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  • What up D-News?
    Dec. 21, 2007 1:26 a.m.

    Why do you have a BYU-homer like Scott Taylor writing about the Utes? Obviously, Taylor was going to pick something negative to write about, and he did. Next time D-News, try having someone that knows even a tiny, little bit about the team write something.

  • NachoGrande
    Dec. 21, 2007 2:05 a.m.

    You are right Scott let's play the what if game...
    -What if Ludwig could have figured out before the second half that passing on Navy actually works?
    -What if Navy passed for 800 yards and ran for 300 yards?
    -What if the nation wasn't at war at this time, would Navy had won?
    -What if aliens came down during the game looking for signs of intelligence and you were passed over?
    -What if Austin Collie was playing for Navy, would God have blessed the Midshipment with a victory?
    -What if you had 3 friends who could sell my "miralce health juice" to their 3 friends, etc.
    I think there is one thing we can all agree on, what if you your silly article wasn't published... we would all be better off.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 21, 2007 2:11 a.m.

    face it the utes can't win unless they get breaks from the stips...but enjoy your spectacular victory over a weak academy football team. harline and collie are still open!

  • grumpolman
    Dec. 21, 2007 5:56 a.m.

    Sounds like the Utes give credence to the phrase "It's better to be lucky than good". How can you criticise the D-News for writing something negative about the officials admitting a major blown call when the utes are endlessly complaining about two obvious calls against them at BYU claiming "that's why we lost". When a call in their bowl game probably made the difference in their lucky win.

  • Irrelevant
    Dec. 21, 2007 6:22 a.m.

    Utah didn't score, Navy went 4 and out. And I don't want to hear any of this "well they would have scored if starting from the 20 and not the 1 inch line" from any BYU fans looking to discredit another win. If you really think where the ball was changes Navy's playcalling then I would disagree. I don't think they ran more than 4-5 different plays the whole game anyways.

    I'm not saying the call was right, it was obviously wrong...just that it shouldn't taint the win because Navy had more than enough chances.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 21, 2007 7:20 a.m.

    Hey BYU...quit whining and by the way did you hear Lou Holtz not once, not twice, but three seperate times claim that Utah, "has the best non-BCS personnel in the country". BYU..that includes you, regardless of what your your weak tiny minds might think...

  • Pipes
    Dec. 21, 2007 7:39 a.m.

    Once again the game is decided by poor officiating and not the players. There is no excuse for the review officals to miss that call. Someone should be held accountable for that blunder.

  • Finally a call goes to Utah
    Dec. 21, 2007 7:41 a.m.

    Hey Anonymous:

    Are you serious? I guess I need to remind you of the free 30 yards byu received on its final drive against Utah from 2 horrible calls.

    It is nice to have a bad call go our way for a change. Now I know how it feels to be byu.

  • Not Irrelevant
    Dec. 21, 2007 7:49 a.m.

    Everyone one knows, even Andy Ludwig (which it seems he doesn't know much) that play calling at the 1 inch line is much different than at the 20. Navy got hosed on a play call that everyone at home KNEW it was a touchback.

    It is unfortunate to see Utah's good win be tainted, but it is, a bit.

    I also question why Utah's play calling is so awful. Does anyone think that Whittingham shouldn't have changed the offensive scheme ONE BIT after the Fiesta Bowl run? But, does the offense resemble that one at all?

  • fed up
    Dec. 21, 2007 8:04 a.m.

    There are DOZENS of examples over the past couple of years of game officials getting clear, unambiguous replay feeds and still getting the call wrong.

    Make them wear microphones and do their deliberations on camera so that the whole process is public. Let's see if they are corrupt, cowardly or simply stupid.

    In this case I suspect cowardly. Their lame admission handed to bowl officials after they've collected their check and are on the way to the airport is little solace. There's simply no excuse.

    Do replay correctly, or not at all!

  • Life'sLessons
    Dec. 21, 2007 8:29 a.m.

    Sometimes the calls from the officials are against you and sometimes they go your way, welcome to the imperfect world of sports officiating. I had a basketball referee tell me once Ill stop making bad calls when you stop missing your shots, especially free throws. It is time for the Ute fans to realize that they may have got a break this time and for the BYU fans to realize they may have got a break in the BYU Utah football game this year. Get over it and learn this one lesson Life is not always fair, no matter what.

  • Little Change on Outcome
    Dec. 21, 2007 8:36 a.m.

    The blown call had no change on the game. The triple option that Navy runs would have had them calling the same plays on the 20 as it does on backed on their goal-line. No body likes to see bad calls but this one had no change on the outcome of the game.

    An to Anonymous, BYU should now all to well about benefiting from bad calls, so think twice about what you write next time. As for Navy being a week oponent, BYU has lost to them more than once in a bowl game. Once again think before you write.

  • No Harm, No Foul
    Dec. 21, 2007 8:39 a.m.

    Come on, Cougars! Can't we just have a truce during bowl season? Each team needs the other to grab a bowl victory for the good of the conference. I don't understand why some, though I'm sure a minority, of BYU fans have to come complain about the officiating. Navy isn't a top 25 team, but they've had a pretty good year. That Utah win was good for the MWC and BYU.

    As for the specific call, it really didn't make a difference. Navy ran the ball just about every play, and it would have been no different on the 20. Utah would have gotten the ball back inside the 30 and scored just the same. In fact, the way Navy struggled to stop the Utes in the second half, the blown call may actually have given Navy a better chance to win. If Utah got the ball on the 29 instead of the 9, it would have taken Utah that much longer to get into the end-zone, and Navy wouldn't have had as much time to get back in the game. The refs had to note the mistake, but it didn't affect the outcome.

  • ron in oc
    Dec. 21, 2007 8:41 a.m.

    If it was the wrong call, too bad. Show me a game in any sport where all the calls are perfect. I'm sure that from time to time a bad call can make a difference but in the long run, it's the team that wins the game. I'm a BYU fan and I loved the Utah win. Great game and I hope that Utah wins every game they play except the BYU game.

  • Truth hurts
    Dec. 21, 2007 8:44 a.m.

    Win is tainted, period. It is an obvious DISADVANTAGE to start that deep in one's own territory versus the 20.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 21, 2007 9:00 a.m.

    it would have made a difference if they did get the call right...they stuffed them on the goal line right after that....which gave them more momentum...get real

  • Irrelevant doesnt know jack
    Dec. 21, 2007 9:01 a.m.

    Of course their play calling would have been different from the 20, instead of the 1/2.

    Just look at the splits their offensive linemen were taking backed up on their goalline. Completely different situation. It was a horrible, horrible call. No excuse for that.

  • wii
    Dec. 21, 2007 9:02 a.m.

    Navy should have had the ball at the 20 which would have changed the whole complexion of the game. Face it Utah you gotta cheat um to beat um! Give the little trophey you got to Navy!

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 21, 2007 9:03 a.m.

    wow who else to write a story like this! right guys! dick harmons my boy!

  • Ummmm
    Dec. 21, 2007 9:06 a.m.

    The rule book is pretty unclear on this and kind of contradictory. Look at the NCAA Rule Book: Section 2. Out Of Bounds: Ball Out of Bounds, Article 3.a. A ball not in player posession, other than a kick that scores a field goal, is out of bounds when it touches the ground, a player, a game official, **or anything else that is on or outside a boundary line.** (pylons are outside the boundary line as article 3.b. will clarify)
    b. A ball that touches a pylon is out of bounds.

    So really, what should the call be? I think given the circumstances, they called it right. I think the NCAA needs to make the rule a bit more defined.

  • Re: Irrelevant
    Dec. 21, 2007 9:08 a.m.

    Not discrediting the win... Just discrediting the Ute fans who BOOO HOO HOO HOOOOOOO about things that don't seem to go in their favor, yet try to wax eloquent over irrelevant pieces of the game that went in their favor.

    We can at least agree on the fact that the win is comprised of the entire 60 minutes, and that one blown call was not the deciding factor in the game.

    Maybe, rather than sticking up for the play, you should be wondering why the defense allowed Navy to score on a pass play over the middle, and recover an onside kick.

    You know, when it all comes down to it, I think that sometimes when you're doing the things that you're supposed to, the good Lord looks down on you and pats you on the back and gives you a little blessing... When those things happen, it's like magic.

    Re: NachoGrande - Very funny!

  • Utah's Real Bowl game1
    Dec. 21, 2007 9:10 a.m.

    The Utes lost their Bowl game. It was in November. This was an example of licking wounds and trying to forget the real pain that continues to ache.

    They will feel this pain once again next year as we create Chaos for the Utes.

    The Cougar devoured the Ute. All that is left is carnage.

    Nice win over Navy? We always have to leave some scraps. BYU ownes Utah. Period.

  • Pedro
    Dec. 21, 2007 9:16 a.m.

    It sounds like there are to many Ute fans that can't stand hearing that they won by luck or a bad call made by the ref's. I don't give this game to the ref's and I think Utah would have won either way but it is still news when the officials actually come out and give a statement saying they made a bad call. When was the last time you hear that happening? For me it has never happened, officials act and feel to "high and mighty" to ever acknowledge that they made a mistake and they would back their call to the grave. So those of you who think this shouldn't be written are just trying to give yourselves every out that Utah won because they were the better team. No matter what you all think this is news and I for one am happy to see it and give these officials credit for standing up and admitting a mistake.

  • LB
    Dec. 21, 2007 9:18 a.m.

    Utah crybabies! What does anything that happened on the field last night between Utah and Navy have to do with BYU. Grow up, Utat fans!
    You know, I have a BA from Utah and a MS and Ph.D. from BYU. While at Utah I noted that every single day there was an article in the Chronicle that was critical of BYU, the LDS Church, or Mormons in general. When I was at BYU working on my graduate degrees (5 total years) I noted that hardly ever, maybe once a week at the most, was there an article about the UofU, whether negative or positive.
    Get a life, Utah!!!

  • UteGary
    Dec. 21, 2007 9:18 a.m.

    What about the unexplainable pass interference call when the ball was behind the receiver and uncatchable because the defender was between him and the ball. It gave Navy a 1st down by penalty on their way to a touchdown. Wasn't that a blown call also? You rarely hear the officials admitting a mistake. Why last night? Why this game? They make bad calls and non-calls all the time. We never get much of an explanation. It would be nice at the end of the season of which official was considered as being good or not. Have the conference give them a grade and explain if they are retained or not.

    I realize these officials were not from the MWC. Thank heavens, it could have been a poorer called game.

  • MikeH
    Dec. 21, 2007 9:22 a.m.

    Yeah that is why Utah was how many consecutive conference wins and Championships?

  • Lou Holtz is rediculous
    Dec. 21, 2007 9:28 a.m.

    I have to admit I gave into my BYU Pride and cheered for the Mtn west conference last night; however, Lou Holtz' comments on Utah being the #1 non-BCS team was absolutely rediculous. And I'm not just saying that because BYU beat them but because Utah isn't even ranked. There are tons of non BCS teams that are clearly better than Utah.

    That comment was just rediculous. I can't believe they allow him to do play by play. Regardless of his coaching career most his comments are off the wall.

  • ron
    Dec. 21, 2007 9:33 a.m.

    yea anon, that is why holtz is on t.v. and no longer coaching. He really knows his stuff. Utah looked good with their passing attack the second half. Those of us who have seen Utah play knew what was coming but navy was not able to stop it. Congratulations to the Utes. They won the game and that is all that matters.

  • UteGary
    Dec. 21, 2007 9:33 a.m.

    What about the onside kick call? It wasn't even reviewed, it should have been. It appeared to me that Sylvester had the ball before he went down to the ground and we couldn't see anything because of the Navy bench.

  • jashill
    Dec. 21, 2007 9:38 a.m.

    Why did the officials make a public statement about a blown call in this game. Every game has several bad calls. They should have just shut up because the announcement makes no difference, but to taint a win by a gutsy team that would have found a way to win regardless.

    BYU FAN

  • differences
    Dec. 21, 2007 9:43 a.m.

    the calls against Utah on the last drive by BYU are considered "questionable" by some, the call FOR Utah against Navy was "WRONG" there is a difference, those calls against Utah were technically correct, but were not consistent with how they called the rest of the game, the call for Utah was wrong, there is no technically, its just wrong

  • We need more info!
    Dec. 21, 2007 9:43 a.m.

    Instant replay has revealed what football loudmouths have been spewing for years. "refs are blind" It is absolutely true(outcome of the game aside) that refs are seeing things in a different way than the rest of the world. How else do you explain crystal clear evidence being ignored or interpreted in the wrong way. Replay has revealed this. It makes me wonder what kind of personalities are officiating these games. We need more information about the process, the evaluation, the training, etc. I completely understand a call made in the moment; however, when there is a clear slow motion up close view that goes the wrong way the integrity of the process is completely undermined. WE need more info!
    Outcome of the game aside.

  • re: Lou Holtz comments
    Dec. 21, 2007 9:46 a.m.

    Come on, don't be silly. Who cares what Lou Holtz says, you sound desperate and insecure. Do you really need validation from some guy who couldn't care less about these teams other than the fact he's paid to talk about the game. It's like listening to Vitale praising BYU's basketball team against Louisville and NC -- we like to hear nice things, but don't mistake all the praise as being sincere and serious, eh says stuff like that during every game he announces. Besides, if Utah really does have the best personel, what does that say about a mediocre 9-4 record? Who gets the blame for not being better?

  • Carl
    Dec. 21, 2007 9:53 a.m.

    You are not going to consider Lou Holtz an expert are you? This guy is a complete boob and if he had not failed at some fairly prestigious universities, he would not even have a job.

  • Ben
    Dec. 21, 2007 9:54 a.m.

    After the stop, Navy chose to run a quick quarterback draw on 1st down for minimal gain. If they had been at the twenty they probably run the option outside and don't turn the ball over on downs (or even with the same play calling, just cause there isn't a slick spot they don't turn it over on downs)

    There is no excuse for blowing that replay. It was not a close or difficult call. I have a small grainy TV. But when I can freeze frame the player inbounds without the ball, or So'oto on his knee with the ball and the officials aren't fixing the calls something is Rotten in the State of Denmark.

  • Navy's Head Coach Comment
    Dec. 21, 2007 10:02 a.m.

    I don't know if you saw and/or heard but Navy's head coach said that whether they were on the 1 inch line or the 20 yard line, he STILL would have called the same 4 plays. After all, that's all they have, fullback dive, option QB run, option pitch, straight pitch. Do your homework BYU fans before you bash.

  • Stevarino
    Dec. 21, 2007 10:02 a.m.

    I NEVER want to hear another Yewt fan complain about reffing after this obviously bad call against Navy. Any intelligent fan knows that bad calls go either way in any given game. You apppreciate the ones that go for you and live with the ones that go against you. My problem with the Yewts is that everyone writes in as if they were a passionate fan. There was TOTAL lack of red in the stadium. They couldn't even sell half of their allotted tickets. What's the matter Yewt fans, your boss couldn't get anyone else to work the drive thru window???

  • Fire Ludwig
    Dec. 21, 2007 10:05 a.m.

    He had weeks to prepare for the worst pass defense in the nation and he throws the ball seven times for 27 yards? Why does he continually outsmart himself? Why did he not do what the rest of the nation knew to do until the 3rd quarter? The only two what ifs here are:

    What if Ludwig wasn't the OC at Utah, how good would they be?
    What if Ludwig would have thrown the ball all game, would this call really have mattered?

    Hey Ludwig what if, for next year, you draw up a quadruple reverse, do you think we would get negative 15 or 18 yards on the play?

  • OK. Regarding the Holtz comment
    Dec. 21, 2007 10:14 a.m.

    I cheer for Utah when they're playing out of conference teams. In conference, I don't care if they win or lose, as long as they lose to BYU. I'm glad they beat Navy. Congrats.

    However, if Utah in fact does have the best non-BCS talent in the country, they have the worst non-BCS coaching staff in the country. Again, congrats.

  • Come On Scott
    Dec. 21, 2007 10:15 a.m.

    Certainly, the call was newsworthy and needs to be reported.

    But to state that the result "certainly affected" certain things is a little over the top.

    The difference in time was about 3 seconds (the time to run the 4th and goal play) so the call didn't affect game time at all. Did it "certainly affect" Navy's playcalling? According to Navy, they call the same plays whether it is 1st and 10 from their 1 or from their 20 yard line. So how can Scott say for sure it affected their playcalling?

    I don't even know how he can say it "certainly" affected momentum. Stuffing Utah on the goalline certainly swung momentum in Navy's favor just 3 or 4 seconds after the would be touchback.

    I think the DNews should report the error and state possible affects on the game but get rid of the "certainly" stuff.

  • look out for the band wagon
    Dec. 21, 2007 10:22 a.m.

    Just think, the utes had a decent season. Shucks, now I'm going to have to deal with more closet people who are only Utah fans win they win a game...

  • To Lou Holtz is ridiculous
    Dec. 21, 2007 10:23 a.m.

    You didn't understand what Lou said. His statement was that Utah was the most talented non-bcs team, not the #1 non-bcs team, that is obviously Hawaii. One of the pre-season pubs said the same thing, but still picked them to finish 4th in the conference. It may be true, it may not be, but that is what he said. In a way it is almost a condemnation of the coaching staff (If you have the most talent, you should win). Great win. Nobody but BYU and Navy fans will remember the call, and a win is a win. People whining about it being tainted on both sides of the argument are lame.

  • another tainted win
    Dec. 21, 2007 10:31 a.m.

    Navy would have won the game if the officials had called that one right. That bad call put them in a very tough position and they were robbed. Put an aterisk next to this win for Utah. How embarrassing.

  • Too late now
    Dec. 21, 2007 10:37 a.m.

    Nice of the officials to fess up right after the game, too bad they didn't get it right during the game. Navy most likely would have won if the right call was made. This is going to leave a very bitter taste in their mouths and I know the Utes would feel the same way if had happened to them (can you say lynch mob?). Yes, put a big old asterisk next to this win.

  • re: LB
    Dec. 21, 2007 10:40 a.m.

    Whatever you say Dr. LB...go back to your own message board. If we wine so much why are you here? Why do you care? Leave and quit winning about the Ute winners. In actuality, take a look, using your advanced degrees (which total five years of grad school) and look over the thread, you will notice that most of the crying it is coming from cougartown.

  • Ummm Some More
    Dec. 21, 2007 10:44 a.m.

    The rulebook also states that a player cannot fumble forward while the player is moving out of bounds. This is part of the rule to prevent the offense from being able to intentionally fumble forward and recover the ball in the endzone for a touchdown.

    The ball was clearly moving forward.

  • No Difference?
    Dec. 21, 2007 10:45 a.m.

    No Duh? Of course the call made a difference. Even if you run the ball, running from the 20 vs. the 1 yard line is huge. Not to mention the clock-management issues and the decision to go for it on 4th down. That being said, good win for the Utes. Poinsettia Bowl Champs 2007. The first of 30+ teams to end their season as champions of something.

  • Unbelievable
    Dec. 21, 2007 10:47 a.m.

    The refs even used instant replay to review the call and still got it wrong during the game! I guess they didn't completely understand the rule on this situation and someone else had to explain it to them later? That one bad call was vey significant and likely would have changed the final score with Navy getting the win. Now we'll never know.

  • RE: Ute Gary
    Dec. 21, 2007 10:49 a.m.

    Actually, the PI call was correct. The ball landed near the feet of the DB and Reciever. The reciever was turned looking back trying to catch the ball, however, the DB kept going down field. If the DB turns and looks for the ball he has every right to go after it, however, if he fails to look for the ball and makes contact like that it a PI call every time. He was in perfect position, he just failed to turn and look for the ball. A big No No...

  • Holtz
    Dec. 21, 2007 10:51 a.m.

    Any unbiased Ute fan has to agree that Lou Holtz's comments really had no validity. In 2004, Holtz would have been 100% correct. Since then, not even close. Remember, Utah lost 3 conference games which resulted in a 3rd place finish in the Mountain West. 3rd place in the "weaker" Mountain West, but the best non-BCS team? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me Lou. I'm not saying BYU is the best non-BCS team either (you obviously need to look at Hawaii, Boise State, and others), but the last two years they have been proven to be a better team then Utah by going undefeated in conference two straight years. Boise State last year and Hawaii this year proved to BYU that they are better because they also went undefeated in their non-conference schedule and BYU did not. Next time Lou Holtz makes a statement like that, he needs to be able to back it up.

  • Nice job Utes
    Dec. 21, 2007 10:52 a.m.

    I graduated from UNLV, so during Bowl season, I cheer for all the Mtn. West teams. What's good for the conference is good for UNLV. Nice job Utes, good win against a good Navy team.

  • RE; Utahs Bowl game in November
    Dec. 21, 2007 11:12 a.m.

    Devoured the Utes? Two Wins on last minute miracles is hardly devouring. Beside if ours was November yours was September when you lost to a Bottom level Pac 10 team in UCLA so why are you even playing again?

    Lou Holtz was not incorrect in his assesment he is smart enough to see 1-3 to 9-4 using third string players and freshman you had to pull of redshirt status(true Freshman)means you have good, deep talent. That said Best Talent does not mean best team. Utah has Proven that.

    To Not Irrelevant,
    The difference is that Urbans team and coordinator knew that the game is played endzone to endzone not sideline to sideline so when push came to shove he had the ability to line up and run a power game if necessary. Which leads to the final point. Utah has the Talent. Until they get an offensive (because I doubt Ludwig will figure it out) coordiantor that knows what to do with that talent they will be an average ball club with a great D and inconsitent offense. That hurts because I am a Ute Fan but it is true.

  • Tainted?
    Dec. 21, 2007 11:14 a.m.

    That call CHANGED NOTHING!!! Utah had stuffed them 3 straight times. They would have ran the same stuff. Their first carry got em 5 yards. So they still couldnt get 5 more on 3 more plays? I dont care where you are at, 4 plays to get 10 yards and they couldnt get em. As for Holtz comments. Utah lost 1 game with Brian Johnson and Darryl Mack. And it was a fluke loss. They are arguably them best non BCS team. Their early losses were without up to 15 starters.

  • CougarKeith
    Dec. 21, 2007 11:15 a.m.

    As Usual I called that one right too! Would it have made a difference? Who knows, it doesn't matter, the game is over and the outcome can't be changed. The Replay Ref messed up, the Utah Offensive Coordinator called all the wrong plays in the first half. A game is played because of the "What could happens" on the field that don't on paper, and for our entertainment and the LOVE OF THE GAME. As aggrivating as it was, the SIMPLE FACT: UTAH WON & NAVY LOST! Did Utah get a Christmas Present from the Replay Ref, You bet they did, and they still almost blew it if it wasn't for Navy's #7 slipping all night long and not being smart enough to change to deeper cleats, who knows, Navy still might have pulled it out! Utah is tied with the Nations LONGEST BOWL WINNING STREAK and needs to be congratulated no matter how they won, and how weak of a team they beat. The fact is, Navy is the #1 rushing offense in the nation, and they did a good job again last night too! IT WAS A GREAT GAME Minus ONE CALL! Way to go Utes!

  • hahahaha....
    Dec. 21, 2007 11:17 a.m.

    Cougar fans kill me, you little special people need to realize had that been called a touchback then Utah would have got the ball back and ran the clock out. Final score 28-25. Navy got that last touchdown on a team that had the game won. should have been 35-25. That call meant nothing. Tainted??? Ha, you guys need to get back on your short busses

  • Re: NachoGrande
    Dec. 21, 2007 11:41 a.m.

    I'm a BYU fan, but I'll still admit that was hilarious! I think it's obvious that certain media reporters wear red and blue goggles and it's obvious in the articles they publish and comments they make. It could be that this one's biased. I guess it's something both sides have to live with.

  • Buddha Ute
    Dec. 21, 2007 11:43 a.m.

    Instead of thinking of the bad call as luck, I prefer to think of it as karma.

    After spinning against the Utes in such an unfortunate way during the BYU game, the karmic wheel came back around during the Poinsettia Bowl.

    Am I wrong in assuming the Coogs are hoping for the same in their rematch against UCLA?

  • Re No Difference
    Dec. 21, 2007 11:46 a.m.

    What clock management issues came out of the bad call? In essense, Navy got the ball back with less than 5 seconds ticking off the clock from when they would have had it - the time it took to run one 4th down play and the clock was stopped before and after that play.

    I can understand POSSIBLE momentum and field position issues being discussed but not game time issues. The 5 seconds are meaningless.

  • Holtz
    Dec. 21, 2007 11:51 a.m.

    Of course Holtz says praiseworthy things about Utah during a Ute game. We all know he knows basically nothing about any MWC, WAC, or non-BCS team so he just says nice things because a lot of Utah fans were watching last night. It's similar to Vitale going nuts about Plaisted during the UNC game.

    Guys, these national announcers don't know or care about non-BCS teams. Don't take their comments like they are gospel truths.

    And, from what I heard, he never said Utah was the best non-BCS team in the nation as people are quoting. He talked about talent, not this year's "team". I'm not defending the fact that Utah has the best talent (remember, he is just rambling, not doing an analysis).

    But, I think a case can be made that Utah, over the past 5 years or so, is one of the top non-BCS teams (programs) in the country. They've won 46 games, 5 bowl games, 2 OCC, and a Fiesta Bowl over that 5 year time period. Certainly, that qualifies as being one of the best non-BCS programs.

  • Bad calls happen
    Dec. 21, 2007 11:53 a.m.

    The Utes have been burned by questionable pass interference calls against BYU the last two years, but that's not why BYU won those games. BYU won because they made plays when they had to when the game was on the line.

    Utah won last night because they made plays when they had to.

    Remember, Navy had two opportunities to win or tie the game after that bad call was made, and the Utes stopped them both times: on 4th and 2, and then later with the interception. Officials are always going to make mistakes, but the players still dictate the outcomes.

    It's disingenuous for BYU fans to claim that those 19 yards were the decisive factor in Utah's win. Come on - the Utes deserve a little more credit than that.


  • Whiners All
    Dec. 21, 2007 12:03 p.m.

    Just because someone says that the obviously blown call presented a disadvantage for Navy doesn't make them a BYU fan. ESPN says it, CNNSI says it, FoxSports says it, and you can bet Navy and Navy fans are saying it (maybe not publicly baecause they have class). I reallt don't think it changed the outcome. Stop whining and enjoy a solid Utah victory over a good team. That goes for BYU fans too.

    As for the BYU Utah game, there were several questionable calls each way including the two that are constantly whined about here. BYU lost a touchdown to one of those and Ute fans weren't whining about that one. The fact of the matter is that it was an excellent game and both teams had their chances.

    Congrats to Utah and I hope all MWC teams win their bowl games because the conference needs the exposure. We sure don't get it from the MTN!

  • LEM
    Dec. 21, 2007 12:04 p.m.

    What a bunch of Byu WHINNERS lets see if they have to eat Crow!! They still have a game to play

  • CougarKeith
    Dec. 21, 2007 12:07 p.m.

    Dear hahahaha... Where are you coming from? The score at the "Touch Back Blown Call" was Utah 28, Navy 25. Navy should have gotten the ball on their own 20 with 3:43 ON THE CLOCK. Figure they go 50 yards to the other 30, they had all 3 time outs, and the clock stops for first downs, and out of bounds plays. This would give them a 47 yard field goal attempt, and their kickers long was 52 yards against Army. This would have tied the game and left little time for Utah to score. I think you need to learn the rules Mr. "hahahaha", sounds to me like you don't know squat about football. Regardless, nobody is crying they are just admitting that Utah caught a break, a game is a game, it ended the way it ended, and people can complain all they want, it doesn't change the fact of the matter, UTAH WON! Nice game Utah. When it comes to Bowl Games I always route for the Mountain West Teams! Although I am a proponent for BYU & Utah starting a new Conference with Boise State and others, or BYU moving to the Big XII!

  • Post Season Matters
    Dec. 21, 2007 12:18 p.m.

    All these Cougie fans here, trying to tear down the Ute team that the continually fear. Your BEST win of the season came against US!! UTAH didn't get beat in the MWC this year, they gave away the wins...and there is a differnece.

    Either way, the post season is what matters...and UTAH is clearly the superior team compared to all MWC teams, including BYU. What does it matter that Utah lost to AF or UNLV ealier in the season....they shine in the post season. Look what a "undefeated" season got BYU....a rematch with a team that wouldn't even qualify for the postseason without a win over YOUR team!!! Hilarious that you COUGIES complain about playing such a weak team and having a rematch but, if you would have taken care of business the first time, UCLA wouldn't even qualify for the bowl.

    BYU is terrible in the postseason, UTAH is brilliant, and the records show that. Can't argue with that, pathetic whining cougarettes.

  • I HATE BYU
    Dec. 21, 2007 12:19 p.m.

    'nuff said

  • ron
    Dec. 21, 2007 12:34 p.m.

    Ben, I appreciate what you had to say and agree in most part but Please leave my ancestry out of this, they are not here to defend themselves, or what has aged or died along the way. Ta.

  • DEAR "I HATE BYU"
    Dec. 21, 2007 12:34 p.m.

    who cares (snore, snore). MORE than "nuff said"!!!

  • Good Win
    Dec. 21, 2007 12:37 p.m.

    Biggest BYU Cougar fan here... and I thought it was a great win for the MWC. Of course I don't love Utah. OK, I don't even like Utah. Not at all. But I was really pulling for them to win. Now it is up to BYU and the other 3 MWC schools to all go and win their bowls. Having 5/5 wins in bowl season goes a long way to national respect. The officials did blow the call, and anyone that has ever played the game knows that when you are on the 1 foot line you CAN'T PASS! You have to run, run run to be safe. Look what happened a little later when they scored so easily. So I have to disagree that the call was irrelevant. It was HUGE! If I were Navy I would be more than a little upset. But is still was a great game. Good job Utes.

  • Joe Moe
    Dec. 21, 2007 12:41 p.m.

    I frankly don't care much about this whole thing one way or the other. But to those who say the win is tainted, would you say the same thing if this had happened in the first quarter?

    Little things like this happen all the time, and just have to be factored in as part of the game.

    Congrats to the Utes.

  • RE CougarKeith
    Dec. 21, 2007 12:43 p.m.

    Yes, Navy "should have" gotten the ball back with 3:43 to go. However, they did get it back with 3:40 to go and the score the same.

    If they were going to go 50 yards in the next 3.5 minutes in one scenario, why not the other? Do those 3 seconds really matter? Also remember the kicker had already missed a 40 yarder earlier in the game so 'crediting' him a 47 yarder isn't a given.

    The call was bad. But, Navy sucked it up and stopped Utah at the goalline on the next play and got the ball back anyway.

    Stating Utah "needed" the call to win is disengenuous. Nobody knows for sure what would have happened had the call been called right. However, chances are the Utes would have still prevailed.

    It's too bad the call went the way it did. However, Utah had the lead when the call was blown and gave the ball back to Navy on the next play. So for such a blown call, I can't imagine a scenario where, in the end, it would have impacted the game any less than it did.

  • ron
    Dec. 21, 2007 12:48 p.m.

    you, the elitist editorial board are not relevent.

  • Bad Call
    Dec. 21, 2007 12:59 p.m.

    First - Those two calls at the end of the BYU v U game were not bad calls they were legit.
    Second - Navy had plenty of chances to win. They missed several scoring opportunities.
    Third - the tiny utes should have dominated that game. Instead they played a sloppy Utah like inconsistent game.
    Fourth - If Navy starts on the 20 yard line instead of the 1 the play calling totally changes. They are able to do more side to side option rather then their weak dive play. If they were able to move more around more and get to the corners where they were very effective last night they might have a chance to go down and score. IF anything else if they go 4 and out like they did Utah is still at the 29 instead of the 9. Navy has a better chance of holding them to just a field goal.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 21, 2007 1:08 p.m.

    I'm not as worried about griping about the wrong call. It was wrong, but whether or not it changed the outcome is debatable all day long.

    What I find extremely interesting is that with the best non-BCS talent in the country the utes still have to turn to trick plays to win games. That's been there M.O. for years (from the old duck-formation, etc). With all that talent they can't just line up and play football. Thay have to resort to trickery like reverses, double reverses, fake everythings, etc in nearly every game this year (incl. Wyoming).

    That tells me that either the best talent means nothing, or the coaching situation is pathetic. Either way it'd be nice if the MWC could go 5-0 in bowls, even though I just couldn't bring myself to root for the utes.

    Here's to the Cougars - one of the best non-BCS teams in the country without all that much talent. Good luck against the Bruins. 31-13.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 21, 2007 1:24 p.m.

    it was a bad call but navy had their chances and didn't capitalize

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 21, 2007 1:31 p.m.

    it was a bad call but keep in mind, navy had their chances, even on onside kick, remember, a fumble as well in the redzone... let's not forget those tidbits, they had plenty of things go their way

  • Cougarfan
    Dec. 21, 2007 1:48 p.m.

    Not a bad article, but when it comes down to it the Utes did what it took to win. You have to admit that whether you're a BYU fan (like me) or a ute.

  • speakandspell
    Dec. 21, 2007 1:56 p.m.

    You UTE fans are sure representing the university well, what with all of your fine argumentitive tactics and spelling.

  • Think a little
    Dec. 21, 2007 2:24 p.m.

    Congrats Utes! I'm glad that your fan base doesn't represent your players. Mack is a class act & after meeting some of the players families a few weeks ago in LES I'm a fan of some of the other players as well. A win is a win ya'all. Nothing can be said to dispute that. Here's to the MWC winning their bowls out. GO COUGS! 31-14

  • Alert: Re match scheduled
    Dec. 21, 2007 2:30 p.m.

    In view of the blown call, Navy has requested a sudden death playoff against Utah. The rematch is scheduled to take place during the half time of the Las Vegas Bowl. Special Tickets for this EVENT maybe purchased from any BYU fan for a discounted price of $100 per ticket(small unmarked bills,in a brown paper sack, sorry no checks)

  • Lou Holtz?
    Dec. 21, 2007 2:32 p.m.

    Isn't this the same guy who predicted Notre Dame going undefeated this year? Yeah... he's one to know talent alright.

  • MWC is
    Dec. 21, 2007 2:37 p.m.

    The best non-BCS conference. Congratulation Utah on a hard fought victory last night. I know you guys would beat both Hawaii and BSU. Not bad for the team that finished third in the MWC.

  • Cougar Fan
    Dec. 21, 2007 2:41 p.m.

    Good win Utah. Congratulations. After saturday, it will be a long off season for all of us. Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas.

  • MADRYBEG
    Dec. 21, 2007 2:44 p.m.

    wii--You are a class act, you know that? This is not the only thread you have commented on, but your comments are just as dumb. You feel the ONLY reason Utah won was due to the refs? Go back to the BYU game you cling to and check out two plays. The one where the Utah player got clobbered by a Y defender on a pass play that was not called and the one where Utah WAS called. If you take off the blue blinders even you can admit it.
    You really need to take a look at the big picture. All teams from the MWC need to win for the good of the confernce. If you ever want BYU to play in a better conference, in a better bowl that is how you do it. Eight bowl wins in school history does NOTHING to boost that!

  • Re speakandspell
    Dec. 21, 2007 2:47 p.m.

    Perhaps you should learn to spell before criticizing others. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, if you know what I mean.

    "argumentitive".

    LOL

  • dj
    Dec. 21, 2007 3:01 p.m.

    Hey come on. Give the Utes a break. They didn't make the bad call, the reviewing official did. Even assuming the Ute coaching staff had access to the replay footage before the bad call, I'm unaware of any way they could have gone to the officials and conceded. I've never heard of such a thing having been done. Has anyone else? Utah got a break, but almost every team in every game "gets a break."

    Did it change the game's outcome? Every call, good or bad, can be said to have changed any game's outcome. When a bad call or a gross non-call goes against you, you just have to play the game from that point forward. No looking back.

    Besides, if Brooks had been hit at the four yard line and fumbled the ball forward and it had gone out at the six inch line, the official would have been correct to mark the ball where the ball left his hand; not where it crossed the line. That being the case, the ball was properly out of bounds when it left his hand, nes pa?

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 21, 2007 3:07 p.m.

    It may have made a difference in play calling, but they ran the same stuff they ran all game, and all year. Nobody needs more room to work with when backed up on their own goal line. Nobody has a play where you go more than 10 yards backwards before you go forwards. Ask any Navy offensive player and I guarantee you they will tell you that they should have executed there.

    The time they lost was only how much time it took Utah to run that play. The previous play was out of bounds and the clock stops on the turnover on downs.

    Stuffing Utah at the goal line would create even more momentum than reversing that call and giving them the touchback. They should have had even more momentum and emotion after a goalline stand that gave them the ball back with a chance to tie or take the lead.

  • BYU's BEST WIN
    Dec. 21, 2007 3:16 p.m.

    was against Air Force this season, not against the 3d place SN*Ts (school north of town). Don't flatter yourself ute fans.

  • Ute fans--
    Dec. 21, 2007 3:17 p.m.

    Admit it, you were worked by BYU and were lucky to even lead in that game. 4 & 18, I still smile every time I say it.

    You were lucky to win against Navy, the refs admit that with their apology. Further, everyone and their dog knows that Navy has a horrible pass defense, what took Ludwig so long to figure that one out? Oh, that's right, Johnson can only throw the short pass over the middle for 5 yards, then hope for more YAC.

    You lost to the worst team in the MWC, UNLV.

    And Holtz' comment was an insult against your coaching staff since the best talent should win the most games, but 4 losses proved the coaches didn't know what to do with that talent.

    Here's a prediction for next season, BYU wins again in LES North. And Collie, Pitta and Unga will be open yet again.

    Enjoy your tainted win, if you weren't sackless, you'd give the trophy to the real winners of last night's game: Navy

    RISE AND SHOUT THE COUGARS ARE BACK!!!

  • speakandspell
    Dec. 21, 2007 3:19 p.m.

    Ok, I'm still 1 for 2, unlike your team against
    byu.

  • utah_man18
    Dec. 21, 2007 3:40 p.m.

    Wow, "Alert: Re match scheduled," are you really going to sit there and tell me that the Vegas Bowl receives a lot of respect and the Poinsettia Bowl gets none? You don't need to be bitter that we won a good game and an exciting bowl while the best you can do is beat a team you already played this year in an equally un-respected game.
    Oh, and to you other coug fans sitting around with nothing better to do than watch the Utes win yet another bowl game, stop commenting on these boards and claiming things like "Those two calls at the end of the BYU v U game were not bad calls they were legit" and "the utes... have to turn to trick plays to win games." If you call a reverse a "trick play," you might as well say a play-action fake is a "trick play." Just because we use plays that catch a defense off guard doesn't mean our team and coaches are failures. Talk to me when you make it to and win a real bowl game (or win more than one or two bowl games in a row...). Go Utes! (best non-bcs talent!!!!!)

  • John
    Dec. 21, 2007 4:21 p.m.

    Why do Utah and BYU fans need to constantly try and
    "one up" the other side? One might begin to think that the fans care more about proving they are better than their respective rival school instead of just enjoying football.

  • YBU
    Dec. 21, 2007 4:27 p.m.

    Harline and Collie are still Homers.

  • don't forget
    Dec. 21, 2007 4:39 p.m.

    Utah was actually winning when all this happened.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 21, 2007 5:16 p.m.

    It does not matter at all if they were on the 20 or not, they are an option team. They would not have marched down the field and put it in. In the words of the Navy QB him self "It wouldn't have mattered if it[the football] was on the one foot line, or the 20 yard line. We would have run the same plays".

  • Worst call of the game...
    Dec. 21, 2007 6:06 p.m.

    wasn't this one. It was Lou Holtz saying multiple times that Utah is the best Non-B(c)S team. That is funny because they weren't even the best team in their Non-B(c)S conference. But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. He's old and that wasn't the only obsurd thing he said during the broadcast.

  • Rise and Shout Cougars
    Dec. 21, 2007 9:44 p.m.

    Just something to ponder, 17-27 you know what that means, and when UCLA pulls out yet another one on you Happy Valley Brothers it will sting even more... Good luck winning, pressure's on you, Utah already won and sealed our game with a pick, after Navy had a chance after recovering the onside kick.... Don't break a sweat just yet my Blue friends, no one expects you to really extend your bowl winning streak much more than one game anyways.

  • Re; Ute Fans... at 3:17
    Dec. 22, 2007 1:34 a.m.

    Ironic comment about luck coming as it apparently does from a Coog.

    The Coog's first bowl win took place in San Diego back in 1980. Ya'll call it the "Miracle Bowl" because frankly the Coogs had no business winning that game. Why else call it a 'Miracle?'

    Two questions:

    You guys still count that as a victory even though it took a 'miracle,' right?

    Does a victory due to a 'miracle' count for more than one due to 'luck?'

    Oh, and 'good' luck Saturday with UCLA.

  • Ute Football
    Dec. 22, 2007 5:00 a.m.

    If anything it's entertaining and has more drama than a 7th grade soccer game, and every Ute fan a soccer mom.

    Ute fans call out BYU for complaining about a non-existent facemask, yet they complain about calls made and not made against BYU. It's like they should be able to make every biased call themselves, or it doesn't count.

    But when a call is so missed the crew makes a statement after the game they rationalize it didn't make a difference (starting from the one foot line vs. the 20 yard line -- what football fan can't answer that one?)

    Just goes to show the same old Utes are playing. Coaches (Sanford) laughing at your tackling, Glenn giving your coach the one finger salute, and Holtz with the most backhanded slam at your coach (How does a team with the best non-BCS personel lose the "way" they do, unless just terribly poor coaching? You poor Utes have no program, no leader and no lives.

    Wow, it's like a a college team with 25,000 soccer moms trying to fill a 45,000 seat stadium.

  • Anonymous
    Dec. 22, 2007 7:30 a.m.

    Congrats to Utah. It is just a football game.

  • Nyron
    Dec. 22, 2007 7:36 a.m.

    I am amazed that this is supposed to be a ewetah comment section and so many comment on BYU. It really grates on the ewetah fans doesn't it. They did well against Navy. Enjoy it. Let the other teams and games go bye-bye.
    Respectfully I salute Utah.

  • Re: wii
    Dec. 22, 2007 8:51 a.m.

    what an idiotic statement..."Face it Utah you gotta cheat um to beat um". The UTES didn't cheat Navy, the refs mad a bad call (which is the reason they made their statement saying so!). Saying the Utes directly "cheated" the Navy football team would imply that they somehow bribed the officials to make that call, or all the players stood around the refs and threatened to beat them up after the game if they called it a fumble.

    The players just play football. The penalties and missed calls happen, but the players have to play regardless.

    Here's some advice for you, wii:
    "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

  • Utah is a joke
    Dec. 22, 2007 9:00 a.m.

    The best talented Non-BSC team in the country wouldn't have struggled to beat a team with almost the worst defense in the entire country and they would have won their conference and their fans would have actually bought tickets to the game. There's nothing in SNOTville but daydreaming. Glad you won, but you guys are pathetic.

  • RE:Worst call of the game.....
    Dec. 22, 2007 9:06 a.m.

    The only "obsurd" thing here is your spelling. Are you kidding me? What was your major at BYU? Hisstery?

  • floridian
    Dec. 22, 2007 9:29 a.m.


    why aren't ALL you Utahns pleased with a MWC team winning a bowl game? I hope the MWC ends up 4-0 this bowl season...how about you?

  • Utefire
    Dec. 22, 2007 10:09 a.m.

    Utah won. It was an excellent, outstanding entertaining bowl game. Navy was awesome and showed a ton of heart and resolve and never gave up. Utah played great. Johnson turned into a scoring machine and played at his best level. I am proud of the Utes. I loved that game. I hope the BYU game is as entertaining and that the MWC is as well represented.

  • Boring
    Dec. 22, 2007 10:11 a.m.

    The game was exciting; however the MWC is boring. If the MWC did not continue to exist, would anyone outside of its fan base notice?

  • Utards
    Dec. 22, 2007 10:38 a.m.

    Ute fans, its always so amusing to read your anti-BYU posts. Maybe they'll actually hurt when Utah beats BYU. Remember? We swept you in bball last year too! Freaking utards!

  • Yo Utah/BYU Football Affixiatoes
    Dec. 22, 2007 10:43 a.m.

    Who cares about all of this minor bowl talk?

    Utah and BYU along with about 50 other so-called BCS bowl game teams are totally irrelevant. Every game in reality during the season counts. If a team loses more than 1 game they will definitely be relegated to sub meaningful bowl status. Going to these dot com bowls is a joke! It's just another day after (or Monday morning) quarterbacks opportunity to weigh in on things they probably know little or nothing about.
    Replays don't mean the correct call will be made. I know of a former NFL official (who lives in Davis County) who said if an official made more than one bad call during the year, he would not be considered for the NFL playoffs. If anyone who knows what they are viewing on TV or what they may see while attending games (and knows the rules) and for all practical purposes know what game officials know, will admit if they are truthful, that many oversights and incorrect calls are made every game. If everything was called there would be nothing but whistles during a game. Holding could be called on virtually every down.

    Hang in there fans!

  • Re: Yo Football Affixiatoes
    Dec. 22, 2007 12:48 p.m.

    That certain former NFL official (who lives in Davis County) wouldn't be John Robinson, would it? Just curious.

  • re: floridian
    Dec. 22, 2007 1:00 p.m.

    acutally, I hope the MWC ends up 5-0 in bowl games (BYU, Utah, TCU, New Mexico, and Air Force). Get the facts right next time, dude.

  • Over the TOP, Again!!!
    Dec. 22, 2007 2:25 p.m.

    Way to go UTEs, the cougars put one over the top and won the game. did your defense not learn anything about pass coverage? Navy did exactly the same thing and apparently, no one is bringing it up in the post...The SAILOR is still open!!!

  • AHLH
    Dec. 23, 2007 7:43 p.m.

    First off, I'm a Navy fan. I don't think that Utah's win was luck. They played a good game. Navy played a good game too, and had its chances to win, including a dropped touchdown pass and a fumble on the 2 yard line. That said, I don't know whether we would have won or lost had the refs made the correct call on the goal line fumble. That's not the point to me. The point is that refs on the field miss calls...that's life. And yes, replay officials miss calls too, but it's their job to at least know the rules! And the replay officials at this game didn't even know the rule. Are you kidding me? Didn't even know the rule?! That's a travesty. Who are they hiring?! high school kids? It's not even a complicated rule, and it wasn't even close. I think that it's an embarrassment and the officiating crew should be ashamed. The replay official should be fired.