beating E. Washington, Utah St., etc just goes to show the big boys we're scared to play them.

  • Idaho Cougar Fan
    Jan. 3, 2008 9:55 a.m.

    RE: BCS Football - "I'd take the Big East champ over the MWC champ any year." Before you make a ridiculous comment like that, think just a little bit. Utah beat the Big East Champ just a couple years ago in their BCS bowl game. I know the MWC is not as good as all of the BCS conference teams, but I think teams like BYU and Utah could compete pretty well some years. I don't think they would be at the bottom every year like Stanford, Syracuse, Duke, Vanderbilt, and the like. We aren't the best, but we sure aren't the worst.

  • Mark in Peoria
    Jan. 3, 2008 10:01 a.m.

    --Big East Champ over MWC champ everytime? Apparently that person didn't watch the Utah v Pitt Fiesta Bowl...

    --Oh and MWC teams typically do well against the Big-East---or are at least on par with them the past several years (think Utah at Louisville this year, for instance). Check your facts before you go buying into ALL the BCS crud.

    --Even the SEC has yet to truly prove their omnipotent presence during the bowl-season (did you catch the Arkansas or Florida games?).

    --So what if BYU wants to pat it's schedule. It will help get them to 10 wins.

    --If BYU is not going to try and schedule a BCS team, I think Utah State or Weber State would be good for BYU filler. If you're going that route, you might as well schedule an "instater".

  • Kevin of Arkansas
    Jan. 3, 2008 10:01 a.m.

    I have to disagree that the BCS schools are at a different level. Non BCS schools are 2-1 against their counterparts in BCS bowls. Furthermore, the advantage that BCS schools have (in recruiting)would evaporate if there was equality among the money and a shot at the national title was availabe to everyone.

  • Critic
    Jan. 3, 2008 10:18 a.m.

    Is this article about next year's schedule, previous years' schedules, past BYU QB's records...? I can't tell where Dick is going with this one.

  • Jay
    Jan. 3, 2008 10:23 a.m.

    Coach Hill, Fresno State, put it best,
    "we will play anyone anytime. I remember when BYU did the same. Added Georgia at Georgia (with Hershal), added Florida State when they were the best in college football, added Texas A&M to start the season. I get so sick of the North West South Washington's and the South West East Illinois's. If BYU adds another patsy I hope they go undefeated and play Georgia in the Sugar Bowl with the same results. With the team the Y is getting back next year I would be talking to Florida State not North South West East Iowa. Jay Nielsen

  • The bar
    Jan. 3, 2008 10:31 a.m.

    If Bronco is really raising the bar with the team, he needs to do it with the scheduling too. Playing Eastern Washington's is not raising the bar. We need to known as the team who schedules well, and two BCS and two D-1 teams is just great, as long as those D-1 teams aren't Army's nor USU's. The SEC is pathetic because they think they play such tough conference schedules so they schedule pathetic teams out of conference. If a SEC team scheduled decent competition, that team would get more respect than any other SEC team. BYU needs to schedule well. Even with 2 losses a year, with great teams scheduled, that will do wonders for the program.

    PLEAST DON'T SCHEDULE WEBER'S!!!!!

  • Oregon Cougar
    Jan. 3, 2008 10:39 a.m.

    I would rather play and lose to 3 BCS programs a year than play and win against 3 weaklings (Eastern Washington, USU, etc). We have a built-in soft schedule with UNLV, SDSU, Wyoming, and CSU and sometimes they beat us! BCS teams have to beat a minimum of 8 other BCS teams to win a championship. If we can't beat 3 BCS teams a year we don't deserve a BCS game. Fresno State is respected by everyone in the country because they schedule tough non-conference games. Let's follow their pattern and EARN respect, not try to buy it.

  • Re: Kevin of Arkansas
    Jan. 3, 2008 10:40 a.m.

    "Furthermore, the advantage that BCS schools have (in recruiting) would evaporate if there was equality among the money and a shot at the national title was available to everyone". You can't be serious. The way I figure it, even if all of the fairy land stuff you said comes true, teams in the MWC would still be recruiting players to small towns in the Intermountain West to teams very few know anything about. Oh, and if you go to BYU you will have to obey an honor code and attend school on a campus with basically no diversity to speak of. Sounds like a great way to get top recruits 2 and 3 deep at every position.

  • Ute Man
    Jan. 3, 2008 10:44 a.m.

    Of course, it is impossible for BYU to get to the BCS with this upcoming schedule. How can anyone look respectably at there schedule? They will for sure schedule eastern washington or something like that again. Get a life cougs! Go Utes!

  • Why doesn't BYU schedule...
    Jan. 3, 2008 10:47 a.m.

    If they are looking for an easy victory, why doesn't BYU schedule a local Utah school, like Weber State, Utah State, Dixie, or SUU?

    A game against Boise state would be great!

  • Fair weather fans
    Jan. 3, 2008 11:00 a.m.

    A large majority of fans only want to watch a winning team, they could care less if against E. Wash, Cent. Ill, etc.
    Holmoe and Mendenhall apparently understand this and are just marketing their program. They do not want a return to the Crowton era where they had losing records and a half full stadium.

    Real football fans want to see their team play the best and have a chance to prove how good they really are. Unfortunately this is a minority of the fans.

    BYU is about the money. They know winning sells tickets, and as Hawaii proved, winning may just get you into a lucrative bowl game, even if you aren't really that good.

    Holmoe wants bigger $$ and he'll live with all the commentary about the fact his team didn't play a top 30 opponent all year, (like this year).

  • sanevoice
    Jan. 3, 2008 11:05 a.m.

    USU is already on the schedule. They may not be any good but they are division 1. Unlike the Weber's and Eastern Washington's. It is amazing to me that so may die hards don't seem to know any of this.

  • Utah is no joke
    Jan. 3, 2008 11:27 a.m.

    Play them twice. They would sell out the stadium, and would be a major throwdown between the two schools.

    Consider it an out of conference game.

    Play it on a nuetral field (ie. Vegas, Boise, ;-) San Diego...)

  • Don't be a panzy Bronco
    Jan. 3, 2008 11:28 a.m.

    Start with a patsy like Weber St. or Northern Az. so your overrated offensive line will get the jitters and penalties out of their system. Then a average BCS team like like Baylor, Washington St. or Notre Dame on the road. Then a good BCS at home and away. That way even if you can make it respectible and still lose, BYU will still win in the minds of the media. When you lose a gimme like Tulsa, then you lose twice. GO SNOW COL.

  • What can we do
    Jan. 3, 2008 11:31 a.m.

    I think one thing that we are missing here is that everyone is saying BYU should go out and schedule Georgia, Florida, Florida St, and LSU.... The fact is the Big boys in the SEC, BIG 10, and PAC 10 cant afford a loss so they don't want to play BYU and Utah and risk losing a game. They would rather play Utah State, Wyoming, San Diego St. BYU and Utah can schedule the mid to lower BCS teams because they will take the chance because they know when they get into conference play they are already in trouble. If all you can get is Stanford, Indiana, Northwestern, Duke or all of the bottom dwellers in these BCS conferences then take it. Maybe by the time the games come up in 2010, 2011 they might have a good team. But at least you can say that you are playing BCS conference teams.

  • Creampuffs, anyone?
    Jan. 3, 2008 11:31 a.m.

    Creampuffs, calling all creampuffs.

  • vasislos
    Jan. 3, 2008 11:33 a.m.

    1. Scheduling a top opponet is tricky. No way to predict how they will be ranked in the year the game takes place.
    2. If top recruits can be enticed to go to Lincoln, Nebraska, Aimes, Iowa, or Lubbock, Texas, then no MWC location should be an impediment - well, maybe Wyoming.
    3. Does anyone recall when the Big Ten was routinely labeled as the Big Two in the national media.
    4. The post-season schedule and the final rankings and national championship have been rigged forever. The non-BCS schools are unwilling to take any action while they wait for the crumbs to fall from the table of the big leagues. The MWC champion against a middle of the pack PAC10 team??!!! That is seen as a fitting end to the season?! The non-BCS schools should refuse to schedule ANY game with ANY BCS opponet until they agee to abandon the cartel that is college football today. They should develop their own playoff system between champions of the non-BCS leagues. This is a risk, but why stay in a situation where we are treated as weak little sisters. Maybe the non-BCS schools quitely believe that is exactly what they are.

  • Damned?
    Jan. 3, 2008 11:33 a.m.

    How is it that the writer of this article can use the D-word, but everytime I write it, my gosh-darn comments don't get posted????

  • Hawaii
    Jan. 3, 2008 11:35 a.m.

    I say we schedule Hawaii in Hawaii, I've been looking for a good excuse to go to the islands, and what better way then to watch Harvey run over the Rainbow Warriors.

  • Y Fan in Texas
    Jan. 3, 2008 11:38 a.m.

    Since when are we all experts in the BCS, scheduling and coaching departments? Since we sit back in our recliners with our cold drinks and pork rines? Let them schedule it how they will and let it play out. If BYU really is "BCS caliber" they'll get their chance to show it and they'll get the opportunity. If not, oh well. We should all be glad that both BYU and Utah both have good, competitive teams again. Its been a while since this has been the case.

  • Why doesn't BYU schedule...
    Jan. 3, 2008 11:39 a.m.

    to "sanevoice":

    I never claimed to be "die hard". I simply asked a question about possible opponents to fill the vacant spot. But now that you've set all of us non-die hards straight, we'll never comment on this forum ever again.

  • To: Y Fan in Texas.
    Jan. 3, 2008 11:47 a.m.

    I've never eaten a pork rine in my life.

    Besides, it's not pork "rine" but pork "rind".

    And I've never eaten one of those either. So I think I'm qualified.

  • Fair weather fans continued...
    Jan. 3, 2008 11:54 a.m.

    Holmoe and Bronco realize that even though Hawaii wasn't very good and got blown out in the Sugar Bowl, they still ended up with about $8 million for the school.

    Holmoe and Bronco might get a NICE bonus if BYU goes to a BCS game nets $8 mil for BYU, even though they lose.

    They probably don't get a big bonus for scheduling Michigan/ Florida/ etc., losing that game, ending up in the "Meaningless Bowl", beating a 6-6 Pac 10 team and BYU neting $100K.

  • National Champs!
    Jan. 3, 2008 11:56 a.m.

    Coach Mendenhall says that the goal of the program is to win a National Championship. However, he wants to model the schedule to a Hawaii-type schedule. Well, Hawaii proved that the BCS formula would not allow for that schedule to get to the BCS Championship. In fact, their undefeated record only got them to a No. 10 ranking, not the needed No. 1 or 2. And that was even in a season when Top 10 teams were constantly losing. So, Hawaii's season proved that they could get to a BCS game, but if BYU's goal is to become a National Champ, then they need to beef up the schedule. I say grab the scenario that allows Florida State to jump their game to this year rather than later. That would be perfect to have UCLA, Washington and Florida State. With the team BYU has coming back, I think they could win each of those games.

  • Kevin of Arkansas
    Jan. 3, 2008 12:06 p.m.

    Need I remind you responders that the MWC has 9 wins this season against BCS competion? Where is their (BCS schools) claim to dominance? BCS schools beat those same teams for their claim that their schedule is sooo tough.

    Also, every year at least a dozen Four and five star LDS recruits choose to go to BCS schools over BYU and Utah. Why do they make that choice? Because they want to play in a BCS conference. If BYU or Utah, or any other MWC school for that matter, was in a BCS conference then they would get those recruits also. If no BCS scandle/rackett exsisted we would see more parity in college football. Period. As it is MWC teams already compete pretty well.

  • Mike Johnson Fallon, NV
    Jan. 3, 2008 12:27 p.m.

    I am just laughing at all the ridiculous statements in these comments (as well as some in the article--how bad UTEP was in 1985 and yet BYU lost to UTEP in 1985).

    I read about North Washington, Cent. Illinois, South Iowa in these comments??? (Those schools don't exist. But, they keep getting mentioned). BTW, Northern Iowa was a better team than either of the BCS Iowa teams this year. Maybe BYU could schedule Northern Iowa.

    Schedule USU??? (already scheduled for 2008).

    USU on par with Eastern Washington??? (not in the same sub-division)

    Eastern Washington not Division I??? (don't tell them or any other Division I Football Championship Subdivision team that unless you want to get an earful).

    MWC is bad??? (they just went 4-1 in bowl games better than any other conference).

    Big East champion would beat the MWC champion in any year??? (In the only year that happened, Utah beat Pitt 31-7).

    BYU can go 7-0 in MWC next year??? (Who aren't they going to play?)

    Tulsa is a gimme game??? (They won their division and still have a bowl to play this year).

    Thanks for all the laughs and many more not mentioned.

  • Chill Pill
    Jan. 3, 2008 12:32 p.m.

    Everyone needs to chill out and face the reality. BYU is looking for the best game that they can get because most schools have little incentive to change their existing schedules. BYU will help fill a stadium, so some may take the bite.

    As for filling it with Utah St. or Weber St...those schools know the phone number if they want that game. I am sure that their A.D.'s have been spoken to by now. Oh..Eastern Washington critics: EWU advanced in their playoff and narrowly lost to Appalachian St. Ignorance of their program is not an excuse to assume it is horrible--Wash St. hired the EWU coach, remember?

    Make all the fun you want out of Tulsa (Conf.USA west champ)--they weren't the bottom of that conference. Would you prefer Iowa St, Baylor, or Northwestern, or Minnesota (BCS cellar dwellars)? If so, then how can you rant on Arizona or UCLA? At least they finished in the middle of their conference. Playing a Big 12 school might eliminate a rematch game, but those schools already have their preferences. For example, how many times has Colorado played Utah or BYU? They prefer CSU or Wyoming.

  • How About the Thunderbirds?
    Jan. 3, 2008 12:41 p.m.

    Let's get Southern Utah on the schedule. The money stays in-state and helps a local program.

    And it's a guaranteed win, and that's what really counts, right?

  • Utah v Michigan
    Jan. 3, 2008 12:44 p.m.

    I love all the stupid comments that infer that the 'big boys' won't play the MWC.. how do you explain the utes trip to the big house next year.. Bronco is a fool to think that scheduling 'easy' wins will help his cause in making the bcs. Hey Bronco, here's a tip, follow in the footsteps of the FIRST BCS buster.. play anyone, anywhere and beat them by at least 20..

  • Mike Johnson Fallon, NV
    Jan. 3, 2008 12:47 p.m.

    Good point, Kevin of Arkansas.

    It has a lot to do with the money. Regardless of how well Hawaii did in New Orleans, all WAC teams are getting a pretty big payout this year on top of the one last year from Boise State. The MWC got one after the 2004 season. The system is set up now so that a non-BCS conference champion should be able to bring home the payout to the conference. The MWC needs to be focusing on becoming regulars in the BCS bowls, before a national championship will be possible. If the MWC champion can regularly get into a BCS bowl, it will help even out money issues and open up more opportunities.

  • Best solution
    Jan. 3, 2008 12:47 p.m.

    Just schedule a game with Timpview. That entire team is going to end up at BYU anyway. It's like the California Angels playing the Salt Lake Bees in preseason, giving your minor league team a chance to see how it compares. It also would be good for Timpview to get more players to transfer in.

  • Lots: BCS & BS
    Jan. 3, 2008 1:07 p.m.

    First, to all of you "BCS conference" chest thumpers...If and when MWC teams receive the same CASH and Recruiting pool afforded to the BCS teams, then you can have at your MWC bashing. But until then, just be happy that your team in on the side with the upper hand and keep your mounth shut. Otherwise you are looking foolish.

    "TO be the best, you have to play the best"...Had Hawaii scheduled to this standard, then they would have not made a complete FOOL out of themselves at ther sugar bowl.

    DIV 2A schools schedule the powerhouse 1A schools in order to receive a butte kicking and a paycheck. Appears this is all that Hawaii had in mind at the sugar bowl...If so, it worked.

  • re:Fair Weather Fans
    Jan. 3, 2008 1:07 p.m.

    ...so Utah, UCLA, TCU, Tulsa, AFA...

    None are top 30?

  • Old Cougar Fan
    Jan. 3, 2008 1:08 p.m.

    I have a friend who worked for the Fiesta Bowl committee for several years. Her stories of fabricated and minipulated computer rankings would have made good fiction, except it was reality. The objective of bowl committees is all about scheduling and dollars. Early in the season they start the ranking manipulation to ensure they will get at least one of their pre-season choices. The deals between other bowl committees is ledgendary even if dishonest. It's all about money my friends and has nothing to do with the competitive best --- look at the three blowouts in three BCS games thus far this year. I wholeheartedly agree with whomever suggested that the Mtn embrace the concept of a two tiered system with this twist; let the five BSC bowls do their thing and let the rest of Div-1 conferences, including the runnerups in the BCS conferences have a thirty two team playoff. Both would end at about the same time (kind of like the AFC and NFC) Then maybe someone whould dare suggest a championship game between the two. I know, I'm a dreamer.

  • Awesome
    Jan. 3, 2008 1:08 p.m.

    Utah stinks...

  • Nevada Blue
    Jan. 3, 2008 1:14 p.m.

    BYU should get rid of the bottom dwellers on their schedule. Like Utah. They should schedule teams that have non-whiners for fans.

    Just drop Utah off the schedule and BYU would still be 7-0 instead of 8-0 and since none of the other MWC teams can go undefeated they would still win the Championship.

    They should go with a BCS team that is far better than Utah. Like Stanford or Baylor.

  • Bestest solution
    Jan. 3, 2008 1:17 p.m.

    Have BYU schedule Ditka.

  • National Champs, Not
    Jan. 3, 2008 1:18 p.m.

    Face it--BYU will never win another National Championship in football unless the BCS sham converts to a playoff system. Under the current system, a non-BCS team will not get the votes necessary to be ranked high at the beginning of the season nor at the end of the season. With one loss, non-BCS schools can fall up to 10 points in the polls. Regardless how tough their schedule is.

    If BYU wants to be the national champ again, they better start negotiating a move to a BCS conference. (The MWC should at least be able to replace the Big East as a BCS conference.) Until that time be satisfied with #5 when all is said and done.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 3, 2008 1:18 p.m.

    Did anyone watch the BCS game this season with the only undefeated team, Hawaii playing Georga? 10-43
    or something close to that score; It was sad. It had a bad message. It was a great Mid Major team vs an average BCS team.

    If we can't beat 4 of the weakest BCS team in a season, instead of taking on 2 Division 2 teams + 2 so - so BCS teams, I don't think that we deserve a BCS Bowl. I will never watch BYU play a division 2 team. Even when Notre Dame is at it's lowest playing level, they would never take on a division 2 team. Why should we?

  • Mike Johnson Fallon, NV
    Jan. 3, 2008 1:18 p.m.

    Games with high schools and junior colleges are not allowed. They may be fun to imagine, but that is as far as it goes.

    Dixie State is NCAA Division II (and should have completed their transition), but playing a team at that level will hurt bowl chances.

    SUU is NCAA Division I FCS and may or may not be a count team, depending on the full time equivalent scholarships they have. They were barely a count team in 2006. I don't know about 2007. But, it would be a risk to schedule them and have them turn out to be a non-count team.

    There are some Div I FCS teams that can be expected to count and playing them would be the same in terms of post season play as playing a bottom feeder from Div I FBS like USU.

    I personally would like to see more Utah and BYU games with the Big 12.

  • Jon
    Jan. 3, 2008 1:32 p.m.

    I'd like to see them schedule a BCS opponent, but I don't think they'd be able to. I think the BCS teams are looking for patsies--guaranteed wins, and BYU is just good enough to make them nervous. But, I hate scheduling 1-aa teams, (I guess that's like a BCS team scheduling BYU though).

    Jon

  • J. Smith
    Jan. 3, 2008 1:33 p.m.

    Re: Utah vs. Michigan. I got news for you all look back at Utahs BCS busting year. They had a very Hawaii type schedule as well. They didn't play anybody special. BYU was pretty bad that year as well. If that Utah team played last years or even this years cougar team they have alot harder time going undefeated. Point is Utah is playing a Michigan team that was upset by Appalachian State. And they are losing some very good seniors. Right now I don't think they are anything special. That being said neither is Utah. I don't see anyone on their schedule the cougs can't beat, especially if Max Hall improves during the off season.

  • Re. J. Smith
    Jan. 3, 2008 1:43 p.m.

    In 2004, Utah played Arizona, Texas A&M and North Carolina. hardly Hawaii's schedule. And oh ya, they won their BCS game, going away. The one thing you are correct about was that their last game was against a marshmellow (BYU) circa 2004. Get a clue.

  • RE: How bout the thunderbirds
    Jan. 3, 2008 1:43 p.m.

    SUU is already playing Air Force to open the season. I'm sure they don't want to get trounced by two MWC teams in one season. They already have one of the hardest schedules in the FCS let alone if they scheduled 2 FBS teams.

  • Optimist
    Jan. 3, 2008 1:43 p.m.

    Don't do it! Don't disgrace the team and the BYU name by playing down to get a $14+ million dollar BCS bowl. I would rather pay a $25.00 surcharge to see a low level BCS team get beat by us than to do like UCLA did and give away $50.00 ticktets for $30.00 or less because their fans would not watch them play a mid major team in a bowl game.

    Hawaii disgraced all mid major teams from the MWC, the WAC, MAC, C-USA playing in the BCS bowl with their high rankings and their perfect win column, and then when put to the test against a middle of the road BCS team, the Georga, that Hawaiian team looked like a poor High School vs. the greatest BCS team in America. They were a bad joke.

    Don't let BYU be a bad joke in a bowl that we don't belong it. If we schedule at the very least, the poorest BCS teams for our out of conference games, and if we win them and all of our own conference games, we will have a chance without shame, for the big dance in the BCS bowl and hopefully win. Go Cougars.

  • observer
    Jan. 3, 2008 1:51 p.m.

    The biggest hurdle to national prominence is recruiting. Try telling a top recruit a conference championship will win him the number 5 PAC 10 team, then look at his face. BCS teams will never relinquish that great advantage and the NCAA will never even the playing field.
    The best chance to generate excitement for outside teams is a playoff. Take the best 16 you can get(BCS teams may refuse to come at first.) Fans will love it. If the NCAA withholds sanctioning then it's time to sacrifice their approval and establish a seperate governing body that will provide truer fairness. Let's not leave the bullies in charge of us.
    In the meantime, BYU should schedule the best teams it can. That's the fun of college football. A top opponent in the regular season is a better game than a lesser opponent in a bowl game.
    By the way, I hope BYU and Utah are ready to clear the hurdles and break into the top tier on a regular basis anyway.

  • Craig
    Jan. 3, 2008 1:52 p.m.

    You all know nothing!!! Try and find me one "BCS" team out there that doesnt already have a set schedule for next year? Sue Nevada for getting the "itis" and play whoever has an opening. With more money, Utah schools would get better players. If for nothing else, we have the greatest snow on earth.

  • J Smith is an Idiot
    Jan. 3, 2008 1:52 p.m.

    The point is you zoobie dork that you won't get national respect until your team and coach go out and earn it. The utes did something Hawaii didn'f if your small brain can remember.. they WON the fiesta bowl against an averge big east champ. Ute Disproved the bcs myth.. hawaii (and byu) reinforce the concept the bcs schools are better by talking and then not showing up for bowl games..
    If byu is so good why is bronco so afraid to go to a SEC, Big 10, PAC 10 powerhouse and play them.. obviously the ute squad has 'a pair' and is willing to EARN some respect for the MWC.. and by the way Michigan just beat florida and is as deep as any school in the country, so there is no drop off even if they have seniors leave..

  • Optimist
    Jan. 3, 2008 2:03 p.m.

    Dick Harmon, I have always been a fan of yours since you have been writing in Salt Lake City and back in the days when you wrote in Provo. I do hope that you print this post.

    Please take a poll. How many would rather pay a surcharge of $25.00 and watch BYU play a team from the Pac 10 and win it, after playing 4 of the easiest BCS teams for the non conference games, or

    How many would rather BYU play 2 patsy 2A type teams, or the the likes of Utah State and New Mexico State and end up in a BCS bowl that we can't win, do to lack of experience playing real BCS teams? (Hawaii example)

    Does taking us back to glory days mean that we must play down in order to get the wins? or Does playing up with the best of the American teams get us the real glory that BYU deserves?

    I, for one, love BYU and our Cougars, too much, to ever, ever, ever watch them play a Division 2 team.
    I pledge it.

  • RE:Anonymous
    Jan. 3, 2008 2:08 p.m.

    Did you watch college football this season, besides USC, Georgia was playing the best football of anyone in the country going into the Bowl games. They easily could have played against Ohio St for the nat'l title this year. They were ranked 3rd in the BCS before championship week and somehow dropped to 5th without playing a game and missouri losing.

  • Gretkzy
    Jan. 3, 2008 2:12 p.m.

    Ah, let's just schedule the Utes twice this next season.

  • To Craig
    Jan. 3, 2008 2:53 p.m.

    Arkansas has an opening in their schedule for 2008. Last I checked, they are a BCS school. Has BYU contacted them?

  • Softy
    Jan. 3, 2008 2:53 p.m.

    To be the best you have to play the best and win!!! I have to sit down here one more time in Vegas and watch BYU play EWU or UTEP, what a joke!!! I agree with everyone who agrees not to hide in an "early home game" just to practice. Where are the days when BYU took on the likes of Miami? The Utes are the only game I can stand to watch unless it's Wyoming with the beer chugging, Cougar haters!! Bottom Line, stop looking for a glorified high school team to agree to get slaughtered for the money. BYU AD needs some help

  • re:National Champs Not
    Jan. 3, 2008 2:56 p.m.

    Why do Utah fans need to beat up the fact that BYU won't win a Nat Champ again?

    We did it before, we can do it again.

    Utes could too, but then again, then couldn't do it in the first place.

    Just sit back and watch your big Bros. go!!!

  • big east sucks
    Jan. 3, 2008 3:01 p.m.

    The MWC is as good as the big east in total. Utah has never lost to a big east team, including this year's win at Louisville.

    Utah and BYU would struggle in the Pac-10 and the SEC, but not the other conferences. They would compete pretty well there.

    BYU has to start beating the big boys. Scheduling patsies will never get you there.

  • Mayhem
    Jan. 3, 2008 3:03 p.m.

    Want national/BCS respect? Schedule USC, LSU, or Ohio State next year. Then win THAT game impressively AND go undefeated including the Mediocre West Conference schedule. Anything else is just spitting in the wind and nobody cares.

  • Cheddar
    Jan. 3, 2008 3:14 p.m.

    Like someone said earlier, scheduling is done years in advance. The chances that a BCS conference that has an open date on the schedule are slim anyway. Hawaii's meltdown makes it even harder for non-BCS schools to get invited to the dance. Let's face it, the stars have to absolutely align perfectly for the Y to go undefeated next year...and with trips to UW, TCU, and U on the schedule...I don't see it happening.

    BYU will have a respectable season...barring injury, but going undefeated is a bit optimistic to say the least. So that being said, we should play the best competition available...not just settle for an in state team. BSU would be good...but didn't they lose to East Carolina in Hawaii after being up big?

    I hope the U takes down Michigan next year...that would be cool to see. The more the little guys can beat up on the so-called "big" guys, it's a good thing for all of us.

  • Utah's Patsies for 5 years
    Jan. 3, 2008 3:15 p.m.

    07- Utah State,
    06- Utah State, Northern Arizona (what you scheduled a Division II team, gasp)
    05- Utah State, North Carolina (yes they were a patsie...and you lost)
    04- Utah State, North Carolina

    And for next year you beefed up your schedule with...Weber State! Good luck with that one.

  • Re: Mayhem
    Jan. 3, 2008 3:21 p.m.

    What kind of standard are you trying to set? You say that they have to win a game impressively against USC, LSU or OSU, and then go undefeated in conf play...which other team this year has done that?

    Did OSU do that, how about USC or even LSU? Top to bottom, the SEC is the toughest conference this year. However, the Big Least is not impressive, and neither is the ACC outside of a couple teams each. Both Utah and BYU would do well against any team in a single bowl game with preparation.

    Come down from your "elitest" BCS perch and start making some sense.

  • Anonymous
    Jan. 3, 2008 3:24 p.m.

    A special thanks to: Jay @ 10:23 P.M.; The Bar @ 10:31; Oregon cougs @ 10:39; National Champs Not @ 1:18; Anonymous @1:18 and Optimist @ 1:43 for wanting our Cougars to enjoy the respect they deserve.

    I remember the last season of Lavel Edwards. I'm not positive of the teams we played. I believe it was Florida State, Mississippi State, Georga Tec and Virginia. It was a very difficult season. We had many injuries, We barely escaped with a winning season. I have never every been more proud to say I was a cougar fan than I was that year.

    Ron Uharriet. ronuharriet@msn.com Replys welcome.

  • l
    Jan. 3, 2008 3:44 p.m.

    It all boils down to respect and/or money.

    For mid-majors, it's not about respect. It's about the money. They'll never have the respect of anyone. When they play down, they lose respect for playing down, and when they play up they lose.

    For BCS teams, it's about respect. The BCS conferences already have the money all tied up in their pockets, dealing out just enough of it to other conferences to keep from getting their monopoly and anticompetitive practices investigated and sued or broken up.

    BCS teams can play for respect. MWC and WAC teams don't play for respect. The best they can hope for is to balance their schedule just right to be neither too weak nor too strong, break into a BCS bowl with a perfect record and make several million dollars to share with their conference. Utah and Boise claim they weren't respected by getting to play a "better" BCS bowl (i.e. the championship game) and Hawaii is dissed as only getting in because their schedule was too weak. No respect. Just money. Keep throwing us nibbles, BCS, and we will keep throwing our respect away for a few million dollars.

  • Optimist - Please Read
    Jan. 3, 2008 4:06 p.m.

    Sure Utah and BYU would jump at the chance to get into the BCS Pac 10 or the Big 12. The problem is, neither of those conferences will let us in.

    Sure, it could be argued that the MWC is almost as good as the Big East. The problem is, the BCS will not buy that argument.

    So what can we do? We can stop playing Patsey schools. We can bring into the MWC teams like Hawaii, Boise State, Fresno State and the very best team from all Mid Major conferences.

    We divide the 13 teams into a top division of 6 and a bottom division of 7. For our non conference games, we schedule as many BCS teams as possible. The other games we take from the opposite division of our own conference. We never schedule anyone below our conference.

    Boise State, Hawaii, Fresno State and any other Mid Major team would jump at the chance of playing in such a conference.

    BCS would either, have to replace the Big East with MWC or they would have to add the MWC as an additional BCS team.

    This could never happen playing teams below our conference. Cougars deserve the best.

  • Here is an idea
    Jan. 3, 2008 4:45 p.m.

    Schedule the Aggies twice, then you got two victories guaranteed.

  • Only ONE OPTION!!
    Jan. 3, 2008 5:03 p.m.

    I would rather lose to a top ranked team then watch us kill a team like Eastern Washington. The trend here looks like 75% of BYU fans want a real challenge and nothing less. Respect will come only by scheduling and beating the big boys. I think BYU would be better off becoming independent of a particular conference.

  • BYU fan
    Jan. 3, 2008 5:48 p.m.

    It does not matter who BYU schedules, the BCS conferences have made this an unfair fight. The amount of money that the BCS teams get to relish in every year keeps making the gap between mid-major and the BCS teams grow bigger every year. Until every team is invited into the "dance" like basketball, we should be happy with 10 or 11 wins and a bowl game.

  • 34-31
    Jan. 3, 2008 6:16 p.m.

    I wish BYU could schedule Utah twice.

    Utah would have two 34-31 wins in the same season.

    That would really be twice as nice!

  • BCS Cartel
    Jan. 3, 2008 6:32 p.m.

    The reason BCS conferences are so far ahead of non-BCS conferences is because after the arbritary designation of "BCS Conferences" was made, the decision makers then put in their system a method of exclusion - funneling in the big BCS bucks into their conferences by way of bowl tie-ins. Non-BCS schools are not inherently worse than their BCS counterparts. However, the current system is designed to perpetuate the financial and reputational disparity that are the major determinants of on-field success.

    The sooner the bowl money can be shared fairly, the sooner all D-1 schools will be able to recruit and compete on a level playing field. Until then, non-BCS schools will always suffer an unfair disadvantage.

    As for scheduling, for the season ticket holders (I am not one - live 1500 miles away) I would rather see a decent BCS team or upper level non-BCS school fill the slot to pique fan and media interest.

  • re:34-31
    Jan. 3, 2008 8:35 p.m.

    Beck to Harline.

    Hall to Collie.

    Unga.

    Fui.

    Tonga.

    How many memories are your poor Utes willing to help Cougar Fans make?

  • BBking
    Jan. 3, 2008 9:03 p.m.

    I think everyone missed the between the lines part of this story. Harmon gets behind the scenes info out of Cougar-land so this article really means something.

    He lays out how Lavell Edwards did it during the 1980's. He scheduled a couple tough non-conference, a couple easy non-conference and then the conference.

    Dick Harmon is letting us know that the decision has been made. They are calling large high schools, small junior colleges and maybe even a Division 2 - getting Appalachiend is now the big fear around the country.

    I for one would rather watch BYU play and lose to a real team than play and beat a high school team. Sadly, what we want doesn't matter. Wait a few weeks and we will learn we get a match with Podunk University junior varsity.

    I pray I am wrong but...Dick Harmon all but said it.

  • Great article
    Jan. 3, 2008 9:38 p.m.

    The great fun used to be reading Dicks stuff just to see what a locked-in homer sounded like when he wrote something. Over the last year or so, they've become more like a puzzle and the reader gets to look forward to figuring out just what the hell he's talking about. I mean really. It's like he starts with the essence of an idea and just keeps typing, with or without a serious attempt at editing. Once in a while some really good info about the program is there, but most of the time, it's better now to skip on by. Thanks for the memories Dick.

  • Got a Solution
    Jan. 3, 2008 10:18 p.m.

    I think Dixie College is available for your hopeful BCS run.

  • BCS Power
    Jan. 3, 2008 11:24 p.m.

    Michigan Lost to Appalachian State, beat Eastern Mich 33-22
    Ohio St with wins against Youngstown St., Akron and Kent St.
    USC with win vs. Idaho and LOSS to Stanford
    Florida wins vs. Western Kentucky, Troy and Florida Atlantic
    LSU with wins vs Louisianna Tech, Tulane and Middle Tennessee
    Kansas wins vs. Central Michigan, Southeastern Louisiana, Toledo, Florida International.

    Comparing BYU:

    Average BYU year in a BCS conf: 3 wins against patsy above, Wins against 3 bottom dwellers like stanford, split against the middle four like UCLA and Arizona, BYU sits at 8-2 with games against the top two like USC. Good years they may win, bad years they may lose. Similar to any team in any BCS conf.
    Nobody is saying BYU would be dominating in the BCS, just saying on their good years they can compete and if things fall their way, would win a national championship. We just want the chance.

    If '04 Utah would of had the chance, I believe they would have won. Look at all the NFL players on that team.

    The polls are opinions, which makes the system unfair.
    Put it on the field in a playoff system!

  • OC Surfer
    Jan. 4, 2008 12:45 a.m.

    How about UVU? Don't they have a football team yet?

  • BYU
    Jan. 4, 2008 7:21 a.m.

    I don't think anyone from the athletic department is followibg this blog looking for ideas.

    Whomever they play, I am sure they will be competative as usual.

    I am happy that the blog gives the Ute fans a place to blow off steam, not alot ofUte things happening

  • BYU Fan
    Jan. 4, 2008 11:17 a.m.

    Memo to all you BCS commentators:

    BCS teams are all over the map in the rankings. All lot of the ranking problems this past season relate to key injuries on teams that early on were highly ranked and then fell down, i.e. the Oregon Ducks, etc. One bottom line is you have to be in the prestige conferences to be in the BCS. You can't be in mediocre conferences like the MWC, etc. which have no business playing for a championship. Sure a lot of the complainers want a playoff system. The fact of the matter is the entire season is the playoffs. If teams want to be considered for major consideration at the end of the year they should win all the games, for one thing, and don't schedule inferior teams. TV exposure is also another thing. The east coast and the mid-east and mid-west sections of the country will always be given perhaps undue attention in the rankings....that is just reality. For that reason, the MWC should reconsider what it has done with TV. The cream of the crop in the MWC....BYU, Utah, Air Force, New Mexico, Wyoming (the top echelon) are doing about all they can do....

  • Fire Holmoe
    Jan. 4, 2008 12:18 p.m.

    It pains me to think of consciously scheduling a div 2 team...you are only as good as your competition. We are severely underexposed as it is. Go for an East Coast team so we can give people some reason to talk about BYU outside of the Rocky Mountains.

    The MWC is already a 2nd tier conference so we have no need to dumb down our schedule. If Holmoe doesn't grasp how we market and recruit by playing in better markets, then he should be let go!

  • I would rather...
    Jan. 4, 2008 12:23 p.m.

    play Eastern Washington who gave app. state (lost 38-35) as good a game as Michigan, than play bottom tier WAC schools. Did you know that Eastern Washington had a higher Sagarin rating than 3 WAC schools, including Utah State. Also to those who put BCS conferences heads and shoulders above the MWC...This year I believe the MWC was 5-6 versus the PAC-10. Sounds pretty close to me.

  • Appalachian state ???
    Jan. 4, 2008 12:30 p.m.

    How about Appalachian state? I hear they are looking for another victim like Michigan.

  • meaningless
    Jan. 4, 2008 12:42 p.m.

    meaningless conference with meaningless pull. who cares who is scheduled. it will not matter. BYU is not a joke but if it keeps on trying to be a flagship fpr this ridiculous MWC they soon will be. besides i heard that the orem tigers would be happy to play the Y.

  • CraigP
    Jan. 4, 2008 12:56 p.m.

    BYU's schedule & results for the last 30 years were published in a recent article. As an enginerd, I took it upon myself to crunch some numbers and see what turned up. I didn't do a full regression analysis, just a simple statistical correlation. Here's what I found.

    I looked at total wins & losses, conference wins & losses, wins & losses against BCS teams, whether or not they played in a bowl game, whether they won their bowl, Sagarin's strength of schedule (only had data for last 10 years), and final ranking (used Sagarin's rankings for last 10 years if we weren't ranked in polls). Some interesting correlations turned up.

    If respect = being ranked high in the polls at the end of the year, then, in order, the most important correlations are (Pearson correlation factor in parenthesis):
    losses (0.932),
    wins (0.881),
    playing in a bowl game (0.794),
    winning that bowl game (0.603),
    # of win's vs. BCS teams (0.551),
    # of losses vs. BCS teams (0.532).

    All these correlation factors have a P-value

  • CraigP
    Jan. 4, 2008 1:12 p.m.

    I reached my 200 word limit but still had more to say!

    In that same statistical correlation, I found that SOS was INVERSELY proportional to final ranking, which isn't all that surprising. Playing tougher teams means more losses. More losses means lower ranking. In 2004, for example, we played the 11th most difficult schedule in the country (according to Sagarin). We played ND, Stanford, Boist St. & USC out of conference, the last two of which went 24-1. Oh, and Utah wasn't bad that year either (!).

    The most BCS teams we've played in 1 year was in '85 when we played 4 in the regular season, plus Ohio St. in the Holiday bowl (& lost 10-7, finishing with a #16 ranking). And even then one of the BCS teams was Temple (a 26-24 win on the road). Plus we beat up on USU to help get us to 11 W's.

    Bronco said the "formula" has been established, and he used that word correctly. Ranking = few losses + lots of wins + a few BCS games (preferably wins but not the deal breaker) + bowl win. He is following that formula to the letter.

  • CraigP
    Jan. 4, 2008 1:27 p.m.

    Last comment, then I'll shut up! (I just had so much fun crunching these #'s; I can't believe people get paid to do this!)

    In all of BYU's "glory days", we've never won more than 2 consecutive bowl games, and only twice ('79-'81, '83-'85) have we been ranked at the end of 3 consecutive seasons. In terms of record and average final ranking, the best 3-year stretch was '83-'85 when we went 35-4 and finished with an average ranking of #8 (#7, #1, #16). If Bronco follows the "formula" next year and schedules a "Nevada-type" opponent to fill our open slot, AND IF (big IF) we go undefeated (8-0 in conf + 2 BCS-conf wins against UW & UCLA + 2 non-BCS wins vs. USU & ?? + a bowl win vs. a BCS-conf team), our 3-year record would be . . . 35-4. We'd definitely be ranked in the top 10, probably top 5. Assuming we finish #17 this year & #5 next year, that would be a 3-year average of #13. Not as good as #8, but definitely a return to the "glory days".

    I KNOW it's a BIG IF, but hey, the off-season is for dreaming, right?

  • Play the big boys!!
    Jan. 4, 2008 1:48 p.m.

    Let them play the big boys. If we can show that we can compete with the BCS schools, maybe, one day BYU can join a BCS conference!!!!

  • UBYU
    Jan. 4, 2008 2:28 p.m.

    I dare Bronco to schedule Appalachian State!

  • Optimist
    Jan. 4, 2008 2:58 p.m.

    Do we really sound like intelligent college students when we insist on talking about a National Championship when we are afraid to play for non conference games, four BCS teams, even if it is the seller dwellers from the five BCS conferences?

    Wow, if we don't have the confidence that we can beat the four worst BCS teams in the Nation, how can we be talking about winning a National Championship.

    The Coach knows that we can't win a National Championship or he wouldn't be balancing two low BCS teams, with two seller dwellers from the Mid Majors or even take the lower dip into the Division 2 level.

    How can we have the confidence when our own coach does not have the confidence.

    Words of greatness are worthless if not backed up with action. Remember, BCS teams must play at least eight other BCS teams in order to be considered for a BCS Bowl, much less a national championship.

    Let the coach know that we want to earn respect by playing respectful teams. We can't be given respect when we choose only losers to play for non conference games.

  • Haaahaahaa
    Jan. 4, 2008 3:45 p.m.

    Utah scheduled Weber State?!!! And their fans are trashing BYU. This is great stuff.

  • BCS Playoffs
    Jan. 6, 2008 12:35 p.m.

    Let's be honest, a playoff system probably doesn't favor the Coogs or the Utes.

    Both schools would acquit themselves pretty well in a single game against any school in the country with some time to heal and prepare, as in a bowl game.

    But in almost any playoff format you gotta play multiple times in less than a month.

    Playoffs favor deep teams with deep pockets. That's why in the NCAA tourney cinderellas (say those seeded 12 or higher) have never made it to the Final Four.

    The Coogs and Utes best hope is to either turn the MWC into a BCS Conference, or move to one.

  • The Cucamonga Kid
    Jan. 6, 2008 5:15 p.m.

    I think it is time that Holmoe invites Appalachian State to Provo and proclaim that game as the National Championship next year for the lower subdivision.

  • Andrew Weston
    Jan. 7, 2008 8:37 p.m.

    PART TWO:

    I hope Bronco can keep the men focused and the fabulous sophs can improve over the off-season. I am also very excited about some of the JC kids they picked up that were highly recruited all over the country and a few will probably start in the secondary this coming season. A lot to be excited about in 2008!

  • won't happen
    Jan. 8, 2008 9:23 a.m.

    BYU WILL NEVER GO TO A BCS BOWL. YOU IDIOTS SAY THIS EVERY YEAR THEY GO TO A CRAPPY BOWL AND FINISH IN THE TOP 25. THE TRUTH IS THERE ARE SOME PRETTY GOOD TEAMS OUTSIDE OF THE TOP 25 THAT COULD FREAKIN KILL BYU. IT's A LAUGH THAT YOU GUYS ALWAYS SAY NEXT YEAR WE SHOULD BE IN A BCS GAME. THINK ABOUT IT! IT WOULD BE A LOPSIDES GAME IF THEY PLAYED GEORGIA, VIRGINIA TECH, USC, LSU, MICHIGAN, and any other major BCS school.