This article has moved me like no other.
Why can't they charge Jeffs with polygamy since that is what this is all about?
Also, if the 19 year old cousin did rape his 14 year old cousin, why isn't he
being charged for rape?
Because they're not legal marriages, just a bunch of people living together.
They're "spiritual marriages". It's when the men become sexual predators on the
young women, that illegalities are incurred.GUILTY GUILTY!
Why does it take a complaint from within to actually get the authorities to
finally take some action?
He should be locked up forever as well as all the men that have taken child
brides under the belief of polygamy!!!!!
Our justice system has a pulse after all . . .
I have several questions about this case. One: Why does this man face life in
prison when, in Utah, many a murderer serves 15 years and goes free? Two: Why
are the young woman's mother and father not charged?I fully
understand that a charismatic leader can take advantage of underage people who
should not be expected to have developed fully formed powers of reason, and a
fully formed conscience.I do not understand why the alleged victim's
parents are not having their feet held to the fire, if indeed this is a case
that should have been brought in the first place.Freedom of religion
means nothing if it is limited to "freedom to practice those religions likely to
win the approval the approval of a jury."
Thank heavens. It's about time this man is put behind bars.
I think the defense attorney has a good point. Is this about sex or religion?
Since the prosecutors followed the sex rout why is the ex-husband not charged
and on the stand for Martial rape, and the mother and other family members on
the stand for the same charge as Jeffs. I do not condone what Jeffs did and in
no way agree with his religious views, I just question the way the prosecutors
are trying to reach "justice". Is this just an example case? Or is it about the
deepest pockets?(to help the civil case referenced). That being
said, I'm glad a young girl received relief for what she has suffered.
Dear Curious:From what I understand technically they are not performing
legal marriages between multiple women and one man. They call it a "spiritual"
marriage but don't get the marriage license and all of that, so it is really
difficult to prosecute them for polygamy because by law it is just one man
sleeping with several women and having lots of kids. About the 19
year old, he wasn't a big enough fish to fry. He was a tool in the case and in
the hands of Jeffs. I'm sure the prosecutors saw that he himself would not have
initiated the marriage without Jeff's insistence.
In my opinion he likely will now be charged. If you read the jury instructions
they had to find that the cousin did in fact rape her. This does not equate to
a conviction of him. He can't serve time based on this court's finding. They can
now charge him, and also in my opinion, they will offer him a plea bargain. I
would imagine that they can use every word he said in the court here against
him. If it is found he was not telling the truth in this court I am sure they
could hold perjury chargers over his head. Great job Washington County. You
knew what you were doing. Called the right witnesses and rested your case way
before we all thought you would. I just wonder if the jury ever saw pictures of
the girl at 14? If not, why not? She was just a little girl.
I was wondering the same thing ... why is Jeffs the only one being charged? In
no way am I defending Jeffs or his actions. I just wonder why the
cousin/husband, as well as the victims parents are not being charged too. Didn't
they play a large role, maybe even as large as Jeffs? Can someone familiar with
the case and legal system please explain to me why? Thank you.
How sad that the FLDS community must see their prophet jailed. the 'victim' of
all this willstand before the Judgement Seat of God one dayand
explain her actions.
I think justice has been done, but I fear not much will change now. The way to
remove a religious leader isn't to convict him in the courts of some infraction
somewhat unrelated to his real offense. That just makes him a martyr and
someone else just takes his place.I think if we gave him some room,
Jeffs was ready to denounce his religion all together (which may have cleared
things up once-and-for-all and had a real impact for the future). But because
we were using our legal system to threaten him and he was facing being put in
jail for the rest of his life if he made that statement, of course he was
advised by his lawers to not make that statement. And now he can't. It would
be suicide.The way to remove a false-prophet is to shed light on him
and let his folowers decide to leave him, not put him in jail on some contrived
charge. That just feeds into their fear of outsiders and the government
opressing them.So the zelousness of our prosecutors may have cost us
the only real chance we may ever have to resolve this conflict once-and-for-all.
The charges are trumped. This was clearly not rape. They replaced a juror in
the final process to get a conviction when the juror thought he was innocent.
Also the actual husband was not charged so we also no its not rape. Basically this case demonstrates prejudice against the FLDS. Also 98% of
those interviewed are very happy living in their FLDS communities. Jeffs was frames, that's all there is to it.
I'm no lawyer but remember Enron and the other corporate scandals? Many people
in the company did illegal things to support the CEO's and other Executives but
they were never charged. Jeff's had a position of authority over his followers
and had to convince husbands and parents to allow the spiritual marriages of
under aged girls. I'm glad that Mark S. and others went for the top just like
what happened with Enron. If a religious leader forced all of their followers
to break the law they may not go over the million members but they will go after
the leader(s). Maybe action will be taken agains parents and husbands but as
far as i'm concerned they took down the force behind bad decisions.
I have commented before but never got my remarks printed(accepted) Maybe this
time!! Jeffs is not spiritual leader or else he would not have "forced" Jane
Doe into a very undesirable marriage even though he preaches that is what God
desires and calls it a celestial marriage. The God I know is far different than
the God Jeffs knows. God forces no man or woman to heaven. Jeffs got what he
deserves is my opinion but I do feel remorse in this situation.
How many people who are saying this is a great legal victory would like to see
today's LDS church / leaders prosecuted for something like denying women the
opportunity to join the highest councils in the church because they are female
and cannot hold the priesthood?Even though this was not prosecuted
as a religion issue, it has many overtones of curtailing freedom of religion /
religious practices. With that said I do agree with the verdict
because the girl was underage, but I think there are other issues to think about
The parents and cousin could be tried after being formally charged, which they
were not in this trial. The victim would need to cooperate for this to be done
and perhaps she just doesn't have it in her. It seems that this trial has
extracted a high price from her and reliving the whole ugly situation to convict
the others, coupled with the conflicted feelings that she would certainly have,
just may not be personally worth it to her. Prosecutors are often
content to cut the head off the snake and leave the rest of it alone. Then
again, now that they have a trial win under their belt on this phase, they may
be ready to proceed with a second round of indictments and trials.I
respect other people's right to practice their beliefs, even these polygamists.
However, this pedophilia, thinly masked as religiously sanctioned marital
sexual activity, has no place anywhere in our society and doubly so for rape.
Let adults everywhere realize and understand that these kinds of fixations are
wrong and are to be avoided like a plague.Jeffs abused the position
of authority he had in their culture and I'm glad to see the conviction.
This case is only the beginning of several others. I am sure that the husband
will now be charged, as well as other family members. Jeffs now faces charges
in Arizona, and then by the Federal Government. I do not believe he will ever
see another day outside of a jail or prison.
"Interesting" my limited knowledge of this case indicates that all were victims
of Jeffs' rule. Perhaps Steed did not want to marry his cousin either; Jeffs
dictated that the marriage was to occur. Perhaps the parents didn't want it
anymore than the couple (other than the stepfather, evidently). This appeared to
have been a marriage absent of agency, dictated by Warren Jeffs and the FLDS
leadership. They decided that the marriage would take place regardless of
opposition, and now I'm relieved to see justice done. No one should be able to
force a 14 year old girl into an unwanted marriage, NO ONE.
So, Move On, you are arguing that the best way to destroy this particular
polygamist society is to give Jeffs some "room" so he can go and renounce his
religion and tell everyone to go home. I'm sure this was exactly what he was
going to do--but, oops, now they've blown it by putting him away.Are
you serious? Or are you actually a resident of Hilldale?
Quit complaining! Wait a minute and celebrate the conviction of an evil man. If
12 months passes by and no one else is charged then you can complain.
I'd agree with Rick. In this case my guess is its the girl pushing for charges
against Jeffs so she can exclude or include anyone she wishes. While its
obvious rape occured she doesnt sound like she currently holds a grudge against
her cousin, and may not want her parents in jail either. That would be her
decision. Then again I havent been able to find written out clearly who the
party is that is bringing charges against Jeffs. If the government or state is
pressing charges thats different.
Before we all raise our hands in thanks giving I think it is important to note
that this case is not over. It we be appealed and there is a good chance
it will be remanded and we will go through this all over again. The
instructions given to the Jurors by the judge are highly questionable
considering they tried him as an accomplice in a rape that has not been
proved.The Washington county Attorneys office did this backwards, they
should have gotten Steed first.They went for what they thought would be
the easiest conviction. Wait and see this thing is sadly not over yet!
I was initially relieved to hear the verdict. On reflection, however, I still
think justice was served, but I also think it raises some serious questions.
Polygamy has been against the law in Utah since 1890. Have the polygamists not
been provided a formula for avoiding further convictions while continuing to
practice plural marriage? The judge even clarified when sexual intercourse with
a 14 year old was not illegal. It seem they now have a blueprint for avoiding
prosecution and it seems as though polygamy has drawn a major pass of approval
from the government when Jeffs was not charged with breaking that law and
conspiring to have it broken by others. So great, they punish one guy, turn him
into a martyr but let the bigger problem persist. The trial and verdict now seem
more like a charade to mask the real issue.
Curious- thank you. I completely agree. It seems like this trial also has alot
to do with going after a faith that most of us find weird. Also, if this is
about justice, why is there a fat multi-million dollar law suit attached to the
case? Will healing be better facilitated with a large house and a Mercedes?Maybe she'll donate it to HOPE. That'd be nice.
One more thing: Does anyone know what the "event" was that caused one of the
jurors to be replaced?
Why not go after the parents and husband? They were as much victims as the young
bride. The truth of what goes on in the community if you do not follow the
"prophet" is known. You are excommunicated and your family is reassigned. The
brides mother had to go along or she risked losing her children by being kicked
out of the community. The husband had to go along also or he would have become
one of the "lost boys" not being able to see his family. Can you imagine the
threat of losing your children if you did not follow. That is why they get the
girls before they have too much courage. Get them married and a child on the way
and they will stay to protect the child. I feel as much pain for the husband.
Can you imagine having to marry someone who does not want you around. Marriage
is hard enough when you love someone. And then, they have an affair on you. He
was a victim of the system as much as she was. So much for life, liberty and the
pursuit of happiness. They were forced as much as she was.
Seems to me the parents and husband were as much victims as was she.
Warren Jeffs, one of the only people who probably has both a "council" and a
"counsel". Unfortunately DesNews doesn't know the difference, since
the caption to the photo says "council".
I don't understand why you question the husband and parents not being charged
are they as much victims as she. Did they not stand to lose their "eternal
family" if they did not follow. I feel sorry for them all that a man would hurt
so many in the name of God.
Are you kidding me "hmmm"? Lets think about what law is being broken by not
letting women on the highest councils in the church....none...the Real LDS
church does not break any laws....Making cousins marry when the girl is only 14
and not "letting" women have the priesthood or whatever are two totally
different things. Lame comment!That man is finally getting his just
To Michelle:Sounds a little fishy to me.....
this jeffs guy sounds like he's pimpin' for christ - this whole story makes me
want to scrub my eyeballs.
I know several people from Hildale. Some following their prophet, some not. I
feel sorry for the whole bunch but I think they ought to be able to see the
problem and get out. If they want to live like that, except the young kids, its
their right, but they should be able to take care of their children without
state & govt help. They are a big drain on the system. How can anyone take care
of and feed 35 kids? Have you ever been to a WICK meeting? Pretty disgusting.
They also shouldn't be telling anyone they are LDS.
I heard this issue clarified:This was about Child Abuse. It is not
against the law to marry at fourteen if with parental consent and if wanted by
both parties. But this was about force (or perceived force by a child). Child
abuse is never ok. The boy wasn't charged and probably won't be because he was
brought up this way as well. He felt he "had" to marry when he was told. Also,
the above comments about "spiritual marriages" are correct. They aren't legal
anywhere, but in their religion. If forced, they are unlawful. Warren Jeffs
performed this marriage and would not let it be "undone". This case was not
directly about polygamy because there were not any other "marriages" involved.
But if anyone remembers Tom Green and his case there were also multiple
marriages involved (bigamy). He was convicted and served 7 years.This
ruling may not defer consenting adults, but it will help stop the underage
"marriages". And in that I believe that this will help defer it because many of
these "marriages" were "expected" by leaders and family at an early age.
I am glad those of you that think the cousin, parents and polygamists should all
be charged were not trying this case or on the jury. You would have tried to
grab too much and got nothing. Perhaps this woman would not have testified
against her cousin, family and friends, because they are all interrelated.
There was only one issue and it wasn't religion, it was pedophilia, and no
different than a family friend, who with the permission of the parents uses
their child for child porn. In order to get anything out of this and prevent
Jeffs from being viewed as the victim think pedophilia. Perhaps other families
in this religion will see and understand it for what it is. This is not the
Middle Ages or the Middle East.
I think you're right! I hope so.
Thanks Bridge to far. Pedophilia it is. my friend Flora Jessop escaped this
community when she was 14. Jeffs made her marry her cousin too. She left. They
"caught " her and returned her to her uncle's house. They kept her in a room in
solitary confinement for 3 years and as she tells it, "Beat satan outta me". She
eventually got out and is a child advocate against abuse. The side of her SUV
reads, POLYGAMY IS CHILD ABUSE.com. I asked her once why she never seemed to
smile. She said that as a baby , when she would cry, her aunt would put her face
under the running tap water. "Cause you can't cry and breathe at the same time"
she says.Women are described by the men as nothing more than farm animals.
They make em work in the fields with the kids, make em cook , clean, etc during
the day and then make them have sex in the next room where their other "wife "is
with the kids. Usually the new sex partner is a "sister" and probably her
younger sister. It ain't religion. It's torture. It has to be exposed for what
Several People have stated that the step-father, mother and young man were all
victims because they were afraid of losing their families and their status in
their community. So what? They made their choice. They were adults with a
whole lot more power in their lives than that young girl ever had. Any of them
could have left the community, with their dependents, at any time. Would it
have been hard? Yes. So what? Life is full of hard decisions. That doesn't
abrogate them of their responsibility toward those that depend upon them and to
obedience to the law, if not their own consciences. They are every bit as
guilty as Jeffs, because their duty and responsibility was to the child who was
totally dependent upon them.
I can't believe the good people of Utah waited this long to lock up these
sickos. I am sure there are tons more where this one came from maybe even more
It clear to me that Jeffs was framed. Why are the Prosecutors so happy? They
have used a very corrupt legal system to convict someones religious beliefs
which were ingrained from birth. I believe some Muslums practice polygamy.
Where is the outrage there? What should have happened to Brigham Young? Didn't
he have 27 wives? 14 years old is rather young but old enough to look at
history and see that people for 1000's of years have married that young.
Give me a break. The "real" Mormon church only gave up polygamy when the
"Church" wanted Utah statehood. But they did not give it up as a tenant of the
religion. I think the "real" Mormons protesteth too much. The girl's mother,
father, and husband are all culpable. But, who must we prosecute... only the
prophet. In Utah, we can only have one prophet, you know.
To brooke: The children of Hilldale and Colorado city receive very little
education, let alone a course on comparative religion. Their practical world
knowledge is severely restricted in order to control them. Also, while there
are Muslims practicing polygamy throughout the world, they do not legally
practice it in the United States. There are also a lot of Muslims who want you
dead simply for being an American. Does that make it OK? Knowing that they
want you dead, should you off yourself just to save them the trouble? Somehow,
I don't think that is something you want to do.
It is about time that Utah is actually doing something about child abuse. This
state is one of the most apathetic and false when it comes to pursuing child
abusers. We should pull together as a cummunity and help those who want to get
out of this life situation. Ex: The lost boys. There are so many women and
children that wish to leave, but there is not really an open network to help
them. We need to put more funding together, more safe houses to help these
Even though this trial was not supposed to be about polygamy, I'll comment as
such to the above posts. 1) Just because young girls at the age of 14 married
for a thousand years, doens't make it okay today. They also used to hang women
(and men) who they thought were "witches." Is that okay today? 2) I don't know
what "should have been done" with Brigham Young marrying multiple wives, but
several early Church leaders were put into prison for "unlawful cohabitation."
George Q. Cannon comes to mind. Heber J. Gant was charged and fined for
breaking the "unlawful cohabitation" law in 1899 (9 years after the Manifesto),
although he was not sent to jail. I understand that many Mormon Fundamentalists
base their faith on "God does not change, nor do His ways," so they keep living
in plural marriage. But they could at least soften up the rules a little like
the Bluffdale bunch, and not initiate "arranged marriages" and require all
participants of the marriage to be at least 18 years of age.
I am so glad that finally something like this has happened. Maybe now all those
women and children and be freed from all the abuse that they get. Everything
that these poligamst do and teach there young is against the law. I have always
wonder even as a young person why these people got away with all the abuse and
even murder. I hope that the legal system will not stop but just keep on keeping
on.As for the parents of the young lady and the cousin I sure they
were victoms of Jeffs and I am sure they to will be charged and face there day.
The ball has just started to roll. I say let it go and stop all the abuse and
fraud. Maybe the gov. could get more mony for health care of schools if they
didn't have to take care of all those fraudulant poligs.Oh and by
the way when Brigham Young had all his wives it was not against the law. and He
took care of them not the gov.POLIGAMY NEEDS TO STOP !!! Or THEY
NEED TO GO TO THE COUNTRYS THAT ALLOW TERRORISM.
well i also have a comment to make i think that some of you guys are missing is
that this so called lds church or flds whatever that means is NOT the original
church that was restored in the 1700's there are several differences in the
original they dont believe in "spiritual" marriage one has to have the liscense
and all and then comes the sexual intercourse where as in the reformed one you
dont really get married in the original they abide to mens laws as they do god
this man was just under false pretense and really should be convicted and i am
glad because the mormon religion has enough dirt on them because of all the
reformed churches that still carry the name seriously i am glad in one way
because raping an innocent child come on man andshe was what 14 right? well im
14 that sucks!
I'm glad that Warren Jeffs was found guilty. I'm disappointed that Elissa's
mother and her husband were not also prosecuted. Her husband because he
performed the rape and her mother because Elissa's own words were that if her
mother had been against the marriage, she would not have gone through with it.
Elissa stated that she trusted her mother. Her mother implored Elissa to go
through with the marriage for the safety of her soul. I don't see a bit of
difference between the counsel Warren Jeffs gave Elissa and the counsel her
mother gave. Both of them therefore should have been prosecuted and found
guilty, not just Warren Jeffs.
The real abuse I see every day from folks from the "Twin Cities" (Hildale and
Colorado City) is in the way they abuse the laws of the land and get away with
it. Our grocery stores are full of those folks using their WIC vouchers and
Food Stamps that they have obtained through lies and deceit. There are many
businesses in So. Utah will not take checks from the cities because they never
get paid. We watch them speed through our towns with truck loads of underage
workers who are denied schooling and have to work. Come live down here for
awhile and you will see plenty of sanctioned abuse. If Joseph Smith were alive,
they would all be excommunicated for fraud.
Glad Warren went down. He is a great pretender sent by Satan to destroy the one
true restored church. Now if Heavenly Father will provide us with a real
prophet the true restored church can get back on its feet. The FLDS is the real
church of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and John Taylor.
I understand the questions of why others were not prosecuted in this case. Maybe
now they will -- meantime a very powerful man has been taken down, and hopefully
it will have a domino affect and save so many other repressed and abused people.
Jeff's clan and the Kingstons are known for child abuse and horrible forced
underaged marriages but many clans are not. Many people CHOOSE to live in
plural marriage and are well educated and feed and cloth their own children with
out Govt. assistance. Who am I to judge them for their choices? They should have
the right to live together just like people who chose to "Shack up" with one or
more persons and not marry. In fact, in a LOVING plural marriage, children are
well cared for by many moms who are as protective as other parents. To know God
is to let go of our reigns and allow Him to guide us where He will. That takes
faith and confimation by the spirit that it is right. Jeff's denied his
followers that right. I'm NOT a polygamist, but I support freedom to choose ones
path. I don't support homosexual lifestyles either, BUT I can not deny someone
elses right to live that way. I teach my children that God would not have us
live certain ways, but if they chose a different path, than I will still love
them though there choices may cause me great pain.
can anyone help me out here. honestly. why was jeffs on the nations most wanted
list? was it for arranging a marrage? doesn't this happen in other cultures
right here in the us? [it does in greek, itialian, arabic and etc] was
it for practicing polygamy. i know other cultures practice without fear..think
islamic communities in chicago. it cant be for the age of the couple,
since it's lawful for a 14 and 19 yo to marry in utah. surely not for his
religion. do we really want to decide which religous practices are acceptable in
a court of law? and lastly, why a life sentence? i believe children need
to be protected. i believe the law should be applied fairly and uniformly.
since it's not, i think jeffs is being made a martyr in a very real sense. no, i
don't belong to any polygamous community, [i happen to be monogamous]
but this whole thing smacks of a witch hunt.
As members of the "Real" LDS church, we still believe in Plural Marriage. It is
doctrine (D&C 132) waiting to be practiced in another time and place. I think
this case, even though it is rife with forms of abuse that were not present in
all 19th Mormon plural marriages, is an excellent opportunity for us to look at
polygamy in a current context and see how it really looks and feels. Especially
to women and girls. I personally find it offensive and wrong. There
is no possible justification or 'glory' in marrying more than one woman. I would
not like it if my wife had another husband.
to wake up & see the abuse,Well said, and I agree. Organize
community help.The children deserve MUCH better than this.
You guys sure love your neighbor in Utah. Wasn't Jeffs just doing what he
was raised to believe? The whole jury stuff will possible lead to a miss trial,
ruled of coarse by an upper court.
I wish the mormon faith would take a look at the Jeff's situation and realize
that their beloved prophet, Joseph Smith, did exactly what Jeff's did. For some
reason mormons they don't want to believe that---it's called brainwashing.
Being raised in the mormon religion---I am grateful to have not let the
brainwashing I received as a child within the mormon faith continue with me into
adulthood. FLDS, mormons, it's all the same.
Hey check this out; Persons who are at least 18-years of age are considered
adults and do not need parental or guardian consent to obtain a marriage
license. Minors between the ages of 14 and 17-years of age must have written
parental consent on the official form signed in the presence of the county
clerk, or have an order from the Texas district court authorizing the marriage.
Minors under the age of 14-years are not allowed to marry. And this;
TOPEKA, Kan., May 5 (UPI) -- A bill setting 15 as the minimum legal
age for marriage has received final legislative approval in Kansas. Kansas is the only state with no age requirement. Gov. Kathleen Sibelius is
expected to sign the bill, the Wichita Eagle reported.
I am heartened by most of the responses on this thread because they hold Jeffs
responsible for his conduct as his flock's 'god on Earth.' However, there are
apologists for Jeffs here, too. They are offering some really bizarre reasoning
that boils down to 'protect Jeffs at any cost.' As for the person
who claims the verdicts will be overturned on appeal, I doubt that. All of the
elements of the crime of rape as an accomplice were met. Ms. Wall was coerced,
did not consent and there was more than a three-year age difference between her
and her putative husband. The people who keep obsessing over whether force was
used are missing the point. Force is not necessary for the conviction.I do not think the putative husband or Ms. Wall's parents will be charged.
And, I believe that is correct. Their autonomy was next to non-existent once
'The Prophet' ordered them to do as told.
Comments are monitored. Any comments found to be abusive, offensive, off-topic,
misrepresentative,What?!? My first comments was removed, Why?My info came off the web! Check out the LAW in Texas and Kansas for yourself.
Many here don't seem to know their own church history. Warren Jeffs was just
"following the prophet" who did exactly the same even though underage marriage
was just as bizarre then.
Not that I support statutory rape, but it should be known that in America in the
late 1700's, it was not uncommon for the wives of men to be 13. And
in a modern sense, who cares if a man has more than one wife as long as they all
agree? Its a private contract between agreeing adults.
I wonder if Jeffs will be able to post bond, until the sentencing phase begins
(in Nov)?I hope that the flight risk thing, enters into this equation !!
Just a little history lesson for everyone. The LDS church was restored in the
1800's, not the 1700's. Many of the early leaders had multiple wives as a way of
caring for the women of the church because in those days, women had no rights
without a husband and there were not enough men to go around. A woman could not
own property, livestock, anything, she had no legal rights - that was by US
gov't laws, not church laws. The solution was consensual adult plural marriage,
which was outlawed by the US gov't as an excuse to prosecute the church and
arrest influential leaders. One of the tenants of the LDS church is to obey the
laws of the land. Men did not abandon their wives when the law was passed, but
the leadership tried very hard to make sure that no new plural marriages
occured. When what is now the FDLS church broke off they continued plural
marriage, and has obviously perverted even their own religion over the years.
Early plural marriage, no matter what your veiws on it, bears no resemblance to
what Jeffs does now. Religion is not the issue - child welfare is.
its good at least that this whackjob got convicted but again im a little
confused what the REAL goal behind it was.. granted i believe all ppl who rape
or are accomplices to rape should be sent to jail and/or castrated.. but did
they want to get him for polygamy or what? i agree that if you wish to root out
a false prophet you must shed light onto his falsehoods and if that was the
objective they failed.. if it was to convict him of rape i agree they need to go
after all consenting members who helped the cousin rape her.. there is no excuse
to hurt children, women, or animals in my eyes and religion is the furthest
thing from an excuse for any wrong act.. just my 2 cents on the whole thing. I
think its a bit odd how the case went through but I suppose thats why I'm not a
lawyer.. If there is any sort of higher power I don't believe that they would
approve of any such acts as what he has done.. I don't dissaprove of polygamy..
I believe one can love many different people.. so dont call me a bigot..
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fact/fiction, or both and disclaimers.W. Jeff was found
guilty of:"ABUSE OF FORCING IDEALS" ON A 14 YEARS OLD
CHILDand ABUSE OF FORCING
IDEAL-PRIORITIES-FALLACIES ON A 14 YEARS OLD CHILDOR ABUSE OF FORCING "IDEAL-FALLACIES" ON A 14 YEARS OLD CHILD
well in response to mary's comment joseph smith did not do what jeffs did.
prophet joesph smith did not molest or abuse little girls there was simply not
enough men to go around in our religion we believe in not having sex until we
are married and how would prophet smith do so he being the leader people would
think all he said was lies. mary you may want to call it brainwashing but that
is not what the church is. also i am very disgusted at the fact that jeff used a
religion to justify what he did only a true pig could do that.
Good riddance to bad rubbish!!