Religion: He focuses on beliefs he shares with others
I was impressed by what he said as I watched it live on TV. I was a worried
that Mitt might come across too contrived, and he might sound like he was trying
to tell everybody what he thought they wanted to hear. It was sincere and
honest. The media response was very positive. Over all this will work out to
help him get elected.
I understand that Romney wrote his own speech and that what he said was
obviously from the heart. You can disagree with a man like that but you have to
Romney displays a complete lack of understanding of separation of church and
state, and denigrated those of us who do not believe religious fairy tales.
Nonbelievers are good Americans too. Government should be secular. Religious
people have complete freedom to believe, pray etc. where ever they want EXCEPT
they shouldn't use the government to advance their religios agenda. The
religious right has hijacked the U.S. Constitution. Romney's speech kissed the
backsides of these evangelical fascist theocrats to show he endorses their
agenda for imposing personal religious beliefs on all of us via government.
This speech did it for Romney. Now is not the time to mess around with third
rate candidates like Ron Paul (who I like) or Mike Huckabee. A vote for them is
a vote for Giuliani, who will completely destroy the Republican party if he wins
the nomination. I don't even believe Giuliani can beat Hillary. Why? Because
there isn't much difference between the two, and even I (a Republican through
and through) will vote for Hillary vs Giuliani. A wolf in wolfs clothing is far
less dangerous to this country than a wolf in sheeps clothing. So really a vote
for Ron Paul or Huckabee is a vote for Hillary!
Fantastic. I wouldn't change a word. Inspiring!
Even if Romney doesn't get elected I hope that the other republican candidates
will be inspired by his words.
The speech was disturbing and self-contradictory. On one hand, Romney speaks of
the separation between church and state, and on the other he says we need more
religion in our discussions of public policy. He insultingly
denounced people who are secular, as if we are anti-moral and anti-American.
The most egregious form of political correctness is this deference
to so-called "people of faith" on matters of morality. If our politics is
going to be increasingly polluted with religion, we can no longer be polite to
the faith-based.My opposition to Romney is reaffirmed.
It may be a symphony, mitt, but I know who you expect will be conducting and who
will be in the back playing the triangle and who will be the roadie. You did a good job championing the church's rebranding efforts ("we're more
normal than you!") but outside utah this is a tempest in a teacup. When your words reflect life in Utah, or life in Utah reflects your words,
then I will believe.
I listened to and watched Mitt Romney's speech, and I feel he hit the nail on
the mark. He did a great job!! Everything he said came from his heart and he
didn't jeapordize anything. He didn't put anyone down and if some think he did
they really weren't listening. He stood for his beliefs and for what these the
United States of America is supposed to stand for and what our founding fore
fathers wrote in the Constitution and that is Freedom of Religion and Liberty.
Nobody should be judged by their faith. Mitt you did GREAT!!!
What Romney said was true and in harmony with the founding principles of our
great nation. Truth is truth whether you like it or not, it is still truth.
There is much to learn about Mormonism from his address. Some people hear the
truth and can't stand it, but the truth is still true. Our liberty was and is a
Gift from God, Freedom and Religion with tolerance must support each other.
Those offended by this speech must be opponents to freedom and liberty.
Romney's speech was a signature moment in American history. It brought us back
to ground level and introduced us once again to our forefather's principles.
His testamony is one that will be listened to and respected throughout the
I feel that he did not give the world quite what they were hoping for, in not
claiming or disclaiming certain aspects of the doctrines of the LDS church, but
as he stated, it would be unconstitutional if he had to defend his faith or
preach from a political pulpit. I think that he did well at building on
commonalities between not only Christian religions, but those of other faiths,
such as Muslim. He also reminded the nation of our religious heritage and the
need to keep religion and freedom together, otherwise the nation will fail. I
commend Mitt Romney on his courage and delivery.
To be honest I fully expected another mediocre pre-presidential speech that
would draw some media coverage and then die. This speech was unreal! This is the
kind of leader this nation needs at this time. Could you imagine any of the
other candidates even coming close to giving something like this?
I didn't read or hear the whole speach but am very impressed with what I did
hear. Isn't it wonderful to see a man who is faithful to his wife and family.
It sure says quite a bit about a man who honors his family. It seems like he
would honor his committment to our beautiful country also.
Separation of church and state- hmmm. Let's see that is detailed in which
amendment to the constitution? NOT. That's right,there is no such ammendment.
Never has been. This idea was hatched up by politians to apease the atheist
crowd. Read Washington, Jefferson and Adams writings and you will find NO
separation mentioned or even suggested. Interestingly enough today, you find the
ACLU and other cancerous organizattions preaching plently about atheism and that
is fine - I guess but don't any one dare mention the name of Jesus Christ . Pure
"Richard G" suffers from the delusion that something like "the separation of
church and state exists", it doesn't and it was never written as part of
official law in this country until some rogue judge in the 30's made it so. The
founders of this country clearly believed in a religion-centered government,
just not in a government religion. Two days after writing the "separation"
comment that today is erroneously-applied by religion-haters Thomas Jefferson
attended church ... in a service that was regularly held in the U.S. Capitol
I am a lifelong Mormon who admittedly has lost much of his testimony due to the
history and early doctrines of the Church. But Romney's speech made me very
proud of my LDS heritage. I believe he is someone who sheds a very bright and
positive light on all that is good about the Church. And I like that, despite
having to posture otherwise, he is probably a real Bush Sr. moderate at heart.
As a non-practicing Catholic living in Utah, I found Romney's speech very
impressive. It was patriotic, well-reasoned, and surprisingly inspiring. Like Richard G., I too noticed that while Romney was careful to be
inclusive of all faiths, he did seem to stop short of including people who do
not believe in God. On the other hand, neither Romney, nor any
Mormon I've talked to, has demonstrated the blatant lack of tolerance for
others' beliefs as he did here. If that is what atheists think of
others, and this is how they treat them, then I'm happy to hang on to my "fairy
tale" beliefs. Think what you will of people of faith, but the truth
is, if everyone believed and behaved as him, clearly this would would be a much
worse place. Why tear down other people for what they believe? Why
not discuss instead the merits of what YOU believe? Failing to do so
leaves us with the conclusion that perhaps there ARE no merits to atheism --
particularly when we see how miserable atheists are.
In my opinion, way too much media coverage has been given this non-issue. The
real issue is Mr. Romney's pandering to the "group of the day" that will garner
him the most support (votes, money, etc.) and the back peddling / damage control
/ spin that follows.The perceived concern is the influence the
Church of Jesus Christ of Ladder Day Saints would have on the Romney
administration .... how is this different from the influence of Evangelical
Christians on (enter administration name here)?The difference, it's
not their influence on the administration.
Romney made a fine speech that he shouldn't have had to make. Democrats are
never asked about their faith or religion. It just shows the bias of the media.
I can support any candidate that recognizes we have a serious immigration
problem, but after Bubba, it would be nice to have someone with family values
and integrity. This country desperately needs this. I do believe Romney is one
who would be that person.
So Mitt has now made his pandering to the religious right complete. I guess
Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, agnostics and atheists just don't have a place in the
country. Don't be surprised when the very bigots he's chatting up drop him for
wow. Mormons supporting Romney, who would have guessed? Too bad he put religion
ahead of the U.S. Constitution and ALL people just to suck up to the
RICHARD G. "Romney displays a complete lack of understanding of separation of
church and state...".I'm sorry Richard, but you are the one who has
misinterpreted the constitution. I quote from the First Amendment: "Congress
shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the
free exercise thereof...". You cannot find the words "Separation of Church and
State" in the U.S. constitution. The founding fathers most certainly intended
for religion to play a vital role in the direction and continued progress of
this great nation! Of coarse, they did not advocate that the state establish,
by law, the exercise of one religion over another, but all you must do is read
the constitution itself to understand that the free practice, or non-practice of
religion is an absolute right!! Romney and his fellow "evangelical fascist
theocrats" do not wish to impose religion upon you, but you are obviously
dedicated to imposing non-religion upon them (as is the radical American
left)!!! Radical liberalism seeks to destroy the most fundamental and critical
rights guaranteed us in the constitution, and I should hope you could see that
your own thoughts and opinions are under attack when such freedoms are
Timing and location were great. The speech was presidential and if there were
any fence sitters you pulled them back Mitt. Good for you and the country.
Governor Romney's speech was marvelous. However, ministers will use his lack of
LDS depth of discussion as fuel for their nasty little sermon's this past week.
Feelers indicate the sermon of the moment will be his lack of full disclosure on
the tenets of his faith as proof positive he is "ashamed" of his religious
roots. Ministers will pick up where Mitt left off. It will be brutal, just as
the polls will indicate at the close of the weekend.
Richard, sorry to hear you feel that way, though I am glad you posted. It is
good to hear all sides of the issue.I think it is fair to say that
the evangelical wing is playing an informal religion test. It is this same test,
and purity in passage that has eliminated Guiliani, and people such as Clinton,
Obama, etc.And the irony of these religious tests is that Bush
passed, and yet most religious voters I know really do not like his policies
outside of his views on religion.Americans are a faith based people,
so looking into the religious views is important. I respect that. We do not need
to worry about Romney or others imposing religion on us. On the other hand, we
do feel that atheism has spent the last many decades attacking everything we do
once we step outside of our front door.A balance has to be found and
I think we have found it. There is no religious test for being a candidate. And
voters get to ask religious questions of candidates. That is what took place
yesterday.Now for the same passion for balancing the budget, or
strengthening the dollar.
My husband and I felt that Mitt Romney did a fine job. It raised my eyebrows
when he mentioned the whole "Freedom needs religion and religion needs freedom"
thing, but do you know what? He's right! It is time America increases her
vessel of faith. My husband and I have. I am unable to bear children, but hope
to adopt. When I do, I hope that Mitt is the leader of our country, so that
they will have good character at the helm.Steve Schlotzky
Mitt is honest, passionate, creative, and very intelligent. He is a very
successful businessman and, therefore, probably THE best candidate to right the
budget woes of our country, build our economy and our international
relationships. As for the "non-believers," I don't think he meant any
disrespect by not mentioning them; I think the focus of this speach was to
address his faith and the role God plays for him relative to him being
president. I can't help but think that he we be a good, fair president for ALL
contributing citizens, believers and non-believers alike.
Richard,DID YOU LISTEN? He beleives that you should not be elected
for your faith or not elected for your faith. He was not the one bringing up his
faith in this election. He has tried and still has kept his personal faith out
of this. Pay attention and listen!
Religion hasn't mattered in this election, and it still won't matter. Romney's
supporters simply use his religion as a prop to sustain him, and then as an
excuse as to why he will lose.Conservative rhetoric does not replace
a liberal record. Huckabee has a proven conservative record, as
does Fred Thompson. Ron Paul is a respected Libertarian-leaning RepublicanJohn McCain is the very person that tried to hijack the GOP in 2000 when
he won the upset in New Hampshire, only to be defeated decisively in South
Carolina. Is Romney not guilty of the same corruption?Rudy Giuliani
is just like Mitt Romney - a liberal who has no respect for the Party of
Reagan.Mike Huckabee will beat Mitt Romney like a government mule.
Oh, and when I cast my vote for Mike Huckabee, I'll be wearing my CTR ring. I
might even cook some green Jell-O salad with marshmallows and carrots that
day.Mitt Romney's speech did nothing for his credibility. To label
his rhetoric as a "Symphony of Faith" is not only irresponsible, it's down right
dishonest. Mitt Romney's speech was a desperate attempt to garner a vote. He's
just not wanted among conservatives.
Gov. Romney's words were a breath of fresh air in a society that is more and
more saying that believing in God should not be talked about by anyone that is
in any government office. In God We Trust. Is the foundation of this nation
and those that want to change that will stop at nothing to remove God from
America. Thank you Gov. Romney for standing in the light and reaffirming what
this country's strength is all about.
Romney will get the Utah vote.So what?In the end, the Founding
Fathers' notion of complete separation of Church and State will stand.This
IS American after all and all REAL Americans will stand for nothing less.
It took a lot of courage and conviction to denounce secularism. Mitt Romney
spoke the truth. Kudos.
Richard G. do you have any idea of why this great nation of ours was founded?
Ever heard of a little thing called religious persecution? This country was
founded on a belief in God and you should be thanking your lucky stars that you
are privileged enough to live here where you can believe whatever you want to
believe. If you think our Founding Fathers didn't believe in God then you are
sorely mistaken. I'm so tired of the voice of the minority, ruining it for the
rest of us. For example, those who want the words "under God" taken out of the
pledge because it is a violation of their rights not to say "God" because they
don't believe in God. Well, what about MY right to say "under God"? I'm so
tired of being "PC" so as not to offend the fragile little hearts of those who
prefer to feel picked on simply because they are the minority. Religion is here
to stay in this country, it it really offends you so much, then GET OUT!
Mitt Romney said what was needed for the people of America especially those
groups concerned about his personal faith and religious depth. He appears for
sure the most presidential candidate my numerous friends and family have heard
or read about. He did include the non-believers who say he didn't. They just
couldn't read into it with a positive listening ear.
To all you who have denounced religion, that is fine and your opinion is
respected. But remember what our country was founded on, and why the founding
fathers came here, a release from oppression and religious freedom. How could
the colonies, incredibly outnumbered by the english, the world's most powerful
army, be able not only to withstand them, but to establish their here. It has
been a God-based country since the beginning, and that is why religion is so
vital to our country's success and foundation.
After reading the contents of the speech, I am certain that it had the effect
Mitt wanted. Except for a couple of unfortunate statements, it was a very good
speech.I take exception with the phrase "Freedom requires religion",
this is patently untrue. Mitt would have done himself a great favor by
replacing the word "religion" with "faith" After all, what is religion but
faith directed and defined. I think it can be shown that many very secular
countries have tremendous freedom, but freedom requires faith; faith in the
ability of mankind to rise above selfishness and power.Also, I don't
understand why the religious view the secular as the enemy. They are simply two
ethical choices. Religious fanaticism is much more the enemy of religion than
secularism. If you disagree, let me ask you all who is the greater enemy, the
atheist next door or Osama Bin Laden?
Awesome Mitt! I applaude when he said that you can't have freedom without
religion. Our country is based on this fact. The few 'seculars' posting can't
deny history. I suggest if you want a country without religion take it back to
England. This very well could be the beginning of ALL religions realizing
similarities in 'heart' and becoming a united nation again. Oh yeah, "One
nation under God."
When quoting John Adams (I believe), he said the constitution was for a
religious and a moral people. Aethiests can be a moral people. He didn't even
remotely suggest that if you are not sitting in a church pew on sunday your not
worthy of being called an American. That would be a religious test, and what he
spoke out against! To all you aethiest who got your panties in a bunch, the
constitution works for you too, if you respect my religion as I respect your
choice as well. The government should not supress either. It has no hand in my
freedom of conciense, nor yours. So I can't spell, sue me.
Mitt Romney did speak from his heart. He is a man of integrity and wants only
the very best for the United State of America. He is a man of values and loves
his wife and family. Like President Bush, Mitt is the man who will carry the
calling of President with upmost respect and honesty. He is not afraid to admit
error and yet humble with the abilities and experience he has. My hat goes off
to you Mitt...hopefully the citizens of the United States will open their hearts
and minds and see with full vision your capabilities and love for this nation.
You have my vote.
I feel like I am in elementary school when I read some of these comments.First, to insult someones belief by referring to it as a "Fairy Tail" is
outrageous. But I am sure you have not moral issue with that!!!Second, Separation of Church and State, Our Founders would have NEVER imagined
not having FAITH in a GREATER POWER, THE CREATOR.......WAKE UP. LEARN MORE
ABOUT THE GREAT MEN WHO SIGNED THE CONSTITUTION......Third,
Non-Believers are "Good Americans too", only shows your LACK OF INTELLEGENCE. I
have never met a member of "THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATER DAY SAINTS" that
believes non-members are NOT GOOD AMERICANS. REALITY...LDS belive
ALL HUMANS are GOOD [WORLD WIDE] and have the LIGHT OF CHRIST...Next
time keep your comments of ignorance to yourself. Final comment:
you want to know what a Baptist believes, visit their church learn, same for
Episcopalian, Catholic, Methodist, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints, Jehovah Witness just to name a few. DONT'T LEARN FROM THE
NON-BELIEVERS propaganda, by the way, where is the MORALS when you are not
sharing love but hate, makes ya go HMMMMM.
you can have a seperation of religion and state and still have religion in the
public. he talking about ACLU and all the other organizations that are trying to
take "under God" out of the pledge or prayer in school. he's not saying those
without faith are any less american, he's just saying that if someone with faith
would like to publicly display it by praying then that's just dandy. also, that
no matter what these groups say, God will be an integral part of our money and
pledge....AS WAS INTENDED BY OUR FORFATHERS. pull your head out and think a
If Mitt has the only true church and all the others are apostates what does he
have to explain, he is right and they are wrong: end of conversation.
Shorter Mitt: It's wrong to use Mormonism as a religious test for public office.
The correct test is whether you're a Christian.
I am not sure if you paid close attention to Romney's speach. By your comments,
you obviously did not. Romney spoke of the importance of religion and freedom -
he spoke of respect to Jews, Muslims and other groups - not just protestant
Christian sects. I would like you to help me on something. Will
you please name one US president that did not mention something about faith
while he was in the white house? What one's personal convictions
are or are not should not be criteria for a public office (look at our speaker
of the house). The media has pushed Romney to make this speach. He did great.
Thank you Governor Romney for giving us a real choice!Wouldn't it be
nice to have someone with real values leading our country. As he spoke, we
could picture George Washington, John Adams or Abraham Lincoln saying exactly
the same things he said....and in the same way.Thank you Governor
I think it's kind of funny because I saw the way he stood up for Christianity a
little different. Christians today are heavily persecuted based on past
historical events, and those who are outspoken among that religion. The truth is
that there are many who are not like, but are afraid to publicly let others know
what they believe. While there is a great effort to protect a variety of other
beliefs, there is no protection for Christians. They are suddenly prejugded as a
bigoted, self-ritious people, unaccepting people. Those who are quote
"non-believers" preach tolerance, but there is none for those Christians. I have met many wonderful Christians who are afriad to come out about
thier beliefs because they will just be torn down. It's truly sad. This speech
is hope that there is equality for those who practice that faith in which this
country was founded. Sure there are a number of those who aren't Christian who
are good American's, but please, let's respect everyone.
Romney is big in Utah (of course) and with Rush Limbaugh. (Need I say more?)But his connection to a peculiar people will come back to haunt him.
Thomas Jefferson wrote a letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802
stating "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American
people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an
establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus
building a "wall of separation" between Church & State." The framers
always intended a separation.However, there is no constitutional
separation, just the "Establishment" and "Free Ecercise Clause".
Mitt Romney's speak on religious tolerance was impressive and allayed some of my
fear with him. After listening to Huckabee attack Mitt's religion, I will not
vote for him if he wins the Republican nomination. Huckabee has a right to
express his distain for the Mormon religion. But, if Huckabee wins then we
Republicans will have a Mormon basher. And if Hillary wins we will only have a
conservative basher. I think someone who distains a specific religious group is
the worst choice of the two.
No matter how often candidates like Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee promise to
uphold the Constitution and protect religious freedom, they are clearly seeking
to impose the restrictive tests of faith that the nation's founders abhorred.
And the GOP nominee is:Whomever comes across as "the
Loved the speech. I'm sure Richard G. would be saying the same thing if Obama
or Ms. Clinton had given that same word-for-word speech, right? It's about time
someone said that this mad dash away from God should be stopped and re-thought.
That it should be OK to have a Creche or Mennora in the town square, or crosses
along the road marking where a fallen servant had died. It's OK to have a
faith. It's fine to have a faith, and a common goal to be the best we can be.
Mitt hit it out of the ball park, and touched the American spirit.
I have read the speech several times. It it will go down as one the great
speeches of our time. It rose above the petty wranglings that have
unfortunately risen among religious sects today. It addressed the real issue of
the role of faith in God and religious liberty that permeates and underpins our
constitution and culture. It seems that with our total obsession with the
economy we have forgotten the true foundations of prosperity and happiness; and
that is a moral life; and that is founded in the fostering of religious liberty.
When Chris Matthews of CNN praises ANY republican about ANYTHING they said you
have to know that what that republican said will reach the hearts of many
democrats as well as republicans. This is a very rare thing.I am a
volunteer for Mitt here in NH and last night I was working a phone bank polling
NH residents and it was incredible how excited most of them were over Mitts
speech. Things here seem to still be looking up for Mitt.Several
respondents to this column in the paper have complained that Mitt is only saying
what he thinks the people want to hear. NOTHING could be further from the truth.
I have known Mitt for quite a few years and I have attended numerous town
meetings that he spoke at during this campaign and I tell you as a friend that
what he says is the truth, which is what most voters want to hear.
Bravo! Your comments are right on target.
Great speech. I was actually moved by it's patriotic theme. However, now can
we move on to something really important? I, for one, want to hear a speech
from Mitt on how he will turn this country's debt into a surplus like he did for
the Salt Lake Olympics; like he did for the State of Massachusetts. We are $9
trillion in debt! It'll be 10 by the time the next President assumes office.
Let's stop worrying about what religion someone is or how many times they have
been divorced. Let's start hearing some concrete solutions to the Nation's
It's amazing how Christians in America have ever been insistent on taking credit
for the creation of the Constitution and that this nation was founded as a
"Christian" nation. This is simply not true and historically incorrect!The bulk of the founding Fathers, including Jefferson and Washington, even
referred to themselves as "Deists," not Christians per se.' The Constitution
is not based on Biblical precedent per se,' but on the Articles of Confederation
which were decidedly based on the Iriquois Confederation (a pact held among
Native Americans). This is not to say that Biblical and 'Christian' principles
played no role, but to only say that the role was not as primary and overriding
as claimed by contemporary Christians. In fact, the founding Fathers wanted
nothing to do with institutional Religions having sway over the affairs of
State, AND VISA VERSA! The operating principle here being fairness and equity,
which is why the separation clause was added to the constitution, which
interestingly was insisted on by the South Carolina delegation, who named
Christian ministers among their group. Protecting personal religious freedom was
the overriding intent, separating institutional religion from state affairs to
protect both from each other was the underlying intent.
Romney said a positive thing about Islam. But, previously he has said" We must
civilize Islam. No other candidate has that 'big world picture' in my
observation. Mitt has the marvelous ability to discern betwen truth and error. I
Choose The Romney.
Teresa, maybe you should study your history. The puritans did not come here to
establish religious freedom. They came to establish their own religion, not
equal opportunities for all.
It is amazing to me that a single speech has had so much coverage and
commentary. In the last 24 hours I've watched analysts on CNN,
MSNBC, FoxNews, NBC, ABC, CBS discuss it, and have read about it all over the
Internet. The two most intelligent and insightful commentaries I've
seen so far were those from the Wall Street Journal, and Pat Buchanan of all
people. The truth is, whether you are a rabid soccer mom, an
atheist, an anti-Mormon, a Mormon, or a CTR wearing trash talker ... Sadly, most people see ONLY what they predispose themselves to see, and attack
that which threatens them. Before the speech I wrote that the speech
won't matter -- bigots will still be bigots and supporters will still be
supporters -- but I was wrong. Regardless Romney's political fate,
his speech yesterday will live on. It will be studied, quoted, and referred to
in years to come. It is already an "instant classic" in the library of American
I am not a Romney backer, but I am LDS. As a Mormon, I felt that Romney gave a
good speech (in spite of a few slip-ups, such as the "freedom requires religion"
remark), and it will be remembered in LDS culture for years to come.However, it seems to me that Romney's religion is not the real issue - it's
his changing stances - and that is what will ultimately doom his presidential
In some of the commentary published in newspapers recently the point is made
that those who won't vote for a man because of his religious belief are bigots.
I do fear the prospect of having a Mormon in the White House because of the
tendency I see within that church of a jingoist leaning. Will Mitt Romney be
led by his obvious deep faith and patriotism into the mistake of thinking the
American way is the correct way, all other countries are in error. Historical
study will show that in Nazi Germany, the LDS Church leadership told its members
that they either join the Nazi Party or be excommunicated. It is this sort of
blind nationalism that I see in Romney's speech.
When the heck did Huckabee attack Romney's religion?!?
Being anti-Romney doesn't make you anti-Mormon. It just mean you are
conservative.Buh bye Mitt!
The speech was like the man himself: a cipher
Christians indeed are persecuted in China (as are Baha'i and many other groups).
That's worth complaining about.But I believe Rose is making the
claim that Christians are persecuted in America. No Rose, we non-Christians are
simply trying to protect our own rights.I should point out that the
Germans complained about persecution by the Jews.
How about posting about things you know, not things you think from now on.The Framers believed in a Diety, w/o any religious affiliation. Freedom
and Religion do go hand in hand, and Romney was well within boundries with this
assertion.HATRED OF RELIGION WAS imbedded in Marxism-Leninism. Marx
had called religion "the opiate of the masses" and said that "Communism begins
where atheism begins." His chief disciple agreed: "There can be nothing more
abominable than religion," wrote Vladimir Lenin, the founder of the Soviet
state, in a letter to Maxim Gorky in January 1913. Religion, howled Lenin, was
"a necrophilia," akin to a virulent form of venereal disease. The
Framers were Christians, and did not model the Constitution after the Articles
of Confederation.The Articles of Confederation DID NOT WORK, so they
threw them out and started ove.There is way too much false
information on these boards.
Great speech but in the end Mitt Romney is trying to get the nation to do
something even Salt Lake City will not do--elect a Mormon!
I thought his speech was excellent. He's the man for the time I think.
This is to "Nice Speech, No Difference"And you have never changed
your mind on an issue; PLEASE - there is nothing wrong with evaluating various
issues and re-evaluating as you gain addition knowledge and insight. Name just
one Politician who has not changed their mind on a particular issue!! Let me
count the ways with Hillary~
Wow, a Mormon political leader (Republican)says he will do what's best for the
nation and not take direction from his religious leaders. I think that's a
great statment/position. I believe Mitt has demonstrated this in the past. .
.congrats. However, I wonder if the string pullers on Temple Square and the
puppets in the legislature understand Mitt's position, much less are capable of
acting on it?
Please forgive me, but just a quick perusing of these posts leads me to believe
a lot of Mormon people need psychiatric help.
Wow, did you miss the point, or what?So you wish the next President
of the United States of America to be a person with the character of Rocky
Anderson?The point is not to elect a MORMON, it is to elect the best
American.The past few elections it has been difficult getting
excited about any American. I hope this election is different.
Separation Clause in the Constitution is found where?(There is an
Establishment Clause and a Free Exercise Clause, but neither create any
"separation". -- 1st Ammendment)Where do you people get your
Of all the Republican candidates, Romney is the one I can stomach the least. He
reminds me the most of GWB -- the empty suit whose very emptiness is his appeal.
its hilarious to read all of these religious arguments. Richard G who im
assuming is a 7th grader from his comments, is afraid of the words Mormon, God,
and Religion. Mormons write in biasedly and praise mitt. Protestants who are
smart write in and say "love thy neighbor" nice things but don't support
romney.All of you write in and argue about the one thing in this world
that you can't win an argument about..Religion!Watch the debates and
realize that no canidate wants to answer questions about his/her religion, but
since mitt romney is a strong believer in Jesus Christ and the mormon faith he
gets targeted. Mormons can believe what they want, protestants, catholics etc.
athiests, muslims, jews...etc etc etc. but when it all comes down to it this
country was founded on people wanting to believe what they personally hold dear
to them. What they feel inside. Respect that. And realize that your personal
beliefs are as weird as another persons. You can't prove religion.
That's why its so amazing. Its between you and what you believe and no one
else. All i want is an honest president...So far Mitt fits that
"Like Richard G., I too noticed that while Romney was careful to be inclusive of
all faiths, he did seem to stop short of including people who do not believe in
God."The whole point is that this nation was founded on the
principle on a belief in a God. Atheists don't believe in God. And that's OK.
But if enough of us were atheists the country would cease to exist as a nation
that our founding forefathers envisioned.
"Freedom requires religion just as religion requires freedom ... Freedom and
religion endure together, or perish alone." - Mitt RomneyThis
statement is so patently false that it scarcely deserves refutation. If Romney
has studied the bloody history of his own church, then he knows that the
religious fervor of its adversaries drove them to deprive the Mormons not only
of their freedom but their lives, and that the Mormons reacted in kind. If he
has studied the bloody history of the world's older religions, then he knows
that the most devout Christians of all sects have not hesitated to suppress,
torture and murder "heretics" throughout history. Only the strictest separation
of church and state has permitted the establishment of societies where freedom
of conscience prevails -- and those freedoms are firmly rooted in societies
where organized religion has long been in decline.
If Mitt Romney's presidential fate was not already sealed by the right-wing of
the Republican Party before yesterday's speech, it certainly would've been had
he closed the way Sen. Harry Reid did on Oct. 9 at BYU:I bear
testimony of the truthfulness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ the foundation for
the blessings we now enjoy laid by the young boy and assassinated Prophet Joseph
Smith and with certainty, I testify of Gordon B. Hinckley as our modern day
prophet.It is finally my plea and prayer that we will follow the
teachings that we know to be true, and in so doing create a better world.This closing, a public testimony and benediction in front of every news
camera and reporter of significance in Utah, coming from Romney could never
happen because he is a Republican. It could and did happen coming from Reid
because he is a Democrat.Democrats have many issues. Some of the
most pressing and historically significant involve Sen. Reid because of his
position. But his faith and his expression of it are not on the list.
Well done Mitt! Excellent speech and congratulations! Clearly your religious
commitment has helped make you a successful husband, father, business and
political leader! Thank you for your continued service to make our nation
Warning from the South: "Ministers will pick up where Mitt left off. It will be
brutal, just as the polls will indicate at the close of the weekend."Ministers won't need to pick up where Mitt left off. The have been non-stop
brutal for the past 160 years... Since Smith's death and before. The big
question to answer is, or should be, "why the fanatical, rabid bigotry and
abject, despicable unrelenting, obnoxious, vile hatred of Mormons?"
Tai H's remark about the CTR ring is a mockery. Live as you please, why mock
someone elses religion.
What a classic! Not only did he touch my mind & my heart, but he showed total
class, tolerance and the importance of attaching ourselves to our past. We must
remember what our founding fathers represented and believed. If this man isn't
elected president we have missed a golden opportunity.We need to
remember how America became the great country it has become. Understanding
history is essential.
When it comes to which candidate is "closest to God"(which is sadly what
it might come down to with the ever-sinking GOP) Romney would be the "one of
ours" favorite in Utah and Huckabee would get the nod because he's more likeable
and from a mainstream religion.
Those of you who are "non-believers" such as Richard G. Good for you. Do you
not realize however that your denunciation of a God is your form of religion.
The very definition of religion is a set of beliefs concerning the cause,
nature, and purpose of the universe. Atheists and others who profess not to
believe in a supreme being have their own beliefs system and ideals about the
very cause, nature and purpose of the universe. Is there a God or isn't there.
I have been told I can not prove God exists. Can those of you who don't believe
in God prove that He doesn't? Regardless God and Christ are always at the
center of the Universe. "For everything has his opposite" Darkness has
light-Evil has good-Sour has sweat-Where God isn't There also God is.
Is this right? Mormons believe the Bible literally that Jesus is the only
begotten son of God, the Jehovah of the Old Testament, the savior of mankind,
and the God of this world and maybe this universe. They believe that God the
Father sent his son Jesus to earth to atone for our sins. Christ was
resurrected and gained a body of flesh and bones. He is so like his father in
purpose, in righteousness, in power, in immortality, and so forth that if you
have seen him, you have seen his father. Evangelical Christians reject these
interpretations of the Bible because they are counter to the so-called
"traditional Christian viewpoint" that has its roots in the Nicean Creed,
adopted under political pressure well after Christ's resurrection. They believe
that Christ is an embodiment of God, often described in confusing and
contradictory terms as an incomprehensible and unexplainable power beyond the
scope of man's ability to understand. Since the LDS view is different than this
revised modern Christian view, Mormonism is considered a cult. And this is the
real reason for Romney's speech. Enlighten me.
You are right Scooter about needing to remember how America became a great
country.It was the Founding Fathers' abhorrence of any kind of Theocracy.
All in all, the speech was perfectly calibrated for a general election race - or
for a Republican primary campaign that did not include a candidate by the name
of Mike Huckabee. Romney has a strong case to make that the shared political and
social concerns of religious conservatives across faith traditions require them
to join forces in the public square. But that argument only holds so long as
evangelical Republicans have no other candidates to choose from. The question
isn't whether evangelical voters could support a Mormon, but whether they would
back a Mormon over an equally appealing Catholic or Protestant. Like, say, Mike
Would Romney uphold the Constitution? He chose not to talk much about the
doctrines of the Mormon church, and rightly so. But that does not prevent the
rest of us from discussing doctrines. So consider the following doctrines of the
church:We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according
to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let
them worship how, where, or what they may.We believe in being subject to
kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining
the law. (Articles of Faith 1:11 - 12)And that law of the land which
is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights
and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me. Therefore,
I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that
law which is the constitutional law of the land;(Doctrine and Covenants
98:5 - 6)I could also point out dozens of Mormon scriptures which
make it amply clear that freedom of choice is one of the most sacred and
fundamental doctrines of the church. The freedom to disbelieve is just as sacred
as the freedom to believe.
You atheists apparently haven't had a dying child in in PICU for months. I
understand your thought processes, I too didn't believe at one time in my life.
Then I grew up, realized the world wasn't about me, relied on a faith and a
higher power that I didn't know was there and now I am finally at peace with
myself and the world. I too was once too blind and stubborn to truly see the
world as it could be. Yes, it took a dying child to show me the way but when I
found it, it's so much better, and more real, than the defiant "no one can make
me" life I used to live. Don't try to fool yourself like I did for 15 years.
Life's to short to be mad at every notion of a higher being. I know, I was
there. Romney or not, faith in God is the only way to truly be happy.
Here is an example of how to think about a religiously *neutral* approach to
government.I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United
States of America, and to the republic which it defines. One nation,
indivisible, with liberty, justice, and full rights for all.I care
about the constitution, not the flag. The phrase "under God" in our current
pledge was added by Eisenhower in the 1950s, it is not an artifact or
cornerstone from the early times of our country.Likewise the motto
on our currency "in God we trust" was added during the 20th century as well.
While I admit I like the signs which say: "In God we trust, all others pay
cash!" I find it odd that *anyone* thinks associating God with the value of the
currency isn't an insult to God.I feel a lot better teaching my
children about my beliefs than having some right wing Christian fundamentalist
attempt to do it through a government back door.I was disappointed
in Romney's speech in that he did not address how he proposes to integrate God
into his decisions, but not into the government's formal functions.
Those who were reluctant to back Romney due to his LDS faith have now been
replaced by those who are reluctant because they are not religious. It is clear
that Mitt is going to the evangelical right, and could care less about the
millions, such as myself, who love the USA and all it stands for.... but do not
count themselves amongst the religious faithful. Does this mean we are less
patriotic, or deserving representation in Washington? Mitt is a very clever
guy, but he could have mentioned that he would be President of all Americans,
whether they had faithful convictions or not. This speech seems to be the
beginning of a dialog that will now vilify non-religious people as somehow
"un-American". Pity. We vote too.
I'm sure the good people of Utah love Mitt Romney and his recent speech. But the
world outside Zion has already spoken.In an Iowa poll just this
afternoon:Huckabee - 39%Romney 17%
The "unchristian" attempt by the "cult mongers" to marginalize Mitt Romney's
presidential candidacy reeks of the un-American persecution of Catholicism that
prompted the historical JFK speech in 1960. Romney with his defining defense of
the legitimacy of religious liberty in the market place, presents the clarion
call for all Americans to remember and cherish the roots of the Constitution
which made possible the creation and continuation of this great country.
Surely Romney knows that Mormonism, in particular, was historically hostile to
liberty for blacks as well as women. The founders of his church believed that
God had cursed the world's dark-skinned people. They rejected abolitionism and
later the civil rights movement. And their acceptance of full membership for
African-Americans in the LDS church dates back only 30 years. If
Romney is going to attack humanists and secularists as "wrong," then let him
explain why they were so far ahead of his church on the greatest moral issues of
the past half-century.
Soo Mitt did not detail LDS Doctrine .There is no need . Doctrine is for
those who believe ! My opinion is that it should not matter to those who do not
believe . The important question arises how does one treat his neighbor .That really counts as far as I am concerned .
For all the anti-romneys, I know he was talking about religion and government,
but what did you guys want, Political Correctness or what Mitt believes????? He
has freedom of speech too!!!! To the secular and humanist comment above, Mitt
doesnt have to justify mormon theology, just like Kennedy didnt have to justify
the holy inquisition.
Reality check, get a grip on reality. You'll have to wait till the next poll to
see whether Romney's speech had any effect. My opinion is that the liberals
would love Huckabee to win the Republican nomination because they think he would
be easier to defeat in the general election. They fear Romney and Juliani most,
especially Romney with his good looks, suave manner, outstanding speaking
ability, etc. As President, Romney could make great strides in moving America
toward conservatism. Huckabee would be tolerated much as Bush is. As a former
Baptist minister, he won't assuade the voters who fear a theocracy, that's for
"I would like you to help me on something. Will you please name one US president
that did not mention something about faith while he was in the white house?"Good point. Some presidents even meet with religious leaders... such as
DesNews makes no sense on which posts they allow.Here's the short version
and I hope they will post this-Romney will not win the primary and
he will not win the general election. What issue can we get worked up about
romney is a typical mormon
Romney is handsom and should win on good looks. Maybe he would run the country
like he did his business. A winner!!!
Romney is the John Kerry of the republican party. He flip-flops more than a fish
on dry land!
Romney would go over big if he moved to Utah.
I think the issue here is religious intolerance. Some Muslims are so extreme
that they kill each other over their differences, even when they are both
Muslims. Are you a Sunni or a Shiite? Be the same as me or Ill kill you. Did we learn anything from Hitler? What he did to the Jews goes without
saying. Then there are Christians. Remember the crusades? Dont forget
Ireland. Are you a Catholic or a Protestant? How about, are you a Mormon? If
so, I wont vote for you. We need to love each other and respect our
differences. We dont need reverse discrimination either.
Non-believers need to respect Believers and visa versa. It needs to be OK to
worship our God in public or not. God is there whether we believe in Him or
Mitt Romney is another mega-wealthy politician.Politics is, well ...
Huh???Which Christians believe that? Wow...I think you
need to get a Bible and read it. Maybe an easy-to-read translation, like New
Living would help. The writings are plain for all to read. My understanding of
Christians is that this is what they do and the Bible is the basis of their
belief. I never heard any of them talking about their "creed" or belief in a
"creed". Your conclusions strike me as odd.You create a straw man,
call it "Christian", then tear it apart. Is this what they teach in Mormon
Mitt's issues are political, not theological.Look - Americans know
about Mormonism. No big deal. They know it is a religion, they know it's not
Christian even though its adherents try to cloak themselves in Christian
language. They know, OK? Don't use Mitt as the cause for some big coming-out
celebration for those who say yes to the R U LDS stickers. We get the whole
Mormon thing.That said, Mitt's true weakness is his past liberal
(very liberal) political positions. He has since renounced them. Voters will
let us know whether they believe his turnaround was genuine.I'm not
a Republican. I would MUCH rather have Mitt in the White House than Hillary.
Heck, I would rather have a sincere Muslim in the White House than Hillary.
The part about Brigham Young being persecuted is funny. Talk about the pot
calling the kettle black....oh boy.Mormons better hope the media
folks have short attention spans, and that nobody develops the desire to do some
historical research.Better yet - someone needs to tell Mitt to stick
to the issues at hand.
Rich; just listen to your heart and have an open mind but don't listen to the